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Kommentar von Naggi13

3 Tage, davon 5h54min hat es gedauert, bis ich ihn hatte.

ich stand als Allianzler im Tal der Ehre hinter einem Wasserfall (61.22 39.61) und habe meistens nachts geangelt.
Habe 2 Angelspielzeuge genutzt, um es hinterm Wasserfall besser zu sehen: Kiste mit Schwimmern: Holzerner Pepe und Wiederverwendbarer übergroßer Schwimmer

Tag 1 - 1h
Matschschnapper - 115x
Stoppelwühlerwels - 43x
Kleinfisch - 31x

Tag 2 - 4h20min
Matschschnapper - 554x
Stoppelwühlerwels - 201x
Kleinfisch - 157x
geringer Manatrank - 1x
geringer Heiltrank - 2x
17 Pfund Wels - 2x
19 Pfund Wels - 2x
170er Items - 2x

Tag 3 - 34min
Matschschnapper - 58x
Stoppelwühlerwels - 16x
Kleinfisch - 12x
geringer Manatrank - 1x
Alter Fuchs - 1x

Kommentar von LazyPleasure

Never give up!
He is somewhere out there :D

After roughly 4 hours he finally was there after overall 1115 casts.

649 x Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper
260 x Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish
190 x Raw Brilliant Smallfish
5 x 19 Pound Catfish
4 x 17 Pound Catfish
2 x Lesser Healing Potion
4 x Green Random old World Drops
1 x Old Crafty

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Kommentar von Nykylai

It took me just under 1500 casts to get Old Ironjaw, and under 30 to get Old Crafty. I am also horde so had my fair share of being ganked.

The drop rate is fine as it is.

Kommentar von Alaynisha

I would be very disappointed if they were to change these to be faction specific or change the drop rates. They're meant to be rare fish. They're meant to be rare achievements. Not everyone is supposed to gain every achievement in the game unless they put a lot of effort into it.

I just caught Old Crafty in Orgrimmar (NE Druid) and am quite proud of the fact that between the ganking and my persistence (with the help of some pure dumb luck) I managed to pull it off. It's easy to sit in a "safe" place and fish to your heart's content until you get lucky with a drop. It's truly an achievement to pull it off in a city of the opposing faction with the threat of constant death at your back (and front, and sides).

If they were going to change them to be faction specific, I would really hope that it was Alliance needs to fish up Old Crafty in Org, while Horde need to fish up Old Ironjaw in IF. Personally, I hope they keep it for both though. Still working on my Old Ironjaw, 1100 casts and counting.

Kommentar von 202235

Took me 1,069 casts to get Old Crafty - Fished in the Valley of Honor at 65,25 (behind the rocks)

643 - Raw Longjaw Mud Snappers
166 - Raw Brilliant Smallfish
246 - Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish
5 - Lesser Healing Potion
3 - Lesser Mana Potion
Three 17 Pound Catfish
Two 19 Pound Catfish
Old Crafty

23 HKs and 4 Deaths

-
Easybakeoven of Aggramar

Kommentar von Zentraedi

Just fished him up in Org. I'm Alliance. Amazingly, took only about 10 attempts!

Maybe they changed the drop rate, and maybe I'm really, really, really, really lucky. :)

Once you get into The Valley of the Spirits, run behind the Mage Trainer Hut. It's a great place to hide and you can cast your line if you're facing the way you came in.

Good luck!

Kommentar von 94822

A recommended place for alliance to fish here with a minimal chance of getting killed is approx here:
http://www.wowhead.com/?maps=1637:356893
It should be behind a tree and a rock in the Valley of Spirits.

Kommentar von 68432

Sure challenge can be fun but its not fun to sit well over 12 hours in a city fishing....

Kommentar von Brinatoo

After 178 fishing attempts, ding! Despite which city your in, just put on some music and talk to guildies/look at info to keep you interested for the moment. If that doesn't sufface just go to the conveniently placed bg's and take out your stress on others.

