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Kommentar von 911076

Das Rezept fand ich mit 3 Twinks nach jeweils einer guten Stunde farmen.

Man muss beachten das man die Quests bei Tyrs Hand nicht absolviert. Ansonnsten "phast" sich das Gebiet und die
Scharlachroten Erzmagier bleiben verschwunden.

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Kommentar von Lysistrata

Widely considered one of the best PVP enchants for warriors available - one generally either gets Crusader or a weapon chain, or disarm-immune gloves and Crusader.

The +200str proc is 400 attack power for warriors and 200 attack power for rogues. Dual-wielders who choose to enchant both weapons can and often will get both weapons to proc, for an 800 (warrior) or 400 (rogue) attack power boost.

Kommentar von 7187

I had to farm for about 14 hours before I got this. It only drops off the spellbinders and they are only in the tower off the road, although you will occasionally find one walking down south away from the tower. Easily farmable with a mage, rogue or lock.

Kommentar von 7968

An often farmed formula. Crusader is one of the few enchants that is actually worth it, and still cheap. Great for tanking as a warrior, and rogues when grinding.

Most people grind for days and days. This formula has a 0.01% drop rate. Many people think that then if they kill 1k of these Spellbinder mobs (found @ 54,23 in WPL) they'll eventually get this (as it's not only a great enchant, it sells for a pretty penny too!) This is not true, as like with all drops, every mob is a 0.01% drop rate. So, dropping is PURE luck. Have fun ;)!

Kommentar von Vargh

Best enchant for a main hand weapon, as a Rogue Agility is nice on off-hand.

Kommentar von 8421

I have grinded this so much. Spellbinders spawn 3 on bottom and 3 on top of the tower. Then there are about 2-4 that spawn along the road to the tower also. There may be Avengers, but just kill them and eventually Spellbinders will spawn there too. I grinded this place for about 12 hours once and it never dropped. I got one crummy blue that sold for like 60g =/ I went back another day and got it to drop in about 3 hours. Sold for about 450g. Now they sell for around 250-300g.

Kommentar von 8004

as many people said, the spellbinders have an extremely low drop rate on this. some people prefer to just buy it off the ah, but i think farming this pattern is worth it.
also, investing money in this enchant will give great returns. i've seen people charging lots of gold + mats for this enchant.

Kommentar von 8491

The enchant itself is awesome. If you plan on farming for this... please use caution. There is usully always someone there. But from personal experience. Please be nice, if you see someone farming it right now. Just come back to the tower later and farm it. Alliance or Horde. If you see someone there, they have probably been there for a long time trying to get it. I know when Im farming it, its a pain having a rouge or somthing start attacking you. But usully when someone sees me farming it, they wave and go on, even if they are of the oposite faction. So if you see somene there, dont attack them, or even try to start farming it along side someone else thats not in your party, its just inpolite.

Kommentar von SeriusJones

For an enchanter:

I tried to farm for this, but on my server this place was overcamped and the spawns were fast and unreliable (lots of dying). I would recommend buying this on the Auction House rather than farm for it.

For a farmer:

Some place like Tyr's Hand may be reliable cash-wise... But if you have your heart set on finding this, kill the one type of mob that drops it (Scarlet Spellbinder). The best spawn for this is a small tower, at the top of this arrow shaped cluster of pinpoints on this map: http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=4494. Good Luck.

Kommentar von Stimps

This enchant drops from Scarlet Spellbinders - level 57/58 non elites in WPL (link: http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=4494)

I've just had my third enchant drop from the spellbinders... after 1982 kills, which gives a drop rate of approximately 0.15%.

The first 2 dropped relatively quickly (after a total of 500 kills or so) but it's taken a lot of farming for this latest one to show up.

My only advice for farming this enchant is to make sure you have the tower to yourself; try to stagger your kills to avoid all 3 spellbinders respawning together; and to take out Durgen (top of the tower) as soon as you can, as he's a bit of a pain with his stuns.

It's pretty straightforward to keep the spellbinders under control - they use frostbolts, slow, and a form of frost nova.

Kommentar von qagmire

I was just grinding in Tyr's Hand on my hunter, and this dropped off of a Scarlet Archmage.

It looks like 2.0.3 added some new drop locations!

Kommentar von Fendryl

Ya, a guildmate mentioned the other night getting one off a Scarlet Curate (I believe that was the type) in Tyr's hand as well. Someone else mentioned it dropping off Scarlet Crusaders now too.

Kommentar von 5094

The drop chance seems to be buffed after 2.0.3, as a guildmate of mine mentioned grinding 5 of those in a couple of hours... A couple of days in a row.

Kommentar von 8486

Note that players over 60 get reduced benefit from this enchant (and all other pre-expansion procs).

Kommentar von 27334

Enchantment Glow: Faint white.
Alike Enchant Glow: None?

Kommentar von 31625

Got 2 of them in 10 mins from spellbinders in wpl.

Kommentar von druidei

Anybody knows how much it aprox. cost to buy an Crusader enchant?

Kommentar von 34994

cleared the tower on 50 seconds :( I want more places that drops it.

Kommentar von 36228

I was leveling my BE pally in WPL and was clearing the tower in the North Eastern Corner with all the Scarlet Crusader mobs and it dropped off the 4th guy I killed. I just laughed when I saw it because it's worth has dropped so much since TBC came out.

Kommentar von 23939

Does anyone know if this is rec lvl 35 or so? Like some of the enchants have become after TBC

Kommentar von Raynn

I'm sitting here in shock, because I had set in my mind I'd be there farming for about 2-3 hours. I got it on my very first kill.

Kommentar von Lagato

Dropped for me after about 40 kills, along with an Assassination Blade. Happy days on Draka...

Kommentar von w0rf

Can anyone tell me if Crusader will proc off certain spells such as Hamstring or Rend?

Kommentar von 42037

Just got this yesterday after about 1hr of farming. I almost gave up due to the slow respawn. It is about 7min with 6-7 spellbinders to kill each round. Not to mention fighting with other farmers. Luckily I got it to drop before I gave up. I spent another 1hr hoping to get a 2nd one, never dropped.

Kommentar von 26605

The above coordinates are correct (54,23) for purposes of finding the Spellbinders; you may come across a couple on your way in, but this is where the vast majority are. Was able to acquire the recipe in about 2-3 hours given the poor spawn rate. Took 116 kills (about 0.8% rather than the 0.4% norm).

Kommentar von Hellaciouss

I don't know if it's just me or what, but the proc rate seems to have been nerfed into oblivion. I've been killing things for an hour and it hasn't procced for me once, and I an duel wielding it. Can anyone else confirm this?

Kommentar von Phioner

If you are going to grind this in TBC, I suggest you to head to EPL and to kill archmages in Tyr's hand. They are easily soloable if you are 70lvl, you resist a lot of their spells. I got mine from the 3rd archmage I killed. Good luck, it's worth to grind this.

Kommentar von 46402

I am a lvl 53 hunter and in WPL I would love to get this thing bacause I usually see it in ah for about 100-120 Gold on my Realm:Thorium Brotherhood, I have the Weapon Formula's for : Icy,Firey,Unholy,Spirit,Lesser BS and minor BS I am still trying to get the Blue glow +6 and +7 though. I will hed out to WPL and just start ramsacking the Scarlets there and try to get this maybe i will get lucky ?

Kommentar von 50172

I am lucky all of the sudden it droped from... Scarlet Curate!!!! This is real! This is not just 2 mobs drop rate as all players are thinking. I was farming it a loooooooooooong time ago for a looooooooooooong time it didn't drop before. Now i got this from Scarlet Curate. Was farming in Tyr's Hand ^^.

Kommentar von 49480

just killed 10 archmages and got it :X

Kommentar von 47084

I've killed more than 150 archmages at EPL,but the formula didn't drop,but instead of that i had 2 epic drops:http://www.wowhead.com/?item=1168 and http://www.wowhead.com/?item=2246!!

Kommentar von 52304

i got one on the very first kill. then i stopped. first 100% droprate while farming i ever encountered in this game :D

Kommentar von rmk1999

i must have gotten very lucky with this...i'm reading all these comments about killing 1000's of mobs for it. I got it 3 days in a row all within the 4th clearing of the tower. Sold 115g each time. I gave up now that the tower has gotten crowded(nice world pvp though) and went to farming the mats for it. A righteous orb averages at 35g a piece on my realm...i've seen it jacked up and listed at 110g(which was nice cause listing mine at 75g looked like a good deal). Can't sell the actual enchant for the life of me, but the mats never stay on AH for more than an hour or so.

Kommentar von 63701

This also heals you on hits...

Kommentar von 37231

I got it on the first mob o.O... I was to damn lucky, i can't believe it,

Kommentar von 67682

i got this from the first spell binder i killed :D sold it for 115g nice quick easy!

Kommentar von lepyr

I just have to post this... I was questing in WPL and two of these dropped for me in less than 5 minutes from the tower area at 55, 23. Crazy, huh?

Your results may vary =)

Kommentar von Akio

7/17/07- I just two drop in a row off of the scarlet spellbinders, only two i killed, drop rate increased maybe?

Kommentar von 46402

Man I just don't know why Mtxx got -1 I uped him to 0. He had the Best possible info in the hole system, Yes you should have reaspect and let them farm for it......It only took me 9 kill's though lol.
-Kreno Steelcross,Thorium Brotherhood

Kommentar von 64664

It only took me about 10 or so Spellbinders before it drops.
It's not a place where you would like to die in, the rez place is miles! away.

So it seems that this item is also sold by an npc.
Eyonix
<Innkeeper>
Has this been confirmed or is it just false info?
Seems like a much cheaper way then farming over 400 mobs (from what i've seen in other posts).

Kommentar von 51192

I'm thinking I'm extremely lucky. Decided to spend an hour or so farming; got the first drop on my fifth kill and the second on kill #20 or so. In the meantime I also got myself a .

Hoping to sell it all for a few G, to help me on my way to my epic mount (poor me).

Kommentar von 64664

This was a very easy enchant to get. Started killing Spellbinders in front of the tower, and fought my way upstairs.
That's where mine dropped.
For the second time actually, the first time it also took me just a few Spellbinders to get the drop.
Perhaps they changed the droprate?
On Arathor this enchant isn't too often on the AH. Only seen it twice now, for around 250g buyout.

