Kommentare

Kommentar von Milandas

Das Umdrehen der Karte der Omen erzeugt zufällig eine der folgenden Karten des Blutes

Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes

Kommentar von DamienMythos

Habe heute 1340 Karte der Omen hergestellt und habe folgende Dropchancen gehabt:

237 - Karte des Blutes 17,69%
227 - Karte des Blutes 16,94%
248 - Karte des Blutes 18,51%
207 - Karte des Blutes 15,45%
169 - Karte des Blutes 12,61%
118 - Karte des Blutes 8,81%
38 - Karte des Blutes 2,84%
43 - Karte des Blutes 3,21%
22 - Karte des Blutes 1,64%
13 - Karte des Blutes 0,97%
9 - Karte des Blutes 0,67%
9 - Karte des Blutes 0,67%
0 - Karte des Blutes 0,00%
0 - Karte des Blutes 0,00%
0 - Karte des Blutes 0,00%

wer Rundungsfehler findet dart sie behalten :)

Kommentar von Sphinxfall

Hab auch eben 400 Karten geöffnet, hatte am Ende auch nur iwas mit 330 Gold raus :/

Kommentare

Kommentar von Darkestdion

This will mostly be like the WoD's version of Mysterious Fortune Card from Cataclysm.

Kommentar von Bferts

Card of omens, give me luck beyond luck!

Kommentar von Leronroll

Hopefully these will not remain bind on pickup, or my gambling ring is going to be shut down = (

Kommentar von Milandas

Flipping Karte der Omen will create one of the following Blood Cards

Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes

Kommentar von Ragnarrokk

These are now BOP so they can not be sold or traded to other players, So they can be resold to a vendor after a server transfer to skip the gold cap on server transfers.

Kommentar von casonator

No one has said it so I'm just going to. Don't waste your mats on this. Rolled 20 cards, I got 3 green and the rest white. Rerolled the greens, got one green, two white. Rerolled the 20g green into a 1g white card. Great success!

Kommentar von Black2u

This is the biggest waste of mats and utterly disappointing. I wouldn't bother folks unless you just like wasting your mats..LOL

Kommentar von globby

/run local c,i,n,v=0;for b=0,4 do for s=1,GetContainerNumSlots(b)do i={GetContainerItemInfo(b,s)}n=iif n and string.find(n,"Blood Card")then v={GetItemInfo(n)}q=ic=c+v*q;UseContainerItem(b,s)print(n,q)end;end;end;print(GetCoinText(c))

Sells all Blood Cards and provides a report of what was sold.

Kommentar von corners

Spend 5 more Kriegsbemalung and make a Dunkelmond-Karte von Draenor instead.

Kommentar von corners

*Beware

This is straight up gambling.

Kommentar von xREITYD

I've made 140 of them, got 2x 50g Blue, 11x Green and the rest White. I've enjoyed gambling in the past, this made me quit.

Kommentar von sivla

I just don't think making eithe the staves or wands very practicable. On the other hand, you may be on top of the RNG and roll 2 or 3 6000g cards, however it's really unlikely, and you will likely go through hundreds of them.Never the less, aside from making the glyphs which are easy, flipping the cards, seems to be well worth the time and effort, which with multiple alts grabbing herbs all over the place, and the ease of making these cards with warpaints..i can only see a win win scenario, since it's only cost you little time and no outlay

Kommentar von corners

Getting a green blood card is like winning another free lottery ticket, you know your doomed and didnt win anything.

Kommentar von Stormeey

I guess the benefit of these existing is that eventually (as in all expacs) the DMF trinkets slowly become less desirable and at least you can keep making stuff.

I rather miss the fortune cookie food. You got a very decent buff AND a chance at a money card at the same time. BIG mistake to take these out of game. I missed them whole last expac too.

BLIZZ>>>>>> PLEASE BRING THEM BACK ! (updated for WoD of course !)

Takes the sting out of gambling ! At least I am well fed too !

Kommentar von lankybrit

With what I've found so far, the average for each Card of Omens return works out at a about 1g each. you can get more, or get less, but this is about the average. So, you're converting 5 War Paints and 10 Light Parchment to about 10g. So each War Paint is worth about 2g each here. Not a bad use for Herbs, but not great.

Kommentar von Diphenamine

I created 300 Karte der Omen: 3x 100g Karte des Blutes, 17x Karte des Blutes, of which 1 turned into a Karte des Blutes. Rest grey, no epic card(s).

A total of 421 Gold, 90 Silver, 58 Copper!

Kommentar von 1421633

Feeling pretty lucky...I hadn't been making any of these until last night when I was bored and decided to try my luck. Got the 6k epic card in the second stack of 10 that I made!

Kommentar von lanchop

i used 95 paints on this today, made approx 800g. not worth it

Kommentar von Navystylz

Biggest piece of crap waste in this game. DO NOT MAKE THESE EXCEPT TO LEVEL SKILL. RNG is RNG, but you don't even get the stupid uncommon greens. More less blue. I feel like you have more luck getting Invincible Rein's to drop than anything of value here. This is just beyond ridiculous. The cost of mats, a CD no less, nets you nothing. JCs get a free 300g a day for nothing. Scribes... ha!

Kommentar von Alcest

I'm extremely disappointed these aren't like the Cata version where you could sell them to others.

Kommentar von Neekoras

As of 1/7/2015 I have created roughly 800 of these Card of Omens and have not "flipped" any of those cards that had a value over 50g. It IS a gamble, I am aware. The RNG I had back in Cataclysm while "turning over" Mysterious Fortune Card was much better. To those of you who have actually flipped the 6k card, congratulations. From my perspective I do think from this point on that it would be more valuable to create the Darkmoon Cards or the weapon / trinket upgrade. That is all. Good day, may your adventures be epic, unlike my luck with these cards :)

~Nick

Kommentar von DomGF

Could not resist, I made 680 of these, for a total of 7700, had only one purple, felt good to gamble spam these :P

Kommentar von Mormolyce

Basically, this will make it so war paints aren't completely worthless in the future when the bottom drops out of the market.

Kommentar von nytetears

I made 50 of these

14 -1 copper card
6 -10 silver card
18 - 50 silver cards
9 -1 gold card
1 -5 gold card
1-100 gold card (blue)
1-1000 gold card (purple)

Kommentar von 1398064

I just made 4 stacks of 10 and got a 6k card from a green flip. I made 10 more because I needed 10 more points to level and total was ~6400. I got lucky but I loved the fortune cookies and gambling :)

Kommentar von 879199

Instead of making these cards which people say are not worth the matts, why dont u change the Warbinders Ink for Blackfallow Ink at the Inscription Trainer and make a @#$%load of Mysterious Fortune Card? The odds are much better and 1 ink for 1 card

Thats what I do, buy stacks of 200 herbs for 250g per stack, mill em, make inks, change them for Blackfallow Ink and trust me, ur laughing. U can beat RNG when u make enough, I been doing it for years

If you literally clean out AH of herbs, spending like 30-40k u'll easily get back 80k odd in 5k cards..... trust me, just a bit time consuming

Kommentar von Felross

I made 490 of these cards I got 2 epics, 6 rares, 34 uncommons and 448 commons. To give you an idea of chances

Kommentar von Meowfy

Not knowing what they were I made 10 of these, here's the results:

1 - 1g
3 - 1g50s
3 - 3g
1 - 10g
1 - 20g
1 - 6,000g

Wow! Not sure if I'm lucky or the RNG is a lot better than the previous cards. Either way, I think in terms of mats, the previous cards are a lot more cost efficient.

Kommentar von 1388382

Hello everyone, today i flipped 2100 Karte der Omen to get some statistics about his drop percentage. And the results are:

Karte des Blutes x1 .................. 1/2100 = 0.0476%
Karte des Blutes x7 .................. 7/2100 = 0.33%
Karte des Blutes x16 ................ 16/2100 = 0.76%
Karte des Blutes x20 ................ 20/2100 = 0.95%
Karte des Blutes x40 ................ 40/2100 = 1.9%
Karte des Blutes x61 ................ 61/2100 = 2.9%
Karte des Blutes x51 ................ 51/2100 = 2.4%
Karte des Blutes x153 .............. 153/2100 = 7.3%
Karte des Blutes x258 .............. 258/2100 = 12.29%
Karte des Blutes x350 .............. 350/2100 = 16.66%
Karte des Blutes x370 .............. 370/2100 = 17.62%
Karte des Blutes x376 .............. 376/2100 = 17.91%
Karte des Blutes x397 .............. 397/2100 = 18.91%

Average sales of each Karte der Omen is 2 gold 22 silver (nobody likes copper) , selling them to the vendor.

