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Kommentar von frmorrison

Currently this is lackluster talent, since it gives only a 30% chance to not die, and even if it procs, the next attack could kill you.

On the 2.3 PTR, this now has a 33/66/100% chance to proc and now also causes the rogue to take 90% less damage for 3 seconds when the effect triggers. This effect cannot occur more than once per minute.

Kommentar von 39921

Hooray for 2.3 change to Cheat Death!!

dot dot dot fear........dot dot dot, about to die, cheat death, 3sec later....dot dot dead.

/shrug ...... oh well :/

Kommentar von 97383

Love this skill. Its saved me countless times and won me losing victories over countless foes. At first glance I didnt like it but after slipping in and out of BG fights bandaging and returnng to repeat the process its priceless.

Kommentar von Shuror

As of 2.3.2, this talent is currently bugged and decreases all damage taken by 90%, and then absorbs 90% of the remaining damage.

The result is 99% decreased damage during the 3 seconds.

Edit: This talent was fixed in patch 2.4, and now always provides the correct amount of damage mitigation, 90%.

Kommentar von faia

Rarly got kiled before the 3 sec run out, so its like 3 sec exstra living when you die.

so basic, 3 sec of haunting

Kommentar von clavarnway

All I know is when this procs, Rogues are immortal. I just hope I'm alive when it's over so I get honor for my DoT's killing him.

Kommentar von 15702

this is bull crap

3 secs are good enough to get a heal off them in any arenas. its like a shield wall on warrior (greater shield wall) whenever they are going to die for 3 secs. lvl 60 can kill Illidan

Kommentar von 129278

I have lost my patience for this talent. As an MS warrior in the arenas when i lose 4 games in a row to subtlety rogues because they are sitting there getting crit by my overpowers and executes for 5-20 damage.... kind of makes you angry. And it isnt just 1 i would sit there whomping on them for a good 5-10 seconds, and they dont die.

Kommentar von 63180

This talent is screwed up. 99% reduction instead of 90%, hope its getting phixed in the upcoming patch. I stopped to count the times I could have executed these rogues if they didn't have cheat death on em. Gave up the counting at 20...

Kommentar von 45243

does this work for falling damage, too?

Kommentar von 78063

Good for those rogues that like to spam emotes before they die.

Kommentar von 46812

This gets a new animation for the proc in 2.4.

When it procs, it now shows up a purple skull over your head, vanishing after one second or so.

Kommentar von 65603

Pretty sure this is bugged at the moment, because whenever this procs, I get two buffs that last 8 seconds, and one lasts 3 seconds.

Kommentar von Khayman

Worth mentioning that the number of subtlety rogues has increased esponentially recently. This and shadowstep are the absolute certainty that none will ever escape you.

Basically a rogue at 1% can unleash death upon it's opponent while being invulnerable. Hope the patch will fix it, but if you ask me it'll still be unbalanced, 90% is kinda a lot anyway.

Kommentar von Carighan

Cheat Death is the alpha&omega signature card of the Sublety tree. It's a talent which shows amazing power in all applications of the game.

For PvP, it's an obvious choice. It gives you more lifetime, more chance to bring the enemy down before you are killed.

For Raiding, it has an amazing use though: It makes you ~invincible. Since a boss is unlikely to get a deathshot on you more than once every 2-3 minutes, and you mitigate that with Cheat Death, you can be quite relaxed on dodging some bossabilities, and still come out unscratched.
It doesn't substitute for a quick eye and a ready mind, but remember: Dead Rogues have 0 DPS. Remember that before you calculate in the DPS-loss from speccing Sub ;)

Kommentar von 122037

IMHO Cheat Death needs to be buffed lol, weshould get a bonus 10000000k healing while in cheat death so renew ticks for our health and more :D just jokes, saved me countless fights, and ive killed probly more people in those 3seconds then the X-amount of seconds with BF / AR going :D

Kommentar von Anundir

i've played a rogue for 2 years and when the burning crusade came out, i retired it due to this talent. rogues took skill to play back in the day, now it's a 100% noob class, rogues never needed a talent like this, they really need to get rid of this imo.