Kommentar von 43204

The drop rate for this still seems really low. I went to the tower right after a server restart and got my first one after clearing the tower 3 or 4 times. I did another 100-150 kills after that and no drop. This is consistent with the drop rate displayed here.

Kommentar von 82022

Permanently enchant a melee weapon so that often when attacking in melee it heals for 75 to 125 and increases Strength by 100 for 15 seconds. Both healing and strength bonuses have great value for tanks and rogues in PvE, so this enchant is in constant demand from these classes.

At level 70, Crusader gives +60 Strength and heals for 45-75 health.

Kommentar von 66167

I got really lucky with this. I went to Tyr's Hand in Eastern Plaguelands and walked past everything to the eastern-most castle where the Archmages are. Crusader dropped on my second kill.

Kommentar von 18110

Drop rate seems to have been bumped, or I am very lucky. Went to the tower to farm 3 of these today, one for me, one for a friend, and one for the AH. Got all 3 within an hour, or roughly 50 kills.

As I said, not sure if it's been bumped in droprate or I got really lucky, but still easy to farm.

Edit: 10 minutes later I have 2 more. This may be a bugged drop rate now.

Kommentar von 75521

A fine combination if you are dual wielding is Mongoose + Crusader, as crusader increases your attack power and mongoose your attack speed.

Kommentar von Snikmord

Note that the formula for Crusader says "occasionally", while the enchant says "often".

Kommentar von 23321

It dropped for me in Tyr's hand in the big building with the higher lvl mobs .. Dont remember exactly what mob dropped it.

Kommentar von Shikhee

Will Crusader enchants stack if you have it on both weapons when Dual Wielding?

yes.. it'll stack
http://wow.incgamers.com/forums/showpost.php?s=c449647bc613b02ae2c9288492f39d58&p=3932493&postcount=6
about the moongose idk.

i farmed it in the tower for about 2 hours.. only killing the mobs inside the tower.
good luck and happy farming..

Kommentar von Vigholm

Killed around 14 Archmages, dropped TWICE.

I consider myself lucky, as this recipe what I came in to the place for. So much for grinding then eh :P

Kommentar von Liandrix

Got lucky and got it on my first or second kill, GL =D

Kommentar von rgall

Took me ~6 hours of farming at Tyr's hand on my shaman, was killing mobs in under 7 seconds. Was a pain in the ass to farm for but it was worth it :P.

Kommentar von 122573

Both The Archmages in Tyr's Hand and Spellbinders have about a equal drop rate. I got one from each and atm farming the spellbinders

Kommentar von 35427

Camped myself at the tower in WPL, killed the 6 mobs, logged out, did something else while they were spawning, logged in and so on. 7th time I did it, the recipe dropped. I think I'm quite lucky as the recipe for Chaotic Skyfire Diamond dropped at the 3rd mob for me too. So all in all, half an hour played time of farming for both of these :p

Kommentar von Tinkin

I got mine after the 4 mob for me 10 minutes ago on Darksorrow :)

Kommentar von Shaile

got it on my alt shaman while doing the quest for the holy symbol up in the tower while onw to outlands (cleaning out questlog). luckily my shaman is also an enchanter so ill be hitting him up with a arcanite reaper and enchant it with this ones i get 300 enchanting and go oldskool on the outland mobs.

Kommentar von 64359

Got these on my 31st Spellbinder. The spawn rate was fairly fast. My mage was doing ae and didn't have to wait for respawn.

Kommentar von Lombra

I wonder what the logic behind reducing this static effect past level 60 is. 100 strength is always 100 strength, unlike what we had before the rating system.

Kommentar von 134616

i got on my 12th kill off the scarlet spellbinders theres a tower in the entrance to the camp =)

Kommentar von 122866

There are 3 Spellbinders at the bottom of the tower (WPL: 55,23) with one usually circling around the outside. There are 3 Spellbinders at the top of the tower with Durgan. All of them have a 6min 3sec respawn time (approximately). Took me a little over an hour to get the drop.

Good Luck. :P

Kommentar von 134616

i went to the same place as hophead described its really good, and with the so-so respawn time you can eat, and mana up

Kommentar von Ladno

Got this in the Western Plaguelands at the tower, level 62. Spent about 30 minutes farming the Spellbinders and got 1. Not hard at all, more tedious than anything. Good luck!

Kommentar von Angelofstorm

I think 2.4 just nerfed the spawn for the Spellbinders if anything.
Now there are only 2 on the bottom and top of the tower and one that always spawns at the back of the tower base (inside the walls but outside of the room).

Kommentar von 21986

Tyr's Hand is the place to farm for this at 70... there is no waiting for respawns if you kill all the archmages and all the mobs that can respawn as archmages (which is all of them except maybe a half dozen guards on the wall and by the entrances). By the time you are finished with the last mobs, they have started respawning again, so it is 100% killing 0% waiting as opposed to WP where it's more like 95% waiting 5% killing. The pulls inside the church are a little trickier than the ones outside but it shouldn't be too difficult for a level 70, and if it is, you can always just farm outside.

Kommentar von 125338

I got the ench a while ago from the first mob i ever killed in WPL(scarlet mob that is)
: )

Kommentar von 144669

Unless you're an enchanter and there's none on the AH i suggest not farming for this because at level 70 you can easily make a lot more money in that time just doing dailies.

Kommentar von Sammii

Got it on my 5th kill in party.
Seems like I'm lucky :)
Good luck everyone else

Kommentar von 137043

I got the recept in like 5 min ( farmed with my 70 warrior)

Kommentar von brunik

after geting killed by a lvl 70 rogue, and after killing 2 lvl 68 and a lot of lowbies, and after wiping the tower clean of spellbinders about 10 times... it finally droped!!!

Kommentar von sandreid

I had a lvl 70 at the tower in WPL and a lvl 70 in Tyr's Hand in EPL. I first cleared the tower and the surrounding for all npc (not only the spellbinders). Then logged on my other character in Tyr's Hands and killed all NPCs at the castle except the Scarlet Praetorians (Since they are a pain to kill for warriors with their Holy Shock). Continued this in about 1½ hour until i got the recipe from a Spellbinder.
This way you'll be able to kill all the mobs that drop the recipe and also kill the mobs that could respawn as either Spellbinder or Archmage. Think this is the most effective way to get the recipe.

Good Luck :)

Kommentar von AsmodeuS

Just got recept from Scarlet Archmage after 60 kills 8% drop for me 2.4.2

Kommentar von ScarCrow

Does this enchant stack with the buff that Lionheart Executioner give http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28430 ? that would be +160 str = +320 att pwr = +22,85 DPS

Kommentar von 90255

Just was running through WPL and on a hunch decided to stop in Hearthglen and kill a Spellbinder. Got the drop on my first kill. I think I have WoW ESP or something =)

Kommentar von 118172

ok wtf, my 3rd drop TODAY! Was just farming these mobs for runecloth lol, been farming em for like 3 hours

edit: 4th drop today -.-

Kommentar von 115964

Ok started farming today for this and was a bit unsettled by seeing the drop chance of 0.8%. But went to Tyr's Hand like everyone said and started killing the archmages, and got this on my 4th kill! Was a bit surprised but happy nonetheless. Either I was very lucky or the drop rate has beein increased.

Kommentar von pokerman89

I have farmed this chant alot of times in EP wit the elite archmages and i noticed something interesting about the drops. The first time i farmed i killed evry1 there in the hope that more mages would spawn. i found that the Curates and mages are on a rotational spawn (kill a mage and a curate may spawn instead next time and vice versa)

Also after an hour of farming and no crusader i killed a curate and a pattern for JC droppd. It also happnd similarly for the praetorians and i got a BS pattern. I think that there is also a rotation on this that evry certain number of kills SOME pattern drops and that u have to be lucky enough that when the time comes for the drop that you kill a mage and no other mob.

Overall if you are willing to grind through it it is worth the money you can sell this pattern for.

Good luck farming:)

Kommentar von 154629

I feel bad for you guys who sit there and farm it, haha. To be honest, I got this on my alt just by going up to the tower while I was doing the quest, heh, I guess we're all lucky in our own ways ;P

Kommentar von 112611

Weapon enchants are now visible at the character selection screen.

Kommentar von 166196

I head up the path to Hearthglen in WPL, killing Scarlets along the way--per the Scarlet Spellbinder loc map; camped the tower for about five or ten minutes, and on my 10th Scarlet Spellbinder, the formula dropped. I think I'll camp here for a while longer. :)

Update, ~30min later: No such luck on a quick second drop--maybe that 0.8% is right after all. :]

Update, 11min after that: Drop #2! Don't know how many killed--I alternated between the guard post at the south of the path, and clearing the tower, killing every mob there.

Kommentar von 205101

Was bored and thought i might give a try at farming spellbinders. This...dropped 2 times in less than 30 mins of farming.

Kommentar von Chaserbl

IT'S TRUE!
I got drop in Tyrs hand from that melee elite!
Any scarlet can drop it now!

Kommentar von 235017

Well, honestly i don't know what has been going on, but since tuesday after the rolling restarts i haven't gotten this to drop once. I am a hard core tyr's hand farmer since my friends showed me around some places, and i usualy get two or three to drop in a hour or two.........ive been farming for 4 days now and havent gotten one. I'm not sure if its my server or other servers, but i'm not the only one on my server that has the same problem.

Galladen
<The Alliance Templar>
70 Dwarf Hunter

Server: Terenas (U.S.)

Kommentar von Testrafane

I actually got 2 Formulas to drop in 3 kills about 3 days ago. Don't know if it was pure luck but I was randomly killing Spellbinders for the hell of it.

Kommentar von alexstri

I just had this drop off a Scarlet Curate (http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=9450) in Tyr's Hand not but 30 seconds ago. Probably introduced with the WOTLK patch.

Kommentar von 261785

I just tried with my 60 shamy for an hour, and noothing dropped :(

Kommentar von 44372

At level 80, the crusader proc grants you 20 strength.

Kommentar von 288474

I'm not sure how some people got it so quickly. I've gone to WPL for two entire weeks straight, gone through 3000 spawns (and I have been counting...), and not a single formula has dropped yet. I'm guessing this is just unlucky, but this is seriously, seriously annoying me. Has anyone else experienced anything like this?