And a total of 4.668 gold 63 silver and 97 copper for selling it (resources not included).

Conclusions: Do NOT waste resources and time making this cards. And Blizzard... i hate your fortune cards.

I will upload the "research video" soon, have a good day.

Kommentar von Wiani

Most of the posts here say not to waste your time and mats. So why are these a waste of time when the mats are free? Herbs from garden are free, which you use to make ink which again is free. So where is the loss?

Kommentar von Naextec

Found 550 of these on the AH today for 2.5g each and decided to have some fun.

Cost: 550 x 2.5g/each = 1375g
Profit: 5452g 10s 86c

Karte des Blutes x 1
Karte des Blutes x 1
Karte des Blutes x 3
Karte des Blutes x 6
Karte des Blutes x 10
Karte des Blutes x 23
Karte des Blutes x 137
Karte des Blutes x 192
Karte des Blutes x 91
Karte des Blutes x 86

If you're looking to do this for profit I wouldn't do it. Had I not hit an epic card I would not have made a profit and would have lost ~550g on the deal. Good luck!

Kommentar von 1483981

YEah i can say i spent awhile making these and then opening them all and i had 600ish and i barely got 1k. here the vid of my opening them. ENJOY!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SzADADeSP8

Kommentar von Amallah

The Heart of the Cards won't fail me.

Kommentar von Nightstalker314

http://bitly.com/1OtfG6l

6700 cards (5 x 1340) in a row.

An average of 4g57s54c per card. 2 cards = 1 ink, paper is cheap.

Kommentar von Aronnsaei

I have every profession maxed out among my toons, and I log in to each of them every day and do my daily crafts. This has lead to amassing an excess of the Draenor mats, so on my scribe, I decided "why not?" and went ahead and made some.

After making and flipping 310 cards and getting a single Karte des Blutes and some whites and re-flippable greens, I decided it would be best to actually record what I received from there on. I sold those, made 1,000 more Card of Omens, and sent them to my main.

After spamming the hotkey I assigned them to for about 14 minutes, I flipped all 1,000 cards, and the results were as follow:

195x Karte des Blutes (Card 1)
176x Karte des Blutes (Card 2)
178x Karte des Blutes (Card 3)
152x Karte des Blutes (Card 4)
122x Karte des Blutes (Card 5)
94x Karte des Blutes (Card 6)
14x Karte des Blutes (Card 7)
24x Karte des Blutes (Card 8)
18x Karte des Blutes (Card 9)
19x Karte des Blutes (Card 10)
4x Karte des Blutes (Card 11)
4x Karte des Blutes (Card 12)

This meant 998g 61s and 95c from vending the white and blue cards.

In the end, I DID take chances and unexpected risks, consider the odds, and defy my destiny. These 75 acts of bravery resulted in:

Card 7 x14 gave Card 1 x4, Card 2 x1, Card 3 x1, Card 4 x3, Card 5 x4, and Card 9 x1. (6g 10s 4c from whites.)
Card 8 x24 gave Card 1 x3, Card 2 x7, Card 3 x3, Card 4 x3, Card 5 x2, Card 6 x2, Card 7 x1, Card 9 x2, and Card 10 x1. (7g 70s 3c from whites.)
Card 9 x21 gave Card 1 x2, Card 2 x6, Card 3 x3, Card 4 x2, Card 5 x4, Card 6 x3, and Card 10 x1. (10g 10s and 2c from whites.)
Card 10 x21 gave Card 1 x8, Card 2 x2, Card 3 x3, Card 4 x4, and Card 6 x4. (7g 70s 8c.)
Card 7 x1 gave Card 5 x1. (1g.)

TLDR; I made 1,310 Card of Omens, but only counted the last 1,000 as I only collected the data for those. In the un-counted first 310, I got a Karte des Blutes, but of the counted 1,000 cards I got only whites, greens and blues. The total value of all these 1,000 cards was 1,031g 22s and 12c.

Basically, meh.

Kommentar von Etamalgren

Figured I might as well post my findings:
I made 790 blood cards and got:

131x Blood Card (Card 1) (1 copper each) 1s 31c
141x Blood Card (Card 2) (10 silver each) 14g 10s
148x Blood Card (Card 3) (50 silver each) 74g
106x Blood Card (Card 4) (50 silver each) 53g
119x Blood Card (Card 5) (1 gold each) 119g
76x Blood Card (Card 6) (1 gold each) 76g
19x Blood Card (Card 7) (5 gold each) 95g
14x Blood Card (Card 8) (5 gold each) 70g
12x Blood Card (Card 9) (10 gold each) 120g
13x Blood Card (Card 10) (20 gold each) 260g
8x Blood Card (Card 11) (50 gold each) 400g
3x Blood Card (Card 12) (100 gold each) 300g

Total gold gained from this: 1581g 11s 31c.
Not bad, I guess.

Note: I decided not to reroll the green cards, since it seems like you're vastly more likely to reroll the card into a lower valued card.

EDIT: Made another 900 cards:
160x Blood Card (Card 1) (1 copper each) 1s 60c
158x Blood Card (Card 2) (10 silver each) 15g 80s
154x Blood Card (Card 3) (50 silver each) 77g
126x Blood Card (Card 4) (50 silver each) 63g
122x Blood Card (Card 5) (1 gold each) 122g
86x Blood Card (Card 6) (1 gold each) 86g
26x Blood Card (Card 7) (5 gold each) 130g
30x Blood Card (Card 8) (5 gold each) 150g
18x Blood Card (Card 9) (10 gold each) 180g
9x Blood Card (Card 10) (20 gold each) 180g
6x Blood Card (Card 11) (50 gold each) 300g
2x Blood Card (Card 12) (100 gold each) 200g
2x Blood Card (Card 13) (1000 gold each) 2000g
1x Blood Card (Card 14) (3000 gold each) 3000g

EDIT: Made another 1130 cards.
210x Blood Card (Card 1) (1 copper each) 2s 10c
213x Blood Card (Card 2) (10 silver each) 21g 30s
198x Blood Card (Card 3) (50 silver each) 99g
173x Blood Card (Card 4) (50 silver each) 86g 50s
137x Blood Card (Card 5) (1 gold each) 137g
100x Blood Card (Card 6) (1 gold each) 100g
25x Blood Card (Card 7) (5 gold each) 125g
30x Blood Card (Card 8) (5 gold each) 150g
16x Blood Card (Card 9) (10 gold each) 160g
12x Blood Card (Card 10) (20 gold each) 240g
11x Blood Card (Card 11) (50 gold each) 550g
4x Blood Card (Card 12) (100 gold each) 400g
1x Blood Card (Card 13) (1000 gold each) 1000g

Kommentar von patricel

Hello,

after flipping 2.000 Cards of Omens my results are like this:

1 x 6.000 gold
2 x 1.000 gold
11 x 100 gold
20 x 50 gold
25 x 20 gold
32 x 10 gold
107 x 5 gold
white cards for 819 gold 53 silver

TOTAL: 11.455 gold + 819 gold 53 silver = 12.274 gold 53 silver

mats required for those was 1000 war paints + 2000 light parchement

so i got like 12,28 gold per war paint

all the best

(hopping my math wasnt wrong somewhere)

Kommentar von KingOfKingz2109

I opened a few cards now, I want to share my results. I'll list every 1000 cards, at the bottom there's a summary in the spoiler for all cards together. (6000 cards, so a very accurate result!)

Small note: the earned gold is not 100% accurate but at least 99,99% (because my tracking addon calculated the bought "Light Parchment" and some other things in the progress of crafting these cards).

