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Kommentar von 625643

Is being Transmutations master going to help in Ultra high level transmutations like this one?
Because if it is it will be a big benefit.
Plus i suspect all alchemists dropping their mastery to get transmutation;)

Kommentar von 660758

My google-fu is failing me here, what cata alchemy cooldowns are shared? I can transmute blue quality gems all day long, no cd. Last night I transmuted a wotlk epic gem and that triggered the cooldown on living elements. I've read the Truegold and pyrite xmutes currently share a cd; is Living Elements on the Truegold/Pryrite cd as well?

My main issue here is that any transmutes that shares a cd with Truegold has no use. In wotlk, the eternals xmutes shared a cd with epic gem xmute...which meant no one ever used them. Now they have this excellent living elements mechanic (random vs traveling to a specfic zone), and no ones going to bother once they get Truegold, if they do indeed share a cd.

Can anyone shed some light on which xmutes share cooldowns?

Kommentar von 722485

I'm wondering why this is a transmutation thing. In Wrath, titansteel was made by smelting.

Kommentar von 296768

@evonath

Except you are incorrect. Truegold is used by TWO professions: Blacksmithing and Engineering. As such, it should be a smelting ability - not Alchemy. Furthermore, it's creating an extremely difficult bottleneck in gear progression right now since it shares the CD with the Volatiles.

This should have been put on the Mining list. Keep the Volatile transmutes where they are, with the CD they have. Spread out the wealth and the profession usefullness.

Unfortunately Alchemy has been a contributor in every expansion in one way or another, and I don't know what the prices are on your server, but the volitile transmute on our server is worthless because the material cost is higher than the output, same with just about every other transmute.

The reason they didn't give it to mining is because mining has a decent cashflow just for selling any smelted or raw material on the AH for Blacksmiths and Jewlcrafters alike.

Kommentar von 703598

I saw that this transmute resets at 12:00am while I was leveling alch around 11:30pm tonight. I kicked it into high gear and gathered all the mats to hit 525 to do a quick transmute before the reset. I did a truegold transmute at 11:50pm for someone for 200g and got 3 extra from transmutation mastery! lol..... so lucky

Kommentar von rculley1970

What is the lowest character level you can be to learn this? I assume 85.

Kommentar von 611523

The lowest level required to make this is 75 since Illustrious Grand Master Alchemist requires level 75 to learn.

Kommentar von lightspeed

I have elixir mastery on my alchemist and for some reason, I got two of these when transmuting for a friend.
Needless to say, he was very happy.

Kommentar von Lastplace321

I've transmuted now 9 times. On the 10th I received my 1st Truegold proc. Took long enough to proc. Other then that my toon is a transmutation master. So no idea if it makes a diff anymore ><

Kommentar von 735543

can u only make 1 at a time with your CD or could i "create all" say 10 of em? or is it like Primal Might etc.. where u can just make 1 per cd? obviously not counting master procs.

Kommentar von Gijftw

This recipe can in fact crit for multiple Truegold bars, I received 5 from my transmute today having only ever seen it crit for 2 in the past.
I am transmutation master for the record, and will upload a screen shot when I get time.

EDIT: I noticed how many 5x crit comments have been down rated, but I was also curious like others as to whether it could crit for more than 2 at a time.

Don't purge, or people wont see it's already been said.

Truegold can crit for 5 on an individual transmute for transmutation masters.

Kommentar von Orelus

So like how many of these truegold can you get out of transmute being a transmute master? I thought was 2 max but today I got 4! and not only that my cd was like 4 hours down from the normal, can this be real or possible?

Kommentar von thorismud

post above yours says

By Gijftw 15 days ago (Patch 4.0.3)
Truegold can crit for 5 on an individual transmute for transmutation masters.

and about your cooldown

By Iheartbeer on 12/13/2010 (Patch 4.0.3)
Wrong. Resets at midnight, server time.

cooldown is kinda like daylies. you can do one a day( read between 0:00 and 23:59) . doesn't realy mather when.

Kommentar von 55524

done my xmute on 2 different xmute masters every day since i got the recipe on both. basically ~50+ xmutes for each character, 100+ total.

Not one single xmute proc yet from truegold. this is discouraging.

