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Kommentar von bwbw

can't be caught before Ein wahrer Angler von Draenor
caught in inland Talador
you can only hold 5 lunkers of each type in your inventory at once.

Kommentar von Taoma

Some useful info:

* Fished in the inland waters of Talador.
* The drop rate at 700 skill is around 1%.
* It appears as additional loot to the main catch.
* Using Köder für Schwarzwasserpeitschflossen does not influence the catch rate. It does however influence the main catch, so I recommend using it to maximize your profits!
* Buffs to fishing skill (enchants, lures, poles, etc.) DO influence the catch rate (changed in 6.1). So far Ive managed to get to 1089 skill and the drop rate has increased to 5-6% (average 100 casts/5 lunkers)
* Can be caught from fishing pools (as of 6.1)
* Can be caught while in a raid group. If you aren't catching one, it's just bad RNG.
* Use it to get Nats Glücksmünze and purchase pets, a mount and other fishing goodies!

Kommentar von 346630

20 min with Ephemeral Rod and Worm Supreme. Skill > 1000. No Catches.

Having JUST fished up 100 fish from each zone, I can say with clear memory and decent data that I fish about 45 fish per 10 minutes. Lures make great timers.

If drop rate is 1% then 20 minutes per Lunker is a fair estimate. It is probably on the low side, so 30, 40 minutes is statistically likely. Worse still, the nature of the RNG is that you can easily expect to go an hour, and 3 hour spells WILL occur. So unless this gets nerfed, expect AT LEAST...

Hat/Pole = 25 Coins = 8+ hours each
Shark Pet = 50 Coins = 16+ hours
Mount = 100 Coins = 32+ hours

All four items above = 64 hours.

I think Nat is trying to be the new Winterspring Frostsabers.

Kommentar von glycereth

Here's what I found out about catching lunkers:

1. You don't need 1000 skill to catch lunkers.(I've been fishing them up at 880-905), not sure if it helps with the droprates if you get higher.
2. Nat Pagle has to be assigned and working in your garrison fishing shack.
3. El said the bait doesn't affect lunker droprates.(so use it anyway to avoid catching 70% junk fish)
4. Don't fish in pools.

Edit: When 6.1 hits, the higher your fishing skill will also increase the chance of catching lunkers.

Kommentar von Marloss

Assuming that the drop chance of a lunker is exactly 1%, there's a 50% chance you will catch it within 69 successful fishing casts. In order to raise that probability to 90%, you will need to catch 230 fish. 459 for 99%.

Don't worry. The average amount of casts needed is 100. That may sound like a lot of casts, but assuming you get something on the hook after half the cast time on average, that will take approximately 20 minutes. In other words, two applications of bait.

Here's a graph I made: http://i.imgur.com/Ijyaz7A.png. As you probably (sorry) can tell, the horizontal axis is amount of successful casts, and the vertical axis is odds.

The maths behind:

The probability of not getting a lunker on a cast is 99%. The probability of not getting a lunker on two casts in a row is 0.99 * 0.99 = 0.99^2 = 0.9801 = 98.01%. The probability of not getting a lunker on three casts in a row is 0.99 * 0.99 * 0.99 = 0.99^3 = 0.9703 = 97.03%. The probability of not getting a lunker on x casts in a row is 0.99^x. If we ask the question 'how many casts are needed to get the odds of failure down to 50%?', we need to translate it to maths language. 0.99^x = 0.5. There. This equation is easy to solve.

ln(0.99^x) = ln(0.5) => x * ln(0.99) = ln(0.5) => x = ln(0.5) / ln(0.99) = 68.9676 ≈ 69.

The same can be done to calculate the amount of casts needed to reduce the odds of failure to 10% and 1% (90% and 99% chance of success, respectively).

1 / 0.01 = 100 casts on average (1% fits into 100% 100 times). The total channeling time on the fishing ability is 22 seconds. Half of that is 11 seconds. And then we add a second for the downtime with looting and recasting between every cast for good measure. If one cast takes 12 seconds on average, 100 casts will take 12 * 100 = 1200 seconds, or 1200 / 60 = 20 minutes.

Happy fishing!

(P.S.: Don't forget to read Taoma's very useful post as well!)

