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Blizzard Posts: Dec 13th Hotfixes, Upcoming Legendary Changes, Unholy DKs and Apocalypse

geposted 2016.12.13 um 19:29 von perculia

Apokalypse7.1.5 Legendary Item PreviewEdit:December 13th Hotfixes

Blizzard

HotfixesDungeons and RaidsTrial of ValorHelya

Resolved an issue where Helya's Verseuchung des Meeres on Mythic difficulty would sometimes cast at incorrect times in Stage One.

Player versus Player

Players can now reach Prestige level 8.Rogue

(Assasination) Agility increased by 5%.
(Outlaw) Agility increased by 5%.

Warlock

(Affliction) Intellect decreased by 5%.

Death Knight

(Frost) Stamina reduced by 10%.

Monk

(Windwalker) Schlag des Windlords now deals 60% damage in PvP.
(Windwalker) Furorfäuste now deals 85% damage in PvP.

Priest

Abbitte effect increased by 10% in PvP.

Druid

(Restoration) Verhärtete Rinde (Honor Talent) now increases the damage reduction of Eisenborke by 15% (was 30%).

Upcoming Legendary Changes

Lore

As we mentioned this during the live Q&A last week, we feel the biggest shortcoming of the current Legendary system is that, for some specs, there are some items that are clearly better than others in nearly all situations. As a result, players who have received a different Legendary item feel unlucky, as they didn’t receive the “best” one.

So, we’re making some fairly substantial changes to Legendary items intended to bring them more in line with each other. Items that give a raw throughput increase (without significant situational restrictions or drawbacks) are having their overall power reduced, and we’re taking another pass at several of the more niche items to make sure that, when they’re usable, they feel powerful.

Essentially, we feel that if a Legendary is only usable in certain situations, it should feel extremely valuable in those situations. Conversely, if a Legendary is nearly always going to increase your overall performance, that increase should be relatively smaller. Up until this point, we’ve made the mistake of allowing several items to be both extremely impactful AND always useful, which has made other Legendaries feel “bad” by comparison. It’s also caused some specs to feel as though they need a particular Legendary in order to compete. Those are the issues we’d like to solve.

We’re actively working on these changes right now and expect to have them ready for the next PTR build. We’ll be doing additional class tuning where necessary as a followup, once these changes are in place.
Instead we are faced with the daunting possibility that we may simply never get a useful legendary. That is not fun, its repeatedly disappointing.

I really hope you guys learn from the system and the next iteration of legendaries is purely defensive/utility and no outright dps legendary affixes. They would be much more fair/balanced if they were that way.With some, as Die vierte Lektion des Instrukteurs for Unholy DKs, it is MANDATORY. This legendary is -required- for us to perform even remotely on par with other DPS classes.Just use a legendary token system.

Problem solved.Another problem not mentioned here is being spec-locked because of legendaries. I have X on my spec, so can't freely switch without feeling behind. AP already contributes to this problem but at least can be caught up -- legendaries, with soft caps and what not, just make it impossible to switch.Unholy Death Knights

Sigma

Quick note on a small upcoming change: in the next PTR build, Apokalypse will burst up to 6 Schwärende Wundes (instead of 8). However, the damage of the summoned ghouls will be increased by 33% (which will not be obvious from data), keeping the total the same. This is also a large buff to the damage of Armee der Toten. Finally, in a separate change, the damage of Gargoyle beschwören and Val'kyr (Dunkle Richterin) will be increased.
However, will Apokalypse continue to burst 4 wounds in pvp?

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Kommentar von Whulfgar1 This is scary... Kommentar von Rilgon "Essentially, we feel that if a Legendary is only usable in certain situations, it should feel extremely valuable in those situations."

Oh good, so they're *NO PATH FOUND* buffing the god-awful *YOU CAN'T USE THAT HERE* Demonic Portal pants, *NO PATH FOUND* yeah? Kommentar von Bladehawk Painful, I'm sure, for those lucky ones who've gotten BiS Legendaries, but it has to be done. There will always be "best" Legendaries, but if the gap isn't substantial, as it can be for some specs right now, it's not a problem IMO. I'm interested to see what Legendaries will be getting buffed, to be honest. They seemed to have addressed the worst ones (Prydaz, Sephuz) already. Kommentar von Rilgon They seemed to have addressed the worst ones (Sephuz) already.Kommentar von ONCHEhap They seemed to have addressed the worst ones (Sephuz) already.Kommentar von Elyseon What were they thinking? Kommentar von AdusSA "Everyone who hates the legendary system please calm down! We're going to fix everything! First: Nerf all the good legendaries. 2nd: ? 3rd: Profit." Kommentar von NeVeRLiFt They seemed to have addressed the worst ones (Sephuz) already.Kommentar von Zwolf2062 unholy still doesn't get much glad its my main Kommentar von Dracul1 I actually like this change to Apocalypse :D now being able to summon 6 ghouls with the str of 8 with out bursting all 8 of your stacks so you can use the remaining 2 with a follow up scourge strike instead of waiting for runes to recharge to apply more will imo improve rotation flow and possibly even increase overall dps :D now if only they could severely nerf the rareness of the hidden skin proc that it causes so we can have a better chance of obtaining it, it would be a great day. Kommentar von SaintStryfe I think they're regretting the legendary system simply for the sheer amount of whining its causing among the stupider members of the WoW community who think enough of that whining will give them a DPS boost.

