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Kommentar von SoooWhoCares

Abklingzeit: 7 Tage, wird aber erst Mitternacht zurückgesetzt.

Die unter 'Erstellt durch' aufgelisteten Herstellungszauber haben alle eine seperate Abklingzeit von 7 Tagen ab Herstellung. Man kann also pro Schneider einmal jedes dieser aufgelisteten Rezepte nutzen, da sie sich keine Abklingzeit untereinander teilen.

Etwas Besonderes ist das Rezept, das 4 Chaoskugeln verlangt:
Es hat als einziges Rezept keine Abklingzeit, kann also mehrfach hintereinander genutzt werden, solange der Vorrat an Chaoskugeln reicht.

Für die restlichen Rezepte braucht man als Mats pro Woche:
30 Einheiten jedes flüchtigen Elements: Feuer, Erde, Luft, Wasser, Leben
und 40x Glutseidenballen (200x Glutseidenstoff)

= 5x Traumstoff pro Woche möglich

Evtl. lohnt es sich allerdings Wasser und Luft auszulassen bei der Herstellng, da diese Elemente im AH auf manchen Servern viel wert sind.

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Kommentar von Tumaelso

Dreamcloth is made by combining 8 Bolt of Embersilk Cloth with 30 Volatile element (Water, Earth, Life, Fire, Air and Shadow )

There are six patterns to create this cloth (Dream of Azshara, Dream of Deephome, Dream of Hyjal, Dream of Ragnaros, Dream of Skywall and Dream of (Shadow) (The name of the shadow version of the Dreamcloth pattern is currently Unknown)

Also: You can create each type of cloth once a week per Volatile element (Meaning they do NOT share the same cooldown).

Kommentar von nikbos

It would appear that this is used in many cata tailoring plans.
Also...30 of an element seems like a lot, betting volatile's wont be as hard to get in cata.

Kommentar von matoh

Binds when picked up ?

that is not fun ,,, we cannot trade it then...

Kommentar von 300016

Do the patterns creating Dreamcloth share cooldown?

Kommentar von 579648

Well, the dreamcloth may be soulbound, but the stuff it makes isn't.

And from what I heard around here, the six Dreamcloth-making recipes have individual cooldowns.

Kommentar von 463944

I'm assuming that all these dreams will have similar cooldowns than the weekly raid currently has on live. So you can make them once a week but the day doesn't matter. At the moment craftable epic pants and belt will be the best available gear pieces before raid loot and I guess tailors want to make those for themselves asap. You can make at least 5 Dreamclothes per week (Dream of Destruction needs orbs from 5man HC end bosses so everyone can't count on it) and you'll need two weeks clothes for pants and belt. So during the first week, train tailoring up to 515 (or 525 if you can/want make Dream of Destruction), get mats and make Dreamclothes. Wait for the cooldown reset and make rest. And on the eight day, you'll have your new epic pants and belt.

Kommentar von evankimori

Well the near insane cooldown is to obviously prevent Tailors from capitalizing and cornering the market on higher Tier gear and bags too close to Cata's release and swamp the market. More than likely Bliz will reduce this cooldown as Cata proceeds (I'd estimate about 2-3 months in) or remove it on a whole, just like they did with WoTLK's cloth cooldowns.

Kommentar von lormus

Cooldowns are not shared, and reset on the seventh day 0:00.

(It is not linked to raid reset or linked together for the week, just plain 7th day)

Kommentar von 323598

A few facts about the item itself (Note: Some facts have already been posted but i want to compile them)

The crafting action has a cooldown of 7 days meaning that from the second you complete your craft, a countdown will begin counting 7 days minus 2 hours (6 days and 22 hours). It is not a bug. Blizzard simply decided that it is better for players to monitor cooldowns that way since you will still have a theoretical 2 hours before hitting the 7 days "cooldown". It does not reset based on the weekly raid timer nor any other timer.

Using one of the ways to craft the item (eg: Dream of Azshara) triggers a cooldown only on the one you used. They do not share a universal cooldown.

The Dreamcloth is Bound on Pick-up which makes it impossible to sell or trade it and therefore you cannot collect the items yourself for an armor craft or for the enchantment craft.

The Dream of Destruction craft does not have a cooldown. For example if you have 25 chaos orbs and 40 bolts of embersilk you can craft up to 5 dreamcloth in one minute.

Now for a few facts about the items you can craft with Dreamcloth.

The items themselves only require a fixed amount of Dreamcloth and no other materials.

Crafting any of the items does not trigger a cooldown for the item's crafting ability. You can practically make infinite armors based on the amount of Dreamcloth you have.

The full "set" of crafted epic armors is 2 parts. Belt and Pants. The belt requires 4 Dreamcloth and the pants require 6 Dreamcloth. That sums it to a total of 10 Dreamcloth which equals to a total of 300 volatile elements (60 of each kind) and 400 Embersilk Cloth (or 80 Bolts of Embersilk).