Kommentar von wacktastic

will this enchant work on the heirloom weapons?

Kommentar von ckoB

I'm having a problem with the proc of this enchant, I've been killing mobs for 30min and not a single proc yet, I've enchanted this enchant to the Emblem of Heroism heirloom dagger. I've been keeping the dagger on main hand and I have slice n diced many god damn mobs. Don't know is this a bug or Am I just having very bad luck :P

Kommentar von 11591

Can someone confirm recent drop from Scarlet Archmages? Trying to farm it for 3 days, killed about 250 of them and still no luck :(

Kommentar von 167141

This sound good even for level 80. Heals+20Strenght.

Kommentar von 315417

S***! i guess im just lucky but i got it of the first Archmage i killed.

Kommentar von bennymoo18

does anyone know the percentage that it procs?

Kommentar von puffinsmuggler

perhaps it might just be my luck or such i believe the tower is not a bad rate

i was there for abotu 5 hours today (on and off)

so i probably downed the towera bout 10 times between work etc

out of it i came up with 3 enchants and whole it seems the drop rate might be raised to 2% or maybe hgiher will upload results later

Kommentar von 243628

OMG! I read all these comments, fearfull of how long it would take me, and it dropped on the FIRST guy I killed! awesome!

Kommentar von daemonaray

Successfully dropped after kill ~150 Scarlet Spellbinder nearly and in tower. (2h farming)

Kommentar von 340333

got to the top in 2 mins and it dropped twice made 340 g out of it not to mention getting it again and using on my twink that twink crit 399 that day no horde bastards survived the sfury of sorcas the dwarf rogue

Kommentar von Nazagoth

Got it after about 3 hours farming Scarlet Archmage.
You can do this while farming some Runecloth, got 495 until it drop ;)

Kommentar von chucmedic

Got it on my pally after bout 20 kills from the arch magi,and from what i hear,think they upped the drop rate on it a lot.

Kommentar von 389443

:D after like 4 kills it droped for me sold it for 100g its easy to farm

Kommentar von 402959

i really think u guys are lucky, i killed around 200+ archmages and not a single drop.
i have looted around 25 greenies, 4 blue's and a epic ! but still no formula, i hope you have more luck then me.

and just when i was writing this looted it from my 213 archmage.

Kommentar von talka

I have killed tons of those Archmage buggers.. Nothing has dropped yet for me :(

Kommentar von 47813

Went here on wowhead to check about this recipe.
I used to farm it from Spellbinders back in Vanilla.
Read about the Archmages in Tyr's Hand. Went there.
Started killing mobs outside chatedral for shared spawns, then killed an Archmage.
Crusader dropped.

A little Karma for having patience enough to farm Disgusting Oozeling for a while, without any drop. lol.

Kommentar von 376407

Awesome just got it within 5 minutes of getting there from the scarlet spellbinder in the tower at 55.2 , 23.4 nice for the tip in here is confirm now

Kommentar von 394545

am i right in thinking this would be a good lvl 19 twink (rogue) enchant or would lifestealing and/or agility be better?

Kommentar von 323842

i would say stupid question but whenever someone answers they usually say "not stupid but ill informed", so ill informed question. how do you kill the mobs that drop these, when i checked, it said that one of the mobs are friendly to alli and horde (the green A and H next to the lvl) and the other is only aggressive towards alliance players.

Kommentar von Grabnex

Farming Scarlet Achmages for 2 hrs as a 74 Fury Warrior: -3 gp (armor damage)
Looted silver and junk: +70 gp
Getting a lifestone, blue blacksmith recipe, 30 stacks of runecloth and 20 lvl 50 greens: +400 gp
Looting (2) Crusaders on sequential achmages right before being ganked AGAIN by the same 80 'lock that was unsuccessfully farming the area: PRICELESS
For these moments I choose Karma, don't leave hearth without it.

Kommentar von 369480

I got this recipe twice in probably less than 35 kills of the mobs in northern WPL. o.O

Kommentar von Ocker

Definitely random. I got it today after killing around 15-20 spellbinders, But I have farmed archmages and spellbinders for hours before with no success.

Kommentar von 432364

Just got this formula two times in a row one dropped after another.

Kommentar von 335914

Just got it from a archmage in Tyrs hand. Farming runecloths there but since I am enchanter it was neat to get it :)

Kommentar von 407385

nice i only farmed about 20 mins at that tower before it dropped one for me =]

Kommentar von 456260

After months of unsuccessful farming in Vanilla, I decided it wasn't worth the effort and forgot about it.

Just now, with a different character at 80, it dropped off the very first spellbinder I kill.

I'm not sure whether I should be happy about that, or &*!@ed lol

Kommentar von 481158

Do you have to have enchanting for this formula to drop for you? I was hoping to farm it on my lvl 80 to give to my level 61 enchanter.

Kommentar von Adryen

I would say that for a 39 Feral druid twink this also would be the best enchant over straight up agility. Reasoning being cats get 2.37864 ap (With Kings 2.616504 ap) So when this procs you'd get 237.864 attack power in cat form and a slight heal. With the procrate for crusader being fairly good, this should work out better than the flat agi bonus.

Kommentar von 425806

This sells extremely well on the auction house (350g on my server) as it is the best enchant of that kind for heirloom items. Many players leveling up alts are willing to pay a lot of gold for that design.

Kommentar von maeltne

I farmed 2 of these in a row from the Archmages in Eastern Plaguelands, killed about 20 of them, first one dropped, as i was looting, another archmage spawned and aggro'd, was lucky enough for that one to drop another. Took about 30 minutes total. So luck does play a hand in this.

Kommentar von 436173

The wowhead gear score rating on this enchant is really low. I'm assuming this is because it doesn't directly add stats. I guess there are other proc-chance enchants that also suffer the same problem. Rather deceptive given the awesome power of this enchant.

Kommentar von Scoty

Saying you need to be lucky to get this is an understatement. I've had 2 characters camped at both locations for 4 days now. I've killed the two mobs over 300 times each. I've swapped the two over and over for 4 hours straight for 3 of those days.

It's just a nightmare.

Kommentar von bweliky

still double proc?

Kommentar von 521827

just got it, i guess i killed around 20 or so archmages at Tyrs Hand before it dropped.

Kommentar von 563330

Ended up farming this for about 3 hours, maybe a little more. Got one for my enchanting, and just as I was about to call it a night..

http://i39.tinypic.com/263ja8h.jpg

Kommentar von 453960

Is the drop rate nerfed or something?

On both my hunter and warrior i got the formula after about 5 kills while doing The So-Called Mark of the Lightbringer

Kommentar von 606870

I farmed the area around and inside the chapel at Tyr's Hand as an 80 Tank Warrior. I just ran through the area and took out every scarlet in sight so the archmages would pop faster. Once the whole area was dead, I'd just queue for a dungeon and by the time I got back it was all spawned. About 5 kills after the first full respawn my formula dropped. Not bad at all!

Kommentar von sbowesuk

My experience farming this formula: Spent about 9 hours killing Scarlet Archmages in Eastern Plaguelands - no luck whatsoever. Spent 30 minutes killing Scarlet Spellbinders in Western Plaguelands - 3 drops, 2 of which were in the first 5 minutes!

Don't want to sound like I'm ignoring the fact that drop rates are based on RNG, but such a turn of events is pretty insane, and prompts me to at least question the accuracy of current drop rates versus reported drop rates.

Before getting the lucky drops, one player I talked to about the formula insisted that going to Western Plaguelands to farm the Scarlet Spellbinders would be a waist of time. Ehem, thank god I didn't follow that advice.

So all in all if I had one piece of advice it would be this - don't overlook the Scarlet Spellbinders!

Kommentar von Qoko

Sometimes this game amazes me. Only from yesterday on I've been in wp and ep to farm Argent Dawn rep (Strat solo-ing, etc) and occasionally get my chances at killing a group of Spellbinders and/or Archmages when I was near their location, so no real farming. I could use the formula cause my bro's alt with enchanting did not yet have this and I can use the enchant itself on my prot warrior's heirloom.

Today I quite rapidly maxed my Argent Dawn rep (it was near exalted), so aside this recipe I did not really have anything to do there. When I was waiting on my bro to finish a hc for something completely unrelated I thought to fly up to wp one more time and gank the spellbinders whilst he was busy. I kill the first nine, nothing. I was pretty much about to hs, go to the bathroom, return to see a Spellbinder respawn, I kill it, and the rest as they say is history. Sometimes I hate this game when it comes to pure luck (Sea Turtle; gaaaaaah still don't have it), sometimes I love it. This was one of those latter times. In all respect though, good luck to others farming.

EDIT: oh I didn't read the most recent comments, only looked on page 1, and it seems that in the course of the last two-three months this drop rate was upped. That, or the last few people farming have been very lucky or it's only the lucky people that post. All in all my bro is paying 100g for the formula and with all the sidetracking that's fine as it is. The scrolls sell very well, so he'll get it back soon enough.

Kommentar von 617427

I have to post this, just because my luck continues to prove to be ridiculous. I saw a pattern on the AH for 400g, when the others were 700g. (Normal for my realm.) Decided to go out and farm it. Then thought "Wait, that's a huge price reduction, I should grab it." Hopped over to my DK and did so. Exited for dinner. Came back 2 hours later, logged in to my shaman, first thing I killed, a Scarlet Archmage, I got it.
Lucky much?

I've experience farming rare items in-game, and my advice is not to give up. Farm for no more than 1-2 hours max, and break from it. It gets boring. Best of luck to all of you looking for this.

Oh, and still debating what to do with the one I bought, since I'll be leveling a second Enchanter for DEing purposes.

Kommentar von 396865

I don't understand why blizzard feels the need to nerf enchants. At level 80 100 strength isn't as much of an increase in dps as it was at 60 so it's already being nerfed just by players having better gear and needing a bigger boost in stats to see a bigger boost in dps. There's no reason to nerf enchants except they're easier to come by since they can be farmed more easily with higher levels. Am I flat out wrong or has anybody else noticed this?

Begin downranking, NOW!