Kommentar von 503532

Abashera’s Lunker Fishing Journal

I noticed a few people have said they averaged approximately three fish per hour. Others have lamented that "the drops are dismal," pointing out that they've been at it for an hour or two with no catch.

Rather than take guesstimates of how many lunkers drop per hour, I decided to turn on my Blizzard UI Stopwatch and record the amount of time that had past between each lunker catch, so as to get a more accurate idea of DROPS-PER-HOUR - which I believe is what the average person wants to know: “How long is it going to take me to get my mount and/or pet?”

This is the purpose of this journal, to get an accurate idea of how long it takes to get 100 lunkers for Nat’s mount. This way players can plan their fishing schedule accordingly. (Note: This journal is not however to figure out the drop-rate of lunkers, which is determined by the number of lunkers per cast, which percentage wowhead has already data-mined).

I also notice some debate on wowhead as to whether or not “BEER really brings in the big catch” as Nat Pagle suggests in his dialogue. I have to admit, when I read that, I too thought Blizzard may have added a “beer mechanic” into the game that increases the chances. Therefor, along with logging my catch times, I also split my lunker catches in half: 50 lunkers with Kapitän Rumseys Lagerbier, and 50 without.

Regarding Sample Size: 100 Lunkers may look like a small sample; but consider too that I caught 10,408 Enormous fish, along with hundreds of smaller fish, bait, lures, etcetera—so the 100 lunkers represent well over 11k casts.

If others want to duplicate this experiment and add their numbers with mine to further increase the accuracy of catches per hour, , please do. However I’m off to fish up 75 more lunkers for pet and the fishing pole; but I personally won’t be continuing this experiment, the grind is GRUESOME!

I applied bait, while casting, using the following macro:

/use Anglerfloß
/use Sea Scorpion Bait
/use fire Ammonite Bait
/use Jawless Skulker Bait
/use Blackwater Whiptail Bait
/use Abyssal Gulper Eel Bait
/use Blind Lake Sturgeon Bait
/use Fat Sleeper Bait
/cast Fishing

I hope you will benefit from my records.

LUNKER LOG

Here’s my log of . I rounded each catch to the nearest minute (however I rounded all catches under a minute, up to one minute).

50 LUNKERS WITH RUMSEY BUFF:
a) 13 / 13 / 28 / 1 / 65 / 12 / 64 / 47 / 12 / 6 / 43 / 7 / 2 / 4 / 119 / 26 / 26 / 4 / 8 / 66 / 33 / 77 / 18 / 9 / 15 (= 718)

b) 18 / 27 / 10 / 75 / 11 / 71 / 2 / 131 / 44 / 9 / 3 / 16 / 9 / 52 / 9 / 54 / 2 / 45 / 26 / 45 / 5 / 11 / 22 / 1 / 66 (= 764)

1482m / 50L = 29.65m per Lunker
Approximately two Lunkers per hour.

50 LUNKERS WITHOUT RUMSEY BUFF:
c) 72 / 32 / 61 / 47 / 9 / 1 / 36 / 1 / 12 / 1 / 1 / 8 / 27 / 138 / 34 / 4 / 24 / 30 / 21 / 26 / 47 / 46 / 1 / 5 / 13 (= 697)

d) 50 / 11 / 14 / 8 / 49 / 15 / 1 / 24 / 6 / 12 / 5 / 4 / 28 / 90 / 15 / 51 / 55 / 1 / 61 / 6 / 28 / 23 / 46 / 38 / 39 (= 680)

1377 min. / 50L = 27.54m per. Lunker
Approximately two Lunkers per hour.

GRAND TOTALS - 100 LUNKERS
— 2859min / 100 = 28.59 min. per Lunker
— Approximately two Lunkers per hour = Plan approximately 50 fishing-hours to catch 100 Lunkers

CONCLUSIONS

Kapitän Rumseys Lagerbier didn’t make any difference. In fact the drops were better without it, though marginally, likely due to RNG.

