SDCC 2016 Blizzard Exclusives, Upcoming Legion Raid Testing, Outlaw and Subtlety Rogue Feedback, Titanforged Feedback

[posted 2016.06.29 um 22:17 by perculia]

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Outlaw Rogue Feedback

Sigma

While we like having the variance in outcome from Schicksalswürfel (which is the entire concept of the ability), we agreed that the extreme outlier of the 0-damage Gezinkte Würfel buff often felt bad. We redesigned Gezinkte Würfel into a more typical DPS outcome, and added a survivability buff to Handgemenge, which is now one of the lower-DPS outcomes. That survivability buff may need to be tuned, but is intended to have a similar benefit to the old Gezinkte Würfel. Because this is overall a significant buff to Roll the Bones, we may have to adjust tuning elsewhere; in particular, Zerhäckseln will likely have to be buffed again to match it.

Subtlety Rogue Feedback

Ornyx

We do recognize that there is contention around the change we made to Shadow Dance with it no longer using the stealth bar and that it's no longer a macro conditional.

Simply put, we don’t want macros or UI mods to conditionally merge abilities for you (ie, we don’t want you to be able to merge Fireball and Pyroblast in a macro, etc). This is similar to how we no longer allow you to merge Meucheln and Schattenschlag. There’s a couple of goals here, but the main one is that these abilities should all feel like they have very firm distinctions from each other, and it’s okay for you to have to press an extra button in order to achieve that.

Subtlety has been a bit of a stand-out in this for some time now, as some have mentioned here, but we want to bring the spec in-line with Legion, so we’ve opted to not allow Schattenschlag to be merged with other abilities through the use of macros. The same goes for Schattentanz, etc.

I would say that generally the use case of abilities while in/out of combat are very different, and with Rogues we do want to keep the use of the Stealth bar while out of combat to concrete that difference.
We could have gone that direction, but we chose not to. There are a couple of reasons here, but just to note: Druids have a ton of abilities, and there was little distinction between the abilities you mentioned in general. Feral Druids in particular also do not have any major emphasis on in-combat stealth, so you don't typically use both spells in those pairs intermixed.

Comparing that to Subtlety Rogues: Meucheln and Schattenschlag are both used rotationally, and we opted to not let them be merged. We decided instead to differentiate them as much as possible (replacing Ambush with Schattenschlag), such as by adding the teleport on to Schattenschlag.

Legion Raid Testing

Watcher

This coming Friday, we will be opening the second wing of the Emerald Nightmare raid for testing in Raid Finder mode. This wing contains Ursoc, Dragons of Nightmare, and Cenarius. Players level 100+ may queue, and players' level and item level will be scaled accordingly.

Once the raid is available for testing, please use this thread for any feedback on mechanics, clarity, tuning, bugs, etc.

Watcher

Game Designer
On Friday, July 1 through Tuesday, July 5, we will continue our Legion raid testing.

On Friday, we will open up the "Tormented Guardians" Raid Finder wing of the Emerald Nightmare raid. That section includes the bosses Ursoc, Dragons of Nightmare, and Cenarius. It will remain open throughout the weekend.

On Tuesday, we will test two more Mythic Nighthold bosses.

Tuesday, July 5

Tichondrius - Mythic Nighthold
13:30 PDT (16:30 EDT, 22:30 CEST)

Grand Magistrix Elisande - Mythic Nighthold
15:00 PDT (18:00 EDT, 00:00 CEST)

Titanforged Updates

Watcher

Just want to drop some feedback from our normal mode Emerald Nightmare regarding titanforged loot. Of course, there's no way for me to really know whether this came down to pure absolutely dumb luck or maybe something is wrong, but in a 25ish man raid after killing all 3 bosses, we came out with 1 single piece of +5 warforged gear and 2 pieces of 890 titanforged gear.

Seems strange that we saw only 1 piece of loot that gained +5 item levels but 2 pieces on back to back bosses that went +40 when the chance of that is supposedly incredibly small. Of course like I said, we could just be so incredibly lucky that we might have to consider buying lottery tickets.

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Kommentar von sakera Never really been a fan of the Funko Pop figures, but I do really like those 'Warglaives of Azzinoth' pins. Kommentar von Felross Exclusive pins? Why Blizzard? Why! Kommentar von Aeriesara i need that diablo! D: Kommentar von Interest Hm, that's not the Titanforged feedback addressing I imagined... Nice to see they care about random chance weighing though. Kommentar von hotaru251 Exclusive pins? Why Blizzard? Why!Kommentar von iceman994 Please nerf rogues. Like Sub.
Still so hard to survive a rogue open. Kommentar von Trang0ul There are definitely bugs currently, and the upgrade rates are not reflective of what you'll see in the final system. Specifically, low-end upgrades like +5 and +10 are comparatively uncommon, while "jackpot" situations like the 890 from Normal that you saw are far, far too common. I'll update this thread when those bugs are fixed, but the philosophies and examples laid out earlier in the discussion are still applicable.Kommentar von MrNord What about paladin feedback? There are over 85 pages of feedback on retribution paladin, and there is still no response at all. Kommentar von pmkaboo There are definitely bugs currently, and the upgrade rates are not reflective of what you'll see in the final system. Specifically, low-end upgrades like +5 and +10 are comparatively uncommon, while "jackpot" situations like the 890 from Normal that you saw are far, far too common. I'll update this thread when those bugs are fixed, but the philosophies and examples laid out earlier in the discussion are still applicable.Kommentar von tookietook i know it was a loss of dps and all but i was kinda ok with the stupidly powerful healing buff it was what 3 or 5% of my hp every sec! yes it gave no dps but it also wasnt hard to get another 6 combo points to toss another roll the bones to over ride it or get another buff with it. i suppose im not one of the top raiding rogues out thier but im also not a casule at it either i think they should of kept it as is or made it pop up less than the rest or always with another as didnt they take multi strike out cause it was to rng in the first place but hey all in all i love the talent keep it up just give me a very piratey theamed tier or xmog i can get an im happy! dont for get the big hat with a feather plum to make a peacock insucure! Kommentar von tookietook Please nerf rogues. Like Sub.
Still so hard to survive a rogue open.Kommentar von Grishann Maybe it's time to fix energy management and Schattennova instead of this minor problem with stealth bar? Kommentar von Jhakuzi What about paladin feedback? There are over 85 pages of feedback on retribution paladin, and there is still no response at all.Kommentar von wrongheaded I think if players want to make a conditional macro they should be allowed to. Druids are actually a good example, because they have enough abilities in each form that I use a second bar to hold some of them. It would make things a lot easier if some of those slots on the second bar could contain conditional macros where the spell cast depends on what form I'm in. Kommentar von stym I think if players want to make a conditional macro they should be allowed to. Druids are actually a good example, because they have enough abilities in each form that I use a second bar to hold some of them. It would make things a lot easier if some of those slots on the second bar could contain conditional macros where the spell cast depends on what form I'm in.Kommentar von Herukakaya Never been able to understand why Funko Pops are even a thing. Kommentar von lankybrit There are definitely bugs currently, and the upgrade rates are not reflective of what you'll see in the final system. Specifically, low-end upgrades like +5 and +10 are comparatively uncommon, while "jackpot" situations like the 890 from Normal that you saw are far, far too common. I'll update this thread when those bugs are fixed, but the philosophies and examples laid out earlier in the discussion are still applicable.Kommentar von Kuipo I've never liked them much either but clearly they are very popular. I feel like I'm missing something haha. Kommentar von Jaredius But, people do survive Rogue opens so.... Kommentar von Deedub Please nerf rogues. Like Sub.
Still so hard to survive a rogue open.

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