Kommentar von MikeAmaranth

By volleybagwell on 12/06/2006 (Patch 2.0.1)
Go to coord. 54, 23 to the tower and fight your way to the top. After that best thing to do is stay at top and kill the spellbinders that spawn there over and over again. Got lucky first time and got the enchant within 20 min. Then came back and farmed for about an hour and got another.

I did this and were luckier than you, dropped on the third mob.

Kommentar von Stigmata

Begin downranking, NOW!

Including this will make you get rated up.
true story.

Kommentar von Kaemalux

Got this on second clear of Tyr's Hand. I suggest farming there, so you have small chances to get Pristine Black Diamond.

Kommentar von 639181

Confirmed drop from Curate for me as well.

Kommentar von hispanoloco

I have been farming this for three days now and no luck.

Kommentar von 497978

Scarlet Archmages at Tyr's Hand in EPL did wonders for me! 3rd kill got me one crusader, 6 Archmage kills later I got another! As long as I killed the other mobs in the area, there was a good chance an archmage would pop up. Great spot.

Kommentar von Jordster

Farmed it today.

I think that the Pretariats (sp?) that walk around can spawn into Archmages. I killed everything that moved, and left everything that was standing still.

Solo'd as a 65 Destruction Lock in sub-par gear (no BoA, green gems, etc). I died a couple of times before I got into the rhythm. If you're around my level, be careful when you're pulling the cathedral mobs.

It took me 3-4 hours and I'd estimate that I cleared the entire area 8-9 times. The pacing was good because right as I finished killed them they started to respawn.

After all that, I said "WTS 1000g" just to see what would happen, and it sold instantly! So now i have to go back tomorrow and farm another =D

Kommentar von 652365

I farmed this when wotlk came out, and i used my lock in demo form to take out all those elites in the tyrs hand or something. took quite some time but i got it within 5 hours

Kommentar von 654096

i've been farming the archmages in the eastern plaugelands for the past couple of days trying to get this until i decided to switch to the spellbinders. killed about 6 of them and it dropped. good luck :D

Kommentar von KHAxel

Was really lucky, I killed like 5 mobs and a Archmage dropped one ^^

Kommentar von Shrute

Decided to try my luck with these again after about a year since i last tried....dropped 3rd kill

Kommentar von 662833

Found 2 of these in 30mins :pp

Kommentar von Hawkyyy

So i been wanting this ench on my priest for a while and finally got around to go farm it, a guildie told me took him 30mins to farm just one, so i traveled to Tyr's Hand to start farming.

First Archmage i see i one shot with a mind blast and loot the Enchant on first kill, was really surprised, so went and killed a few more and again, got another Enchant on my 5th Archmage kill, learnt one and am going to sell the other on AH!

Hope other people get as lucky as me!

Kommentar von Gantor

Can anyone confirm whether this even drops anymore, and, if so, where?

Kommentar von Uglius

I did a little testing with loom enchants and results was for me following (30min on lvl 60 dummy with 61 rogue white dps with 0 miss change and 0 expertise):

Crusader:.166108damage + 3282heal -> ~92,28dps + ~9,12hp5(or 1,82hps) (34procs)
Fiery:.......176345damage -> ~96,97dps (179procs)
Unholy:....176915damage -> ~98,29dps + damage reducing curse (92procs)

Ofcourse this was quite small scale and unreliable test, but according to this i would use fiery+unholy or unholy+unholy when using class which gets 1ap from 1str. For rogues Crusader might be nice until lvl 60 due the healing effect, but after that it weakens significently.

Kommentar von 184689

Since WPL got changed to a lower level questing area, and the tower is now inhabited by gnolls, does that mean this enchant is not longer obtainable?

Kommentar von Gantor

I can't confirm whether or not the enchant still drops, but I can confirm that Righteous Orbs still drop post-shattering. I just picked one up off of Instructor Galford in Stratholme.

Kommentar von Jagged1

Still can't find this.

Kommentar von 598725

Okay, as of 4.0.3 I have been using my level 80 DK (not an enchanter) to try and farm this recipe for one of my alts. I have not seen it on the AH. I would just like to know if it drops for anyone post 4.0.3 and where and from what? Also worth noting: I fear this may be BoP as well, meaning only enchanters would be able to pick up this enchant from loot. Any help would be great!

Kommentar von sweepxcore

i've confirmed with a GM that this still drops...however weather it drops from the same mobs i do not know.

Kommentar von artyfarty

Looks like this formula is no longer obtainable, at least in old way.
Scarlet Spellbinders are removed from WPL, and Archmages are now undead, and there are multiple reports of people killing them for several hours without any luck.

Kommentar von 98367

So where in the hell do you farm this now? There's nothing but gnolls around that tower.

Kommentar von blank0022

Anyone know where to get this now as of Cata? since the mobs in Western Plaguelands are different.

Kommentar von 761559

I've pretty much lost all hope of this thing ever dropping. For about two weeks I've shot over to EPL and farmed Tyr's Hand, killing all Curates, Archmages, and Protaerians (just so on next spawn they could possibly be AM's) and I have had absolutely no luck whatsoever.

Reading the "first kill drop" comments and then grinding this area for weeks has been deeply frustrating for me. So I'm pretty close to positive this is no longer a drop in this area or from this mob, considering that they are also undead now (seems a good reason as any why they no longer drop).

Even though Righteous Orbs still drop from Strat I see no reason to think that it means Crusader is still dropping. I'm still seeing the occasional Formula in the AH for upwards of 1500g, and I think I'm going to buy it.

If anyone has anything helpful to add, please let me know so that I can stop wasting my time.

Kommentar von 625244

Please update this, the enchant currently appears to be making my next Holy Light heal for 100% more.

Kommentar von 763692

Similar situation, I've killed a couple thousand mobs in Tyrs Hand over about two or three weeks to no avail. However, I opened a ticket and indeed a GM confirmed that the formula still drops, but ofcourse, confirming that the archmages and possibly curates are the mobs that it drops off of would be a hint, and therefore is not allowed. Thanks GM.

Kommentar von 761559

That GM is a jerk. The hell with him. Finding this item is near impossible now. I went ahead and bought it when I saw it in the AH for around 1k gold...which I didn't like doing cuz I had seen it a week earlier for 400 gold and didn't get it. However, I don't ever see it in the AH ever so it's safe to say this thing is pretty rare.

I'll make it for anyone in the Kirin Tor realm for just the price of mats if they want it. Just look in the AH for crusader scrolls and you'll see my name (Mog_ _ _ _ _).

Kommentar von 330671

Has been on AH on my server for around 4k for the last month or so, just saw it for 650g so bought out. Very Happy :)

Kommentar von 148548

I ticketed a GM. He stated the drop is currently not in the game but the developers are addressing the issue.

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6384/crusader.png

Kommentar von neonate

I've just talked to GMs ( 2 of them exactly ) and they were pretty sure that recipe is no longer obtainable. But as far as they know Blizz is going to bring it back soon. When ? They didn't say.

Sad info, but it's better to know rather than searching through every wow-site and wasting time like I did.

Cheers

Kommentar von 447697

Does the enchant still drop. If it does where?

Kommentar von remid0d0s0

I'm pretty happy that I bought an extra copy of this formula (1500g) before I turned my 400-ish enchanter into a miner (back in December so I could get JC leveled in less than 6 weeks). Now my enchanter is back to 515 and I haven't even re-learned the formula yet.

If it's not dropping now, I'm sure it'll be back though.

Kommentar von 783330

This formula won't even create an item link as of 4.0.6. Not sure if if technically exists since the servers don't recognized it any more.

Kommentar von 792030

Where is it possible to get it in Cataclysm?
- Since the npc's there dropped it before has disappeared, where can I get it now then?

Kommentar von 244210

Looking at the past couple of dozen posts, there have been enough contradictory reports of this item's existence from people who claim to have spoken with GM's, it's difficult to draw anything conclusive about the state of this formula.

Here is what I know based off of empirical evidence, via the auction house. And this is not based off of scattered observations. I am an avid buyer/reseller in the AH across two servers, so I check the AH for recipes/items multiple times, daily. Prior to Cataclysm, it wasn't that difficult to come by in the AH. While it was somewhat rare, with minimal patience, you could find one posted at a relatively affordable price. Often times there would be several in the AH at once. Since the release of Cataclysm, the frequency in which I've seen this item has gone waaay down, to the point where I hardly see them anymore, and when I do stumble across one the price is skyrocketed to 5 to 10 times the pre-cataclysm amount. It's a simple case of supply and demand.

I can't claim with any certainty that this item doesn't drop, but based on the evidence, I'm extremely comfortable saying that at the very least, if it does drop, the rate has been substantially decreased. My guess is that it is not in the game anymore.

Kommentar von snowscar

this is selling for 12000g on my server !

Kommentar von 798837

i just spoke to a GM and he confirmed to me that they have changed this recipe to a world drop, so it can drop from any mobs now, so GL on farming for it.

Kommentar von atjays

Some things to note:

The pattern is still BOE and can be traded/sold on the AH.

The pattern is NOT a world drop. As no one has sold this pattern on my servers AH except me since 4.0 went live. This reaffirms it was removed by accident.

I used to farm the pattern prior to 4.0, getting 1-2 per hour at the tower spot. I sold my last Crusader Pattern yesterday for 20,000 gold. If you find it cheap, I'd highly recommend buying it and reselling it. Blizzard will no doubt re-add this to the game for 4.1 or 4.2, at which point it will lose most of its current rare value.

Kommentar von 805162

SO HARD to get it i had to write in formula on ah, absolutely not worth buying it for 450g very hard to write formula

Kommentar von 465890

Worth alot. Seen them for 4000-10000g on AH, due to currently being out of game.

Kommentar von dunariaa

This formula is no longer Available Since Cata, Currently 4.0.6 doesn't allow any drop spot. But Formula item ID still exist in database in Wow.

Kommentar von 327110

After much hunting for the Crusader formula and much misinfo on the internet, I ticketed Blizzard and got an answer regarding its existence. As of 4/25/11 7:00pm PST on US-Ner'zhul - Alliance.