Because Captain Rumsey’s Lager didn’t make a difference, I recommend not using it for the simple reason that 1) obviously, it makes no difference, and 2) you have to stop every three minutes to drink, and that only interrupts your fishing rhythm. For the same reason, I also didn’t apply lures, hooks, or Extraordinärer Wurm, it makes you have to stop fishing to apply them, and lures and bait have a cast time to apply. The less time you spend applying buffs that don’t increase your lunker chances, the more times you can Cast & Catch, the more catches you can pull in per hour… the faster you’ll get your booty! (mount/pet/etc)

So what about Nat’s mention of drinking beer to bring in the big catch?

Nat also says “Don’t EVER go fishing without a cooler.” Are we to conclude that we need to have a Tragbarer Kühlschrank in addition to drinking Captain Rumsey’s Lager? And what about the Verschmähte Glücksmünze, which bears more than a remarkable resemblance to Nats Glücksmünze? …I mean, it’s the same icon, and the name is only one word off.

But I would expect a lush to recommend beer and a cooler. Truth is, I don’t think Nat’s a good fisherman (or he’s just too drunk to fish), which is why I have to catch his food for him.

But go ahead and drink the lager if the placebo effect makes you feel good… or for the actual +10 fishing bonus.

THE CATCH

3 Tentakelhut
6 Kappe des obersten Anglers
20 Nervensägefisch
31 Kurzlebige Angelrute
100 Lunkers
157 Geschärfter Angelhaken
174 Extraordinärer Wurm
193 "Duftender" Pheromonfisch
204 Genialofisch
10,408 Enormous Fish

NOTABLE (favorite) FISHING SPOTS

(These are spots where you won’t be interrupted by hostile NPCs)

Frostfeuergrat
36, 38 (Jump to island in middle of lava)

Gorgrond
61, 55 (I prefer darker places)
40, 76 (This spot is the quickest to access for Horde)

Nagrand
72:15 (on raft, under rock overhang)

Schattenmondtal
36, 48 (BEAUTIFUL ZONE! Path entrance @ 41:53)
33, 36 (Deep, clear pool)
53, 77 (Drop down waterfall from lvl 100 zone)
For Seeskorpionoschi I usually fished just above Temple of Karabor. Note: The NPCs on the boat are friendly to Horde unless you attack them.

Spitzen von Arak
60, 13 (Note: seems to be the greatest chance for fishing pole and hat - easy to catch 5 poles in one session.)

Talador
72, 63 (By waterfall)
57, 41 (Under bridge by waterfall)

FISHING FACTS

— ~~The Nat Pagle Follower must be assigned to your Fishing Shack to catch Lunkers~~.

— Lunkers are unique - only 5 of each type can be caught and owned before needing to return to base to turn them in.

— The addon Fishing Buddy is nice, and helps pass the time.

— I fished up between one and six Kurzlebige Angelrute per day, and just kept equipping the newest pole.

— My fastest lunker catch was 3 seconds after the first cast; My longest time between catches was 2 hours and 18 minutes (ETERNITY). If you go over two hours, it’s just bad RNG. It evens out when you catch two or three within a few minutes or seconds.

— I alternated fishing spots (zones), catching equal amounts of all “enormous” fish types, mainly so I could send them to alts to level fishing through the Fishing Shack dailies.

— Saberfish are the best way to level cooking, I leveled up the cooking skill on four toons, and have more than enough Riesiger Sichelfisch for the rest of my toons (if they were all lvl 100). I’m even sending some to friends so they can level cooking.

— I did the Pandaria Nat Pagle dailies at the same time, and got my rep from buddy to to Best Friend (exalted) in just four days!

— Nat Pagle is a real putz. Oh, and “GET THE HELL OFF MY RAFT NAT!” If you ever fish in the 1st person view, Nat WILL make you lose a few fish! They should have named him Gnat.

This complete post, along with screenshots and discussion, can be viewed here: http://www.warcraftpets.com/community/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12997

HAPPY FISHING

Kommentar von 937612

Now with 6.1, the higher your fishing skill will also increase the chance of catching lunkers!

Sure it's still RNG, but took me less than half hour for all five with 1100 fishing, using Tentakelhut , Kurzlebige Angelrute and Extraordinärer Wurm

Also, they now can be caught from pools.

Thanks, Blizzard!

