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Kommentar von 627305

I'd guess it'd be the next tier of the Seals of Tempered Fate. The means of obtaining it are unknown but may be related to Tanaan Jungle.

Kommentar von Joe1113

Anyone else thinking of Team America? Inebitable...

Kommentar von Dogey

New Hellfire Citadel Bonus Roll,

Kommentar von GrayGooGirl

This seals in your inevitable fate to get 45g when you really need an item.

Kommentar von Sentro

This is the upcoming bonus roll coin for Hellfire Citadel and the worldboss Supreme Lord Kazzak. It works in the same manner as all the bonus rolls before.

You may obtain these seals by visiting your capital in Ashran where Fate-Twister Seress (A) / Fate-Twister Tiklal (H) offer them in exchange for Gold, Honor, Garrison Ressources or Apexis Crystals, up to three per week. The old Seal of Tempered Fate has its weekly cap removed and can be bought with gold.
One other source of this seal is a weekly quest which requires to do five Timewalker dungeons and awarding one Seal of Inevitable Fate.

Kommentar von 97210

Will we still be able to get these from the level 3 War Mill? If not, it's time to scrap that building for something useful.

Kommentar von Nynaeve

This is the Höllenfeuerzitadelle and Oberster Verdammnislord Kazzak bonus roll item, the new tier's Siegel des geschmiedeten Schicksals.

These are purchasable (weekly) via a handful of different means:

Garrison Resources:
1000 Schicksal besiegeln: Garnisonsressourcen
2000 Schicksal besiegeln: Eingelagerte Garnisonsressourcen
4000 Schicksal besiegeln: Enorme Garnisonsressourcen

Honor Points:
~~50,000 (was~~ 500) Schicksal besiegeln: Ehre *
~~100,000 (was~~ 1000) Schicksal besiegeln: Erweiterte Ehre *
~~200,000 (was~~ 2000) Schicksal besiegeln: Monumentale Ehre *

Apexis Crystals:
500 Schicksal besiegeln: Apexiskristalle
1000 Schicksal besiegeln: Apexiskristallhaufen
2000 Schicksal besiegeln: Apexiskristallberg

Gold:
500 Schicksal besiegeln: Gold
1000 Schicksal besiegeln: Haufen von Goldmünzen
2000 Schicksal besiegeln: Immenses Vermögen in Gold

They are also rewarded from a few Timewalking (weekly) quests:

Burning Crusade:
5 dungeons Ein brennender Pfad durch die Zeit

Wrath of the Lich King:
5 dungeons Ein gefrorener Weg durch die Zeit

Cataclysm:
5 dungeons Ein verwüsteter Pfad durch die Zeit

There will be other ways to receive them:

Garrison Building:
These will also be available weekly via a level three Zwergenbunker / Kriegswerkstatt Stufe 3.

These may also be a reward from (rare) Garrison Follower or Shipyard missions, but if so, I've not yet found them.

~~1. Can only hope these changes are a tooltip error.~~

Kommentar von Nozickii

All my stacked seals!... (ʘᗩʘ’)

Kommentar von Eillesthis

This is also the bonus roll currency for the new Mythic dungeons.

Kommentar von Altruin

To find out how many seals you already aquired this week run the following macro.
It will also count the seal you can get from your Kriegswerkstatt, Stufe 3.

/run local c=0; for i,q in ipairs({36054,36055,36056,36057,36058,36060,37453,37452,37454,37455,37456,37457,37458,37459}) do if (IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(q)) then c=c+1 end end print(format("Seals: %d", c))

Kommentar von kabookiejoe

You can switch your specialization from your main spec to off-spec before you use the bonus roll(when combat has ended). You can use this method on bosses you already have gotten loot on your main spec, to work on your off spec.

Kommentar von 880688

Does this seal work the same as other world boss's? If you killed them once and used a seal, can use another seal in the same week. Much like raid instances work, and also does it work for mythic dungeons? like I stated, talking more on alts that don't plan on raiding exactly quite yet.

Kommentar von Flariana

Pay 500g or 1k Garrison resourses for a whopping 30ish gold.

Sometimes this bugs out and gives you loot though.

Bitterness aside, I love the idea but the chance to get gold seems to be extreme... but then my rng skills aren't usually amazing so... you know ;P

I'd not mind if it at least was 100+ so i get -something- back for the 500g/500 apexis etc. I still lose but, at least it'd not sting as much as 35 gold.