First 1000 Cards:

183 x Karte des Blutes
176 x Karte des Blutes
169 x Karte des Blutes
166 x Karte des Blutes
122 x Karte des Blutes
92 x Karte des Blutes
22 x Karte des Blutes
25 x Karte des Blutes
16 x Karte des Blutes
14 x Karte des Blutes
11 x Karte des Blutes
3 x Karte des Blutes
1 x Karte des Blutes
0 x Karte des Blutes
0 x Karte des Blutes

=> 2924 Gold, 11 Silver, 83 Copper (so average card yielded 2,92 gold)

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Next 1000 Cards:

156 x Karte des Blutes
165 x Karte des Blutes
195 x Karte des Blutes
160 x Karte des Blutes
140 x Karte des Blutes
86 x Karte des Blutes
26 x Karte des Blutes
25 x Karte des Blutes
20 x Karte des Blutes
12 x Karte des Blutes
12 x Karte des Blutes
3 x Karte des Blutes
0 x Karte des Blutes
0 x Karte des Blutes
0 x Karte des Blutes

=> 2015 Gold, 1 Silver, 56 Copper (so average card yielded 2,01 gold)

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Next 1000 Cards:

181 x Karte des Blutes
189 x Karte des Blutes
164 x Karte des Blutes
152 x Karte des Blutes
133 x Karte des Blutes
95 x Karte des Blutes
23 x Karte des Blutes
27 x Karte des Blutes
13 x Karte des Blutes
13 x Karte des Blutes
8 x Karte des Blutes
1 x Karte des Blutes
0 x Karte des Blutes
0 x Karte des Blutes
1 x Karte des Blutes

=> 7544 Gold, 91 Silver, 81 Copper (so average card yielded 7,54 gold)

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Next 1000 Cards:

189 x Karte des Blutes
165 x Karte des Blutes
167 x Karte des Blutes
148 x Karte des Blutes
134 x Karte des Blutes
101 x Karte des Blutes
33 x Karte des Blutes
26 x Karte des Blutes
9 x Karte des Blutes
13 x Karte des Blutes
10 x Karte des Blutes
4 x Karte des Blutes
1 x Karte des Blutes
0 x Karte des Blutes
0 x Karte des Blutes

=> 2954 Gold, 1 Silver, 89 Copper (so average card yielded 2,95 gold)

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Next 1000 Cards:

189 x Karte des Blutes
196 x Karte des Blutes
157 x Karte des Blutes
151 x Karte des Blutes
123 x Karte des Blutes
93 x Karte des Blutes
19 x Karte des Blutes
26 x Karte des Blutes
18 x Karte des Blutes
12 x Karte des Blutes
10 x Karte des Blutes
5 x Karte des Blutes
1 x Karte des Blutes
0 x Karte des Blutes
0 x Karte des Blutes

=> 3034 Gold, 61 Silver, 89 Copper (so average card yielded 3,03 gold)

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Next 1000 Cards:

171 x Karte des Blutes
179 x Karte des Blutes
170 x Karte des Blutes
162 x Karte des Blutes
133 x Karte des Blutes
83 x Karte des Blutes
36 x Karte des Blutes
22 x Karte des Blutes
18 x Karte des Blutes
16 x Karte des Blutes
7 x Karte des Blutes
2 x Karte des Blutes
0 x Karte des Blutes
1 x Karte des Blutes
0 x Karte des Blutes

=> 4739 Gold, 91 Silver, 71 Copper (so average card yielded 4,73 gold)

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>> All 6000 cards together <<

1069 x Karte des Blutes = 10g 00s 69c
1070 x Karte des Blutes = 107g 00s 00c
1022 x Karte des Blutes = 511g 00s 00c
939 x Karte des Blutes = 469g 50s 00c
785 x Karte des Blutes = 785g 00s 00c
550 x Karte des Blutes = 550g 00s 00c
159 x Karte des Blutes = 795g 00s 00c
151 x Karte des Blutes = 755g 00s 00c
94 x Karte des Blutes = 940g 00s 00c
80 x Karte des Blutes = 1,600g 00s 00c
58 x Karte des Blutes = 2,900g 00s 00c
18 x Karte des Blutes = 1,800g 00s 00c
3 x Karte des Blutes = 3,000g 00s 00c
1 x Karte des Blutes = 3,000g 00s 00c
1 x Karte des Blutes = 6,000g 00s 00c

=> 23,255g 50s 69c - so the average yield per card was 3g 87s 59c

Anywhere in my math is a little mistake I think, the earned gold varies by ~30g. But that doesn't really mater because 30g at 6000 cards is literally nothing.

=> 23,255g 50s 69c - so the average yield per card was 3g 87s 59c

/edit: I recently made ~10,000 more. Due to a computer reset I lost the data, but the average yield per card was roughly at 4g 50s.

Kommentar von nerdlaw

Just flipped 1000 because i had so many excess War Paints.
Hit a 1k and a 3k, so i was pretty happy. Seems like my results fall above average.

5795g for the 1000 cards.

Thanks to whomever it was that posted the script farther up that auto sold and mathed. #hatemath

Kommentar von drkemical

Opened 790 cards, i usely craft 700\900 cards every 4\5 days, now i decided to do a report.

790 Cards
2 cards of 3K
1 card of 1K
2 cards of 100g
7 cards of 50g
green and white not counted.

Total gold: 8447

Here image report: http://i.imgur.com/JOKNNVB.jpg

I crafted a lot of cards and this has been my best one, i have to admit that after thousands i never found a 6000 gold card.

Kommentar von soneil

I just flipped 500 cards and vendored all of them

Vendor
Value-Qty-Vendor
100g - 01 - 100
50g - 02 - 100
20g - 09 - 180
10g - 10 - 100
05g - 15 - 75
05g - 13 - 65
01g - 46 - 46
01g - 67 - 67
05s - 75 - 375
05s - 76 - 380
01s - 92 - 92
01c - 94 - 94

Total result - 817g 70s 94c
Worked out to about 1.6 gold per card or 16 gold per stack of 10. Stacks of 10 seems to auction for a lot more than that so I guess people are optimistic about getting one of the purple cards. I didn't get one in a batch of 500.

Kommentar von saiyuri

Thought I would test out the drop rates of the different types of cards - has previously been done, but as I built up a surplus from selling them for more on the ah (although too many people got into the market to artifically keep the prices raised on my realm) have rounded down to 2 decimal points for percentages

Karte des Blutes = 1691 = 17.18%
Karte des Blutes = 1691 = 17.18%
Karte des Blutes = 1704 = 17.31%
Karte des Blutes = 1578 = 16.03%
Karte des Blutes = 1326 = 13.47%
Karte des Blutes = 877 = 8.91%
Karte des Blutes = 289 = 2.93%
Karte des Blutes = 247 = 2.51%
Karte des Blutes = 174 = 1.76%
Karte des Blutes = 116 = 1.17%
Karte des Blutes = 91 = 0.92%
Karte des Blutes = 47 = 0.47%
Karte des Blutes = 5 = 0.05%
Karte des Blutes = 2 = 0.02%
Karte des Blutes = 2 = 0.02%

so a total of 9840 cards netted me 43003g 26s 91c which is approx 4g37s a card (obviously the nature of gambling results will vary but seems fairly consistent with other peoples findings just using a larger sample size)

Kommentar von Kjeldorian

Using the data from 14 users who've taken the time to record, comment, and share their data.

This is the current population as of 10/30/15 (6.2.2):

.02% to get a 6000 G
.03% to get a 3000 G
.05% to get a 1000 G
.77% to get a 100 G
1.08% to get a 50 G
1.23% to get a 20 G
1.62% to get a 10 G
5.22% to get a 5 G
21.66% to get a 1 G
33.24% to get a 50 sil
17.72% to get a 10 sil
17.35% to get a 1 copper

Based on a sample size of 31k cards, the average is 34.78 G per card as you approach infinity. The weighted average (a more realistic number) puts the average at 2.90 g per card. The data is heavily skewed to the 50 sil - 1 g range.

Limitations of this data is that it was self reported, did not factor in cost of reagants, or the time to craft and activate the items.

Hope it helps in your decision to craft these.

Kommentar von lankybrit

I usually make about 100 per day. The usual result is garbage, about 100-200g for each 100. But, I have got the 6K card twice in the past 4 days, so my average has shot up.

Downvote all you want. I'm just happy.

Kommentar von djcaseofdk

Here's my results of opening 1710 Karte der Omen:

Karte des Blutes x 0 ≈ 0.00% - Total value = 0G 00S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 3 ≈ 0.18% - Total value = 9,000G 00S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 0 ≈ 0.00% - Total value = 0G 00S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 9 ≈ 0.53% - Total value = 900G 00S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 22 ≈ 1.29% - Total value = 1,100G 00S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 20 ≈ 1.17% - Total value = 400G 00S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 27 ≈ 1.58% - Total value = 270G 00S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 46 ≈ 2.69% - Total value = 230G 00S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 53 ≈ 3.10% - Total value = 265G 00S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 168 ≈ 9.82% - Total value = 168G 00S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 228 ≈ 13.33% - Total value = 228G 00S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 235 ≈ 13.74% - Total value = 117G 50S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 279 ≈ 16.32% - Total value = 139G 50S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 311 ≈ 18.19% - Total value = 31G 10S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 309 ≈ 18.07% - Total value = 0G 03S 09C

Total = 1,710 - Total value = 12,849G 13S 09C

Average value per card: 7G 51S 41C

So, I decided to spend some time, and actually take ALL (exact) observations in these comments to get a more precise result of the outcome of the cards:
(Data is based on 30,670 card flips from users TGFornia, KingOfKingz2109, saiyuri, Zachonex667, Nightstalker314, Etamalgren, soneil and myself)