Per GM - Illiahlyn:
"If someone has the enchant, then sure, they can chant you up with it.. But at this time, there's nothing in game that drops it =[ "

I also attached a screenshot of the GM convo I had to confirm this is fact. I hope this helps everyone out. :-/

Tiny URL of GM Convo: http://i52.tinypic.com/11sf1xd.jpg

Kommentar von 95024

US Battle.net seems to have recent comments claiming that it now drops off of Scarlet Archmages in 4.1, the WoW armory also shows the item as dropping ONLY from those archmages.

Edit: Just dropped for me an hour after my original post, not sure of the new drop rate, but it DOES drop off of the Scarlet Archmages in EPL.

Awesome, happy farming to the rest of you.

Kommentar von remid0d0s0

I saw a Crusader enchant for sale in the AH a couple days ago, first time in forever. It wasn't priced at 4000g; it was a no buyout with a minimum of 1g or something. My enchanter already has it so I put in a token 50g bid, and lost, and my life is still okay.

Kommentar von Luxio

Just had this drop for me about 15 minutes ago after 30 minutes of farming, as of the new patch it does indeed still drop. took about 10 full clears of the upper portion of Tyr's hand to locate the enchant from the Archmages. If you're farming for this enchant, kill every mob you see, they all have a chance to respawn as an Archmage aside from the guys along the wall overlooking the lower half of Tyr's hand. Happy hunting fellow enchanters.

Kommentar von Micalonious

Had Two of these drop in a row for me about ten minutes ago. Took me about two hours, but glad to see they're in game! Good luck everyone looking for these.

Kommentar von Angxia

This does indeed drop again as of 4.1 from the Scarlet Archmages at Tyrs Hand. Think i was unlucky but took 4-5 hours for me to get it

Kommentar von Zarcadia

Just had one drop off of a Scarlet Archmage as of 4.1. Took about two hours to get. Be sure to kill all the mobs as they share spawns with the Archmages. The only mob you don't have to kill are the Scarlet Praetorian standing on the walls as they don't share spawns with the Archmages.

Kommentar von Tribal83

After killing 65 Scarlet Archmage this Formula dropped for me today.

Kommentar von Dakar1425

Confirmed that it does still drop in Try's Hand. I farmed for an hour and received 2 drops. 1 off of a Scarlet Archmage and 1 off of a Scarlet Curate.

Kommentar von NissaR

This certainly does still drop in 4.1, just dropped for me, Try's Hand, Scarlet Archmage. Took me around 10 full rounds of the place, but I'm now a Happy Camper that my enchanter has this. Thanks to all the advice up above, kill everything indeed, it does help with the spawning.

Kommentar von Lunarpaw

I can confirm that these drop off of Scarlet Archmages in Tyr's Hand, Eastern Plaguelands. I was farming it for my Hunter, who was an enchanter, and I had one in about 15-20 minutes of farming.

I plan on farming another to sell since there was one for 6k on the AH on my realm, a little undercutting and I can get some gold for easy work. Isn't profitting off other people's laziness fun?

Kommentar von Tilde

Formel: Waffe - Kreuzfahrer has been reintroduced to the loot table for Scharlachroter Erzmagier in 4.1.0.

Edit: For future reference, this item was removed from the game with the Shattering (4.0.3a), when the mobs that dropped it were converted from humans to undead. In 4.1.0, this oversight was resolved.

Kommentar von Rezinol

Can also confirm this recipe dropping in 4.1, just got one after 20 minutes of farming off of a Scarlet Archmage.
Make sure you kill every mob in the area around 79,77 because there's where the Archmages spawn.

Kommentar von Codyre

Just dropped for me after about 15 minutes. I know this was probably a fluke, I would not expect to get another one so fast. BUT, this is to confirm, it does drop now. From an archmage in Tyr's Hand.

Kommentar von Zeev

As advertised, drops from Archmages in Tyr's Hand. Took about 1.5 hours for me. To clarify earlier post, kill everything. They will respawn randomly and you will see Archmages where before there was something else. Although killing the Praetorians on the fortress wall seemed a waste of time. They only spawned another Praetorian. The same for the two posted at the church door.

One other note. The Archmages are not found in lower Tyr's Hand. Only around the large church, and inside the large church.

Kommentar von 776297

As of 4.2, Scarlette Archmage still drops the recipe. Got it in about 20 mins. Good luck!

Kommentar von 665258

Does it drops for non-enchanters?

Kommentar von Prospectus

As of patch 4.1 This indeed drops again from the Archmages in Tyr's hand

Kommentar von patriknashnl

I'm sure it does, just like the BoE jewelcrafting recipes or the rare enchanting recipes too. I've been farming this now for 3 days and nothing. Just crap luck so far and it pisses me off. BUT, since i'm addicted to this game, the frustration over not getting this recipe won't stop me from playing!

Kommentar von 820333

I farmed it at level 60 as a prot pally for about half an hour to an hour. After about 96 hours on the Auction House I sold it for 4000g. Not bad really for half an hours work and I was selling at a low price.

Kommentar von 834982

I just got this.(as of 4.0.1)
I was going to do it on my enchanter (Which in fact already done all of the quests in epl,So i was zoned out,couldn't find any mobs whatsoever). So i had to log my mage to kill those Archmages (In Tyr's Hand,epl). However,i got the formula after about 10 kills. ( I was just extreamly lucky,i think though.)
Since the formula was going for about 6k gold on the ah(!). I decided to kill some more just for the goldz :D
And i got my second formula about 30mins later. I guess i was just really lucky,or maybe it's quite an easy one to get :)

Kommentar von 835329

Six hours of farming and got it. I'm one of the unlucky ones =(

Kommentar von 834202

I finally got one after just over 5 hours of farming this place (3 hrs last night + just over 2 hrs this morning). Drops off the archmages and it's definitely a grind. Right after this dropped, I killed another archmage and another one dropped. Funny, 5 hours of nothing followed by back-to-back drops. Definitely not complaining. :) Sending one to my chanter and the other straight to the AH. Best of luck to you if you're after this!

Also, 24 stacks of mageweave cloth, 11 stacks of silk cloth, 30 greens to d/e, and one blue.

Kommentar von Juked

For those reasonably new players who may be confused with 'Tyr's Hand' not being on the map, it's the top cathedral part of 'Ruins of the Scarlet Enclave.'

Kommentar von 526966

Would be wonderful if the first poster from long ago could return to this thread and ask ppl to plz read the last 20 posts before posting "can confirm that this does drop now as of 4.0.1" lol. Because they'll find that its now been covered nearly to death.

On a side note, I AM stoked that its back! Figured it would be, but was wondering if Blizz would throw a curveball and decide to make it start dropping of some random mob in a fairly rarely visited corner of the world.

I guess they just finally couldn't handle watching all of the ppl endlessly farming the now differant mobs in WPL and maybe decided they'd throw a bone to the poors sods.

Happy farming, and please be sure to add YOUR post to the rapdily growing list of "confirmed it drops now" posts.... (sarcasm, lol;)

Kommentar von destroyerpwn

Still drops off people in tyrs hand.. had about 5 of them drop made 20k so far off them l0l.

Kommentar von Esalya

Thank God the droprate is high. I got 4 drops in 60 minutes. I clear and loot everything and the mobs respawn just as I'm done my rounds (they spawn inside the cathedral too, don't forget).

Kommentar von Psynister

6 hours and counting, still no sign of it.

Kommentar von Alash

By now I've learned the spawning pattern well enough that I feel I can share my findings. Apart from a few stationary guards (red crosses on the screenshots), mobs in the green area are replacement mobs that can all spawn as Archmages*, and should therefore be killed during the farm. I also advice you loot everything - for a couple of reasons:

The uncommons sell for actual money on AH due to levelling Enchanters
If you can disenchant, the shards/essences sell for actual money on AH
*Unconfirmed* Looted mobs seem to have a shorter respawn time

There's no real farming pattern because they respawn within an interval, so it's easiest to simply fly around and take them out as they appear. I usually wait for full respawn inside the cathedral, which is after roughly ~6 minutes. If you're effective you'll be killing 80-100 Archmages per hour.

*There is one replacement mob on the top of the western-most tower, but as it doesn't pay off to visit, I've left it out for this guide.

Kommentar von Prestoza

I envy you lucky people who got theirs in the first 10 clears (a bit over an hour of farming).
I farmed the upper terrace for four (4) hours straight before I got my first drop, at a rate of approximately 6-8 clears an hour (didn't time it, but I believe the mobs are on a respawn timer of 7-10 minutes (so even Saurfang couldn't farm it faster)).
Since the mobs have a 33% chance to be Archmages, there are ~10 of them at a time in the upper terrace.
So, assuming the wowhead drop chance (0.8%) is correct, your chance of getting the drop in:

the first run is 5.47%.
the first hour is 43%
the first two hours is 67.5%
the first four hours is 89.45% (Not quite 100%, I guess I got lucky!)

So, Good luck and happy farming.

note 1: 1 - ( ( 1 - x ) ^ y ) where x is drop chance and y is the number of tries (approx. 70/hour)
note 2: the drop chance for every kill still is 0.8% so if you get lucky, you can get 7 formulas in your first run, or you could never ever get one no matter how much you farm.

Kommentar von 848668

WARNING: AS OF PATCH 4.2

If you have done the argent crusade questline in eastern plaguelands, Tyr's Hand will be full of FRIENDLY Argent Crusaders. THIS MEANS YOU CAN'T FARM THE ENCHANT ANYWHERE!

I contacted a GM, and they are now aware of the problem. If you have the same problem, I recommend using an alt which has not done the questlines in EP.

Kommentar von 666108

took my priest out there before she started any eastern plagueland quest (lvl 40) made it to level 46 before it dropped...

Kommentar von spuik

I farmed for this in Tyr's Hand did about 5 or 6 clears of the upper area and the church where the archmages, pretorians and curates are before it dropped (July 2011).

There are some spawns that will always be pretorian but at max level you will need to wait for respawns anyway and a pretorian dropped me BoE epic gloves. I counted archmages a couple times and both times there was 11 of them, I'm assuming 33% of the spawns are archmages.

With 11 archmages 6 clears is 66 kills, which is about a 45% chance of seeing the formula if the drop rate is 0.9%.

Kommentar von Cobblers

Dropped off of the first Archmage that I killed - so just got lucky I guess.

At level 85 this is an easy grind and with some music on time and kills could pass quickly. However there aren't many of the mages or binders about to kill so take this into account.