Tip: I am not sure if Ironforge illuminates the water as it moves, but fish facing south in Org if you want less eye cramps.

Kommentar von 233042

Achievement earned by Hidesato (Suicidal Tendencies) on 21/10/2008 Horde-Tyrande (EU)

After 611 fishing attempts I completed the achievement!

Kommentar von 7577

I wonder whether the drop rate of Old Crafty might have been raised in 3.0.2; I caught him in 3 casts. I've fished in Org many many times over the years (not sure when he was introduced) and never caught him. Then last night I decided to try to catch him. I settled in for a few hours of fishing and ended up only being there for a minute or two.

Kommentar von 232212

I just watched an alliance character get 25 Fish, and about 5 casts later he lands this. I'm sure I'm over 500 already with no luck.

Kommentar von Nipah

There are two possible choices for fishing up both of these fish.

Ironforge:
The Mystic Ward - Right in front of the mage trainers there is a pool of water. This is a rather good spot for the Alliance, as most people seem to only fish in the Forlorn Cavern... for the Horde, it's suicide.

The Forlorn Cavern - Pretty close to the fishing trainer in IF. The best choice for the Horde by far... as it's somewhat out of the way, and you can nestle yourself in the back corner and hope no one wants you to die.

Honorable mention: Lava - You can fish in lava. For the Alliance, there really isn't much point in this. For the Horde, you may be able to find a nice spot where no one will see you... but with the guards at level 75, I wouldn't recommend it.

Orgrimmar:
The Valley of Spirits - The area where the Priest/Mage trainers are. A pretty nice spot for both sides... Horde side, no drawbacks really... Alliance side it's a rather nice spot as long as you stay out of sight... only problem will be Hunters tracking humanoid or someone portalling in seeing your in the chat log.

The Valley of Honor - Pretty close to the fishing trainer in Org. The best choice for the Alliance no doubt... you can tuck yourself away behind the rocks under the waterfall and fish life away. For the Horde its also a good spot... nice and wide open, with easy access to the trainer and a vendor (for lures and trash fish).

My personal experience: I just finished this on my Shaman and I must say, I got extremely lucky. It took me about 700 caught fish in IF to catch Old Ironjaw, and less than 70 in Org for Old Crafty. I managed to die 3 times in the process... one due to walking head first into the guards and a scout between the Drag and the Valley of Honor, and then twice by members of the Horde faction... once in VoS and again in VoH. Personally, I think I used up all my good luck getting these 2 achievements... all my rolls from now on will be 1's no doubt.

Kommentar von 234570

The Drop Rate SUCKS!
I think I fished around 450 fish in and still no drop. The other annoying thing is hunters tracking me and and shoting I guess "There is a naked gnome fishing here!"
and getting ganked.
The best place is just behind the tree next to the mage trainer.
I asked a GM about the rate and he said they have a very low drop rate. :(
Soo more fishing for me to do.
And please dont gank people who are naked and have a fishing rod in their hand :D

Kommentar von 65759

how do you people even get into org at all? do you all corpse run? I can't stealth beyond the 75 elites in front and rear entrance, so unless there's a backdoor somewhere i wonder how you do not get attacked by guardsm, or corpse run your way into valey of spirit/honor

Edit: instant dismount either entrance if i try to ride in, and stealth once im out of combat, then i live around 3 yards

Kommentar von Hellxfire

Do you need to be 375 to fish him ?

Kommentar von 234570

Go to the Ashara Gate. Equip your ridding crop. Take of your Gear and /charge.
As soon as you pass the door strafe right to some rocks there and you will be fine after then ride to the valley of spirits and go all the way back to the tree and stone. Becareful annoying low level horde hunters like yelling out your location.

Kommentar von oneru

Note for all fishing fans like me who are totally going for Salty Title:

Old Ironjaw and Old Crafty are NOT necessary for the Accomplished Angler !