Karte des Blutes x 4 ≈ 0.01% - Total value = 24,000G 00S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 10 ≈ 0.03% - Total value = 30,000G 00S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 14 ≈ 0.05% - Total value = 14,000G 00S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 134 ≈ 0.44% - Total value = 13,400G 00S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 275 ≈ 0.90% - Total value = 13,750G 00S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 369 ≈ 1.20% - Total value = 7,380G 00S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 513 ≈ 1.67% - Total value = 5,130G 00S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 788 ≈ 2.57% - Total value = 3,940G 00S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 834 ≈ 2.72% - Total value = 4,170G 00S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 2,697 ≈ 8.79% - Total value = 2,697G 00S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 4,029 ≈ 13.14% - Total value = 4,029G 00S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 4,819 ≈ 15.71% - Total value = 2,409G 50S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 5,312 ≈ 17.32% - Total value = 2,656G 00S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 5,469 ≈ 17.83% - Total value = 546G 90S 00C
Karte des Blutes x 5,403 ≈ 17.62% - Total value = 0G 54S 03C

Total = 30,670 - Total value = 128,108G 94S 03C

Average value per card: 4G 17S 70C

Now, since it takes 5x Kriegsbemalung and 10x Leichtes Pergament (1 cost 15C) to make 10x Karte der Omen, we can break it down like this:

10x Karte der Omen = 4G 17S 70C x10 = 41G 77S 00C
-10x Leichtes Pergament = 0G 00S 15C x10 = 0G 01S 50C
= (41G 75S 50C)/5 = 8G 35S 10C

And now we can see how much 1x Kriegsbemalung is worth, making Karte der Omen: 8G 35S 10C

It seems I got lucky, since my value per card is almost 80% higher than the average.

Now, I won't say that if you see them cheaper than 4G 17S 70C at the auction house, you should buy them, since there's a lot of RNGesus connected with flipping these card, and you would have to buy a lot. And if you do, it won't guarantee you a profit.

EDIT:
I decided to open Karte des Blutes, Karte des Blutes Karte des Blutes Karte des Blutes.

I had 20x Karte des Blutes. These gave me:
2xKarte des Blutes which gave me

2xKarte des Blutes

2xKarte des Blutes which gave me

2xKarte des Blutes
2xKarte des Blutes
3xKarte des Blutes
1xKarte des Blutes
3xKarte des Blutes
5xKarte des Blutes

Instead of 400G, I had 6G 90S 07C

I had 27x Karte des Blutes. These gave me:
1xKarte des Blutes which gave me

1xKarte des Blutes

4xKarte des Blutes
6xKarte des Blutes
3xKarte des Blutes
4xKarte des Blutes
4xKarte des Blutes
5xKarte des Blutes

Instead of 270G, I had 16G 90S 05C

I had 46x Karte des Blutes. These gave me:
1xKarte des Blutes which gave me

1xKarte des Blutes

1xKarte des Blutes which gave me

1xKarte des Blutes

2xKarte des Blutes
6xKarte des Blutes
7xKarte des Blutes
11xKarte des Blutes
11xKarte des Blutes
7xKarte des Blutes

Instead of 230G, I had 18G 70S 07C

I had 53x Karte des Blutes. These gave me:
1xKarte des Blutes
1xKarte des Blutes which gave me

1xKarte des Blutes

3xKarte des Blutes which gave me

3xKarte des Blutes
7xKarte des Blutes
11xKarte des Blutes
15xKarte des Blutes
5xKarte des Blutes
7xKarte des Blutes

Instead of 265G, I had 125G 50S 08C

Overall I had 1165G and ended up with 168G 00S 27C by reflipping the cards. I guess you have a slight chance to get better cards, but imo it's not worth it.

Kommentar von Strokelock

Another Percentage of card flipping.
Made one, flipped it -- 6K Gold. That said, the droprate for me apparently is 100%.
Very Unusual for me personally.
In Karazhan as a druid back in TBC, 5 items in a row, something dropped that I could use (back when you had to /roll). My /rolls were:

*The last one, the '3' got beat out by a 4 ><

Kommentar von DruidLlama

Total amount of cards: 2099

Total Gold: 9756 gold, 54 silver 64 copper

Average gain per card: 4 Gold 64 Silver 81 copper

1 copper: 464 cards = 4 silver 64 copper

10 silver: 435 cards = 43 gold 50 silver

50 silver: 340 cards = 170 gold

1 gold: 578 cards = 578 gold

5 gold: 165 cards = 825 gold

10 gold: 46 cards = 460 gold

20 gold: 39 cards = 780 gold

50 gold: 20 cards = 1000 gold

100 gold: 9 cards = 900 gold

1000 gold: 2 cards = 2000 gold

3000 gold: 1 cards = 3000 gold

Kommentar von AldorinDK

I had a ton War Paints and decided to make as many of these, as I could, just to test whether they'd be worth it. Mostly because I had absoloutely nothing else to use them for. I thought I might as well share my findings and conclusion here.

So, I started out crafting 3540 of these. Then I checked the current AH price, which was 7,05 gold each. The usual price range from 6-8 gold on my server these days (or at least has, through the times I've checked the last 2-3 months).

I opened the first 1600 cards and took a look to evaluate the gain so far. At this point, I had received:

330 Blood Card = 0,033 gold
226 Blood Cards = 22,6 gold
336 Blood Cards = 118 gold
242 Blood Cards = 121 gold
220 Blood Cards = 220 gold
136 Blood Cards 136 gold
42 Blood Cards = 210 gold
16 Blood Cards = 160 gold
22 Blood Cards 440 gold
20 Blood Cards = 1000 gold
10 Blood Cards = 1000 gold

All in all, those first 1600 cards opened yielded 3427,63 gold vs 11280 from the AH, going by the current price.

A few important points on this:

I did not receive a single card worth 1000, 3000 or 6000 gold. Whether you get one or multiple is obviously entirely down to RNGesus, however based on these results, the chance to get either of these appear to be lower than 0,1% chance.
The AH prices on your server might be entirely different than mine, so it may be a lot more worthwhile just selling these on the auction house, just as well as it may be a much better idea taking the risk, if they're not worth much.
You should take this with a grain of salt. Nobody will get the same results. You might be lucky enough to get three 6000 really worthwhile cards in your first 100 openings. Who knows?
If you're thinking of crafting and/or selling these, you should remember that AH prices will go up and down, the market for these may not be the biggest, and there will undoubtedly always be competition, so the overall income may not be what you first expected. Additionally, if you craft as many as I did, it may take you ages selling these.

I for one, am well aware of my own terrible luck with RNG in this game, so I'm just gonna be putting my ~2k cards on the Auction House, rather than challenging fate.

As it takes 10 Cerulean Pigments to craft 20 War Paints (at 700 skill level), it's worth considering if it is even worthwhile making these in the first place. On my server, the pigments can usually be sold for 5-8 gold each. If a daily CD's worth of pigments goes for 50-80 gold, and the amount of Card of Omens you can craft with the War Paints provided by this daily, goes for around 280 gold each (as currently on my server), it really comes down to the amount of effort you're willing to put in.
If you're always struggling for gold, it might be nice enough to rid yourself of a few herbs to craft and sell these, however if you've got plenty of gold and are as lazy as me, it may be better simply just not crafting anything, as you might have to repost them on the Auction House multiple times, especially on bigger servers where there will be plenty of people making these.

I hope this post helped you estimate whether they're worth buying, selling, crafting or opening yourself.

Kommentar von altarieldk

Well, I'm going to add my two cents also.

I flipped 800 cards while doing this post and I got (I'm not differentiating cards who have different flavor text but sell for the same amount):

Karte des Blutes x 138
Karte des Blutes x 133
Karte des Blutes x 264
Karte des Blutes x 191
Karte des Blutes x 40
Karte des Blutes x 11
Karte des Blutes x 6
Karte des Blutes x 11
Karte des Blutes x 5
Karte des Blutes x 1

This got me a net value of 2816g 7s 38c (2816g 31s 38c - 24s for the Leichtes Pergament)

Considering this and comparing it to the Wilder Waffenkristall which has an EU median price of 14500g:

If you bought all the mats required it would take you 6836g 40s for the 60x Teufelsfäule + 77g 40s for the 60x Magische Luft going for a total cost of 6913g 80s.

Selling the item for the median price, and removing the 725g from the 5% AH cut you would get a net value of 13775g. Removing the materials costs you would end up with 6938g 60s.

This, of course, depends on server prices and demand. Take also in consideration that flipping cards is completely RNG. Before doing this test, on another occasion, I flipped 400 cards and got 2x Karte des Blutes cards, for instance.