Kommentar von Dilph

The drop chance rate for these thing is utter crap Blizz !

Kommentar von Dilph

These are utter Rubbish Blizz the drop chance is Mean. It's all about the money eh Blizz

Kommentar von mychatposts

Hi. Just for anyone doing this for the first time: Schicksalsflechter Seress doesn't tell you exactly what you are buying, but he does automatically sell you the upgraded Seal of Inevitable Fate when you buy from him. No, you don't have to complete a special quest or anything. For about 5 minutes, I was scratching my head wondering if I should spend on him because I thought he would just sell me Seals of Tempered Fate. It was a little unclear because I had never done it before. There is an option to buy the Seals of Tempered Fate listed in the trade window if you need those.

Kommentar von jjanchan

***LEGION UPDATE: The new bonus roll currency for Legion launch is Siegel des verheerten Schicksals. Also, Legion will increase the cap for Siegel des unausweichlichen Schicksals from 10 to 20. This has preemptively been updated below.***

This is one of the extra roll currencies that were first introduced in Mists of Pandaria. It allows you to roll (at a cost of 1 currency per roll) for an extra chance at loot on certain world, raid or dungeon bosses.

This extra loot is granted directly to the person rolling and is not part of the group/party's loot for that boss. The majority of the time the roll does not yield loot - when this is the case, gold is granted instead. Certain currencies also can grant pets or mounts as part of the bonus loot - this will vary depending on boss (a list of mounts and pets you can bonus roll for is listed later in this comment).

There is protection for bad luck on bonus rolls. As per a blue post:

Whenever you use a bonus roll and you don’t get any loot, your chance of getting loot on the next roll will increase. This increased probability won’t be reset until some loot is awarded, and this is independent of the boss that is being killed.
The bad luck streak protection will carry over and continue to increase the probability from boss to boss and instance to instance and won't reset until you get some loot.

For all currencies, World Bosses will only allow a single roll a week. This can be on any kill - if you kill a boss more than once and pass on rolling the first time, you will still have the option of doing so on a subsequent kill that week.
For most currencies you can kill bosses in a single or multiple lockouts/difficulties (kill a boss on both Heroic and Normal, or a Heroic boss twice) to also get a bonus roll chance EACH time. For example, you can kill Gruul on Heroic difficulty twice, and while you will be able to get loot directly from the boss only once, you can bonus roll both times for extra chances at loot.
The above is NOT true for Mythic raids however - those lockouts prevent you from doing multiple bosses in one week.

The currencies listed can be found on the currency tab in your character screen. Below is a table summarizing the currency types, including sources for each.
NOTE: NPC locations can be seen on a by mousing over the zone name in the "Source" column.

Legion
Currency	Source	Eligible Raids/Bosses	Cap
Siegel des verheerten Schicksals	Obtainable (maximum 3 per week) from Erzmagier Lan'dalock (Dalaran - Legion) for various currencies, as below.	1st	2nd	3rd
Gold	1000	2000	4000
Order Resources	1000	2000	4000

Warlords of Draenor
Currency	Source	Eligible Raids/Bosses	Cap
Siegel des geschmiedeten Schicksals	A) Sold by vendors: Dämmerungssucher Krisek (Tanaan Jungle) - 240-300g* Rabensprecher Thelnaas (Tanaan Jungle) - 240-300g* Schicksalsflechter Seress (Stormshield) - 300g Schicksalsflechter Tiklal (Warspear) - 300g *NOTE - Cost from vendors in Tanaan vary with reputation level with Orden der Erwachten, with lowest cost being 240g at Exalted reputation. B) Obtained from garrison missions: Drov der Verheerer Rukhmar	Hochfels Schwarzfelsgießerei Draenor World Bosses: Drov der Verheerer Tarlna der Zeitlose Rukhmar	20
Siegel des unausweichlichen Schicksals	A) One per week can be obtained from Zwergenbunker / Kriegswerkstatt Stufe 3 in your garrison. Speak to Grun'lek (H)/Kristen Steinschmiede (A) to obtain your weekly seal. *NOTE - This seal counts as 1 of the maximum 3 seals you can obtain per week. B) Obtainable (maximum 3 per week) from Schicksalsflechter Tiklal (Warspear)/Schicksalsflechter Seress (Stormshield) for various currencies, as below.	1st	2nd	3rd
Gold	500	1000	2000
Garrison Resources	1000	2000	4000
Apexis Crystals	500	1000	2000

*NOTE - If you already obtained 1 from your Zwergenbunker / Kriegswerkstatt Stufe 3, only 2 more can be obtained for currency that week.