So you can get Salty without spending days on these fish :-)! Happy fishing!

Kommentar von 83612

I got Old Crafty today at Ogrimmar's Valley of the Spirits, after 798 fish. I got to kill some alliance as well, so i'm close to complete the City Defender achievement as well.

Kommentar von 238881

finally! 296 fishes and than bam! there he was :)

Took me about 2 hours and I raised my skill from 150 to 214 at that time.

I recomend you to do this while lvling your fishing otherwiese you need alot of patience :P

Best spot for me was at the waterfall in VOH because I got ganked a few times at VOS.

Now I say:
- Old Ironjaw watch out! Here i come!

Kommentar von mambaza

The bug using the Crocolisks quest appears to have been corrected. As a NE, I went to IF with the daily. I removed autoloot, and proceeded to fish, not picking up the crocolisk. After 25 casts, crocolisk dropped 24 times, but no old crafty.

Kommentar von Dimish

How to make fishing less boring
There's no denying it, fishing gets boring after about the 100th time you throw your bobble into the waters to catch, for example, this fish. Here are some of the techniques i use to make it fun.

Step 1.
Download/buy some comedies (I for example watched seasons 1-5 of Scrubs while i fished my way through 1-320 fishing ), movies, any kind of motionpicture that you enjoy and could watch for +4 hours.

Step 2.
Download BS player/Media player classic (Those are atleast the ones i know that have this feature) and go to Options. There is an option called "Always on top". Switch that on. Then, turn on your Scrubs or whatever you want to watch, and place it so it doesn't get in the way of your bobble (Bobler or whatever that thing is that floats on the surface of the water).

Step 3
We're almost done. Now, go to your fishing spot (Ironforge or Orgimmar in case you're after these two lovely's), and bid your Fishing skill to some easy to press (F for example) button. Then turn on "Auto-loot" (Remember, you still have to press "Yes i want to loot this BoP fish" button when you do finally get this lovely piece of epicness) from WoW's options. Next order of business, go to Sound options, and switch it on so it makes sounds when a fish has been "caught" (They are either Sound effects or Ambient sounds, so turn both on.). Now finely toon it so you can listen to your show and you can hear it when the fish is caught. Now, fish away!

This has worked for like +2 years for me now, and i finally have a place to post my comments ^_^. Hope you enjoy'd my little tricks and tips, and i hope to see some lovely "Salty" tittled people running around!

Show ideas (I'm a comedy guy, so... this will reflect that)
- Scrubs (7 seasons of pure awesomeness)
- Friends
- Pablo Fransisco stand up comedy's (You can also watch these on Google-video, but then this trick of mine wouldn't work ;) )
- Third Rock From The Sun
- Two and a half men
- V for Vendetta (Not a show, a movie)
- Dark Knight ( Read above)

That should last atleast 3 characters worth of fishing. Have a good one!

EDIT// "Be prepared to be annoyed by other people fishing near you, as their bobbers will often be just as loud as yours."
This is a small problem with this technique, but the way to get around this is to get far from other people, and it isn't really hard. Not a whole lot of people (atleast on Darksorrow) are fishing for these lovelys.

Kommentar von 243063

took me about 600 casts to get it. I got my fishing from 0 to 235 with this.
I was always fishing when waiting in a BG queue or something.. now that I got Old Crafty I have nothing else to do in orgrimmar while waiting ;<

Kommentar von vexis58

On a side note, you can get crocolisks in IF now too. I'd imagine you can get them in all the cities....although the Old Crafty trick doesnt seem to apply to Old Ironjaw.

Confirmed. I got Old Crafty in 12 casts, then immediately went to Ironforge. Skilled up from 123 to 156 so far without seeing Old Ironjaw, though every single cast has had a crocolisk in it.