Kommentar von 132195

Cheat death doesnt work if you're drowning :(

Kommentar von 132869

does it proc when you well jump from your flying mount from very very high things....maybe a flying mount ?

Kommentar von DrinkFloridaOJ

You have a 100% chance to completely avoid any damaging attack that would otherwise kill you and reduce all damage taken by 90% for 3 sec. This effect cannot occur more than once per minute.

l2read.. fall damage and drowning aren't attacks.

Kommentar von JamesR

Unless you're willing to consider the fact this guy is attacking himself with his own stupidity.

Kommentar von Anundir

if rogues only viability is to go noobstep/hemo. Taking away rogues most signature move "backstab/daggers" and making it not as good as swords in pvp is retarded, people don't roll rogues to use swords, thats what warriors are for, and heck if u want to use fist weapons or axes you can roll an enhancement shaman (warriors can use these as well). Why don't they just take out all the daggers in the game that are for melee. Cheat death should be a lvl 70 skill bought at the rogue trainer, so daggers would have a little bit more viability.

Kommentar von Halliwell

Seems broken atm... Or is it just me? Often I feel like I die straight after the animation... And thus not " completely avoid any damaging attack that would otherwise kill you and reduce all damage taken by 90% for 3 sec" - I dont know if it's just me or it really is bugged? Feedback would be lovely :)

Kommentar von 149277

The talent negates a killing blow first of all, then it then reduces all damage by 90%... thats probably before mitigation, I don't know. I know that while I can NOT be one-shotted I can be two shotted, happens all the time in PVE and PVP. Its just not easy to do. This talent doesn't make a rogue unstoppable by any means. The reason most rogues seem so hard to kill is as soon as we see that skull we pop evasion AND cloak of shadows at the same time and try to sprint away from whatever is attacking us. Like an above poster said, back up, throw a dot on us and count to three.

Kommentar von 112089

This talent is rather annoying in a rogue vs rogue fight...as soon as that skull appears it's vanish time!
And then what is the other rogue to do? Too late your stun locked for the next 5-10 seconds more then enough time to get through your Cheat death. Best advice is as soon as you see his skull vanish...

also this talent is great in AV. whenever fighting Galv or Drek and he does his whirlwind attack, this will proc and i'm only a little under my halfway mark so it keeps me going to live a bit longer. (i like to stunlock/dodge tank galv ^_^)

Kommentar von Sandos

Cheat Death: This talent has been rebalanced significantly. Killing blows are no longer 100% absorbed. If the Rogue is below 10% health, the killing blow is still completely absorbed; if the Rogue is over 10% health, enough damage will be absorbed to reduce the Rogue’s health down to 10%. For the following 3 seconds, damage is not always reduced by 90%; it is now reduced by a maximum of 90%, depending on how much resilience the Rogue has. The damage reduction will be four times the damage reduction resilience causes against critical strikes.

/points at rogues
/laugh

Kommentar von 167081

I don't know why people complained about "Cheat Death". Any class can really get through this easily. All you got to do is be smart and put DoTs on the rogue or bleeds and it will do the same ammount of damage as it normaly would if the "Cheat Death" was not even happening.

Kommentar von 167081

That is not true....When fighting Rogue on Rogue they use Rupture for 2 reasons. 1 so they can't Vanish and 2 for Cheat Death because if you put Rupture before Cheat Death happens then is will deal same ammount of damage same goes for Warrior bleeds and such.

Kommentar von 174466

Probably the best patch rogues got this whole year.

Kommentar von makron

Also a PvE nerf. Previously, if rogue pulled aggro from tank, or tank died, rogue could be one shotted, but due to this talent, he was usualy left unharmed, after 3s he just popped evasion, and could tank for a while. This could save from wipe...
Now first shot got on 10% and second can still gib, not good :).