C) One seal obtainable for completing the Timewalking Bonus Event quest Ein brennender Pfad durch die Zeit (during Burning Crusade Timewalking, Ein gefrorener Weg durch die Zeit (during Wrath of the Lich King Timewalking) or Ein verwüsteter Pfad durch die Zeit (during Cataclysm Timewalking). The seals are in addition to the 3 seals per week otherwise obtainable.

Höllenfeuerzitadelle
Tanaan Jungle World Boss:
Oberster Verdammnislord Kazzak
Mythic Dungeons

Mists of Pandaria
Currency	Source	Eligible Raids/Bosses	Cap
Ehrwürdiges Amulett des Glücks	A) Sold by Kommandant Lo Ping in Townlong Steppes for the cost of 20 Geringes Amulett des Glücks each. Use the following macro to purchase them quickly and easily: /run BuyMerchantItem(1,1) B) Dropped by various rare spawns and summoned mobs on the Isle of Thunder.	Mogu'shangewölbe Das Herz der Angst Terrasse des Endlosen Frühlings Pandaria World Bosses: Galleon Sha des Zorns	20
Schicksalsrune der Mogu	Sold by Nebelwirkerin Ai on the Timeless Isle for the cost of 1000 Zeitlose Münze each.	Der Thron des Donners Isle of Thunder World Boss: Nalak Isle of Giants World Boss: Oondasta	20
Kriegsemblem	Weekly quest which grants 3 seals for the cost of 50 Geringes Amulett des Glücks total. Kriegsembleme, available from Ältester Liao, ground floor in Shrine of the Two Moons Kriegsembleme, available from Älteste Lin, ground floor of Shrine of the Seven Stars	Schlacht um Orgrimmar Timeless Isle World Bosses: Chi-Ji Xuen Yu'lon Niuzao Ordos	20

Below I have compiled some data on pets, mounts and other drops from bosses (both World and Raid bosses).
The "Bonus Roll" column notes whether the item in question is obtainable from a bonus roll (note that you can USE a bonus roll on all bosses, but you will not necessarily be able to get certain pets and mounts on the bonus roll).
NOTE: World Boss locations can be seen on a by mousing over the zone name in the "Source" column.

MOUNTS
Mount	Source	Bonus Roll Mount	Currency
Zügel der astralen Wolkenschlange	Elegon Raid Boss Mogu'shangewölbe Normal, Heroic	No	-
Sattel des Sohnes von Galleon	Galleon World Boss Valley of the Four Winds	Yes	Ehrwürdiges Amulett des Glücks
Zügel der himmlischen Onyxwolkenschlange	Sha des Zorns World Boss Kun-Lai Summit	Yes	Ehrwürdiges Amulett des Glücks
Ausgeburt von Horridon	Horridon Raid Boss Der Thron des Donners Normal, Heroic	No	-
Kralle von Ji-Kun	Ji-Kun Raid Boss Der Thron des Donners Normal, Heroic	No	-
Zügel der donnernden Kobaltwolkenschlange	Nalak World Boss Isle of Thunder	Yes	Schicksalsrune der Mogu
Zügel des kobaltblauen Urterrorhorns	Oondasta World Boss Isle of Giants	Yes	Schicksalsrune der Mogu
Koloss der Kor'kron	Garrosh Höllschrei Raid Boss Schlacht um Orgrimmar Mythic	No	-
Eisenhufzerstörer	Schwarzfaust Raid Boss Schwarzfelsgießerei Mythic	No	-
Sonnenfalke der Spitzen	Rukhmar World Boss Spires of Arak	No	-
Teufelsstahlvernichter	Archimonde Raid Boss Höllenfeuerzitadelle Mythic	No	-
Lebender Höllenkern	Gul'dan Raid Boss Die Nachtfestung Normal, Heroic, Mythic	No	-
Dämonischer Höllenfeuerkern	Gul'dan Raid Boss Die Nachtfestung Mythic	No	-

