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Kommentar von 12070

Currently, the only way to learn this flask is to "Discover" it. In TBC, alchemists discover the new flasks by making already known potions.

Old flask recipes can be got by doing rep grinds;
Flask of Chromatic Resistance: Exalted - Lower City
Flask of Distilled Wisdom: Exalted - Cenarion Expedition
Flask of Supreme power: Exalted - Keepers of Time
Flask of the Titans: Exalted - The Sha'tar

Interestingly, There is no known new, upgraded Flask of supreme power.

Kommentar von ubermonkey

Learned while crafting "Elixir of Major Agility". Elixir Master too.

Kommentar von Chillincold

Guide to discovering potions/flasks/elixirs/transmutes.

For the casual gamer:
- Make sure your transmutation is always on cooldown. (You would probably log in at the same time everyday for a few hours, so keep a few reagents in your bag and do a transmute everytime its up.)

- Make potions and elixirs that you use although buying them from the auction house maybe cheaper than buying the reagents. ( You would probably have a cash flow set back so my advice is to have your second profession as herbalism to have a continuous supply of your own reagents.)

- Make yourself known to your guildmates and in game friends that you are an alchemist so that when party/raid members run low on potions/elixirs you can make some on the spot and charge them for it. (Try to keep stock of vials and herbs for potions/elixirs that move fast e.g netherbloom, terocone, mountain silversage, felweed, dreaming glory, etc...)

- My personal recomendations to such a gamer is to be a potion master. (Please don't flame me with your never ending argument on which mastery is better. I just think that a casual gamer trying to be a mobile alchemy auction house, potions are the most likely item people run out of that are essential to a raid/heroic.)

For the power gamer:
- Your transmutation timer has no excuse to be up. (If you're absent minded or loose track of time, set an alarm.)

- Make potions and elixirs that suffice your usage. Craft the item of your chosen mastery. Spread your crafts on a few items so you don't flood the auction house with one item. You should be able to be the most competetive seller since your procs yield you extra items. ( After a week or two you will be familiar with the items that sell and those that dont. Make more of the ones that do sell.)

- Make macros to advertise yourself as an alchemist on general chat when you cross teritories and trade chat when ur at a major city. (I find that listing some of your best potions/elixirs/flasks helps because not everyone is an alchemist and not everyone knows the available items in alchemy.)

- My personal recomendations to such a gamer is to be a elixir master. (Please don't flame me with your never ending argument on which mastery is better. I just think that a power gamer can spread his liabilities as there are a lot more elixirs compared to potions and such a gamer would be able to gather materials to create flasks {falls under elixir mastery}.)

Tips
- Always have reagents in your bag. If you run low on bag space priorotise for reagents on tansmutations.

- Make frequent trips to the auction house to know prices or download a mod that helps do it for you. I have mods but I still rely on my memory for all alchemy stuff because for alchemy its not an average of price over time. Its the price on that day, that week or that month. If your server is in end game you will be looking at completely different prices of all alchemy items compared to a server that has newly begun.

- Make frequent trips to the auction house to know your competitiors. If you can't beat their prices make a pact with them (e.g. you make certain items they make certain items, or if you're different masteries you should recomend your fellow customers to each other.)

- {More for power gamers} Be up to date on how far and how fast your server is progressing. This way you can be the first to be there with the items. (e.g. I sold more than 250 stacks of greater arcane protection potions alothough i knew how to make major arcane protection potions. At this point in time we're 3-4 months into the expansion and most players are still trying to save up cash or simply can't afford the major potions. On my server now, most guilds dont need them for the curator fight in karazhan but before they were experienced in taking him down they we're willing to pay my outrageous prices to have an edge on the encounters.)

Kommentar von Chillincold

Dirty tricks:
Knowing the backdoors in every game and business encounter definately helps. Since this is the low down section of my thread, and undenyably unscrupulous. I will only let you in on one of the not so sinster of my plots. (For my own conscience sake I don't want to corrupt the world.)

- {For herbalists} If you know of an item that sells well but its reagents are never on the auction house, create an alternate character and park him at an auction house. Advertise items that require this reagent and sell it for double or triple the price on your alternate character so that the buyer doesn't know that its you. (e.g. Not many people know about greater arcane elixir, and its a great elixir for casters altough its a lower level elixir compared to post TBC items. I sell reagents such as dreamfoil and mountain silversage at triple the normal price on my alternate character. My customers usually ask me if they are usually that expensive, I either tell them "Yeah thats the normal price nowadays." or "Thats cheap!!")

From past experience I have to state this for my peace of mind. Please dont send me a mail or ask me for more details on the "Dirty tricks" section. Thank you for reading my post, and if you slept half way... DUDE/DUDET you missed out, what were you thinking trying to sleep in one of my lectures!