If we suppose that a tailor uses all the ways possible to craft Dreamcloth except of the Dream of Destruction (which is completely random since the materials it needs are based on whether you will win a roll or not), he will need 2 weeks minimum, or 14 days. If a tailor is lucky enough to win 10 Chaos orb or he makes an arrangement with his guild to farm those orbs), he can craft two extra pieces of Dreamcloth reducing the time he needs to craft the 2 epics by week, requiring a total of 7 days

Kommentar von 717689

Confirmed that they do not share a cooldown. Just made 2 in a row - from Dream of Azshara and Dream of Hyjal. The cooldown for each is indeed 7 days.

Kommentar von 77283

I asked a gm how the dreamcloth cooldown worked, as i was puzzled about it.
I had made all dreamcloth i could, except destruction, but they all showed the same cooldown which was weird as i did not make them in the same hour.

(forgot to save that chat)

The gm found that weird too, and did not know how the cooldown worked, so he said he would pass the matter to one of his co-workers.

Today i had gotten this answer when i logged on:

Game Master (GM) Response:

Greetings,

I am Game Master Shorkyran and unfortunately my chopper was too slow so i was not able to catch you online.

Thank you very much for your report of this issue with the dreamcloth. It appears that this issue is currently spreading around and we are investigating the cause. I am sorry you are affected by this - our developers will do their best to solve the issue with this cooldown as soon as possible.

I hope you enjoy your day and godspeed, while travelling through Azeroth!

Regards,

Shorkyran, Game Master
Blizzard Entertainment Europe.

So it seems that it's bugged. But how it's intended to be is unclear to me.

Kommentar von 692558

I don't mean to troll, as this is totally unconfirmed but I have heard it in a few places. Apparently if you create a dreamcloth in the zone sharing the same name as the dreamcloth cooldown you are using, there is a chance you can proc a 2nd dreamcloth.

Again I don't know if this is real, but it sure would be nice to find out :)

Kommentar von 666838

Since the discovery that Transmute: Living Elements is influenced by the area in which you craft it in, I thought it possible that the Dreamcloth just might be, too.

I'm sad to report that it is not. I casted Dream of Skywall by the entrance to the Vortex Pinnacle and nothing irregular (double cloth or otherwise) occurred.

Kommentar von Laren

It seems weird that both Dreamcloth and Chaos Orbs are bind on pickup. That means non Tailor caster DPS and healers have to either buy the leg enchant from the AH at crazy prices or rely on guildies and friends to use their once a week cooldowns to keep stocked with the materials.

Once we get epic patterns dropping from raids that need Dreamcloth too, how can it not become a very annoying bottleneck? Or what am I missing?

Kommentar von 676518

It seems weird that both Dreamcloth and Chaos Orbs are bind on pickup.

I'm sure it was intended as a favor towards crafters - recall how people would roll NEED on the frozen orbs whether or not they could use them - now at least you're only competing with your fellow crafters for them.

Making the Dreamcloft BOP is probably a result of the obscene prices we saw on the different specialty cloths last xpac - I just made the volatile life one earlier this evening and not having noticed that it was BOP, checked the AH to see if I wanted to save it for later or make some mad cash off of it.

There were none on AH and figured I was set - toss it up for a few grand and I've just paid to level the rest of my tailoring skill.

Look at the price of truegold right now - it dipped over the weekend a bit but it's back at around 1100-1200 a bar - how much do you think this stuff would run if it was tradable?

Kommentar von Xiuhtec

The crafting action has a cooldown of 7 days meaning that from the second you complete your craft, a countdown will begin counting 7 days minus 2 hours (6 days and 22 hours). It is not a bug. Blizzard simply decided that it is better for players to monitor cooldowns that way since you will still have a theoretical 2 hours before hitting the 7 days "cooldown". It does not reset based on the weekly raid timer nor any other timer.

This is incorrect. The reset is 6 days from the following midnight. Always. If you craft Dreamcloth a minute before midnight, you'll get a 6 day timer, a minute after you'll get a 6 day 23 hour timer. The cooldowns of various recipes for creating Dreamcloth can "line up" in this way as long as you produce them all within the same calendar day (server time).

After having the cooldown timer differ for all three weeks I've produced this cloth so far, I was confused until I realized the reset was always occurring at midnight server time. This gives you a full 24 hour window to produce the cloth without "losing" any time, and won't allow you to "pull in" the cooldown over time either. Most cooldowns of one day or more were changed to this mechanic in Cataclysm (many daily alchemy transmutes also reset at midnight, unlike the old 20 hour mechanic).

Kommentar von 347906

now at least you're only competing with your fellow crafters for them.

I think it is important to note that in order to roll on Chaos Orbs, you only need to possess a crafting possession that uses them of any level.
So, people who neglected to level their professions or just picked up level one for whatever reason, can also take the precious orbs. :(
(Although it does help those that aspire to use them in the future)

Kommentar von 308922

Note that all recipes that use Dreamcloth are sold from the Twilight Highlands vendors, which require level 84 to reach. If you have an alt with tailoring, you'll need to level that alt to 84 in order to use any of their Dreamcloth.

