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Kommentar von 134628

Interesting potential for AE situations.
Think of fights like onyxia, where you would bane her then AE the whelps, there is potential for big single target dmg here.

Kommentar von 175315

A "bad" version of Beacon of light?

Kommentar von thxyoutoo

For those that are interested in PvP mechanics - this talent is obtainable early enough to get this and all necessary and desirable PvP talents in the affliction tree.

What does this mean? You can toss up all your dots on a target along with this bane and suddenly a healer has to worry that much more about the health discrepancy he needs to heal up. An effective 15% damage increase to Affliction warlocks in PvP will be a very welcome change. If you cast Unstable Affliction onto the Baned target, rendering it unable to be dispelled, this becomes your new favorite spell!

Kommentar von 85139

I will happily give up 5% crit and agonyfor this 15% damage!

and yes, very exciting for AOE! bane the healer, seed up the crowd, shadowfurry, hellfire....ooooo ya!

Kommentar von 446836

This may shine on fights like Saurfang and LDW. You put BOH on the boss, and while you kill adds, the boss takes damage. So some fights this will shine, some it will be useless.

Kommentar von 148868

A few facts:

Bane of Havoc can double-dip from Curse of Elements. That is, if you have CoE on the baned target, the baned target takes 0.15 (BoH) * 1.08 = 16.2% of your magic damage towards the primary target.
Your Imp's Firebolt damage is not transferred, the damage from Burning Embers caused by the Firebolt is.
Lasts for 30 seconds in PvP
Self-inflicted damage from Hellfire does trigger BoH. Thus, you can put the bane on a stealthing enemy and then use Hellfire to unstealth them. This only works if you actually take damage from the Hellfire, not if it's absorbed by a shield like Sacrifice or Nether Ward
It does not transfer physical damage (in case you wondered).

Kommentar von 685967

I'm curious as to this spell's applicability in fights with mobs that share a health pool.
Take Theralion and Valiora for example. What if you where to BoH the drake that is currently in the air, while you DPS the one on the ground? They count as different mobs I'd imagine... So because of the shared health pool would this spell, basically, be a free 15% damage boost?

: Fixing some typos. :P

Kommentar von 177875

My suggestion: each warlock should know, based on the damage output of his or her Bane of Doom and Bane of Agony, how much DPS the warlock must do for Bane of Havoc to net more DPS than the other bane options and therefore be the right Bane to use.

For example: if your Bane of Doom/Agony net out to (somewhat fictional numbers here) 11k damage every 15 seconds (not counting haste, which you would want to count) then Bane of Havoc would be a good choice only if you could do about 6-7k damage per second to other targets (total), since 7k would transfer 1050 damage per second (1050 is 15% of 7000) to the Bane of Havoc target. 1050 (per second) x15 seconds = 15750.

So, in that example since 15750 is more than 11000 from your other banes you would be in good shape using Bane of Havoc.

Those are mostly fictional numbers, my point is only that the math tells you when to use it. You'd need to use your own numbers from a large sample of your DoTs, and ideally take into account the higher-DPS at the end of Bane of Agony and Haste scaling.

Kommentar von kingofmonkeys

Not that I'm an expert but I think the math Alexial pointed out is misleading. He is correct that your own math really tells the tale and it would be 100% correct if not for the fact that you can only have one Bane of Doom and one Bane of Havoc going at the same time. Bane of Havoc is meant more for adds or larger mob pulls (I believe)

For example, one would put Bane of Doom on a boss and Bane of Havoc on an add than nuke the boss. The Havoc would deal damage to the add and you dont lose anything other than the Bane of Agony you could have cast which in the long run will do less dmg than the Bane of Havoc simply because you have to keep changing targets and recasting. When the add dies you put Bane of Havoc on the next add and so on..

On single targets the Bane of Havoc does no good, in that case Bane of Doom should be better for long fights and Bane of Agony should be better for short ones. Should be is key here because timing is everything, each recast of Bane of Agony is a GCD that could be used for something else, but if the mob dies before Bane of Doom is done its wasted damage.

Just my 2 cents, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Kommentar von Kazyua

When dealing with mobs can this spell be set up before the initial battle in a similar fashion to Hunter's mark? or does it pull?