Kommentar von vexis58

go to Sound options, and switch it on so it makes sounds when a fish has been "caught" (They are either Sound effects or Ambient sounds, so turn both on.).

They are Sound Effects. Turn off Ambient Sounds, as that's only the sound the water makes against the shore of whatever pond you're fishing at.

Be prepared to be annoyed by other people fishing near you, as their bobbers will often be just as loud as yours.

Kommentar von wowaddict123

I've caught 2 x Old Crafty in the Valley of Honor in 383 casts. 0.52% drop rate at this point for me. Good Luck.

Kommentar von Steensborg

Anyone know if this trick works on fishing The 1 Ring up? heard it was fished in Stormwind so i wonder if this quest trick might work.

Kommentar von 261201

With patch 3.08 this bug no longer occurs because blizz changed the percentage for the fishingdaily questitems back to it's dropchance prior 3.02 where you sometimes had to fish 10min+

Kommentar von Ralenia

Tried fishing him up in Valley of Honor with the Crokolisks in the city quest on my log. Cast about ~150 times, had the Baby crokolisk show up about 6-8 times, but not Old Crafty at all. I was in a group with a fellow fisherman, but might be farfetched if being in a group had anything to do with chances of fishing him up... There was also server restart coming in 15 minutes, so I decided to loot up Baby crokolisk and hs out before the restart :<. Going to delete Baby crok from my inventory and try casting more tomorrow.

In the end the chances are:
1. I was extremely unlucky (comparing other posters have catched him on their first or second cast)
2. This daily quest trick has been hotfixed in 3.0.8 patch

Kommentar von Casius

still working after 3.0.8b
got him after 10 casts with quest "crocolisks in the city"

Kommentar von Fudge

As of 3.0.8, I took my alliance toon to phased version of Orgrimmar via the dragonblight quest sequence. I had crocolisks in the city.

It took me about 15 casts to catch the crocolisk, and another 50 to catch old Crafty.
Still struggling to get Old Ironjaw though.

Kommentar von Tarka

Can you still get Crafty with the Fate quest? I've been at it 4 days not and still no luck.

Kommentar von 232953

Its true i caught at about 340 time, started with 273 fishing ended with 304, don't now if its clue or not but in the end i was fishing inside the waterfall. Oh and i am in patch 3.0.8.

Kommentar von Donki

over 1000 casts and no crafty

I'm a horde Tauran

Kommentar von 324932

I need a confirmation if anyone has caught this fish post hotfixing the bug

Kommentar von 237309

I previously did Crocolisks in the City. I am in the "safe" Org instance. Fishing for 3 different days leveling up from 290 skill to 353 as of last night. I am burned out, but don't want to lose the safety of the instance. I have completed the Fate Up Against Your Will quest, but have not taken the SW portal back to finish the next one. Can I just leave to take care of business and come back? Is this a bug with the latest patch?

Kommentar von 33022

Well so far I have fished from 136 to 450, over 1600 casts in Org, with and w/o the croc daily quest and no sign of Old Crafty. I've tried w/ and w/o autoloot as well. I've no idea what to do except keep plugging away at it... I'm beginning to dread the thought of going to IF...

blood elf priest

Kommentar von 328231

OMG!
I catch him after 400ish casts but was so zoned out I recasted before looting:-( Seems I'm not the only one with trigger finger. But now.... I have cast 3289 times and no Crafty! WTF! does the counter reset? Do I give up or just fish until infinity? I am so frustrated with this atm that I am contemplating canceling my subscription to the game.

Kommentar von 294882

The story of my battle with this mighty fish

Twis 10 past 6 when i woke up that mourning outside of the great city of our horde. i rode into town on my trusty kodo, knowing work would start as usual, a trip to the market to check the prices of fish before heading to capture such beast my self.

As i stepped back upon my trusty stead i heard the noise from nearby fishers as i caught part of their conversation.
"...ripped my real in half....fish said to be cursed by the gods themselves...worth a fortune"
And from there i knew this day was like none other.