Kommentar von krimsinkourier

Just discovered this flask on 5/24/07. Was Making Super Mana Pots at the time. So as of the Patch 2.1 this is working fine =).

Kommentar von 44207

Got this one and the arcane one a split second after eachother. Made about 20 greater agility elixers, on elixer 10 i got this, on elixer 11 i got the arcane one :))

2.1 works fine

Kommentar von noherczeg

I got this while making Elixir of Major FOrtification.

Kommentar von 48511

do you have to have your skill lvl at 375 to discover new potions?

Kommentar von 65684

Got this when i made a few Fotitude potions

Kommentar von 49398

I also got this exact flask while making Fortitude potions. Is there a specific potion make to discover specific flask.

Also discovered Transmute Primal Life into Earth when transmuting

Kommentar von Dejmos

other dmg schools
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=28590#z0z

Kommentar von 7450

Finally something new for casters :)

Kommentar von 17169

You dont have to make flasks to discover this do ya, since elixirs count as flasks?

Kommentar von 38021

The "Discovery" recipes can be found by making ANY high-level Alchemy recipes. The number and what are random, I believe. That being said, WTB discovery of FoPD

Kommentar von Thistle

I discovered this while making an Elixir of Major Fortitude.
Strange is that I only have 324 in alchemy skill and the quick facts here says: Requires Alchemy (360)

Kommentar von Ludwick

Requirements to make a discovery

You must be crafting a potion, elixir, flask or performing a transmutation that was added in TBC.

As a rule of thumb that's anything that is learnt from a master alchemy trainer, dropped from a mob in outland or purchased from a vendor in outland. The only real exceptions are the pre-TBC flasks that have been made available from faction vendors in outland.

NOT requirements to make a discovery

You don't need to be in outland
You don't need a mastery
You don't need to be 375 alchemy
You don't need to be level 70
You don't need to craft yellow or orange recipes to make discoveries. Even grey recipes can proc discoveries
You don't need to be crafting a related recipe *except* in the case of cauldrons (You can discover flasks when making potions for example)

List of recipes learned by discovery (accurate as of 29/01/2008)

Flasks

Potions

Super Rejuvenation Potion

Transmutes

Cauldrons - To discover these you need to be crafting the related major protection potion. Cauldron of Major Holy Protection is believed to be non-existent. The discovery of these recipes is much more likely.
Cauldron of Major Arcane Protection
Cauldron of Major Fire Protection
Cauldron of Major Frost Protection
Cauldron of Major Nature Protection
Cauldron of Major Shadow Protection

Kommentar von 34525

I like to use this along with superior wizard oil +42 spl dmg. Gives you a nice +122 spl dmg bonus :)

Kommentar von 62118

Anyone know what the % of discovering a flask is because ive been making alot of pots and never discovered.

Kommentar von 28948

very, very low if it is the same proc rate as transmute discoveries, which btw I have only have triggered while doing some other transmutation...

I have been doing a transmute a day (with very few exceptions) for the last 3 months and got 4 discoveries. Add that to the amount of potions and elixirs I have made and never ever got any other discovery.

I would'nt count on being able to farm this stuff unless yo have unimited herb supply in some way.

Kommentar von Baerce

Discovered this flask yesterday when making some Elixirs of Draenic Wisdom. It's my second discovery. First one was Transmute: Primal Fire to Primal Mana while making the Skyfire Diamond for my Alchemist Stone.

Think the trick to make a discovery is to not think about it, because if you want something you never going to get it. I know, I really want the Idol of the Emerald Queen and it's just not dropping for me. I have seen all the other items drop, but not this one. So from now on, I don't want it :) Think that is the trick with discoveries too. Just don't focus on it and be happy when you make a discovery.

Kommentar von 160764

I discovered this Flask while making a batch of Adept Elixirs. So far this is my sixth discovery. Like Elahna said, Do not think about trying to make a discovery.. it'll basically happen when it happens. I've made tons of pots/elixirs, possibly three or four thousand and it's completely random. I've actually had two discoveries while making a very large batch of Draenic Wisdom Elixirs. After those two discoveries I didn't get another one for probably two weeks.

Moral of the story.. Continue making your pots like normal and you will eventually get it, hopefully. Don't stress about it, just do your thing.

EDIT:
A few hours after writing this post, I obtained my seventh discovery by creating a Primal Might.

Kommentar von 168235

I had been an alchemist for about half a year. I have all the transmute recipes and all flask recipes learnt. Besides this one.
Made thousands of flasks, millions of elixirs and about a billion of potions.
Everything. All flasks. Besides this one. Complete random.