Bottom line, if you don't think you are lucky with RNG, and as far as math goes, you better spend your mats on other things.

Prices were checked in The Undermine Journal site.

If anyone's interested we could also do a comparison between number of flips opposed to mats costs for a 6/6 upgraded crafted staff, for instance.

Cheers.

Kommentar von westomopresto

Flipping cards (at least these ones) is affected by Haste.
Making shamans the best card flippers with Bloodlust

go gamble my friends

Kommentar von hootstwo

Flipped 620 of them today for a total vendor value of 4024g22s80c. Yielding an average value of 6.52gold per card. Now, keep in mind ONE card was worth 3000g, so if it hadn't turned and instead I got say, 100g, the value PLUMMETS to 1.8g/card. On my server these cards are selling for a prices of normally 7-8g/ card.

TL DR - sell your cards on the AH.

Kommentar von Elynia

Given that the realm I am on is pretty dead, and the AH isn't doing great, I've just been flipping about 100 cards on the days I do play for the money. On average I make about 500-800g, not counting the days I find one of the epic cards. I am too lazy/bad at math to try to actually work out how much I make from each haul. At the end of the day, I'll just say that if you don't mind putting in the time for it, it can be a worth while usage of other wise space wasting materials at the end of the expansion. I have no idea if these items will be changed/nerfed once Legion comes out, so I'd say make what you can off of them. Keep in mind that you may make more gold AHing your cards, just be aware of how your realms auction house functions. :D

I am curious if anyone has made a macro of any sort for flipping the cards? For the moment I just run circles while waiting for queues hitting the same button over and over to flip them. Something more automatic would be nice.

Kommentar von Yazzai

Flipped 3500 of these over the past week. Got the following stats:
6000g : 1
3000g : 3
1000g : 1
100g : 16
50g : 36
20g : 36
10g : 59
5g : 79
5g : 91
1g : 404
1g : 382
50s : 575
50s : 596
10s : 603
1c : 618
Total = 22991g 86s 18c

Takes forever creating and flipping them, not really worth it.

Kommentar von merenhuiske

Every day I buy 100 of these in hope of getting that sweet 6k card. I usually profit each day 2-3g but it's for the addiction :)

Kommentar von XxSXBxX

Did a little bit of a sample to see roughly the gold per card I'm getting.
2170 - Cards of Omen
3723 - Gold before vendor
6899 Gold (After 1080 Cards of Omen) 9199 Gold (After 1090 Cards of Omen)
5476 Gold profit total
Roughly 2.52 Gold per card is what I got off this one, and out of the whole sample I only got 1 Epic card, and it was the 1000g one. The rest was profit off of mainly blue/greens.

Kommentar von Korkol

Some horrible force took hold of me today and compelled me to convert all of my Warpaints into these cards.

After crafting and giving away a few hundred, I ended up with 4200 to open up myself. I did not keep statistics on every single card, however I did track my before and after gold, and obtained one of each purple.

Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes
Karte des Blutes

For a total profit of 17,681g.

I'm also never going to Vegas.

Kommentar von veggiefinder

Here are my statistics for 20,000 x Karte der Omen:

Karte des Blutes: 4 = 0.02% = 24,000 g
Karte des Blutes: 7 = 0.035% = 21,000 g
Karte des Blutes: 6 = 0.03% = 6,000 g
Karte des Blutes: 87 = 0.435% = 8,700 g
Karte des Blutes: 183 = 0.915% = 9,150 g
Karte des Blutes: 270 = 1.35% = 5,400 g
Karte des Blutes: 345 = 1.725% = 3,450 g
Karte des Blutes & Karte des Blutes: 1,063 = 5.315% = 5,315 g

I did not count white cards individually, but their total value was 7,753 g.

The total vendor value for the 20,000 Blood Cards was 90,768 g.
That is 4.5384 g per Karte der Omen or 9.0768 g per Kriegsbemalung.

Kommentar von Kronzlife

I'm going to post what every other Nescient Lemming here didn't and it's probably the most important of every post here.
(The macro so you don't have to mouse click every time.)

/use card of omens

Thank you and have a great day.

Kommentar von Icicle9000

Those looking to liquidate their left over warpaint might find this to be the most profitable as of this time in the expansion. My trial and math below using current auction house numbers. I apologize for the messiness but here are my findings.

ROUND ONE -> 1520 cards = 10,678g 90s 87c ~ 7g 02s 56c per card
287 x 1 copper = 0g 02s 87c
322 x 10 silver = 32g 20s
485 x 50 silver = 242g 50s
299 x 1 gold = 299g

65 x 5 gold = 325g
19 x 10 gold = 190g
22 x 20 gold = 440g

13 x 50 gold = 650g
5 x 100 gold = 500g

2 x 1000 gold = 2000g
0 x 3000 gold = N/A
1 x 6000 gold = 6000g

ROUND TWO -> 850 cards = 5,711g 71s 44c ~ 6g 71s 97c per card
144 x 1 copper = 0g 01s 44c
162 x 10 silver = 16g 20s
259 x 50 silver = 129g 50s
196 x 1 gold = 196g

48 x 5 gold = 240g
14 x 10 gold = 140g
17 x 20 gold = 340g

3 x 50 gold = 150g
5 x 100 gold = 500g

1 x 1000 gold = 1000g
1 x 3000 gold = 3000g
0 x 6000 gold = N/A

OVERALL -> 2,370 cards = 16,390g 62s 31c ~ 6g 91s 59c per card

On my server 1 frostweed ~ 1 gold
20g -> 20 herbs -> 8 cerulean pigments -> 2 cerulean pigments -> 4 warpaint

(1g/1herbs) * 20 herbs/8 pigments * 2 pigments/4 warpaints = 1g 25s per warpaint

5 warpaints -> 10 cards of omen
(1g 25s/warpaint) * 5 warpaint / 10 cards of omen = 62s 05c per card.

PROFIT -> 6g 71s 97c - 62s 05c = 6g 09s 92c per card

Weapon crystal cost -> 87g warpaints + 780g bloods + 15g sorcerous water = 882g
Weapon crystal profit @ ~1500g = 618g

PROFIT PER WARPAINT
Card of omen -> 12g 19s 84c
Weapon crystal -> 8g 82s 86c

NOTE: Because this is all random doesn't mean that you will profit as much as me. Weapon crystals are difficult to sell on my server and trinkets do not sell at all. If you're looking to liquidate warpaint or make sorcerous from work orders I believe that making cards of omen can yield a better profit.

Kommentar von wowZhenek

Hello friends, so I decided to clean up my stash before legion and since I stumbled across 17k+ inscription materials, I couldn't help but ... you know ... ^_^.

Without further ado, here are the results:

A total of 162889 gold, 61 silver and 44 copper was earned from vendoring.
A total of 34160 cards were flipped, which makes it approximately 4,77g per card (rounded up), which is lower than the current AH price (including the AH cuts and whatnots).

Karte des Blutes = 8
Karte des Blutes = 10
Karte des Blutes = 20
Karte des Blutes = 137
Karte des Blutes = 279
Karte des Blutes = 450
Karte des Blutes = 569
Karte des Blutes = 898
Karte des Blutes = 893
Karte des Blutes = 2917
Karte des Blutes = 4379
Karte des Blutes = 5351
Karte des Blutes = 6030
Karte des Blutes = 6075
Karte des Blutes = 6144

Conclusions:

It is not worth doing card flipping because it takes to much time and effort. Not an instant flip (about 0,5s cast time), stacks up to 20 (not 200) thus bagspace becomes an issue.
It is not worth re-flipping green cards, absolutely not worth it.

Intersting observation:

Unlike 5g cards, which seem to have almost equal proc rate by looks of it, the 1g ones seem to have quite a discrepancy in proc-rate, same goes for 50s ones but to lesser extent.

Kommentar von sezz

Flipped one or two cards to ~~get rid of my Kriegsbemalung~~ for science, results so far:

11683x	1c Karte des Blutes	17.611%	1g 16s 83c
11655x	10s Karte des Blutes	17.569%	1165g 50s
11501x	50s Karte des Blutes	17.337%	5750g 50s
10489x	50s Karte des Blutes	15.811%	5244g 50s
8888x	1g Karte des Blutes	13.398%	8888g
5694x	1g Karte des Blutes	08.583%	5694g
1723x	5g Karte des Blutes	02.597%	8615g
1703x	5g Karte des Blutes	02.567%	8515g
1196x	10g Karte des Blutes	01.803%	11960g
858x	20g Karte des Blutes	01.293%	17160g
607x	50g Karte des Blutes	00.915%	30350g
276x	100g Karte des Blutes	00.416%	27600g
33x	1000g Karte des Blutes	00.050%	33000g
21x	3000g Karte des Blutes	00.032%	63000g
11x	6000g Karte des Blutes	00.017%	66000g

Cards: 66338
Total: 292943g 66s 83c
Average: 4g 41s 59c

Kommentar von JihnaTheBrawler

Fun fact. The card flipping speed is increased by haste.

