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Kommentar von 8528

If you are a rogue going the subtletry route hemorrhage (or hemo) is a must. With the low energy cost, and the ability to use it with any weapon, you can build up combo points fast while dealing decent damage. Isn't as much burst damage as it is steady constant damage.

PvE low reccomendation
PvP high reccomendation

Kommentar von 154400

Is it advisable to use a slow offhand weapon too?

Kommentar von 195355

Hemo bonus damage is affected by armor. Testing indicates hemo bonus damage is applied before crit, and lethality / backstab multipliers.

See: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=1D620F14494A06F9B3BDA6159D53E743.app05_08?topicId=11471272&sid=1&pageNo=1

Outdated but still a good resource.

Kommentar von 293348

I have a couple of questions.

1) Does the debuff apply to DoTs, such as bleed effects?

2) Will the debuff be added onto subsequent hemorrhages?

Kommentar von 78038

Would this move replace Sinister strike? Such low energy cost and seems to do slightly more damage than Sinister Strike.

Kommentar von Archangel

This is a skill which completely changes a Rogues build. Once it is obtained, and assuming the Rogue is not Combat specced, Hemo becomes the main attack.

The idea behind a Hemo build utilizes it's light energy cost coupled with a high damage range weapon. Previously, it required a Sword, Axe, or Mace as it is normalized, lowering damage output with Dagger, but this has since changed. Fully upgraded, Hemo will only cost 30 Energy and deal about 75% the damage of Sinister Strike.

Why use this? Well, the damage is not really an issue. The biggest reason to use it as Sub is two-fold; firstly, it is a low energy attack which has good synergy with the slow energy regen of sub rogues, and secondly, it is a combo point generator for Sub. Sub has great combo point generation from Stealth, but into a fight it sucks. This tool help Sub rogues stay competitive IN the fight rather than just in the beginning.

Kommentar von 65831

1) Hemo
2) Mangle
3) FeralDrood DoTs
4) ?
5) Profit!
Isn't it?

Kommentar von 148007

Can someone explain to me - what is "bleed effects"? Is Garrote oder Rupture causes target to bleed?..

Kommentar von bflance

personally i use hemo only once in the beginning of the fight, and re-apply it once the debuff effect ended.
my main attack and combo generator is back stab.
I think that hemo is a great way to add some damage, when use with rupture and garrote in some pve encounters, but frankly only in some 5man dungeons bosses have enough hp to outlast the effects of those debuffs, and in raids u would go muttilate anyway and in pvp most rogues go ambush all the way.
but still, i think this is a nice way to do with heavy armored openents that simply mitigate too much of your nuke attacks and you want to benefit from dots.

Kommentar von 227695

Hemorrhage
H emo rrhage
H emo rage
emo rage

ofc its bleed dmg

Kommentar von 583111

Does anyone know if bleed effects that allready are on the target, will gain the benefit from this when it is applied? For example, IF i should choose to use Garrote as an opener, which has a bleed effect, will the dmg of tics increase after applying Hemorrhage? And will the dmg from tics from Rupture still be increased if this runs out before Rupture?

Kommentar von parazyte

Although you can use hemo with any weapon, please don't ever use it with a dagger =P

Totally wrong. It IS normalised. You SHOULD use it with a dagger even if it wasnt. +30% rupture dmg.

Kommentar von parazyte

I would beg to differ about both your statements:

If Hemo isnt on the target when you apply Garrote then the Garrote will see no benefit of slapping a Hemo on it afterwards.
If you apply Hemo and then slap a Rupture on it, when you refresh it with serrated blades it will be refreshed to its original state (Hemo buff taken into account) even if the Hemo effect has disappeared.

Kommentar von 397420

does anyone know
if the dmg of your hemo is increased with
a dagger in OH & sword in MH?
& + for subtle would it be best to go with
A) slow (Sword) MH & quick (dagger) OH
B) Slow (dagger) MH & quick (dagger) OH

Kommentar von 129192

Yes, another thing to consider is that poisons on PPM benefit from being applied to slower weapon which results in 34.39% higher chance to proc with a slow MH over a dagger, which might even out in auto-attacking,
BUT We're talking insanely cheap, spammable attack Blutsturz

1.8 Speed - 64.29%
2.6 Speed - 92.86%

Kommentar von 892176

lol

"Buff"
Increases damage taken from bleed effects by 30%

More like a debuff...