Kommentar von 673059

To avoid any trouble about who keeps the additional bars in case of a proc I'm currenty letting my (highly mobile but not an alchemist) mage offering a truegold transmutation service. It's a single transaction trade btw.
/script SendChatMessage("Offering \124cffffd000\124Henchant:80243\124h\124h\124r service. Trade a bar against your mats + 100g tip. /w me (might have more, discount 5g on ++bars down to 75g per bar at 6).","CHANNEL",nil,"2")
So far this method seems to work out nicely.

Update: Slight improvement of message text --> 1 bar 100g tip. 2 bars 95g tip each, 3 bars 90g tip each, ...
Update: I actually sold 6 bars the other day and I think that overall discount should be limited to 25% per bar ...

Kommentar von lilywhite

After about a dozen transmutes, I finally got one to proc.

You create: x5

So there's your answer.

Kommentar von Hyperlynx

At last alchemy does what it says on the tin.

Kommentar von 624821

For those transmute masters who were wondering, the bonus Truegold doesn't seem to occur often. I made all 5 of my 80-85s transmute masters so I could run a little experiment over 10 days.

Day 1 Truegold 5 Procs 0
Day 2 Truegold 6 Procs 1
Day 3 Truegold 5 Procs 0
Day 4 Truegold 5 Procs 0
Day 5 Truegold 7 Procs 2
Day 6 Truegold 5 Procs 0
Day 7 Truegold 6 Procs 1
Day 8 Truegold 5 Procs 0
Day 9 Truegold 6 Procs 1
Day 10 Truegold 5 Procs 0

Total Truegold: 55
Total Procs: 5
So over 10 days, with 5 transmute masters, I made exactly 10% more truegold then I normally would. Kind of a low. I'd also like to add that I never once had a second character get a proc (on day 5, my Shaman made 3), So out of the 50 times I made a transmute, I only got 4 actual procs. Making the transmute mastery for this only seem to have about a 8% chance or so to activate..

Update
Day 11 Truegold 5 Procs 0
Day 12 Truegold 5 Procs 0
Day 13 Truegold 5 Procs 0
Day 14 Truegold 5 Procs 0
Day 15 Truegold 5 Procs 0
New total Truegold: 80
Total Procs: 5
New overall proc percentage: 4%
Individual Character Proc percentage: 6.6%
The more I transmute Truegold the less it seems worth it, as the Truegold is almost selling for as much or less then the materials to make it on my server, and the chance of getting a second or third appears to be a very low chance (For me at least, apparently there are people who get 5 procs, yet I'm lucky to even get a single proc for 2 after 6 days with 5 characters)

I also suspect if any of my characters ever do get a 5 Truegold proc, it will be my warrior as he has yet to get a proc these past 15 days. Good luck to all you Transmuters, and I hope my little charts give you useful, if not interesting information at the least. I will update this for 5 more days to get the full 20. Hopefully I can report some good news by then other then 6 straight days of nothing. :(

Super Update:
Day 16 Truegold 5 Procs 0
Day 17 Truegold 7 Procs 2
Day 18 Truegold 7 Procs 2
Day 19 Truegold 5 Procs 0
Day 20 Truegold 8 Procs 3

New New Total Truegold: 112
New New Total Procsss: 12
Proc chance 12/100 or 12%
All characters made an additional 2 truegold except my shaman who made 3, and my druid who made 3 (And by this I mean total additional Truegold)
Individual character proc percentage 10% (Druid/Shaman: 15%)
Thanks everyone for reading, hope this information is helpful. No longer going to update this, as I think 100 truegold transmutes is plenty of testing.

Super Final Update.
On day 24 I got my first transmute for 5 truegold. (Thats 120 times Transmute: Truegold was casted) This means so far that its a .83% chance for a 5 proc of truegold. (with this string of information anyway)

Kommentar von 468228

I just want to let transmution masters know that it seems like diffrent places have a better chance to get procs for more truegold. On my server I have transmuted truegold in org and undercity. Out of the 10 times I did it in org I only got one truegold every time. out of the 3 times I did it in undercity once I got 5 and another time I got 3. My advice go to diffrent capital cities and see if you have more of a chance to get truegold to proc.

Kommentar von seahen

I'm pretty sure the "1 sec cooldown" is inaccurate.

Kommentar von 616859

on my server, truegold is now worth less than the price of materials to make it, thanks to braindead alchemists who dont give a damn about offering it at a reasonable price. time to switch back to potion master. i only got a rare x2 proc off of this anyway..

its not like alchemy has many big ticket items anyway, so why is there such a high concentration of asshats in this profession?