If you have Mark of Warsong (1000-100 haste) you can auto attack dummies and get the haste buff.
Bloodlust / Timewarp (40% haste) and Dark Soul: Misery (30% Haste) also increase the flip speed.

Don't be like me and send 3010x cards to your level 2 banker.

Kommentar von esmee

Card of Omens Statistics

Sample: 2919 cards "flipped"

1c 512 (17.54%)
10s 532 (18.22%)
50s 957 (32.78%)
1g 646 (22.13%)
5g 148 (5.07%)
10g 47 (1.61%)
20g 32 (1.09%)
50g 28 (0.95%)
100g 14 (0.47%)
1000g 2 (0.01%) 6.85x10^-4
3000g 1 (0.01%) 3.42x10^-4
6000g 0 (0.00%) < 3.42x10^-4

Total money earned: 10827g 75s 12c

Card of Omens is currently being sold on the Auction House at a rate of 3g 39s per card.
Card of Omens stacks to max 20
Therefore each stack is worth 67g 80s

The amount of stacks in my sample are 145.95 (146)
Therefore the current value on the Auction House is 9895g 41s

The range for 2919 cards "flipped" vs sold at the Auction House is 932g 34s

From this data, it suggests that it is more beneficial to "flip" your cards, rather than sell them for the rate of 3g 39s.
This is however not the case, if Card of Omens sells for > 3g 75s each, where you would be better off selling them on the Auction House prices higher than this.

Considering that you have to pay Auction House fees, I would not recommend putting your Cards on the Auction House unless they sell for at least 4g 25s.
This also takes into account more time (and more bag space) filling from cards potentially not selling fast enough, and being undercut a considerable amount of times.

War Paints can be used to make much more beneficial items, so making Card of Omens is not recommended from a financial point of view, but if you like a gamble, then this is best for you.

If you are making Card of Omens to put on the Auction House, as said above, is not recommended as Weapon Crystals and Scrolls are much more profitable ways to use your War Paints.

Hope this helps!

Kommentar von radumalica

spent 3000g on a bunch of Karte der Omen and finally i got just one 3000g Karte des Blutes plus a few extra on the blue and green ones. in the end , i had a profit of 1000g over what i spent. Pure luck, but this when flipping the resulted green cards from the original batch. Definitely not a good way to make money

Kommentar von Klaphood

Here's a little update for 7.0.3 Live (EU)
(Sorry for my small sample, but I couldn't decide whether to sell or to try my luck so I sold quite some stacks first =3 )

Total Karte der Omen flipped: 880.

Karte des Blutes x 1 .............. = 0.114 %
Karte des Blutes x 0
Karte des Blutes x 0
Karte des Blutes x 2 .............. = 0.227 %
Karte des Blutes x 11 ............ = 1.250 %
Karte des Blutes x 7 ........... = 0.795 %
Karte des Blutes x 19 ......... = 2.159 %
Karte des Blutes x 49 ......... = 5.568 %
Karte des Blutes x 197 ... = 22.39 %
Karte des Blutes x 303 ... = 34.43 %
Karte des Blutes x 132 ... = 15.00 %
Karte des Blutes x 159 ... = 18.07 %

NOW, IS IT WORTH BUYING THESE?

Seeing as I got really lucky, from selling these to the NPC I made 7686g 71s 59c .
If I hadn't gotten the 6k Karte des Blutes though, instead I would've made only a mere 1686g 71s 59c.
---> Average gold per card: 8,735g with Karte des Blutes, 1,917g without.

I may have gotten a bit unlucky on the 100g Karte des Blutess, and a slight bit lucky with 50g Karte des Blutess, but to me they do not even seem to matter at all since the epic cards are just worth SO much more. This brought me to my conclusion (at the end of the post).

On my well populated server, right now one Karte der Omen sells for (give or take) 4g.
Selling 880 on the auction house would have net me about 3520 gold.
A user on Reddit named "Monoroth" posted 8 months ago about flipping 50,000 (!) cards, and in his sample one card was indeed worth 4.20g. So according to this number, for every 1115 cards bought, you would have to get at least one 3k Karte des Blutes for it to be worthwhile.

TL;DR / Conclusion: If you are thinking about buying OR selling any of these, keep in mind that it's only worthwile to flip cards until you get lucky enough to pull at least
one 1k Karte des Blutes per 239 cards flipped
one 3k Karte des Blutes per 715 cards flipped
one 6k Karte des Blutes per 1429 cards flipped.
Feel free to go beyond that and try to challenge your luck, if you don't. ;)

Edit: Added the other two Blood Cards for clarification.

Kommentar von DarkSkyfire

Making these now that the daily got nerfed hard. Anyone have a more profitable use for the warpaints?

Kommentar von raider3

Hey everybody,

I think all there is about these cards has been said, so without further ado here are my statistics:

Karte der Omen flipped 2810

Card type ---------------- Drop rate

Karte des Blutes x13 ---- 0.46%
Karte des Blutes x23 ---- 0.82%
Karte des Blutes x39 ---- 1.39%
Karte des Blutes x44 ---- 1.57%
Karte des Blutes x81 ---- 2.88%
Karte des Blutes x61 ---- 2.17%
Karte des Blutes x216 -- 7.69%
Karte des Blutes x369 -- 13.13%
Karte des Blutes x486 -- 17.29%
Karte des Blutes x496 -- 17.65%
Karte des Blutes x464 -- 16.51%
Karte des Blutes x518 -- 18.43%

Bit of a shame I didn't land any purples though...

Total gold earned: 5502g 45s 18c
Gold per Karte der Omen: 1g 95s

Kommentar von Briandrace15

Chance to get blue cards and higher has been significantly reduced.

Kommentar von JeusofDethecus

TL;DR
Average Card Value: ~~4g 66s 49c~~ 4g 48s 83c Edit: recalculated from fixed formula
I have noticed no appreciable difference in card value after Legion Pre-Patch launched.

As I am approaching my 375,000th flip, I figured I would add a little information on my statistics...

Karte des Blutes x 64,280   Value: 6g 42s 80c

Karte des Blutes x 64,740   Value: 6,474g

Karte des Blutes x 65,080   Value: 32,540g
Karte des Blutes x 58,500   Value: 29,250g

Karte des Blutes x 49,700   Value: 49,700g
Karte des Blutes x 32,760   Value: 32,760g

Karte des Blutes x 9,960     Value: 49,800g
Karte des Blutes x 9,820     Value: 49,100g

Karte des Blutes x 6,560     Value: ~~131,200g~~ 65,600g Edit: error in formula

Karte des Blutes x 4,920     Value: 98,400g

Karte des Blutes x 3,280     Value: 164,000g

Karte des Blutes x 1,560     Value: 156,000g

Karte des Blutes x 199        Value: 199,000g

Karte des Blutes x 133        Value: 399,000g

Karte des Blutes x 56          Value: 336,000g

Karte der Omen x 371,458
Value: ~~1,733,230g~~ 1,667,630g 42s 80c

Average Card Value: ~~4g 66s 49c~~ 4g 48s 83c (rounded)

It may be worth noting that approximately 40,000 of the cards flipped were after the 7.0.3 patch hit, and their average value was 4.5632g per card. This is right in line with the other averages of batches I have flipped (usually around 40,000 before I add them to the total), as I have had some closer to 5g and some closer to 4.5g average card value.

It's not gambling, it's SCIENCE!

Edit: I just realized that the 10g card was calculated at 20g, so its value was incorrectly doubled. The above numbers have been fixed to reflect that change.

As an aside, the last 15,500 cards I flipped after posting this (all after 7.0.3) have had a value of 5.2882g/card, just to show how wildly small samples can vary.

Kommentar von Tarika

Ok, some more fresh stats.

I had ~3700 War Paints stuck in my reagent bank since WoD, so I thought by now it's best to just make cards out of them and flip it myself.

I'll leave the hardcore math, but here's what I ended up with:
- 8074g 62s 52c gold in my pocket after auto-vendoring all whites and greens. (I mailed all my gold to an alt before vendoring cards)
- 72x50g blue cards = 3600g
- 23x100g blues = 2300g
- 4x1k epic cards = 4000g
- 2x3k epics = 6000g
- 2x6k epics = 12000g
= total of almost exactly 36000 gold.

