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Kommentar von Ansi

Dropped by Professor Putricide in Icecrown Citadel 25.

Kommentar von 235468

Aww cute, I want one :>

I'll make this guy my little avatar of war :D

Kommentar von 147759

Anyone else thinks "one of your melee weapons" sounds rather vague? I wonder if it could use that polearm I have in my bank somewhere...

Kommentar von 500055

Any news on whether the extra attack can proc poisons for rogues? If so, this has the potential to be very VERY good for mutilate.

While the standard melee hit from the proc would be affected by the 50% penalty, the poison proc would not.

Effectively, you would be getting an extra chance at a poison proc every 8 swings (this is probably an oversimplification).

There would need to be some research on what poison proc chance the extra swing uses, but whatever formula is used, I would imagine it would be good.

As instant poison makes up a very large portion of a mutilate rogue's damage, if this is truly as good as an "extra chance to proc poison every 8 swings", then you are looking at a 1/8th's increase in instant poison damage, which needless to say, is huge.

Edit: I just noticed the tooltip says, "your melee attacks have a CHANCE to". This changes the math slightly, but as long as the chance is constant per swing, this should still be quite good.

Edit 2: To the response that says the proc rate on this is normalized to PPM: don't be too sure. For this particular item, PPM does not make sense. If it were PPM, then a slow attacker would be proc'ing this just as much as a fast attacker. In this case, the slower attacker would be getting the actual extra attack just as often as well. However, the slower attacker's extra attack would be for much greater damage.

In short, this item already accounts for weapon speed by making the extra attack scale with your weapon damage. There is no reason for it to be normalized via PPM. If it is the case that this is PPM, then it is heavily bias towards slower weapons. I doubt this.

Kommentar von Mihir

http://elitistjerks.com/f81/t37462-warrior_dps_calculation_spreadsheet/#post987929
... 45% proc rate off hits, has yellow hit table but cannot use impale, and has a 50/50 chance to get either a MH or an OH proc.

Kommentar von hashmel

Would this not be superior for a cat seeing as it's a chance per hit rather than ppm and cats have the fastest attack speed in the game not to mention wielding a 2 hander that would have a damage range of 800~1,300? (about 1.5 times that of a rogue's MH and 2.5 times their OH)

Kommentar von 522947

It may be Good for Mutilate but vs it being in a Rets hands, it's Laughable.. This is by far and a way period the BIS trinket for a Ret vs a Rogue. Ej's Shows a Rogue dps increase of roughtly in the 424dps range and in a Rets in the 1000+ dps range.
http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t68951-retribution_updated_3_3_a/p69/#post1520870

Kommentar von 523429

BiS for retri. Why? Because extra attack procs Seal and also because retri stacks haste, unlike most of other dual wielders, which helps this proc more. And while the mele hit is penalized with 50%, Seal dmg isn’t. At this moment Rightues Vengance dot, SoV, Art of War proc the mote. Having two pieces of t10, which increase the ratio of mele strikes in the dmg list since divine storm is mele strike, lots of passive haste and big top weapon dmg for big extra hits increases retri dmg for over 1k, on trash even more. That’s way over any other class/spec increase.

Kommentar von 524481

Does anybody have any idea if this trinket would work or how it would work for a feral druid? I've read some stuff saying that it could be great for a druid, or wouldn't work. The reason I'm wondering is because a cat's attacks don't scale off weapon speed, and is a flat 1.00 second speed without any haste. Because of that, and when it does proc, would it hit for 50% of a druid's normal melee attack, or one worth 50% of their weapon damage?

Kommentar von eDGe87

Copy paste from a post on mmo-champ i hope will help you guys using this.

Last night I ran ~2 hours worth of testing on target dummies with this trinket. I also brought along a rogue from the guild and let him use it prior to the trinket becoming bound to me.

As others have said, TAJ requires you to be standing right on top of the target of the proc (less than 2 yds). While running tests, I found that many of our abilities can proc a mote. Judgement, DS, CS, auto, and seal damage can all grant a mote.