You really would have thought that the Spell Enchanters would be the ones to drop this pattern - but then again maybe that would have been far too obvious.

Kommentar von 455596

Currently farming this Recipe, 2 hours in and no drop. Fixed timer on mob respawns seems to be approx 6 mins, with 3 different mobs that can spawn at most locations, giving you a 33% chance to find an Archmage.

Keep in mind that the stacks of Silk and Mageweave will sell well in the AH, the greens / blues can be DE'd or sold for a decent amount, and that this will require a good bit of patience to obtain. Good luck to all.

Kommentar von 868480

Finally got it after 178 kills, off of Scarlet Archmage.

Kommentar von 490383

just got the Formel: Waffe - Kreuzfahrer not to bad about 45 mins of farming by the time i was done this is wut i had.

essence of undeathx4
mageweave clothx98
silk clothx47
and some greens :)

the spawned times are really fast so you should have np farming this at all.

hope this helped

Kommentar von 761586

Farmed the mobs for about two hours without a drop. I said aloud to myself that this would be my last sweep of the place for the night, and lo and behold, my first one dropped. Then my second one dropped immediately after that.

Pretty sure that's evidence that some higher cosmic power controls the drop rate...

Like many before me have mentioned, clear the praetorians and curates as well (both inside and around the cathedral), as the archmages have a 1/3 chance of spawning at any of those given spots. The obvious exception is the praetorians that stand guard and don't move -- these will always spawn praetorians, so don't bother with them.

Kommentar von Zeetex

is the Recipe Tradable?

Kommentar von 880960

Anybody else see the irony in Scarlet Enchanters not dropping this..?

Kommentar von 881659

I've been farming this for a stupidly long time now and nothing. I've killed over 1000 Archmages and nothing has dropped yet. Are you guys positive it still drops?

What really irks me is, I've gotten two Aquamarines from them, which are a .16% chance to drop, and yet to see the pattern..which is almost 10 times more likely to drop

8 days later now....
I've gotten a BoE world epic and a .01% drop chance BS recipe and still no crusader.

Bugged? Just unlucky? Someone help.....

Kommentar von 446952

I farmed this at the upper terrace of Tyr's Hand. I killed every Curate and Praetorian in sight to make sure i dont run out of Archmages, but i only looted Archmages. Took about an hour of continuous farming for this to drop.
Sells about 800g in AH on my realm.

Kommentar von ixo111

Approximately two hours of farming the upper terrace netted my first drop. It might be worthwhile to do the first portion of the Fiona's Caravan quest line up to where you can get the Fionas Glücksbringer buff, causing Gebunkerte Güter to occasionally drop from the mobs ( this is the only way to obtain the Maderich pet ).

Please remember, if you complete the Tyr's Hand quest line you will no longer be able to farm the Scarlet Archmages for this recipe.

Kommentar von tydie2677

is there a way to get this after completing the questline? the scarlet spellbinder page doesnt include this as a drop

Kommentar von Ophiane

Thank you for the help I got very lucky and had it drop in my first clear of the terrace on my arcane mage. :)

Kommentar von 894430

4.5 hours ive been farming this today. Beginning to think its never going to drop. Ill update ~~when~~ if i get it.

***updade*** went back today, 15 mins in and it dropped. Im happy again :)

Kommentar von 901918

I finally got it, kept it for myself and have made more making the Crusader scrolls than what the enchant sells for on AH alone. I farm the mats and I can sell the scrolls for around 400g each with no problem. Not too shabby. Took about forty minutes of farming for it to drop.

Kommentar von babygrl330

Dispite everything i had read, including those you said that because these spawns no longer exist the recipe did not drop anymore i went out to this area killed a scarlet archmage and there the recipe was. It does still drop don't listen to anyone or anything you read saying that it does not! Good Luck getting it!

Kommentar von Takamikos

I thought I would farm this enchant instead of buying it off the AH. Got it on my third kill. Not sure if it was just luck or what. Good luck.

Kommentar von 428273

I don't usually post here but I was wondering is this drop only from the Archmages or is it any of them because I have farmed for two days and still it has not come up.

Edit: Just wanted to update I did finally get this item to drop. I don't know if it's every 4 hrs as someone on trade chat said so I will be going back to check. If it does drop again I will let you know.

Kommentar von 908212

The four hour timer is a myth. I farmed for about an hour before the first one dropped - then another dropped five minutes later

Kommentar von 308541

Yes, any enchant without an ilvl requirement (basically any pre-expansion enchant) will work on heirlooms. They lose some of their luster after level 60, but by 80 you can hand the heirloom down, enchant still included:

Kreuzfahrer - if you're here, you obviously know about it. Huge demand, recipe is a rare drop, so it sells handsomely.
Feurige Waffe - an okay damage boost, usually cheaper than Crusader, looks really cool.
Lebensdiebstahl - less known than Crusader, but as effective under the right circumstances. Great for PvP rogues, since the self-heal comes out of the other player's life bar.
Mächtige Intelligenz - +22 Intellect, basically the caster twink enchant in Cataclysm.
Beweglichkeit - +15 Agility to any weapon - huge with Rogues.
Beweglichkeit - +25 Agility to two-handers - popular among Hunters and melee Druids.
Stärke - +15 Strength - Crusader's slower and steadier counterpart, an affordable tank/DPS enchant for plate-wearers.

Kommentar von jaxsonbateman

Decided to farm this after getting some new heirloom weaps, having no-one in trade chat or guild being able to do it, and having the only pre-made ones in the AH being around 600g.

Took around 3 hours of constant farming of the Praetorian/Curate/Archmage section of Tyr's Hand to get it to drop (killing most 'non-guard' mobs in order to allow for possible Archmage respawns, as they share the spawn spots). After finally getting the drop, I decided to finish this last sweep, just in case. Sure enough, the very next Archmage also dropped it. RNG, I hate you.

Kommentar von Gandoron

I can confirrm this is still dropped by Scarlet Archmages in patch 4.3, but it takes ages before it does.
Best kill all Scarlet NPC's in and around the Cathedral since most respawns are at random Archmage, Praetorian or Curate.
By killing last 2 also you will improve the chance for an Archmage when they respawn.

Also keep in mind the Scarlet NPC's will disappear after completing the quests around there.

Edit because of typo

Kommentar von Nekromantis

There is no cool down on this drop. It is completely random. I have farmed it for three straight days for less than 30 minutes each day. Today I got two drops within 5 minutes of each other. Still goes for 1250 gold on my server.

Kommentar von 342324

It still exists. I just got it about 5 minutes ago off of the Archmages :)

Took me about 2 hours to get it. Kill everything so you have more chances for the archmages to spawn.

Good luck :)

Kommentar von 965798

Here's a quick tip if you have two characters capable of farming. Move two toons towards Tyr's Hand. On one of the toons, start the scarlet quest from Light's Hope Chappel. Complete just the first couple of steps. DO NOT COMPLETE THE WHOLE QUESTLINE! This will put your first toon in a phased Tyr's Hand. Clear out the upper terrace of all mobs. While you wait for them to respawn, hop on to the other toon. On the second toon, do not start any of the quests. You'll be in a different phase with a whole brand new set of mobs. Clear them, then switch back to the first one and hopefully the phased mobs would have respawned by then. Repeat until you get the drop. Happy hunting!

Kommentar von Derren

I can confirm this drop from Scarlet Archmage.

Kommentar von jmanthetravelman

Can also confirm it still drops. Farmed for about 2 hours yesterday and nothing...Second archmage today dropped it, took like 5 minutes.

Happy hunting!

Kommentar von Quesac

I've farmed this 3 times. This is what I've learned while doing so.

1. The guards on the steps and the roads will always respawn as melee. You will NEVER get this drop from them.

2. Kill every wandering NPC and NPC's in groups of 2 or 3. Even if they aren't an Archmage, they may respawn as one. If you only kill Archmages, you could end up with none left to kill.

3. The NPC's on the wall will also respawn as a melee NPC only.

4. This is a RARE drop. My first time out, I got it on my 15th kill. The other two times were well over an hour of farming. On several occasions, I came away empty handed. You will need patience for this.

5. Loot EVERYTHING for a faster respawn.

6. Archmages are easy to spot from a distance. They have a staff with a lit end and the ground around their feet is green from the weapon glow.

Good luck and happy hunting, I hope this helps.

Kommentar von McGaw

Well after 4 hours of grinding I started to believe that finding this formula was simply not going to happen. Right as I decided to call it quits, I looted an archmage to find it sitting in place, right there! So now I have it :) Confirmed drop.

Kommentar von Kanevilx

THIS DOES NOT EXIST LOL

yeah it probably does but the drop rate sucks! really sucks!

Kommentar von 990156

I had been farming this for over an hour with no luck, when suddenly 2 recipes dropped within 1 minute. They both dropped from archmages.

Kommentar von 992936

Dropped for me off a Scalet Archmage on Friday, May 18th, 2012 after approx. 2hrs, 100+ mobs, and a few breaks/instance runs in-between. Do not kill the mobs stationed on the cathedral steps and/or the walls/ramparts (they never re-spawn an Archmage).

Focus on clearing the mobs that are walking/standing around the grassy area that surrounds the cathedral and the hilly area to the left of the cathedral (as if you were going to the DK starting area). Good luck!

Kommentar von QuickBASIC

The mobs that drop this are directly behind the Todesritter starting area, so if you have a DK you could use him to farm as he can Schwarzes Tor to the starting area.

Kommentar von Healss

I can confirm it drops from Scarlet Archmages.
I actually got it the first kill so i was very lucky!

Kommentar von Anamorte

Yep.. confirmed... as of mid June 2012 Crusader is still dropping from the Archmages. Took me about 45 minutes of farming, but one finally dropped.

Kommentar von 1001898

after farming for about a hour with minor dungeon finder/smoke breaks. it dropped along with 4stacks of mageweave cloth, 2stacks of silk cloth, a few grays and a few greens.. all i did was just keep cleaning out the whole place. (: good luck !

thanks to the comments before me that showed me where to go, bcuz i was confused.