Now, at least in this portion the value of each *card* was ~4.8-5g. Meaning, nearly 10g per *paint* (2x cards in each paint). Making it quite profitable compared to other ways of using war paints by now. Let's say, if you were to sell them as crafted 100-paint staves (yes, people still buy them for mog and alts sometimes), you'd have to sell it for over 1k (including AH cut and potential plentiful expired depo losses, which is a lot for weapons) for it to be worth it more than crafting omens. Not to mention, selling 3700 paints as staves would mean selling 37 (!) of them, which is likely to take you near forever.

Taking this math a bit further, let's say you consider actually *crafting* War Paints for profit through omen cards. Can't say for all realms, but on mine there's usually plenty of cheap WoD herbs on AH, somewhere around 35s to 75s, so let's say we buy it at 50s avg.

Spirit of War takes 0.5 Primal Spirit & 2x pigment per each paint. Let's say we trade same herbs for primals on garrison visitor. Making it 50s*5 = 2.5g spent per spirit.
The closes to realistic coefficient of Cerulean Pigment per herb I could find is 2.3725, so at 50s herbs it'd be ~1.2g per pigment.
Resulting in 1.2*2 + 2.5/2 = 3g 65s crafting cost of war paint at 50s per herb. Obviously, it's going to be considerably less if you can buy herbs at ~30s, which is often possible.

Then you get 10g - 3g 65s = over 6g profit *per paint*. So if instead of hoarding those War Paints through WoD I'd just crafted them by buying dirt cheap herbs from AH, it'd make me total of 23.5k pure profit with about 13.5k crafting cost losses.

Other observations:
- crafting and fliping ~7400 cards took me about two and a half hours. No it wasn't 100% of those 2.5 hours, but most of it. I managed to eat my lunch, drink couple cups of tea and read a couple chapters of a book while flipping them, so perhaps without all of it it'd been at least an hour less time spent.
- if you're considering getting rid of a massive stockpile of paints this way, be ready that the main limitation would be your ability to hit the keybind a few thousands times at 2-3 per second rate. Or likely more, at least I ended up just spamming it twice faster than needed. So 3700 paints = ~15k clicks = about an hour of pure clicking time. You'll get tired, but switching fingers/hands helps a bit. It's a nice exercise, if nothing else...
- setting up TSM vendoring group for all white and green cards really saves a ton of time.
- if you have full set of empty 30 slot bags, it's best to split it into ~240 crafts at a time (it's 2400 cards or 120 slots at x20 stacks). About 15 extra free slots are needed for flipped cards, but all in all the end amount of bag space will be rougly the same after you flipped them all. Except that epic cards don't stack (sadly).
- you might ask, was it worth the time and effort? Well, I guess it wasn't the hardest task ever, and I had to do something with all those Paints anyway, so... not really, but I've no regrets. Will I do it again? Hell no. There sure are better ways to spend couple hours to end up with mere 25k gold at the end of this finger-torturing nightmare.

Edit:
A new stockpile collected over time (mostly from occasional daily crafts when I logged on scribe alts), so I made a new round of this maddness.

500 crafts (2500 paints)
5000 cards

5470g from whites and greens
22x100g = 2200g
40x50g = 2000g
3x1000g
1x3000g
===15670g

~3g 13s each card
~6g 27s each war paint

Note: I did another go on this on my horde toon with a bit less paints stockpiled and even updated this post, but it was lost in the process for some reason. Anyway, the result was pretty close.

All in all stats seems to hold about the same. It still seems like a pretty solid way to spend your war paints.
As for using primal crafts with the pigment, I'd say it depends a lot on your realm herb prices and whether it's easy enough to sell the pigment itself for over 4-5g each. On my realm atm it sells at 6-7g for a few stacks a day, and there doesn't seem to be much competition, but it's a tiny realm.

A few useful tips I discovered on the second go:
- It gets much easier to deal with the cards if you bind the mouse wheel to a macro with /use Card of Omens.
- It gets even easier than that if that mouse is wireless and you can just roll the wheel for a few mins while doing other things
- Persuading old family members, children and pets to roll the wheel is also an option if you stick some tape on the lazer so it wouldn't move from middle screen. They don't have to be all that smart to roll the wheel. My cat did the rolling pretty well after I sprinkled the mouse with catnip. ^_^
- Strapping said mouse to a wall and placing a fan that swings its butt from side to side makes it much, much less of a headache.

Kommentar von Seilgrank

Only slightly useful to know, but the cards can be flipped while moving. However, not while mounted.

Kommentar von Cr00xY

A guy I know (in game of course) earns insane amount of money with this, tricky part is - I don't know how exactly and I can't really find out since his English is absolutely terrible. Pretty bad part however is that he spends 7-8 hours of work to earn as he says around 100k gold.
Have they added some new cards? Increased odds? Or what could be a reason?

Kommentar von Cr00xY

Is there any good macro which helps with opening hundreds (if not more) of these and makes it faster? I wanna open all the cards in inventory (as in: I don't want to keep green ones). I haven't found any macro about it anywhere and clicking all of them like a maniac is too damn time consuming.

Kommentar von SolidSnack

Late into legion, I made 3790 (ugh) cards with the leftover ones I had before taking a break.

I didn't keep count of all the different types of cards I got (I could, though; I recorded the whole thing) but overall I got 25160g from all of them, which is about 6.64 g per card! That's mostly thanks to the 3 epic cards (6k each) that I luckily got.

Still a decent herb sink for now. I wonder how long it'll keep working...

Kommentar von AdeptN

As of today, I flipped exactly 120.700 cards, and got 55.303g0s17c from them, rounding up to 45s81c each card. That is roughly ten times lower than the others results here, and my averages before Legion.

Proof: http://imgur.com/a/j0Rw5

Due to the massive sample I doubt I got unlucky, so my bet is that Blizzard nerfed the rate of the valuable ones. It wasn't worth before, is even less now. Don't even waste your time on these.

ps: did this on my level 10 warrior with 205.92% haste.

Kommentar von ejoty

bought 20, got all white cards + the 6k g card. never gambling again my luck is gone.

Kommentar von archdruidbook

for some reason these cards give you a slight boost of artifact power

Kommentar von thLex

So today I've found some WarPaint on one of my alts and decided that I'll make some Karte der Omen
I was wondering if they did anything to them since WoD (and needed the bank space).
Because of the limited bag space I had to make it in 3 batches and that's the reason they are shown separately as well

And the results:

Karte des Blutes - 689
Karte des Blutes - 720
Karte des Blutes - 662
Karte des Blutes - 661
Karte des Blutes - 496
Karte des Blutes - 415
Karte des Blutes - 117
Karte des Blutes - 104
Karte des Blutes - 63
Karte des Blutes - 50
Karte des Blutes - 34
Karte des Blutes - 14
Karte des Blutes - 3
Karte des Blutes - 1
Karte des Blutes - 1

I flipped a total of 4030 cards and sold them for around 18692g (2626+8625+7441 +- a few coppers and silvers)
Which makes the average gold for one card: 4.63 g

PS: I've only posted this because I couldn't find any posts after patch 8.0 and if anyone out there wondering if they changed anything about these cards ... well ... looks like they did not ^^
Same old same old

Kommentar von Maethir

I still regularly make and flip these on Tailor since i am always in my garrison to make Hex-weave bags and use my Auctioneer. Today i made and flipped 2820 cards and got the following results

Purple
5 received
6000g - 1 = 6000g
3000g - 3 = 9000g
1000g - 1 = 1000g
Total Value = 15000g

Blue
29 received
100g - 13 = 1300g
50g - 26 = 1300g
Total Value = 2600g

Green
255 received
20g - 43 = 860g
10g - 56 = 560g
5g - 156 = 780g
Total Value = 2200g

White
1c to 1g - 2521 = 1102g

Total Value Prior to re-flipping green cards = 20,902g

One question i have always asked myself is if it is worth the risk to re-flip the green cards. Today I did so and here is what i found
Received from 20g green cards
1c - 6 = 6c
10s - 8 = 80s
50s - 14 = 7g
1g - 12 = 12g
5g - 2 = 10g
100g - 1 = 100g
Total Value = 129g 80s 6c
Net Loss/Gain = -730g 19s 94c

Received from 10g green cards
1c - 5 = 5c
10s - 9 = 90s
50s - 27 = 13g 50s
1g - 12 = 12g
5g - 2 = 10g
20g - 2 = 40g
100g - 2 = 200g
Total Value = 226g 40s 5c
Met loss/gain = -333g 59s 95c

Received from 5g green cards
Please note there there 2 cards that reflipped to a different 5g card and were in turn re-flipped so the numbers are a touch off here but not by much
1c - 29 = 29c
10s - 22 = 2g 20s
50s - 42 = 21g
1g - 43 = 43g
5g - 5 = 25g
10g - 5 = 50g
20g - 1 = 20g
50g - 1 = 50g
100g 1 = 100g
Total Value = 311g 20s 29c
Net loss/gain = -468g 79s 71c

Total Net Loss = 1532g 59s 60c

So from this I personally do not feel it is worth the risk to reflip the greens as you basically have to get a purple to offset the loss and i have never received a purple card from a re-flip. But that is just my take on it.