Kommentar von Lartoon

To anyone who cares to weigh-in. My questions are:

1. Do we take into account the little imp that spawns and does about 1k dps for BoD when determining the math?
2. What exactly does it mean by "... and only one Bane per Warlock can be active on any one target"? I assume in raids the locks will have to decide who uses which Bane from start to finish. This can become heck since Banes depend on encounter. Also the Bane can factor in on a warlock's dps.
3. As in 2 above, if you have 3 bosses let's say like in Gruuls Lair, can we only have 1 Bane in that entire encounter active? (okay huge boss with HUGE adds)
-- So now not only do we coordinate curses but banes as well... Sheesh Blizz help a girl out.
4. I have found BoA to be less useful since BoD does dmg after 15 secs. And with the cata expac, even trash mobs take at least 15secs in raids so therefore BoH would be most useful on trash and BoD on bosses.
5. Just curious if its just me or ... Anyone else running out of bar space for all of these new spells?

Kommentar von texdel

Is this spell worth the talent point to get it?

10 sec of an Ony fight doesn't sound like a worthwhile use of a talent point. Is it primarily a PVP talent where I could see some usability (not going to give up affliction for destruction over it though)? I have been trying to think of when it really could be useful in PVE but it seems at best very situational and not worth the opportunity cost of the talent point.

Kommentar von 332158

as far as I understand this spell it creates an additional 15% more damage and smacks it at the baned target but I was told today that it transfers 15% of the damage you do and throw it at the baned target so you end up with the same amount of damage... anyone know witch it is ?

Kommentar von morticianoire

Can I ask then has the bug on BoH been sorted?because when this first came out,u cld place it on yr target,even single mobs, and it was significantly better to use and stilkl worked on that target to boost yr damage to same target for 15%..now i know the tooltip says otherwise,as it seemed blizz's intention was for this to be on a diff mob,but upto now, i havent read anywhere that this has been fixed?

Kommentar von 177048

Cast this on Beth'tilac right off the pull. Pew pew adds, 15% dmg to her. Enjoy.

Kommentar von 852431

This is really great to have if you are in a boss fight with multiple adds:
BoH on the boss and nuke adds.
Or if you are in some "council" encounter:
BoD on main target, BoH on the one you're going to nuke next, BoA on other ones (if needed).

Kommentar von Superchief

Just to clarify for those questioning the value of this talent point, this is a "wait until level 85" talent. While leveling you are better off getting an extra tick of AoE(Rain of Fire) than wasting a global cooldown on this if the mobs are not going to live for most of it's duration. Even boss fights in dungeons last only seconds while leveling.

Kommentar von 997805

Anyone verified how long this works on player targets? Just thought of it as a way to constantly pop a rogue/feral out of stealth for 5 min. Althought it can be cloaked off, it would really piss of a rogue if you do some damage every 10 or so seconds and prevent them from restealthing all the way across the map.

Kommentar von 997771

Methods for using havoc

1) The Double Nuke: Cast Verwüstung on A; turn around; target B; Cast Chaosblitz at B: watch two Chaosblitzs fly in opposite directions for massive win!

2) The Double Opener: Cast Verwüstung on A; Target B; cast Feuerbrand > Feuersbrunst > Verbrennen at target B; kill what's left.

3) The Ember Generator: Cast Feuerbrand and Chaosbrandmal on A; target B; cast Feuerbrand and Chaosbrandmal on B; cast Feuersbrunst on B; cast Verwüstung on B; target A; cast Verbrennen x3 on A; kill what's left.

Kommentar von jGarand

I've found that the least confusing and most reliable way to use Havoc is:

/cast Havoc

Target whatever the primary target will be, mouse-over the secondary target, use macro, and proceed casting when the Havoc GCD finishes.

I was getting all sorts of twisted trying to tab-through my targets when Havoc would come off CD midfight, and click-selecting an enemy just takes too long for my taste.

Kommentar von 1031035

Does any one know if there is any add-ons that will display the frames of enemy players within a certain range? I know you can get one that displays enemy frames of all enemies, but have no "only display within range x amount of yards". This would be very helpul in pvp as I could use a mouse over cast macro for this without having to follow the player around with my mouse, or having to read the enemies name before clicking on the frame if when using the other add-on.

Kommentar von 223371

Havoc went through alot of changes in MoP. At the start you could triple cast Chaos bolt, which was changed to being able to cast 1 chaos bolt that eats all 3 stacks.

Now, what wasn't changed is the ability to cast Shadowburn on targets that aren't below 20% with Havoc. Say we have 2 targets, eels (cause everyone hates them), one is on 15% hp left and the other one is on 76% hp left. You cast Havoc on the latter one and cast Shadowburn on the former one. The result is Shadowburn being casted on both targets at the same time.

Now, what is the use of knowing this? In an encounter like Stone guardians, you could Hexacast Shadow burn on them if they reach the 20% mark, that's almost 3-4 mil damage in less than 5 seconds.