Kommentar von 77383

I was just making Elixir of Major Agility x4 and discovered this.

They were the first four Elixir of Major Agility that I had ever made.

Level 62, second discovery (I discovered Flask of Relentless Assault yesterday while making strength pots).

Yay for quick discoveries!

Kommentar von 113739

I have discovered Flask of Relentless Assault and Flask of Fortification, all nice stuff for selling in the AH. But this one, the one BC flask I can actually use as a frost mage...nada. I even just made 24 F of RAs trying to get the discovery for this, with no luck.

Just hope they all sell in the AH, since I pretty much flooded the market with them....

Actually, I think the rate of your discoveries plummets considerably shortly after you reach Outland. I remember having 4-5 in just the first couple days I was there, and now I've had perhaps 1-2 in the last 4 months, even with the other BC flasks out there still to learn. Maybe when WotLK comes out, this will be a learned flask if I don't get really lucky and learn it before then.

Kommentar von 197863

is the discoverys based on when you make a potion/elixir/flask or do you get 2x chance if you mastery procs?

Kommentar von 70494

Today while skilling up Alchemy, I was making the Northrend recipe Elixir of Mighty Strength and I got the discovery for the Flask of Pure Death. It happened going from skill 390 to 391 for me, though I doubt there is any significance to that number except that it is above the requisite skill to make it.

Kommentar von Gorgemon

I just discovered this while making a cata flask Flask of the Draconic Mind. So they can still be discovered with new recipes.

Kommentar von PerturbedDwarf

The Burning Crusade flasks are discovered while crafting other alchemy recipes. If you are a recipe collector (like me) and would like to try to learn all four of them, I would recommend crafting Mighty Arcane Protection Potion and Mighty Fire Protection Potion.

Be prepared to craft a lot of them, though. So far I've crafted around 400 of those two potions and I've discovered 2 of the flasks, so the discoveries are probably pretty rare.

Kommentar von herumor

I just now discovered this while transmuting Riddle of Steel.

Could they have made these discoveries tied to any transmutation in WoD?

Kommentar von BlueMagician

I recently burned many thousands of Cata and MoP herbs trying to discover this (and the other TBC 'Flask Of's)...

After several nights of despair and disappointment, I made a very rare (for me) ticket to a GM; just to get an official assurance that the proc chance was still working as intended.

I know RNG is RNG, but I just wanted to know that here, at patch 6.2, they hadn't screwed the whole thing up and that I was wasting time and mats even trying.

Whilst waiting for a GM response, my click finger got itchy, and burnt a couple thousand more herbs.

Out of sheer desperation, I even parked myself at the Shattrath Alchemy Lab - it was nice to visit again after all these years, regardless of whether it really made a difference or not.

Anyway. On the third night of trying, and countless bagfulls of herb later, I managed to proc discoveries for both Fläschchen der Stärkung and Fläschchen des blendenden Lichts, whilst making Elixier des verrückten Ho-zen and Trank des Fokus, respectively.

I have still yet to discover Fläschchen des reinen Todes, but will keep trying with renewed vigour, given my recent successes.

For reference, the eventual GM response was

I have checked information about Alchemy for now and can say, that everything seems to work as intended and correctly. So, there is still probability to discover old elixirs, but a bit less, than previously.

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UPDATE: 9th October 2016, patch 7.0.3, 14 months after my original post:
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Having burnt 10's-of-thousands more Felweed, Rain Poppy, Dreamfoil, Green Tea Leaf, Dreaming Glory etc etc etc - single-handedly supporting the market for legacy herbs on my realm in the process...

...I finally discovered this pesky recipe whilst crafting, of all things, Mächtiger Arkanschutztrank.

I was really starting to think that the discovery mechanism had been broken and that no-one had noticed. After all, a lot of things that used to be polished/simple/smooth/well-coded in WoW seem to have gained wrinkles in recent years - what if this was one of them? My mind was in paranoia overdrive...

Thankfully all is well it seems. At last after all this time, I'm at 100% Alchemy for recipes up to (but not yet including) Legion. Don't give up people!

Kommentar von dreamturtle

Can confirm that it is still possible to discover, just got it from crafting Crazy Alchemist's Potion.

Kommentar von BigDizzle

Can confirm. After crafting 700 Trank des verrückten Alchemisten's I finally got Fläschchen des reinen Todes. The discovery mechanic does indeed still function as of patch 10.1.7.

For good luck/measure I did this at the Shattrath Alchemy lab and did it with a TBC recipe. Most comments say you don't have to be in Outland or craft TBC recipe's for it to proc, and you more than likely don't. I just did it to be on the safe side.

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