(ever notice with this sort of thing, it's always a DPS boost, never a survivability buff or a healing boost, but ALWAYS DPS? huh, wonder why...) Kommentar von Bethgael Another problem not mentioned here is being spec-locked because of legendaries. I have X on my spec, so can't freely switch without feeling behind. AP already contributes to this problem but at least can be caught up -- legendaries, with soft caps and what not, just make it impossible to switch.Kommentar von Panthrax I think they're regretting the legendary system simply for the sheer amount of whining its causing among the stupider members of the WoW community who think enough of that whining will give them a DPS boost.

(ever notice with this sort of thing, it's always a DPS boost, never a survivability buff or a healing boost, but ALWAYS DPS? huh, wonder why...)Kommentar von Istaro In blue post follow ups, Lore stated that if Blizzard were to redo the system now, they'd likely only have utility legendaries.Kommentar von hotaru251 They seemed to have addressed the worst ones (Sephuz) already.Kommentar von Interest They seemed to have addressed the worst ones (Sephuz) already.Disagree. "Just let me pick the best Legendary" doesn't solve this particular problem; there shouldn't be one or two Legendaries that are far and away the best one in all situations. With the way these items are in 7.1, if we add such a system, everyone will just pick the best 2 for their spec and the rest will still suck. We'd rather that none of them sucked.

And just to be clear: something like what you (and others) are describing here is not off the table. Ion even mentioned at BlizzCon that we may end up doing something along those lines in a later patch. It just doesn't solve this problem.worth a staggering amount of DPS
"Basically the idea is Blizzard can't achieve total balance. That's nearly impossible and honestly, after watching the video on the concept of perfect imbalance that's preferable. Expecting Blizz to balance every legendary in a way that suits literally every player, even for utility legendaries, is just not going to happen.

And that's where the concept of choosing a legendary can be useful. It literally provides a choice of what sort of style a player prefers to go with, which is also the design intention of.....MoP talents! Assuming all legendaries are relatively balanced within maybe 5% damage boost to each other, I might want a flat pet damage boost + the utility or a 20% reduction to Focus costs in Bestial Wrath since I can also create a talent build around it (for BM).

I think Blizzard should do both what they're doing and also add the "choose a legendary to pursue" system as a result of the aforementioned thought process."Kommentar von Rilgon They seemed to have addressed the worst ones (Sephuz) already.Kommentar von Taenamyr Here's an idea how to fix the "legendary" problem. Make the current legion legendary items purple, decrease the stats a little so they are still really good world drop epics (because that is basically what they are, world epics with extra bonus text) and make an actual, real legendary like we had Pre-MoP that required either a quest line or raid progression. The system in Legion has no legendary items, they are in no way special, and there is nothing that makes them legendary. The WoD was not that great either as it was a relatively easy quest line you could do mostly in LFR and using the LFG tool. At least with MoP there were class / spec specific challenges as part of the quest line. There used to be only one or two of a legendary item in a guild, not every one can have one. It makes them less special and takes away from the importance of having a raid group / guild to progress with. This whole "every one gets all the legendary items" is kinda boring and a little lame on Blizzard's part, it's kind of a cop-out to make all the special snowflakes get something that has a special effect with out having to actually do the work to put a legendary quest line into the game. Stop being lazy and make a real legendary item and put a quest in for it. Go back to the way it was before. Please? Make legendary items mean something more than oh you don't have an item with orange text that can drop off of any random mob or treasure in the whole zone? sorry you aren't good enough to join this mythic dungeon run. Kommentar von TwoAngel "As we mentioned this during the live Q&A last week, we feel the biggest shortcoming of the current Legendary system is that, for some specs, there are some items that are clearly better than others in nearly all situations. As a result, players who have received a different Legendary item feel unlucky, as they didn’t receive the “best” one."

Why ? Isn't that a part of the game. Getting the one item u really didnt exspect ? Kommentar von Furydeath i still dont have two legendarys -.-

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