Kommentar von Mdj71

What i dont get is why there is so many different recipees for making dreamcloth.
It seems rather stupid that they didnt just make 1 recipee with 1 week CD and then make it possible to make 6 dreamcloths.

Can anyone explain why they made it as it is now?
Im guessing its because they wanted the different volatiles to be used.

Kommentar von Jushak

true that we cant sell them, however this does hike up prices on the things we make with them ^_^

At least until the M&S crowd who believe that "I farmed the mats so they're free!" start to drag the prices down. Let's face it: the second someone cuts your current selling price by, say, 3000 gold, that's the new "going rate". Combine people who price their clothes to around 50% of current AH market value of the materials and this situation and you can kiss your profits goodbye.

Not trying to be overly pessimistic, but I've seen this happen in every expansion on most high-cost items to the point where crafting any high level recipes was almost guaranteed gold loss.

What this change really means is that Blizzard is forcing tailors to take a risk every time they make a Dreamcloth. If you can't find a buyer for the craft the mats are effectively lost. 2g vendor price on the cloth doesn't make things much better. This also means that you have to decide between bigger risk (i.e. making more cloths that might not get crafted for profits) or slower crafting (i.e. not making these clothes on cooldown to avoid losing gold in case they don't sell).

Kommentar von bkevol

I miss the buff from being a shadow weave tailor, i was hoping to get 2 cloths from doing this ... that was a waste of a quest chain

Kommentar von 346630

To make 5 Dreamcloth/week, the number available without using chaos orbs, you will need:
> 40 Bolts/week (2 stacks), a.k.a. 200 Cloth/week (10 stacks)

Here's how many weeks worth of cooldowns you'll need to craft certain items:

2 piece belt and pants (10 Dreamcloth):

> 2 Weeks
> 80 Bolts (4 stacks), i.e. 400 Cloth (20 stacks)

Illusionäre Tasche (8 Dreamcloth):

> 2 Weeks with 2 Dreamcloth leftover
> 64 Bolts (3.2 stacks) = 320 Cloth (16 stacks)

4x Illusionäre Tasche (enough for all 4 bag slots, 32 Dreamcloth):

> 6 weeks with 3 Dreamcloth leftover
> 256 Bolts (12.8 stacks), ergo 1280 Cloth (64 stacks)

Notes:

This is a post about materials costs, so the number of "weeks" means the number of cooldowns. If you want to calculate the time until you will have enough Dreamcloth, subtract one from the number of weeks required, but only if your first set of cooldowns is ready now. Thanks to Dyskord for pointing this out, see his post for more info.

This is a post about cloth requirements. There are also Volatile element requirements. Those are 30 of each element per week, for a total of 150 volatile elements per week.

"Cloth" means Embersilk Cloth, "Bolts" means Bolts of Embersilk Cloth

Kommentar von 561234

What is the easiest volatile to farm?

Given that I am not a herbalist/miner/engineer/skinner.

Kommentar von 495933

Your lucky, on my server they are going 200g a stack.

Not sure how you can get any luckier than THAT!

Volatiles stack size is 200 and if they sell for 200g per stack... dang thats 1g per! If I thought it were really true I'd load up a lvl 85 with max gold and tons o big bags and pay the server xfer fee x2 ... I'd be the richest guy hanging out in SW ... doing.... nothing... :)

Kommentar von Eatspie

In the latest "Ask the Devs" Q&A on professions, they announced that Chaos Orbs are going to be sellable in the near future. This will be very helpful in crafting dreamcloth. Personally, I have around 30-40 chaos orbs sitting on various alts who no longer have any real use for them, it will be nice to be able to send these to my tailor to get dreamcloth crafted.

Kommentar von RicardoZ

I have 502 Tailoring but my trainer won't train me in how to make Dreamcloth. I'm level 85 and have the appropriate skill level...so...why not?

Kommentar von Duenan

Can anyone tell me what the going rate for Dreamcloth is? I keep looking around and am finding nothing, would like to know what tailors are selling these for since they are BoP.

Kommentar von Jordanaxdkx

as of this post, still a 7 day cooldown for dreamcloth made with volatiles. there is no cooldown for dreamcloth made with chaos orbs.

Kommentar von r00st3r

With patch 5.2 on the "horizon", the 7 day cooldown still exists. I'll test the PTR to see if there is any change there.

Kommentar von Skullhawk13

Due to dreamcloth being used for things that will always hold value, IE bags and novelty items, don't hold your breath for the cooldown to be removed.

Kommentar von GraysonCarlyle

The cast time for the recipes that make Dreamcloth was reduced from 10s to 1.5s in 9.1!

Kommentar von Utharkruna

As of 'Time Walking' dung's and the marrying of multi-realm Auction Houses the items required to make Dream Cloth using 'Dream of Chaos' are trivial and can be sourced on a whim and inexpensively.

Kommentar von Sezela

How do we learn the pattern to create Dreamcloth? The profession tab says: "Recipe Unlearned". I have been searching for some time now but to no avail.

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