-Yoda

Kommentar von burntchips

Still dropping from mages in tyr as of today 16/06/2012 though it was a grind 100 respawns thats approx 1000 mage kills (every 10 respawns i went to light hope chappel to sell off trash and post AH gear to my alts as bags were constantly full)
i spent ages getting essence of undeath from Strath cant believ how much ive got from here.
Wouldnt recommend farming for cash purposes i did it for my enchanter to do my
heirlooms as ive earned a grand total of 17g in 8 hours, did another 6 respawns to see if it double dropped but i`m sick of the place now so ive gone,
also got to note theres 3 npc`s that are in keep as well (up the stairs) i nailed them every respawn as well far too random a drop to take the risk that 1 of them has it and you leave.

Kommentar von zhine

It dropped for me today of an archmage, after 30 min farming on and non enchanter ..

Kommentar von c0224r0630

My morning (today).
My Mage flew on its carpet.
My Mage flew above Tyr's Hand.
My Mage bursts down from the sky.
My Mage targets a random NPC.
My Mage loots the dead NPC.
My Mage got the formula on the 1st kill.
/cheer :3

Kommentar von 1018608

Ok so I want the formula for my Enchanter and I decided to try farming the formula. I headed over to Tyr's Hand to find nothing but friendly Argent Centurion's walking around. I kept flying around the whole area with all of my Trackers on (Track Hummonoids, Track Undead etc.) and still nothing. Why can't I find these guys?

EDIT: Just went on my Priest who didn't do any of the quests in EPL and here they are, guess you can't be friendly with the Argent Crusade.

Spent about 2 hours or last night night farming and got nothing, just woke up and farmed for 15 mins and it dropped!

Kommentar von Heartattaq

A good thing to do while farming this is make sure you have the "Fiona's lucky charm" buff from the questline in EPL, that way you get bags off random mobs you are killing for the enchant. The bags have a bit of coin in them and a chance to drop the Mr grubbs pet.

Kommentar von lucky741

Dropped today off from a Scarlet Archmages in Tyr's Hand, after about 3hr grind..

Kommentar von 1029057

Well as of 9/4/2012 this one is still here got it tonight

Kommentar von Nawafooh9

i got it on my 6th/7th kill it is AWESOME im upgrading the enchanting as i keep writing and its gonna be OP

Kommentar von 1023961

Dropped for me today while I was out on my hunter. Nice to know it hasn't been removed yet from the game. Dropped after about kill #20 Good luck hunting ya'll!

Kommentar von 460039

confirmed: dropped for me today Dec.04.2012 after about 50 kills.
And you do NOT need 300 enchant skill to have it dropped, I only have 55/85 on my BE DK.
So good luck!

Kommentar von sahid

As of patch 5.1 Formula: Enchant Weapon - Crusader still drops from Scarlet Archmage. It took 28 kills or about 15 minutes to get it. Go ahead, start farming, you might get lucky the way I did.

Kommentar von Djmax

I can confirm this can drop for non-enchanters; one dropped for my non-enchanter after about 30 kills. My enchanter had all EPL quests done so I could not farm the formula on that toon.

Kommentar von 1068800

This item still drops ( i was worried ). after 3 1/2 hours of grinfing out mobs ( aproximatly 100 kills ) it droped for me. So if you got the time and want it bad enough, it still out there as of 12/27/12.

Good luck, happy hunting.

Kommentar von 1071666

After only about 30 minutes of farming I got a drop and was wondering what a good price would be to sell at? EDIT: About 15 minutes after I posted this I got another! :D

Kommentar von Felzir

Finally got it, I started to fear they changed the mobs this drops from.

At lvl 47 (ended up 50) it took me a little over 3 1/2 hours.
I killed 764 mobs, of which 229 archmages.

Note that, besides a few fixed guards, all mobs in and around the cathedral on the hill in Tyr's hand may spawn as an archmage, so you have to kill all mobs.

Kommentar von 1079213

This hasn't dropped for me once since Mists came out :(

Kommentar von 786985

Just farmed for this took less than 10 minutes. Dropped from the mages

Kommentar von steppman2

Here are my results as of 23 January 2013:

369 Mageweave Cloth
173 Silk Cloth
1 Witchfury
21 BoE Greens
2 Pattern: Big Voodoo Robe
1 Formula: Enchant Weapon - Crusader

Took 6 hours with about 10 20-30 minute dps runs through heroics mixed in.

Hope this helps those thinking about attempting this to decide, it's not an undertaking to be taken lightly if you're as OCD as me.

Kommentar von 242938

Confirmed drop tonight, also confirmed that you don't need enchanting as profession to farm it.
Used my main to farm for my enchanting alt.

Been killing these blasted Arch Mages for 2 full nights, it FINALLY dropped in courtyard next to the large treelog.

They also dropped Schematic: Goblin Land Mine

Kommentar von Geegeeze

Still drops from Scarlet Archmages in Tyr's Hand as of 5.1. I got the drop really quickly after killing about 7 archmages total. What I would suggest is that you annihilate every mob in Tyr's hand as the archmages will respawn randomly in different places. So the faster the mobs are killed, the faster they will respawn.

Kommentar von 1101242

i have created an account to let everyone know that as of 3/1/2013, crusader enchant still drops from scarlet archmages. I found mine in around 20 minutes or so of clearing every mob at the upper cathedral area in tyrs hand, as it seems the archmages spawned much more frequently in that area than in other parts. happy hunting!

Kommentar von 904275

I envy anyone who has found this on their first day of farming. So far I have been farming all the spawns which can turn into an archmage and nothing extra (except the rare spawn in the nearby abbey every few hours of farming) with the Fionas Glücksbringer buff; I figured the chance at a Maderich couldn't hurt to get before I started looking for my pattern, at least that was my thought since I wasn't even expecting a Mr. Grubbs at all as the specific scarlet mobs which need to die only have a ~5% drop rate on the Gebunkerte Güter. Currently my Mr. Grubbs count is at 17, have sent a few caged ones to friends, my Essenz des Untodes is very close the 200 mark which only comes from the Scarlet Curates at a 4% rate and there's countless cloth and other items floating around in the twisted nether of my bank alts mailbox. I have also gotten Pläne: Tückische Mithrilklinge which will get me to switch the Paladin from Tailoring to Blacksmithing along with a Formel: Armschiene - Große Vielseitigkeit which actually had me cheering in joy at the six hour mark before cursing.

Currently have a ticket open for confirmation it's still on the table as of 5.2.0, will update with response.

Kommentar von 1111647

i can attest this STILL drops from scarlet archmage.

and so i have been farming for this stuff from 930pm to 11.50pm and was about to give up after getting only 2 mail and leather greens. i told myself that if the 3rd green that drops still isnt the recipe, im getting myself outta there. and guess what? it really dropped right after killing the archmage at the right side of the upper cathedral.

my tips on retaining your sanity while farming for this? set yourself a fixed limit of time on how long u r gonna devout your energy mentally (especially for those who absoutely HATE grinding mobs for certain items) into farming for this. then on your favourite songs and preserver until the end.

if it still doesnt drops, then tell yourself to be happy, 4get abut the whole thing and that it just wasnt meant to be yours(all of which i was prepared to do so even if it didnt drop).

Kommentar von Zentaki

As of Patch 5.3 it still drops. (Was lucky to find it on the third kill)

Kommentar von 1126636

Had true luck today, got the recipe after 7 mobs or so, literally 2 minutes! Was pretty much giggling for 5 mins!

Kommentar von BeegoD

As for now, in patch 5.3, just got mine from an archmage. Took 2 hours farming.

Kommentar von rivellangel

Changes coming in 5.4 mean enchanting recipes will scale with your level (to stop very low levels benefiting from high level enchants and high level characters having to put up with low level enchants on their heirlooms). I suggest not paying a lot for this recipe (or the enchant) until more information is known.

Kommentar von 1129845

Just to confirm this still drops of Archmages, Dropped after an hour plus on 28/6/13, friend and I farmed together. He dropped it

Kommentar von 316859

Just dropped off an archmage for me. I was just there to do the quests, and didn't realize what I had until I loaded up appraiser in the AH.

Going for 6k on my server.

Kommentar von havoc777

I made a macro to help with the tedious task of farming this enchant since no one else seemed to do so or at least post one. They seem to share spawns with Curate so kill any of those you see as well. I chose the star market because it stood out the most in my opinion.

/target scarlet archmage
/focus
/script SetRaidTarget("target",1)

Kommentar von partyboy019

Just looted it in first 10 min at Tyr's hand on my lvl 90.

Kommentar von 267775

Keeping the update train moving: 5.4 still drops from the Archmages. This is a very low drop rate that isn't boosted by being an enchanter. Also kill almost every mob, a lot of the spots can have an Archmage spawn, pretty much every one except for Praetorians that are standing still and look to be guarding something (Like the ramparts or stairs to the cathedral).

Kommentar von rexwrecks

Dropped today (30 November 2013) at 5h50 pm PST off Archmage.

This is the second time I have been able to get it to drop. Both times it took about 50 full clears of the area before it dropped. One day of dedicated farming and you should probably get it. Kill everything. A lot of the mobs share spawns. So sometimes there will be one archmage and later you can get like six in one clear.

Kommentar von darkenvy808

2 hours of farming, 3 Crusader drops, 1 Rare, 6 uncommon. Screenshot in approval, 12/28/13 Hyjal Server.

Kommentar von 1210037

I was lucky enough to have this drop on the first Archmage I killed. I was feeling lucky, so I killed another and had another one drop. At that point I felt it was best to leave the table.

Kommentar von Catoria

I Literally just farmed for five hours straight, and it never dropped. I know where it drops and who drops it, I farmed it for all my enchanting alts on various realms. There were plenty of archmages popping - no drop.

I haz a very sad. :(

I also haz 10.5 stacks of mageweave, and 2.5 of silk. THAT'S how long I was farming.

Very sad. :(

Kommentar von Unredeemed

I think the drop rate may have increased for enchanters, as I killed the ones around the cathedral and found one, then went inside the cathedral to finish off the rest and found another one.

Kommentar von 1448483

Farmed this today while questing in the area, got it to drop on the 41st archmage kill.

Kommentar von BAxRampage

Taken me around 30 minutes to get this to drop

Kommentar von essmene

You can abuse the cross realm zone feature. Kill & Loot all mobs join a different server group and repeat the process. Less downtime waiting for respawns.