Kommentar von fourwindsoh

I cry a tear of sadness that cheat death is nerfed with the resilience factor. LOL!

Kommentar von sillyrabbit

honestly, who cares? rogues suck at everything besides pvp, might as well let the little nooblets have what fun they can while playing the most annoying class in the game.

Kommentar von tom226

In my opinion this is NOT ment to make you unbeatable but is to give you a chanse to run or vanish 3 secs aint much time to do a lot of DMG so you best vanish

Kommentar von 1771

worksagainst hazardous areas (lava, gas clouds)

Kommentar von 156183

does anyone know the exact formula to figure the effect of resilience on this spell?

Kommentar von 154897

How Much Resilience do u need at lvl 80 to procs and works the best?
Or how is it modified by resilience?

Kommentar von sandrat

The above post is excellent as well as the previous one. Only thing I would have to add is that you don't need to get your resilience that high since no one will be doing 20k dmg in 3seconds in pvp.

A good number to shoot for is about 750 resilience or around 75% absorbed which turns out to about 15k dmg. Maybe less depending on what you focus on (2v2, 3v3, 5v5 or BGs)

Kommentar von 169059

I have a small question I want to pose. If an all PvE rogue, meaning no to minimal resilience, as of 3.1 was to have this talent, how would it fair against a Hateful Strike from Patchwerk? I recently read this and discussed it with my guilds tanks. If the attack can land 86k BEFORE armor then is reduced by armor and other means then again by the Cheat Death talent it would be helpful.

The situation being the tank made to take the strikes doesnt get healed in time and dies so the rogue being next on threat from not fienting will take the hit. Cheat Death procs and reduces them to 10%, which for many rogues ive seen would be about 2k. a quick chain heal or circle and they are able to take only about 5k a hateful for a few seconds while the tank gets revived by a druid and healed up to spec.

One of our top rogues would only take on average about 55k from a hateful when one slipped and he was not sub so wouldnt have this talent. If it really did work out then this would be a nice emergency buffer in 10 man where losing either tank spells death for the raid.

Kommentar von 340836

Can anyone besides me imagine the WMV's of Rogues with this showing it off to the song "Time of dying" by Three Days Grace?

Kommentar von 362919

Lol I like how you kept saying assass.. it made me laugh

Kommentar von 325248

what if youre below 10% health and Cheat Death procs
are u healed then up to 10% health

Kommentar von Tsychiya

PVP (3.2.2)
I find this talent helpful in PVP. There have been a few times where I'm sprinting away at low health while a class (cough Paladin) hits me with an ability that would have killed me (cough Hammer). This talent has helped me run away and restealth allowing me to come back.

PVE (raids)
I tried respecing to sub to dps raids... I got all the maximizing talents/glphys along side of cheat death hoping that cheat death would hep me during those times when I'm 1 shoted by bosses (ie TOGC animal charge, ony breath, WW's etc..) . Although dead rogue = 0 dps, the dps I was producing in the sub tree was significantly lower than mutilate, and usually when you know the fights, your not likely to be 1 shotted. But i liked the fact that I could have this passive talent just in case.. But the dps of the subtly tree is not worth it.

Kommentar von woa12

Never Ever try to cheat death...

Kommentar von Swiftling

Every time i defeat a Paladin because of that talent, and he starts whining, I remind him how he used bubble the same fight before i giggle silently in front of the monitor.

Kommentar von Hirokiri

Is this no longer resil dependent? It seems its not in the cata talent tree/tooltip.

Kommentar von Felfaadaern

This talent can be a huge pve dps gain, because - face it - your dps sucks when you're dead :P

Kommentar von parazyte

worksagainst hazardous areas (lava, gas clouds)

Learn how NOT to stand in the fire.