Kommentar von Mormodes

If you are looking to track the glyph debuff (without Hemorrhage coming up instead) try using the spell id 89775

This is the link to the actual 24 second debuff: Hemorrhage

Blizzard gave both debuffs the same name, which make this difficult to track with addons such as Power Auras. I use TellMeWhen to track mine.

Kommentar von 66349

This following assaults from giant tentacles makes a certain amount of sense.

Kommentar von Freedox

Oke just to get this clear
Will one when one has a dagger in his main hand, and a other weapon (for example a fist weapon) in his off hand still get the 203% weapon bonus, instead of the 140%.
I think you do.
Care to clarify?

Kommentar von 319936

for Subtlety Schurke, Blutsturz replaces Sinister Strike.

Kommentar von Whiterock

Also known as Facestab.

Kommentar von 1101319

This ability is just pure dog*&^%!

I have a few problems with it. First of all, why is Sub tree so bleed heavy? I do not understand the current developers of this game, I really dont. Sub was never based on bleeds, it was more reliant on pure physical damage. With Cataclysm and Mist of pandaria sub tree changed to having just a whackload of dots. This is wrong. It shouldnt be like that.

Now since i laid that out here

The dot. Sure, one can think what huzzah! Free damage
And secondly it is the cheapest dot out there which comes built in, we could keep all those pesky stealthies in sight . Cool huh? Try again

First off, Sub rogues now have their Sinister Strike gone and Hemorrhage has nowhere near the damage output of sinister strike; Backstab is now learned at level 40 instead of teens which is also a massive blow to sub rogue damage.

Especially for Free-To-Play and level 19 rogue twinks , they have no other abilities and must use this low damage garbage.
This Dot also breaks Blind,Sap and Gouge...i mean before you could just put on instant poison or crippling or something and not have any stupid dots breaking your incapacitates. Now? No choice this weetaded ability just hinders all your work.

Lastly, this is what this ability is supposed to do and did before--Blutsturz
THIS is the old-school hemmorhage not this dot-bleed nonsense . What you did is, you would debuff the enemy with hemorrhage(and build up combo points) ,then unleash a big Backstab or Evisecrate crit on a worn down enemy. It really had a tactical advantage against warriors and big plate targets and such since energy cost was much less then Backstab/Sinster , and you would have 5 points up in no time along with a debuffed enemy which was ready for a huge damage crit.

Funny how a plenty of mobs still use it hah(##RESPBREAK##)16##DELIM##Sas148##DELIM##

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Blutsturz

Blutsturz

30 Energie	Nahkampfreichweite

Sofort

Reißt eine blutige Wunde in das Ziel, was (8.2212% of Attack power) körperlichen Schaden verursacht und den durch Eure Fähigkeiten erlittenen Blutungsschaden des Ziels 20 sec lang um 25% erhöht.

Gewährt 1 Combopunkt.

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20 sekunden

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Physisch

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n/a

Bannart

n/a

GCD-Kategorie

Normal

Kosten

30 Energie

Reichweite

5 Meter (Kampf)

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Sofort

Abklingzeit

n/a

GCD

1 sekunde

Effekt #1

Dummy (SP mod: 0.25)
PVP-Multiplikator: 1
Serverseitiges Skript

Effekt #2

School Damage (Physisch) (AP mod:0.082212)
PVP-Multiplikator: 1

Effekt #3

Give Power (Combopunkte)
Wert: 1
PVP-Multiplikator: 1

Effekt #4

Apply Aura: [Mod All Damage Done % by Caster]
Wert: 25%
PVP-Multiplikator: 1
Betroffene Zauber:

	Erdrosseln		Blutung

Effekt #5

Apply Aura: [Periodic Dummy]
Intervall: 20 sekunden
PVP-Multiplikator: 1

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Ist Fähigkeit
Kann nicht verwendet werden, während Ihr gestaltverwandelt seid
Waffe nicht wegstecken
Aura ist Debuff
Initiiere Kampf (aktiviert Auto-Attack)
Benötige alle Ziele
Macht bei verfehlen ignorieren
Keine Voraussetzung für Proc-Ausrüstung
Benötigt eine Haupthandwaffe
Periodisch kann kritisch treffen
Aura zeigt auf Clienten
Ermögliche Procs von Klassenfähigkeiten
Zeige persönliche Buffs/Debuffs an Namensplaketten
Periodisch erneuert Dauerverlängerung

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