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Kommentar von Zilir

Drops from Lady Deathwhisper 10man.

Since the procrate is 35% this is up basically as soon as the internal CD is off. Incredibly powerful with its 15 second duration and 45 internal.

Kommentar von nezapadooke

Anyone know what the proc is called?

Kommentar von 495386

Proc is called Icy Rage

Kommentar von 332134

This trinket is easily better than greatness. It has the same duration (15 seconds,) the same internal cooldown (45 seconds,) and a 35% proc rate, which is also the same as greatness if I remember correctly. 1100 AP is much better than 300 str/agi, and 131 crit is much better than 90ap/str. It is better pretty much in every way.

Basically, if you're using a greatness, this trinket will easily replace it.

Kommentar von Jaxor

WILSON! Illidan's been looking all over for you!

Kommentar von 499282

As of 3.3, here is a list of the trinkets for raiding Ret Paladins from best to worst according to current rawr modelling. Coming from a progression-focused ret, you should probably let Deathbringers will go to another class and continue praying for a DC/WS to drop.

Death Choice (H)
Whispering Skull (H)
Death Choice
Whispering Skull
Herkuml War Token (Frost Badges)
Deathbringer's Will (H)
Deathbringer's Will
Darkmoon:Greatness

Kommentar von 307435

Seems to be some Spinoff of Death's Choice. As usual the crit rating translates into half of Death's Choice's Attack Power Value and, most important, Blizz finally realized that AP does NOT translate into Strength 2:1. Instead they added a few more AP which compensates for example a Ret's otherwise AP loss due his 15% Str talent.
However, as bobbler already stated above, at least for a Ret, Death's Choice is superior to this.

Kommentar von Calibro

WFS >> DMC:G for kitties, just tested it on a dummy.
Proc of 15 seconds is awesome.

So it is for mutilate rogues i think.

Kommentar von 225109

Ret paladin perspective:
(I'm not a raiding ret, so forgive me if I'm totally off in comparing two trinkets -- DMC:G and WFS)

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DMC:G (str) - 90 * 1.15 * 1.1 * 2 = static 227.7 AP (proc - 300 str, 300 * 1.15 * 1.1 * 2 = 759 AP for 15sec. 45 ICD)

WFS - static 2.85% crit (proc - 1100 AP for 15sec. 45 ICD)
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For easy calculation let's say both trinkets will proc as soon as it's off ICD.
In 1min interval, both DMC:G and WFS will proc 2 times.
DMC:G -- 227.7 + 759 = 986.7 AP for 30 sec, 227.7 AP for 30 sec
WFS -- 1100 AP for 30 sec, +2.85% crit for 60 sec.

hmm...seems to me DMC:G is better than WFS because of static AP. 2.85% crit is just RNG.

Any thoughts?

edit: I should elaborate for those who does not yet see what I'm saying.
WFS - 2.85% crit, uptime 15/45 = 33.3%, 1100/3 = AVG 366.7 dps increase.
DMC:G - uptime 15/45 = 33.3%, 759/3 = 253, 253+227.7 = AVG 480.7 dps increase

And that's assuming both trinkets proc as soon as its off ICD. If it doesn't proc every ICD, DMC:G is even better as it has static AP increase.

Kommentar von 440671

I can confirm that this trinket, unlike most melee trinkets, will proc off DoT effects as well as melee hits, as suggested by "when you deal damage."

Kommentar von 317684

did not see any other comments on here about rogues, so let me chime in ... this is a better trinket for mutilate rogues than Deathbringer's Will even though it is a lower iLevel. Mutilate rogues do not gain much out of ArP that comes on DBW. That being said, the heroic version of this trinket is BiS for a mutilate rogue.

Contrary to this, DBW is certainly a great upgrade for combat rogues from any of the ToC trinkets, including Death's Choice / Verdict. DBW is a DOWNGRADE from Death' Choice / Verdict for mutilate, however.

Kommentar von 534544

I've just obtained this trinket from a guy for 10 k gold since i lost a roll to him. And i must say it was worth it, As a DK the crit comes nicely as unholy and the AP proc is up every time it's off the internal cd.

Kommentar von 258092

I think you may be overly concerned with the crit cap(the point at which, due to misses, glancing blows, and dodges/parries pre-empting critical strikes in the autoattack resolution process, your autoattack will no longer profit from increased critical strike rate) here, perhaps because you have been using any of Deathbringer's Will, Death's Choice(or the Alliance equivalent), Dark Matter, or Darkmoon Card: Greatness, agility version, all of which have procs which add significantly to melee critical rate. However, the other trinkets in serious contention for the title of number 1 enhancement shaman trinket this patch around(before considering upcoming heroic modes, at least) are Herkuml War Token, Tiny Abomination in a Jar, and, interestingly, Comet's Trail, none of which have such a proc. As such, this trinket is being considered without view to a proc closing a large portion of the gap between the shaman's raid buffed physical crit chance(self buffed as well, of course), and the crit cap. This being the case, there may well be room to profitably include a bit more static crit rating in your gear(such as that found on this trinket, presumably the element to which you were taking offense) without hitting the crit cap. If anything, the crit cap is a more effective argument against an enhancement shaman choosing to use Deathbringer's Will over the Whispering Fanged Skull, since not only is its static bonus of arpen lackluster for us, but it has the potential to waste crit from the agility proc when it coexists with Elemental Devastation.

And of course, Herkuml War Token being a badge-bought trinket, there isn't even a serious danger that someone would have to opt out of using the Whispering Fanged Skull because he was using one of the aforementioned unsuited partners. The Whispering Fanged Skull being the second best currently available trinket for an enhancement shaman, depending heavily on the rest of his gear, is certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

Edit: Added two more links to clarify all the agility-affecting raid buffs in case someone refers to these links when considering their personal critical rates.