I sat onto a rock and put on my hat and and then put my lure on my line and began my day. As the day went on it seemed i had caught more fish then ever before but they were meaningless to me. I wanted this fish i had heard of, nay i needed this fish! And so it went on, and as the other fishers went home at 5 i stayed hoping to test my luck.

At half past 6 my food supplies were low. I took the last bite of my sandwich and dropped some of the meat onto my lap. As i went to pick it up i felt a tug on my line, but not just any tug, the tug of a master fish! IT WAS ON!

Grasping my line and throwing my half devoured sandwich flying into the face of a passing guard i began my fight. I pulled to my left to no affect so i pulled the other way to find myself drug off my rock and into the pond. There i saw it with horror as it went.SNAP! my reel was done. but i was not done yet. i leap forward with my left hand lunging at the fish but to results. i quickly withdrew my knife from my waist band that i had used to cut my line. I throw it up and caught it with my right hand and stabbed and slashed at the water. But the beast was too quick and i dropped it into the mud! i began to sprint after it but i tripped and fell into the mud. There i was, covered in mud and half into a pound and as my shame rood up my body as strangers laughed at me i saw it. A ripple in the water at first, but then bigger, faster,faster, it was coming back for me! I saw the jaws of Old crafty and i know i would have to think fast. and then my idea came and i knew it was time for redemption! i twist my head to 1 side and prepared and then...SMACK. i lunged forward with my horn stabbed at the fish. all was silent. silence. even the laughter of the crowd had gone for there was 50 no 100 gathers watching the epic struggle. and then i saw it. a cloud of red. and then a trickle down my horn! i had caught and slain old craft. His blood ran down and i roared with the battle cry that would become the saying of adventurers and heros for ages! FOR THE HORDE! i ran out of the pond and too the market but then i decided not to sell the fish. no the money wasn't worth it. i hung it in my living room right above the pelt of the feared Hogger. And so to this day in the city they tell of the epic battle of fisherman vs beast and how it is truly possible to defeat such fish in a wonderous place known as, The World, Of warcraft!
><> edit ><> i spelled mighty in the title might..lol

Kommentar von 294882

The story of my battle with this mighty fish

Twis 10 past 6 when i woke up that mourning outside of the great city of our horde. i rode into town on my trusty kodo, knowing work would start as usual, a trip to the market to check the prices of fish before heading to capture such beast my self.

As i stepped back upon my trusty stead i heard the noise from nearby fishers as i caught part of their conversation.
"...ripped my real in half....fish said to be cursed by the gods themselves...worth a fortune"
And from there i knew this day was like none other.

I sat onto a rock and put on my hat and and then put my lure on my line and began my day. As the day went on it seemed i had caught more fish then ever before but they were meaningless to me. I wanted this fish i had heard of, nay i needed this fish! And so it went on, and as the other fishers went home at 5 i stayed hoping to test my luck.

At half past 6 my food supplies were low. I took the last bite of my sandwich and dropped some of the meat onto my lap. As i went to pick it up i felt a tug on my line, but not just any tug, the tug of a master fish! IT WAS ON!