For AoE testing, I switched from single targeting the boss dummy to attacking the lvl 60 dummies with DS/SoComm. I found that a single DS with SoComm active can provide many motes in one single attack. With a 4stack of motes and hitting DS, I watched as my stack dropped after hitting 8 motes, then rebuilt back up to 2. Many times I saw single DS/SoComm attacks provide anywhere from 3-6 motes while standing in the middle of the 4 lvl 60 dummies.

The proc: It seems that the proc is directed at the target that granted you the 8th mote. While attacking those lowbie aoe dummies, I found that I was not getting the proc once I hit an 8 stack. The stack would reset and no damage proc went off regardless of how close I was standing to my primary target. In this case with 4 targets, you only proc the damage every ~3 stacks because it will likely gain the 8th mote from one of your splash damage targets.

I made one other observation that I found to be pretty cool. When auto-attacking the boss level dummy with Seal of Corruption active, I watched as the TAJ procs actually added Seal of Corruption damage. I could have expected this after hearing that the TAJ proc can also proc poisons for rogues.

The proc damage obviously varies based on your gear. For my tests, the proc damage was 1300-1700 non-crit and 2500-3700 crit. I ran numerous tests and didn't take any screens of them. Because so many abilities can proc a mote, my recount log showed the number of anger procs was very high in comparison to my melee attacks. Going all out with all damage attacks for a total of 200 melee attacks, I gained 119 damage procs from this trinket. So many different attacks contribute to this proc that it is dealing damage on basically every other auto-attack.

In single target testing, the proc comprised of 3.4% of my total damage. For my mutilate rogue guildmate, the proc was 1.3% of his damage. This doesn't factor in the bonus seal damage delivered from the proc or the poison procs for the rogue. His proc damage was 300-400 non-crit and 700-800 crit.

For clarification when i referenced the proc, I was referring to the damage dealing aspect of this trinket. For this post proc=/=gaining a mote.

Kommentar von 526099

Hi I got a question when the trinket proc what is the visual effect I mean do you see for example a little abomination that hit the target or is there just no effects thanks.

Kommentar von 526591

Does this trinket get motes off Bryntroll, The Bone Arbiter procs?

Kommentar von 504788

Motes of Anger can only be gained from white/yellow attacks now (no more poison+berserking procs).
The nerf makes it only slightly superior to Whispering Fanged Skull for Assassination Rogues.

Kommentar von 531486

http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t68951-retribution_updated_3_3_a/#Stats look how far down that list haste is for us. If you are gemming anything BUT 20 str gems of 10 crit/10 str gems, you need to find another class/spec to play. kkthnxbai. but yeah, i'm still not convinced this trinket is better than Death's Choice/Whispering Fanged Skull combo... need to look at some more posts/math for it.

Kommentar von 25717

I am an Enhance shaman,and i just got , and it only proc in 0~3 yards :(
I made a movie as below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N9M6AW1f1c
BZ:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22748956661&sid=1

Kommentar von 316082

Any feral testing done on this?

Kommentar von 357855

Am I the only person who wants a Tiny Abomination to spawn after 7 Motes of Anger, how..... cute?

Kommentar von Spotnick

Clearly best-in-slot trinket for retribution paladins. This is about 3.5% to 4% of your overall damage. Procs off seals, so you get tons of motes.

Kommentar von dragonlordged

Wondering if any enh shaman's done a live test with this to determine if it procs off of SS, WW, or LL as well as melee attacks and whether it procs WW and MW itself (my guess is it would).

Kommentar von 495744

for all u ferals wondering if it something 2 have or not... DONT it only acc to RAWR a stunning 112dps compared to Deaths choice with 447.

havent tried it out personally but since RAWR never lies i wouldnt take it

Kommentar von Odessa

I saw a comment saying that this now works properly so does that mean i no longer have to worry about being stood right on top of a boss to actually benefit from the proc? Also is it still bugged so that if the final mote doesn't come from your primary target the proc is wasted?