PETS
Pet	Source	Bonus Roll Pet	Currency
Drop: Winziges Terrorhorn Pet: Winziges Terrorhorn	Horridon Raid Boss Der Thron des Donners LFR, Normal, Heroic	Yes	Schicksalsrune der Mogu
Drop: Lebendiger Sandling Pet: Lebendiger Sandling	Council of Elders Raid Boss Der Thron des Donners LFR	Yes*	Schicksalsrune der Mogu *NOTE: In Normal or Heroic mode, this drops from Sandelementar trash mobs and cannot be bonus rolled.
Drop: Küken von Ji-Kun Pet: Küken von Ji-Kun	Ji-Kun Raid Boss Der Thron des Donners LFR, Normal, Heroic	Yes	Schicksalsrune der Mogu
Drop: Wabernder Klumpen Pet: Lebendige Flüssigkeit	Primordius Raid Boss Der Thron des Donners ONLY LFR	Yes	Schicksalsrune der Mogu
Drop: Dunkler wabernder Klumpen Pet: Zähflüssiger Horror	Primordius Raid Boss Der Thron des Donners ONLY Normal and Heroic	No	-
Drop: Sohn des Animus Pet: Sohn des Animus	Dunkler Animus Raid Boss Der Thron des Donners LFR, Normal, Heroic	Yes	Schicksalsrune der Mogu
Drop: Glibbriges kleines Sha Pet: Glibbriges kleines Sha	Sha des Stolzes Raid Boss Schlacht um Orgrimmar ONLY LFR and Normal	Yes	Kriegsemblem
Drop: Tröpfchen von Y'Shaarj Pet: Tröpfchen von Y'Shaarj	Sha des Stolzes Raid Boss Schlacht um Orgrimmar ONLY Normal, Heroic and Mythic	Yes	Kriegsemblem
Drop: Rußschmieds Bömbchen Pet: Rußschmieds Bömbchen	Belagerungsingenieur Rußschmied Raid Boss Schlacht um Orgrimmar LFR, Normal, Heroic, Mythic	Yes	Kriegsemblem
Drop: Kovok Pet: Kovok	Paragons of the Klaxxi Raid Boss Schlacht um Orgrimmar LFR, Normal, Heroic, Mythic	Yes	Kriegsemblem
Drop: Verderbter Nestwächter Pet: Verderbter Nestwächter	Schattenfürst Iskar Raid Boss Höllenfeuerzitadelle LFR, Normal, Heroic, Mythic	Yes	Siegel des unausweichlichen Schicksals

MISCELLANEOUS
Drop	Source	Bonus Roll	Currency
Schamanenschatz der Kor'kron (contains Kor'kron Dark Shaman Armor)	Kor'kron Dark Shaman Raid Boss Schlacht um Orgrimmar Normal, Heroic, Mythic ONLY drops for Shamans	No	-

Kommentar von mosstone

"Inevitable" my arse

Kommentar von CynicalBear

Currently on Live (7.0.3) the Schicksal besiegeln: Garnisonsressourcen quest (buy a seal for garrison resources) has "(ignored)" after it. If you complete this quest first and then buy the other 2 seals for e.g Apexis, then you can buy 1 more seal per day for 1000 garrison resources. Make sure not to buy the additional seals for something other than resources as it can bug out.

On the first day i bough (in this order) 1 for resources and 2 for apexis. Now every day i buy 1 more seal for resources. This probably is not intended but works for now.

UPDATE: This is still working and I can buy 1 seal every 15 min (if im logged out from the char, sometimes need to be completly logged out). The cost is kept at 1000 resources.

Kommentar von hjp426

Really wish they'd allow up to 20 of these, instead of obtaining three per week, I think we've saved up enough Apexis Shards by now...

(Edited for clarity)

Kommentar von CCow

As of 9.2.5 we can carry up to 20 of these, but are unfortunately still only able to obtain three from the NPC.
Let's hope they give us a way to buy any amount we wish with Dragonflight! :)

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Acquiring Seal of Inevitable Fate for Bonus Rolls Guide to Farming and Spending Garrison Resources in Warlords of Draenor Guide to Timewalking Holidays and Rewards Guide to Weekly Bonus Events Mana-Tombs (Timewalking) Dungeon Strategy Guide The Arcatraz (Timewalking) Dungeon Strategy Guide The Shattered Halls (Timewalking) Dungeon Strategy Guide The Slave Pens (Timewalking) Dungeon Strategy Guide

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