Kommentar von 538487

Since no one mentioned anything about hunters, here's my 2 cents:

A Survival Hunter's dream.

Kommentar von 538630

For those who said this is better than Darkmoon Card Greatness for Ret Paladin...

Ok take it as it's a full raid with every buffed possible....25m

It doesn't take a genious to figure it this out, pls stay with me.

Whispering Skull gives you 131 Crit, and 1100 Attk Power Proc

Darkmoon card Greatness gives you 90str, and 300str=600attk power Proc

And we're aware that they have the same proc around 30%....

so it's 30% of 15 secs, so basically it procs abit more than once per minute..

but let us assume both of them procs 1 time in a minute... here we go:

Whispering Skull, with full raid buff (let's not include 10% attk power buff from either MM hunter and Enhance shaman, it don't really matter but let's forget about that)..Gives 131 Crit + 1100 Attk power for 1 minute.

Darkmoon card Greatness, with full raid buffs, 90str x .15% for ret paladins out there = 103. something, let's make it 104str...+ king buffs which is another 10%, so it's 115str.... + 300str Proc with buffs and ret paladin spec .15%+.10% = 25% so 25% of that is 75str so it's basicly is 375str + 115str = 490str=980 Attk power

Ok it might be confusing but the conclusion is, in 25m full raid buff(forget 10% attk power, it woudlnt' matter) and in 1 minute

Whispering skull gives 131 crit + 1100 attk power

Darkmoon card gives 115 (230attk power) + 490str(980 attk power) = 1210 attk power.....

So as a ret paladin if you want 131 crit and 1100 attk power go ahead... or with darkmoon card with 1210 attk power......well if you wanna add another 10% from Trueshot aura and Enhance shaman buff go ahead....i'll do it for you
1100attk power x .10= 110 +1100=1210attk power

and darkmoon card 1210 x .10=121, 121+1210= 1320attk power

131 crits and 1210 att power and 1320 attk power...

It's not much different in 25m content with full raid buffs....again it's for 25m Content with full raid buffs...

and if you're nto a ret paladin....maybe darkmoon card GREATNESS isn't great for you hehe....or you pvping without "king" buff as a ret paladin...If i made any mistake plz explain what i did wrong...ty

Kommentar von 534473

Comparing this to Death's Verdict/Choice for fury warriors (normal versions)
Assuming they have the same uptime the calculation is relatively simple:
DV = 450 x 1.2 (Imp. Berserker Stance) x 1.1 (BoK/BoS) x 2 = 1188 AP
WS = 1100 AP

So DV wins on the proc. However I would go with the skull as it gives a passive 3% crit or so which may be preferable to the 256 AP provided by DV.

For arms warriors:
DV = 450 x 1.04 (Strength of Arms) x 1.1 x 2 = 1029.6 AP
WS = 1100 AP

However arms may benefit more from the AP granted by DV than the crit granted by WS.

In conclusion the difference between the two trinkets for warriors is too small to be important. You are probably better off trying to get this trinket than Death's Choice as it is easier and faster to obtain. If you aren't trying to go for a soft ArP cap with NES or MR however, then going for them both would be wise.

Kommentar von LuthofDS

Anyone else reminded of Terminator by the icon?

Kommentar von 515885

Yup, looks very much like the terminator, with a bit missing from the side of his head.

Kommentar von Tremere1

I have downed this boss 16 times (seriously) and only seen this drop once, this is a mut rogue's dream. Its starting to irritate me.

Kommentar von 453115

TOP10 TRINKETS
<Fury Warrior>

BiS: Deathbringer's Will (H)
02: Deathbringer's Will
03: Whispering Fanged Skull (H)
04: Death's Verdict (H) / Death's Choice (H)
05: Whispering Fanged Skull*
06: Herkuml War Token
07: Death's Verdict / Death's Choice
08: Comet's Trail
09: Banner of Victory
10: Darkmoon Card: Greatness

NOTE! Every character has its own personal stats and that is why you can't look at this list as it would be always in this specific order.

Kommentar von dridzz

I'm currently using Death's Verdict (245) and Whispering Fanged Skull (251) on my SV Hunter. I have everything I need with Frost emblems.

Do you suggest getting Herkuml War Token and switching one of the currently equipped? I am in for max dps on Raid Bosses.

Thnx.

Kommentar von Felix79

I was shocked to find this trinket rated so badly for both Blood and Unholy DK's. This trinket is a nice item in both it's normal and heroic varients , and is very easy for most to get due to it being an ICC10 drop. Any melee dps just starting to do ICC should really be putting this on their want list as it is hard to beat for the realitive ease in which you can obtain. Also wipes the floor with any badge trinket.

Kommentar von 633819

Just got this today (251) for my pally, and I must say, I love it. However, I'm still rolling with Greatness card for my other slot, still. Lastly, I would like to ask a question: can you equip a normal trinket AND the heroic version of it at the same time? I understand the mechanics of unique-equipped, just wanted to clarify.

Thanks.

Kommentar von shawnhath

Please note, after some testing you can proc the trinket from taking damage alone. I had this proc multiple times from standing in slime pools in Naxxramas.

Kommentar von 123138

i just did lady deathwhisper and i wasnt even allowed to roll need on it something must be wrong here

Kommentar von 498472

Eisige Wut
Total procs...: 7
Total time.....: 5 min battle with Trainingsattrappe des Schlachtzuges
PPM:...........: 1.35
CD...............: 45 sec
Uptime.........: 34.08%

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