Kommentar von 307435

so now we know that this is the shiat for ret pve. but what about pvp? so far my research hasn't produced any useful results. what do you guys think? is it worth throwing away Death's Choice for this one? if possible, give a source. i would appreciate this very much.

Kommentar von 451079

This trinket + Shadowmourne's instant attacks from motes would make for some epic PvP burst.

Kommentar von 534473

If it's only accounting for 3 to 4% of your dps, it's a very poor trinket. Something like the whispering fanged skull probably gives me around a 5 or 6% boost at the most as a warrior, and it's better itemized. Although the hit rating on this could be useful, it actually has a lot less hit rating on it than it should have (when comparing it to stats on other trinkets of around the same level).

Kommentar von 106939

Anyone has a clue if this trinket is good for PROTRET PVP (protribution)?

Using DMC Greatness + DV normal atm.. Worth replacing any of these in that spec?

Thanks

Kommentar von 159606

Seems like the melee version of Reign of the Dead, you know, just better.

Also seems like a 2.0 of Romulo's Poison Vial.

Kommentar von rogueyay

this is INCREDIBLY pointless for combat rogues...the guy that said this is NOT for mutilate, definitely needs to delete his rogue and do a favour to other rogues (no offence).
This is a BiS for mutilate rogues (non heroic) the hit is not only useful because mutilate rogues lack quite a bit of hit,
and because mutilate does alot more poison damage due to haste, it will help alot for energy/poison proccs, most wont be getting it for the 50% weapon damage, but for the other bonuses it gives, combat rogues would be better off with
Deathbringer's Will and whispering fanged skull / Death's verdict heroic.

Kommentar von 214933

Must be a gnome dk inside.

Kommentar von 436474

Ret Pallys Like This XD

Kommentar von Chaserbl

Ok let's put some words here, since the last night I got my Tiny abo in a jar, which is first drop since Putricide exists, my guild is farming ICC25 and several HM, and yet we had no drops of it since the last night. I am proud to say I am first ret with it, but now let's cut to the chase.
Trinket is
Perversion
Example
Blood queen fight ~6mins I had 48 procs of it
Sindragosa 56 procs
Lich King 76 (reason why it's low it's because of stop dps phase on transition etc)
this trinket
is BY FAR best and it will be very hard to be replaced in Cataclysm I guess, or if blizz makes something like this copy paste trinket with extra swing.
Example, in aoe parts, from divine storm you can get 4-6 motes, single target using one ability can grant u up to 3 motes which is really, REALLY sick.
Retribution paladin prio, since they benefit from it 200% unlike other classes just because of seal proc damage which is hitting for 100% of it's value.
Chase out

Kommentar von 580737

for the people still wanting more info for retribution:

This trinket has a 50% chance to proc from:

Melee hits
yellow attacks
Seal of vengeance dmg
Refreshing Righteous Vengeance (dot)
Holy Vengeance (dot) not sure.

it does however not proc from Command itself.

The result is a 50% weapon dmg (physical) that will proc your seal at full dmg.

Selfbuff over a 15min fight on a dummy, the physical dmg of the trinket gave me around 4% total dmg, and another 4 to 5% from the seals procs, totalling around 8 to 9% of my total dps.

This trinket will benefit from every raid buff, the more haste, the more white attacks can proc, the more AP the more the 50% weapon dmg will hit and so will the seal at the same time.

Good luck to those out there waiting for this trinket.

Kommentar von 495744

been trying this as feral and the results are the same. around 1,0-1,8% of total damage, better get something else

here is one link from failed LK attempt
http://img705.imageshack.us/i/wowscrnshot051010223145.jpg/

Kommentar von mugkatte

Does it work for feral druids? if so I want one :)

Kommentar von 598028

just got this last week. for a ret pally, getting to 8 motes is very fast. and it crits. with Bryntroll, somewhere in the area of 3k-4k

Kommentar von 597408

hmmm.. a thought crossed my mind.

speaking from ferals point of view.... do you get this 'instant attack with one of your melee weapons'
with your actual equiped weapon .. or just one with yer good ol' paw?

what about Enchant Weapon - Berserking?