Kommentar von parazyte

I hope moderators clean up this thread with all comments about Resilience.

This talent has NOTHING to do with resilience any more.

Kommentar von 449877

As of 4.0.6, Cheat Death now works correctly against Chaos Bolt.

From the patch notes: "Cheat Death was activating by a warlock's Chaos Bolt but not working. Chaos Bolt will still trigger Cheat Death, but will not kill the rogue."

Kommentar von 855064

If you're trying to track this proc or it's internal cooldown (90 seconds), the proc name is Cheating Death. This talent is useful, but not reliable. It's great against casters or any class that deals in large damage that comes at you in chunks. Note that it says "reduce you to 10% of your maximum health." It does NOT heal you. It just prevents you from dying from one particular swing or spell cast. That means that a big hit can bring you down to 500 health, the next auto attack procs Cheat Death, but you stay at 500 health, just now you have an 80% damage reduction for 3 seconds. Well, big whoop, the next windfury weapon to the face takes you out.

It's not all bad, though. If you get deep freezed at ~15-25% health, there's a solid chance you'll proc cheat death and have CD eat the whole thing.

Kommentar von Magnatross

When it procs the flashy lights mean that the rogue's life is flashing before their eyes

Kommentar von Mormolyce

There is now a "Cheated Death" debuff that appears when the ability is "on cooldown" like a Mage's Cauterized debuff. Pretty handy.

Kommentar von 299060

Hotfix (2012-09-14): "Cheat Death can now only absorb up to twice the rogue's maximum health."

Kommentar von 827371

This talent is INSANELY useful, no matter what anyone says. It's basically 3 seconds of self-triggering invincibility every 90 seconds.

If you're leveling on a PvP server this thing can be hilarious. I can't even count the number of times a 90 swooped by to kill me (while I was a lowbie) and failed completely - because of this thing.

What this skill also means is nothing can ever kill you in one shot, so if you're quick with your Vanish and Sprint, you can escape from 90's ganking you like a baws. Saved me so many corpse runs along the way.

To add to it, it's amazing in any form of PvP, if you get nuked down it gives you just enough time to comfortably prep+vanish+cloak again, as well as really annoying players thinking they can just use an execute move on you when you're low and that's it.

I could rant on forever, but I love this skill, I've had so many 90's make another toon just to whisper me and ask how I survived their 100k crit at level 40, and I've won so many duels just because of this buying me enough time.

Kommentar von EMPHaraljier

"To cheat death is a power only one has achieved, but if we work together; I know we can discover the secret."

Kommentar von Neffi

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Kommentar von Pantyraider

7.1.5 changed this talent and made it pretty underwhelming: Cannot trigger more often than once per 6 min.

Kommentar von FALLAKAI

This talenr is op in raiding becus you can for example soak a big armagedon on kj with feint and this that is probubly why they made it a longer cd so u only can so it once that fight

Kommentar von Tahuma

2021 season 1 of shadowlands, and Cheat Death still remains outrageously potent in any rogue's arsenal. Allows rogues to make mistakes, but has the extra upside of allowing rogues to deal uninterrupted damage without needing to avoid certain big damage spikes. With how strong this tier's healing potion (Spiritueller Heiltrank) is, you can easily soak a massive hit and give yourself a significant self heal to prevent chip damage killing you after your 3 second grace period of 85% reduced damage.

Even if you don't think you will make mistakes, anytime you pull agro from negligence or tank-death, you can survive being bonked by the boss a few times, which is way more than enough time to react to evasion and cloak of shadows to be a back-up emergency tank.

Cheat death allowed me to dps for some extra seconds thanks to saving me from 1 shot and popping evasion, then tanking heroic Denathrius so that my raid team could close out our first Heroic Denath kill and AOTC.

Kommentar von Shephard83

Astonishing that this op talent is still ingame. Where other classes die from a fatal attack, Rogues can survive it, which is insane especially on higher M+ keys.

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