I do wonder as well if this works with Gara'jal and his spirits. I will try testing that tonight and bring in some results, can't promise anything.

Kommentar von WhiteAlien

The most epic way to use Verwüstung.

1. Make mouseover havoc macro: /cast Havoc; Havoc
2. get (or chose) one target at or below 20%
3. havoc another target, preferable at or below 60% hp
4. cast Shadowburn = BOOM! Instant double kill

It needs some time to master it, but if you do, a lot of fun guaranteed.

Tip. it is also good to target pets and havoc their masters. Hunters will hate you as well as mages.

Kommentar von healingenzo

"Requires level 36 Causes the next Chaos Bolt or three other single target spells". BUT WHICH 3 OTHER SPELLS ?

Kommentar von kerrymayall

Is there anyone out there good with macros who can setup Havoc so that it casts on the focus target, if there is one, otherwise just casts on the selected target (not mouseover) in the absence of anything being on focus? Cheers.

Kommentar von zxj4k3xz

this spell is very helpful, as it basically doubles the damage of the next 3 spells cast, or the next Chaos Bolt cast, but half the total damage will strike the designated target. Alnair posted three good ways to use this spell. this spell also puts DoTs on the target and Debuffs, such as Immolate and slow from Conflagerate.

Kommentar von heartlessnobody

I like how the cooldown is short even though this is epic win where other neat abilites are in a few to five min range

Kommentar von Sylencer

Alright. Here's one for you:

#showtooltip
/cast Havoc; ; Havoc

If you mouseover a hostile target and push the button then it'll cast it on that. Otherwise it'll cast it on your focus target. And if you don't have one, then it'll cast it on whatever you're currently targeting.

...And if you hold down shift, even if you're mousing over another mob, it'll force it to cast on your focus target. (Good for situations where there's a crap-ton of adds on the screen, and your mouseover isn't too accurate.)

I'd also keep a focusing macro handy, too. (/focus, in an otherwise empty macro. You gotta choose your own icon, though.)

Keep the name of the macro a single space, and the icon the question mark.
Enjoy.

Kommentar von RerunBlisters

Wondering if Drain Life can benefit from Havoc, i.e. affect two targets simultaneously?
Would be awesome getting healed 9% x 2 over six seconds...or talented and glyphed it would be 9% x100% x100% = 36%...that's 36% x 2 with havoc = 72% healed in six seconds, right?

Kommentar von MRTF

It's nice to see that shadowburn still only requires either one to be below x% hp for it to hit both targets :)

Awards 1 burning ember if 1 of the targets are below the x%, 2 if both. So it's not too OP.

The day they nerf havoc will be like the day they nerfed Rain of Fire :( hopefully that day never comes.

Kommentar von 1105782

So ive made a few tests with this attack and so far i have found that the main spells that are affected by havoc are Conflagrate incinerate, immolate, chaos bolt and shadow burn.
Unfortunately it doesn't affect Fear but did you know Havoc will also affect and duplicate Mortal coil so for one charge of Havoc you are able to insta fear 2 targets but you will only receive the heal from 1 of the coils.

i found this especially useful in pvp while fighting one person and 2 others decide to help only to get marked and and both are sent running, although you need to be careful in breaking the marked targets fear afterward when you switch back to your original target.

Kommentar von jjanchan

Can this spell be used on your primary target, and if so, does it have any effect (e.g. on single target fights)?

The reason this is important is with the new Legion legendary, Odr, Schal der Ymirjar. Especially in conjunction with the talent , this legendary could result in a permanent 15% damage buff, which is huge!

Kommentar von istar76

I just finished a macro for Havoc that I think does a good job.
It allows you to havoc a secondary target, and simultaneously mark them as your focus.
You can then havoc other targets, while maintaining your original focus.
Switch focuses with ctrl modifier, and clear focus with shift modifier.
Works best on a mouse button.

#showtooltip
/clearfocus ]
/stopmacro
/cast Havoc
/cast Havoc
/cast Havoc
/clearfocus
/focus
/stopmacro
/focus

Kommentar von Lanetolsun

As of patch 8.0.1 Verwüstung no longer causes aggro on targets.

And also requires line of sight to Havoc'ed target to duplicate a spell.

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2% von Grundmana	40 Meter Reichweite

Sofort	30 sek. Abklingzeit

Markiert einen Gegner für 12 sec als Ziel von 'Verwüstung', wodurch Eure Einzelzielzauber auch das Ziel von 'Verwüstung' treffen und ihm dabei 60% des verursachten Schadens zufügen.

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Wert: 60
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