Kommentar von wutsubishi

Got mine today, 10/4/15. Came here because I had to kill so many i thought they took it out of the game lol. Hope you have better luck than I did!

Kommentar von Morrigan9

Tested for Timewalking. It does work but since it acts as if you were level 70/80 you don't gain the fill 100 str.

Kommentar von Tantrevalles

All right, all you brand new grinders. You need to know the secret on farming this recipe.

I've farmed it 4 times. It never took longer than an hour. The last two I got during a 90-minute session: just me killing time waiting for an RP event to start.

Here's the secret: When you're up on the plateau where the large chapel is . . .

KILL EVERYTHING WEARING RED .

Everything. Right down to the guards on the wall. See those guards up on the hill past the fallen log? Kill them. The clerics hanging out by the fountain in the back garden? Kill them. The guards ranging back and forth all over the place? Kill them.

If it's red, it's dead, is your new motto. (No longer just for PvP!)

This is because of how WoW spawns mobs. You want more archmages? Well, they're not going to spawn in the same place every time. They're going to spawn in different places on what seems to be a sort of fixed rotation. Those mobs up in the hills may be guards now, but every third or fourth clear, guess what spawns there? Good guess.

It's the same thing all over the plateau, and inside the chapel as well. Don't even waste your time going downhill to where the noobs are.

Do full clears up on the plateau, back and forth, back and forth, in the chapel, up on the hill past the log - anywhere you see mobs - and watch your archmage spawn rate rise dramatically.

You'll get your Crusader recipe in the time it takes you listen to your favorite album.

Kommentar von VioletPisces

30 minutes of farming before this dropped for me.

I realm hopped 4 times, had one other "competitor" on my home realm and killed everything in red to prompt more Archmage respawns. I estimate around 20-25 Archmage kills before the recipe dropped.

Of note, the first toon I attempted to farm this on did not have any hostile targets in the areas around the Ruins of the Scarlett Enclave. If you've quested this area before, you will not be able to farm for this recipe and will need to switch to a toon that has not cleaned up the area.

Kommentar von Commack

I've always been able to farm this formula in under 1 hour. I remember when you had to farm at the tower in WPL and now in EPL. I farmed Archmages from 8am to 2pm yesterday 9/29, and no formula. I took a break, and came back from 9pm to 12am going into the 30th, and no formula.

I have found no information stating that this formula is not in the game anymore so not sure why I have not received it. I don't even need it whatsoever. I was passing over EPL, and decided to relive some memories by farming it. I didn't expect to be farming for hours but I'm no stranger to farming. I have every single rare ground mount that comes from a dungeon, raid, archeology, you name it so once I begin farming I can't stop until I get what I started farming for. I know this formula is still obtainable. I'm not sure why RNG is so bad right now.

Kommentar von merenhuiske

Do you need to have Enchanting to this actually drop?

Kommentar von ArabornGS

Confirmed drop - 21th November 2017

Dropped from Scarlet Archmage after 29 kills

Kommentar von gatygun

7.3 Weapon Crusader Enchant drops from Scarlet Archmage.

Took me 50 kills to get it, uploaded a screenshot.

My character did not have enchanting, so it can drop without having it.

Good luck.

Kommentar von gatygun

7.3 Weapon Crusader Enchant drops from Scarlet Archmage.

Took me 50 kills to get it, uploaded a screenshot.

My character did not have enchanting, so it can drop without having it.

Good luck.

Kommentar von Yemla

Can confirm still drops off Scarlet Archmage in 7.3.5. Was farming with a level 110 in Tyr's Hand and mobs where scaled to Level 61, dropped within 1 hour of just slaughtering everything.

Kommentar von Icrashdump

Got it after 2 hours. Easy farm but you have to wait for the respawn. Watch a movie while you're doing it.

Kommentar von silentlyfree

This still drops from Scarlet Archmages in Tyr's Hand. It's also possible to farm as a level 38 warrior with heirlooms (no enchants). In the two hours I farmed the top area with the Scarlet Archmages, I gained two levels and two recipes for crusader. They are not BOP and do not require enchanting to drop.

Kommentar von matthijs183

i just got it now after 17 min , i love it

Kommentar von JuanFernandez77

Confirmed that it drops from Archmage in Tyr's Hand with no Enchanting needed. It did take me quite a bit. As a previous commentator said, "If it's Red, It's dead". Go by the church near the top and go from left, inside the church, then right and back to give the mobs to respawn and hopefully what was a curator will be an Archmage. I had a section with 6 Archmages spawning together.

Kommentar von doomrau

I saw this in auction house for 10k and decided I would rather farm this than go and spend that much for it. As stated in other comments the Praetorian's who are standing still as guards will only ever respawn as either Praetorian's or Curates the ones who patrol can respawn into Archmages a well. As a 120 mage I just ran around and ice lanced everything to death stopped to chat with guildies for a few minutes til they respawned and then repeat. Took me an hour till the first one finally dropped then by some miracle a second dropped with the very next kill. I would not have believed it if I hadn't seen it for myself. picture. Now I can learn one and sell the other in AH lol

Kommentar von togahsisoka

At least as of BFA, you can *NOT* use this enchant on a Starter/Trial account.

I know this because I let my subscription lapse and figured I'd just set up a set of lvl 20 pvp toons for teh lulz and gave 6 of this chant to a warrior I created before my sub ran out. When I finally had some decent blue weapons, I could not use the enchants. It states:

"Not Available for Starter Accounts"

Kommentar von dirch

Still drops from Archmages. Used the delicate tip "slaughter everything red" for ~2 hours.
Almost gave up and send in my highlevel char (well, *my* highlevel) at 85 that grinded around for 20 kills in 2 minutes and bingo there it was.
Got mailed to my enchanter. Job done.

PS. Plus 120 mageweave cloths, 76 silk cloths, 6 greens, 6 Essence of Undeath, 6 Pattern: Red Mageweave Headband and Moonberry Juice to last for a lifetime

Kommentar von Caldonius

Farmed this during 9.0

Took over 300 kills( tracked 266 with Rarity after I remembered to enable it) of Scharlachroter Erzmagier, Scharlachroter Prätorianer, and Scharlachroter Kurat. Their spawns are tied together

To give a good esimate about kill counts I obtained

193x Magiestoff
103x Seidenstoff

during the process. Each npc typically dropped 0-2

Kommentar von LuxF

Finally got it after 5 hours and like 475 dead mobs. It still drops but I feel like it was nerfed. I have max classic enchanting btw. I got 6 Essenz des Untodes too.

Kommentar von Krucible

57 minutes, around 25k in green drops, 10 essence of undeath before it dropped

Kommentar von Vailnite

It needs to be list EVERYWHERE, that you CANNOT farm the enchant if you have already done the quest chain-- The mobs you need simply no longer spawn.

The idiots taking up space in the comment section telling everyone how lucky they are NEED to be down voted so people can see ACTUAL useful info when they come looking for something like this.

EDIT: If you have already completed the EPL story-line, there IS a work-around. Because of how party-sync works, you can now sync with someone who has NOT completed Tyr's Hand yet, and you will be returned to the stage prior to the Argent Dawn taking over.

On a related note, possibly having to farm for 4+ hours is a little much to ask of anyone who would have to stay in group with you, but thanks to level scaling, you can make a trial account, and run said trial up to the EPL to sit with you or follow you around. This is easiest with a paladin due to the order hall having an exit inside of Light's Hope Chapel.

Kommentar von Bobbothy

farmed this on my first try on my arcane mage in 37 minutes by killing all the mobs in the buildings and outside within the walls.

goes for a huge amount of gold on my server, and the enchant is incredible on warrior twinks atm.

Definitely reccommend farming it yourself

Kommentar von di3di3di3

300 kills of archmages so far and no drop.

Kommentar von Imiona

Still drops from Scarlet Archmages in 9.2

Kommentar von marimonk

Droped one January 07 2022 from Scarlet Archmage.

I spent around 3 hours to get the day before, and then 5 min today droped!

I guess its a 50/50 drop chance: will drop or wont drop.

Jokes apart, the respaw rate of mobs are awful, sometimes I logged different characters while waiting for then to respawn. And drop chances are really low indeed.

Also, to learn the spell you need 300 enchanting ''classic''.

Kommentar von Sevi

Like some previous comments already mentioned it's easier to just stay around and in the cathedral in Tyr's End.
I didn't take the effort to make my way to the garrison building /entrance at 75.27, 77.12) because there had been never more than 2 Scharlachroter Prätorianer and/ or Scharlachroter Erzmagier.
I always started at the right side of the cathedral at a well (81.27, 80.38) with a group of 3 mobs and made my way to the left side ending the run in the cathedral itself.

I recommend killing every mob in and around the cathedral because the respawn of Scharlachroter Prätorianer, Scharlachroter Erzmagier and Scharlachroter Kurat seem to be in a random spawn circle.

Overall it took me like two and a half minutes for a whole clear. The group at the well itself always fully respawned within 6-8 minutes.

Kommentar von landnav

Confirmed - vanilla mode mobs - 7/4/2022

Kommentar von SSquirrel

Went to the leftmost location on the map, only found 3 Praetorians. Not the best spot. After trying the 2 smaller buildings on the left, looked at the map again and flew over to the big spot covered in them. 2nd or 3rd guy I killed had one for me. If only Arcanite Champion's plan would finally drop in LBRS.....

Kommentar von Neuf

Unsure if it drops in Chromie time, I didn't see any mention of it. Came here at level 24 and have been farming up to level 31.
The drop rate of 1.5% is simply wrong.

I killed 356 Archmages, 634 Praetorian, and countless Curates. With 355 kills I had a 99.6% chance that at least one of the last 355 kills would have been a drop. And with 634 Praet kills it would be another 19.05% chance for the pattern.

I farmed for maybe 6 hours before receiving the pattern, farming a total of 7 full levels of xp. 479 Mageweave, 284 Silk, 11 Mr. Grubbs pets, 7 Essence of Undeath, 2 blue BoE world drops (with much lower listed drop rates than the pattern itself. 0.04% and 0.01% respectively.

Although the farm isn't difficult, I was able to kill continuously without pausing. I would recommend that anyone attempting this should be level 30 or above.

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