Edit: Just another thought while this the most cards i have done at 1 time (i usually do 800-1000 at a time) I think it is also the luckiest i have been. In past experiences i wold usually only get blue cards and maybe a 1000g purple occasionally. As you can see from the person below me he did over 4000 cards and had less net profit than me.

Kommentar von Zadi

I'm adding my findings as well. I made 1570 cards with a total value of 19104g of which 12000g came from two lucky 6000g purple cards. The average value per card was 12.17g per card.

Purple
6000g * 2 - 0.13%
3000g * 0 -
1000g * 4 - 0.25%

Blue
100g * 7 - 0.44%
50g * 11 - 0.70%

Green
20g * 31 - 1.97%
10g * 23 - 1.46%
5g * 98 - 6.2%

White
1g * 177 - 11.27%
50s * 617 - 39.30%
10s * 287 - 18.28%
1c * 313 - 19.94%

Kommentar von kstle777

I read all your comments but I still thinking turn in all the warpaints into this cards, in latin servers you get more gold than doing trinkets or upgrades...

Kommentar von Shadowloot

As no one posted this for 8.3, I created and flipped 1350 Karte der Omen without re-flipping the green ones.
I just could not fit any more in my bags.

Card	Amount	Droprate in Sample
Karte des Blutes	236	17,48 %
Karte des Blutes	237	17,56 %
Karte des Blutes	246	18,22 %
Karte des Blutes	205	15,19 %
Karte des Blutes	182	13,48 %
Karte des Blutes	121	8,96 %
Karte des Blutes	30	2,22%
Karte des Blutes	33	2,44%
Karte des Blutes	19	1,41%
Karte des Blutes	20	1,48%
Karte des Blutes	12	0,89%
Karte des Blutes	7	0,52%
Karte des Blutes	1	0,07%
Karte des Blutes	1	0,07%
Karte des Blutes	0	0,0%

Edit: Right now these are beeing offered on the AH for 9G 75S which puts the value of the 1350 cards to 13162.50 gold - if they are sold.
The value of the flipped cards in the sample was 6757.22 gold.

Kommentar von DyreWolf

Cleaning out Kriegsbemalung in my bank for Shadowlands in 9.0.2, decided to keep track of my stats on 1000 cards (w/o flipping greens).
Update: I did another 1000, and updated the stats below.

Card	Quantity	Total Value	% Drop
Karte des Blutes 1c	x 381	0g 03s 81c	19.05%
Karte des Blutes 10s	x 337	33g 70s	16.85%
Karte des Blutes 50s	x 358	179g	17.90%
Karte des Blutes 50s	x 296	148g	14.80%
Karte des Blutes 1g	x 274	274g	13.70%
Karte des Blutes 1g	x 167	167g	8.35%
Karte des Blutes 5g	x 46	380g	2.30%
Karte des Blutes 5g	x 47	235g	2.35%
Karte des Blutes 10g	x 38	380g	1.90%
Karte des Blutes 20g	x 30	600g	1.50%
Karte des Blutes 50g	x 12	600g	0.60%
Karte des Blutes 100g	x 11	1100g	0.55%
Karte des Blutes 1000g	x 1	1000g	0.05%
Karte des Blutes 3000g	x 0
Karte des Blutes 6000g	x 2	12000g	0.10%
Total	x 2000	16946g 73s 81c

I think I got lucky to get 2x 6000g, all in the first 1000, but none in the second 1000, so that is probably skewing things.

Kommentar von itsnotemy

Does anyone else occasionally get the message "The item was not found." when flipping these cards? I can never figure out what that means and if a card was taken away from me or not. Here's a screenshot of it happening. https://imgur.com/DdVVXHk

Kommentar von Khuon

Guide to 100% haste buff uptime for dedicated card flipping (Bloodlust / Heroisim, Time Warp, or Primal Rage)

This is a short guide for people with a mage, shaman, or hunter that wants to flip cards while mostly idle (i.e. spamming a macro to open them). Frost mage is preferred because of Time Warp and Icy Veins stacking.

Go to the Seat of Knowledge above Mogu'shan Palace in Vale of Eternal Blossoms, Pandaria (mages can teleport/portal near there)
Speak to Lorewalker Han and queue for Terrace of Endless Spring LFR (option 5)
Kill the four trash mobs around the bosses
Pop your haste buff(s) and start flipping cards until you run out your buff(s) (or close to it)
Pull the bosses
Run up the stairs to reset the bosses
Repeat steps 4-6

You can move while flipping cards so you can run down the stairs to get in position to re-pull to minimise downtime

When raid encounters end in any way, skills with CDs greater than 2 minutes will reset, and the debuff preventing you from benefitting from a raid-wide haste buff will be removed; this allows you to use the buffs as much as you want.

Using this method will allow you to teleport out/in the raid using the LFG minimap button (make sure to click "teleport," not "leave group") so you can pop out of the raid to use mailboxes, vendors, etc. then be able to pop right back into the raid when you're done by using the same button.

This way, you don't have to rely on mobile mailboxes like the Deadmines method (and you also don't have to run a whole instance to start flipping :P).

You can also use mounts inside Terrace of Endless Spring, so if you have a vendor mount (Traveler's Tundra Mammoth, Grand Expedition Yak, or Mighty Caravan Brutosaur), you can use that to sell.

This is the macro I use on my frost mage:
#showtooltip Card of Omens
/use Icy Veins
/use Time Warp
/run UIErrorsFrame:Hide() C_Timer.After(0, function() UIErrorsFrame:Clear() UIErrorsFrame:Show() end)
/use Card of Omens

The macro will pop Icy Veins and Time Warp, clear the errors frame, and you can spam the macro to flip cards.

Note: if you use this macro outside of this raid reset method, consider leaving out the Time Warp line because it will pop it again while you still have the debuff (if that matters to you).

Kommentar von Zulatomten

After crafting and flipping just above 125'000 cards over the last two years these are my results

Number of Cards: 126'660
White:
113'544x = 54'160g

Green:
11'148x = 81954g

Blue:
1822x = 119100g

Epic:
146x = 327000g

Total payout: 595453g or roughly 4,7g per card

Kommentar von proslasher

I've flipped well over 1.3 million of these cards across four accounts and have data to support the claims that most are saying.

TL;DR:
Profit 10%: Buy all at 4.1977 gold each or less
Profit 20%: Buy all at 3.8479 gold each or less.

Herbs (20%): Buy at 1 gold, 20 silver or less.

Data table:

Value #1 #2 #3 #4 Total Gold
0.0001 35627 66301 62033 71310 235271 23.5271
0.1 35424 66179 61488 71146 234237 23423.7
0.5 35614 66625 61858 70770 234867 117433.5
0.5 32031 59884 55798 63909 211622 105811
1 26545 49696 45953 53327 175521 175521
1 17574 33451 30795 35210 117030 117030
5 5369 9787 9201 10752 31401 157005
5 5348 10010 9272 10576 31032 155160
10 3601 6707 6207 7080 23595 235950
20 2623 4921 4611 5309 17464 349280
50 1707 3393 3149 3617 11866 593300
100 891 1624 1553 1749 5817 581700
1000 102 207 189 229 727 727000
3000 66 127 131 131 455 1365000
6000 30 66 71 73 240 1440000

Total Cards Total Gold Average Per Card
1331145 6143637.727 4.615303162

Percentages Table
Value Percentages std deviation (95% will fall within +/- this amount from the percentage)
0.0001 17.5703 0.0525
0.1 17.4931 0.0478
0.5 17.5401 0.0549
0.5 15.8042 0.0271
1 13.1081 0.0483
1 8.7399 0.0681
5 2.6220 0.0340
5 2.6292 0.0145
10 1.7621 0.0130
20 1.3042 0.0075
50 0.8862 0.0256
100 0.4344 0.0061
1000 0.0543 0.0026
3000 0.0340 0.0022
6000 0.0179 0.0022

Kommentar von Deeptrance146

I just made and opened 4000 of these and got three Blood Cards. Either I was exTREMEly unlucky or they nerfed the rate. I've been making and opening them at my garrison nearly every day (I'm retired) since WoD and never seen results like that.

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