Kommentar von Twilightmoon

If someone is buying your Transmute CD, how much should you charge? Its hard to say what the CD is worth.

Any thoughts?

Kommentar von 120702

Well , it doesnt make sense to sell cd for 50-100g unless you are transmutation master. On my realm , 1 volatile life costs 3~g and 1 volatile air sells for 20~g and guaranteed to proc when living elements used in uldum . Approximate profit is : 17x15= 255g.

Kommentar von 851160

Currently on my server ( Alexatrasza US) it is completely unprofitable to create Truegold barring some lucky Transmutation Master procs. Furthermore, Transmute: Living Elements has a higher profit margin, shown by some simple napkin math:

Mats for truegold are about 500 gold. Truegold sells for about 425. According to the Accepted rate that Transmutation Master lets you create 20% more of the product, over the course of 5 days I would have 6 Truegold for the price of 5. Thus, i would have spent 2500g and sold the results for about 2550, a profit of 10g a day.

On the other hand, Living Elements takes 15 Volatile Life, which at around 10g per would cost 150g. By transmuting these to Volatile Water, which sells for about 22g each, I would make a profit of about 180g a day, before factoring Transmutation Master procs.

TL;DR: With current market prices on my server at least, Living Elements transmute is more profittable than Truegold. Check your AHs to see what will be the best in your market.

Note: prices will probably change (go up) over the next weeks as people get more recipes and the Firelands drops needed to craft their gear.

Note2: typed on an iPhone at 12:30am, forgive any mistakes :P

Kommentar von 862563

I am fairly new at this game, my alchmist is now at lvl 450. I have searched for the recipe for Truegold and have been unable to find it. could anyone tell me where or how I can get the recipe. Thanks

Kommentar von creepfest

i had a 5 tg cd right before firelands went live for US, and havent gotten a single proc since said 5. pre firelands i felt that almost every other day i had a tg proc and now. never. so xmute for profit doesnt really seem viable as pot or flasks are now

Kommentar von 787003

In my realm, 1 truegold is about 530g buyout. all mats are about 891g buyout. i asked an alchemist to make some for me (as a test) and they said 530g... i don't know if that is just 1 unintelligent alchemist or if it represents my whole server(Cenarion Circle). Most likely, and to stay on the safe side, it would be worth it to buy it on the AH.

Hope this helps.

Kommentar von 930570

When created by an alchemist, truegold has a chance to "proc". This means that you have a chance to make extra truegold with the mats of one, up to 5 truegold. The estimated proc rate is as follows. 1=100% 2=9% 3=4% 4=1.5% 5=0.5%

Kommentar von 1006903

Personally, I think Blizzard did an incredible job of making alchemists a GREAT profession, and balancing the market.

As this spell shares a cooldown with Transmute: Living Elements, and Transmute: Truegold was valued over Transmute: Living Elements, no one would ever use the Living Elements transmute. However, as we all know, one volatile would always get too expensive. (50g Volatile Airs anyone?)

As most of us know, you can go to the respective zone (Hyjal - Fire) (Deepholm - Earth) (Uldum - Air) (Vash'jir - Water) to get a volatile of your choice, so this spell, Transmute: Living Elements, essentially always gives you the Volatile you want. (The one that gives you the most gold)

Because of this, alchemists ALWAYS make money. Back when Truegold was the s***, if all the Volatiles were reasonably priced, you'd make great gold from Truegold, especially with procs. They aren't moderately priced, though? Use Living Elements, and make great use of the cheap Volatile Life that exists on every server, or the herbalist that you raised to 525 with alchemy. Either way, alchemists always make money, and they always will.

And that, my friend, is one example of why Alchemy is the best profession in World of Warcraft.

-Icybeard (Durotan), Guild Master of <Exalted with Taco Bell>

Kommentar von Vampiriklown

As of patch 5.0.4 there is currently no longer a 24 hour cooldown on this anymore - so craft away. Not sure if this temp or perm so might want to take advantage of it while you can just in case.

Kommentar von TRoXa

The cooldown seems to have been removed with WoW 5.0 did random login/logout to do my "daily" transmute and by mistake i double clicked and made two in a row. then i clicked again without problems.

The price on Truegold will be lowered insanely with this change so sell while you can. =)

Kommentar von kevinlin7777

x5 proc :DD
http://i50.tinypic.com/28slxky.jpg

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