Source: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/17561381/61-ptr-patch-notes-february-13-2-13-2015

Kommentar von Shadowloot

I just camped several hours for a rare spawn and spent the time fishing, this must have been the longest time I fished, ever.

After the rare spawned and I got my mount I finished the last batch of lunkers for a total of 40.
Counting the fish in my bags I did around 1040 casts, maybe 1050.
This is roughly one lunker every 26 casts or a catch-rate of around 3.8%.

Most of that time I was at 1035 skill points using the tentacle head, a +30+5 fishing rod and worm supreme as lure.
I went thru maybe two stacks of worm supreme.

Now I wish these would stack higher.

Kommentar von 1466651

Hello fishermen!

I decided to analyze how many casts it would take for me to get 5 Oschi des Schwarzwassers

My base skill was 700.
For fishing skill buffs I used:

Kappe des obersten Anglers which give +100 fishing skill.
Kurzlebige Angelrute which give +100 fishing skill.
Extraordinärer Wurm which give +200 fishing skill.

That made a total of 1100 fishing skill. I also used Köder für Schwarzwasserpeitschflossen during this test. This item will not improve the catchrate of the lunker tho.
I fished in Talador at (71.40),(59.47).
I didn´t drink anything to increase the catchrate.
I got 5 Oschi des Schwarzwassers in 18 minutes.
On my 11th, 37th, 49th, 75th and 79th cast.
My catchrate this try was around 6,33%. (Math: 5/79)

If you have any questions about this, feel free to leave a comment.
If any of this information is incorrect, please let me know.

Kommentar von pipes

You can now have more than 5 Blackwater Whiptail Lunker, at you at any time.
This also concern the others, such as:
Blind Lake Lunker, Fire Ammonite Lunker, Fat Sleeper Lunker,
Sea Scorpion Lunker, Jawless Skulker Lunker, Abyssal Gulper Lunker,
and the new one Felmouth Frenzy Lunker.

Screenshot as proof if anyone needs it.

Kommentar von hmrhead

Tips for catching lunkers....As if we still needed to prove to ole Nat that we're still best friends. ;-)

1. Leave Nat working in the fishing shack. You can't catch these if he isn't there. But bring a follower with you on the trip. If no players are around, you can throw the "Duftender" Pheromonfisch to get an extra 100 skill.

2. Spend a little time fishing in your garrison for Frosttiefenelritze. Throw them into your garrison's waters and kill the cavedweller that spawns. Among other things that are less likely, he will drop things like Kurzlebige Angelrute, Extraordinärer Wurm, Kappe des obersten Anglers, or Tentakelhut.

3. Use the Kurzlebige Angelrute and put a Extraordinärer Wurm on it. Assuming you are at max level fishing, your skill level is now at 1100 as a base. "Duftender" Pheromonfisch is simply a bonus at this point as skill level affects drop rate now.

4. Pandora, Spotify, or whatever provider you choose, make sure you have some sort of noise in the background to regulate your sanity while enduring the sport that is known as fishing in WOW. ;-)

I have approximately 6700 casts in various locations across Draenor since starting to use this method and my current average on lunkers sits just shy of 6%. It still isn't for the week at heart but I find that in two hours, I generally go back to Nat with 20-23 of them. (There is no longer a limit of 5 that can be carried.)

Hope this helps oh fishing pals of mine! Enjoy your fishing excursions and remember to always bring a cooler. ;-)

Kommentar von 436846

Hand-in macro
If you need to turn in a lot of lunkers, paste this in a macro:
/script SelectGossipAvailableQuest(X)
/script CompleteQuest()
/script GetQuestReward()

Then replace 'X' according to which type of lunker you're handing in:
1 - Fire Ammonite Lunker
2 - Jawless Skulker Lunker
3 - Fat Sleeper Lunker
4 - Black Lake Lunker
5 - Blackwater Whiptail Lunker
6 - Abyssal Gulper Lunker
7 - Sea Scorpion Lunker
8 - Felmouth Frenzy Lunker

It'll work like this:
Right-click Nat Pagle, spam macro 3 times, and you've handed in 1 lunker.
It'll go faster than handing them in manually, and you won't have to download some addon either.
Happy fishing!

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