Kommentar von Rheider

Any frost dk,that have gotten their hands on this one,that can say how useful it is?

Kommentar von SinSorel

So I need to ask as an Enh Shaman in mostly 251s would this trinket be viable for proccing Maelstrom and all that? I've heard from a friend who raids in a top end guild that their Enh Shaman uses it and is also topping meters. Any answers to that?

Kommentar von laert

does anybody tried it on a kitty?

Kommentar von Quaglia

As of patch 3.3.3 for an Enh Shaman this trinket is incredible, even better then what Enh Sim shows. In fact, in all runs I did with it, Manifest Anger on main and off hand accounted alone for 2-2.3% of my overall DPS. The simulator, after more then 100K hours of different sessions estimated the damage for Manifest Anger at around 1.4% for my current gear (mainly lvl 264/277 items), and still the simulator estimated it as a better trinket vs. heroic WFS for me. Maybe there is something wrong in Enh Sim code on what can proc Manifest anger. Of course, also Rawr at the present time understimates it, since there is nothing defined for the proc effect.
With 2 lvl 277 weapons this beauty is amazing. I hope to put my hands soon on the HC version.

Ah, and I don't know if anybody already mentioned it, but motes of anger are NOT consumed while you are not in combat.

Kommentar von ApocalypseAP

I've been testing this trinket out for about an hour and it seems they fixed the range problem. I can be completely out of melee range using Divine Storm without a target and Manifest Anger will still hit.
Using Seal of Command with Divine Storm procs the Seal on whichever mob Manifest Anger procs.
As a retribution paladin behind a level 83 training dummy with no buffs, Cryptmaker at 3.07 weapon speed and 4-piece T10 with Seal of Vengeance, this averages about 7.5% of my overall dps (including seal damage).

Kommentar von 257634

Is this any good for arms warriors? must be 1/2 decent for fury i guess cause duel weilding and lots of hits/procs

Kommentar von Greatbrae

Is this any good for Unholy haste spec DK's?

Kommentar von 131549

This trinket is still viable for Mutilate Rogues. It procs with Fan of Knives too, and with good melee weapons and the proper amount of haste, it provides a welcome dps boost.

Additonally, the Motes of Anger don't reset when you kill a mob, and they don't appear to have a timer, so you can target the next mob and your previous motes will still count on the new mob!

Kommentar von 285102

Is this any good for dual wield frost DKs?

Kommentar von Gnarzz

Anyone seen the epic - "Sold By"?
Sold by Flatland cougar for 45G 57S 60C

Kommentar von 301179

I just ran a quick test on a training dummy with my *2H* Frost spec'd DK using a heroic Bryntroll as my weapon. My haste is at soft cap, a little over 900 and my attack speed is 1.7 sec. The trinket procked a total of 12 times in 5 minutes and accounted for 0.9% of my overall dps. This is not an exhaustive test by any means, just a quick run so your milage may vary.

Kommentar von warheal80

Since this trinket is percent based wouldn't this be not a bad trinket in cata too?

Kommentar von 449096

Is it possible to wield bot this and th hc vertion at th same time?

Kommentar von Vereesa

I was unable to accumulate Motes of Anger on my level 85 Frost Death Knight.

Kommentar von 997333

my undead DK needs this, she already has a ghoul and a tiny lich, but a cute little abomination would complete her cute scourge army <3

Kommentar von Sixbones

At level 50 (after the Shadownlands level squish) it doesn't seem to accumulate Motes on a Feral Druid after looting it from the pre-patch Putricide boss, one of the rares that spawn during the event. Even though you gain it as personal loot for that specialisation.

EDIT: Seems to generate a mote now 19th november, at start of phase 2 of the pre-event.

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