Grasping my line and throwing my half devoured sandwich flying into the face of a passing guard i began my fight. I pulled to my left to no affect so i pulled the other way to find myself drug off my rock and into the pond. There i saw it with horror as it went.SNAP! my reel was done. but i was not done yet. i leap forward with my left hand lunging at the fish but to results. i quickly withdrew my knife from my waist band that i had used to cut my line. I throw it up and caught it with my right hand and stabbed and slashed at the water. But the beast was too quick and i dropped it into the mud! i began to sprint after it but i tripped and fell into the mud. There i was, covered in mud and half into a pound and as my shame rood up my body as strangers laughed at me i saw it. A ripple in the water at first, but then bigger, faster,faster, it was coming back for me! I saw the jaws of Old crafty and i know i would have to think fast. and then my idea came and i knew it was time for redemption! i twist my head to 1 side and prepared and then...SMACK. i lunged forward with my horn stabbed at the fish. all was silent. silence. even the laughter of the crowd had gone for there was 50 no 100 gathers watching the epic struggle. and then i saw it. a cloud of red. and then a trickle down my horn! i had caught and slain old craft. His blood ran down and i roared with the battle cry that would become the saying of adventurers and heros for ages! FOR THE HORDE! i ran out of the pond and too the market but then i decided not to sell the fish. no the money wasn't worth it. i hung it in my living room right above the pelt of the feared Hogger. And so to this day in the city they tell of the epic battle of fisherman vs beast and how it is truly possible to defeat such fish in a wonderous place known as, The World, Of warcraft!
><> edit ><> i spelled mighty in the title might..lol

Kommentar von 328777

If you spend too much time fishing ^ that's what becomes of you..

Kommentar von Zahorijs

If you want this achievement, just don't give up. 4865 casts together in The Valley of Spirits and The Valley of Honor and finally I got it!

Kommentar von Sindaran

First read about crafty while researching the quest from wrathgate.

My druid was leveling fishing while phased in Ogrimmar,got crafty on around her 80th cast.

Then I read about the croc trick,tried on my warlock today.Turned down the baby croc twice,then read trick no longer worked.

So, I took baby croc next time it showed.Decided I would fish for an hour before giving up.

At around my 100th cast,hour was up.Was about to hearth,decided I'd give it one more cast,and got Crafty.

Now for my hunter :)

Kommentar von vexis58

Caught Old Crafty on my NE druid with the Crocolisks in the City daily in about 35 minutes, leveled from 344 to 354 while doing so.

Kommentar von 345061

So, I put on my title Ambassador, put on my non-threatening RP gear. I go to fish at Orgrimmar and seem to do it pretty well, until some bloodthirsty orc warrior had to come there, "kek" insatiably and kill me, causing seemingly everyone from Orgrimmar to come up to my corpse and /spit etc. So much for diplomacy!

Kommentar von MadMontie

There should be a better achievement than just catching old crafty. One of my toons (named Milwaukee) caught old crafty on his first catch. Milwaukee now has a fishing skill of 2. that should be a feat of strength.

Kommentar von 364288

I was in Org trying to skill up to 300 and hit my 1000 fish achievement (which I did), figuring I'd catch Old Crafty in the meanwhile. I was 200 casts in when some L80 comes and starts fishing next to me. A few minutes later, *ding* he gets his 50 fish achievement, so I'm thinking hey, he's starting from ground zero. A couple minutes later, *ding* he gets his Old Crafty achievement.

This story tells me many things:
1. There is no minimum skill required to fish up Old Crafty
2. It's better to be lucky than good
3. If you watch somebody fish up old Crafty you might as well give up on it for the rest of the day.

Kommentar von Woth

Got it after 576 catches, fished all in Valley of Honor. I started with 230 skill and finished with 300, so I think it's even better if you just start fishing there with 1 skill, and level up the profession. Gotta fish Old Ironjaw now :P.

Kommentar von piparkaq

1400 casts and counting, still no Old Crafty. :-(

Two 17 point off-hand fishes tho.

Kommentar von Shiverlynn

Fishing BoP items no longer brings up the confirmation window, you automatically loot it and it binds. You don't need to watch out for the confirmation window anymore and can spam fishing with autoloot on.

Kommentar von 392150

This achievement wasn't so boring than I thought, because there were 2-3 hordes killing us and we did kill them too about 15 minutes with my friend.

Here is the list for % and each:

time elapsed: 1.48.30 hours
place: The Valley of Spirits
total fished: 298

Longjaw Mud Snapper: 176 =59.1%
Bristle Whisker Catfish: 68 =22.8%
Brilliant Smallfish: 49 =16.4%
17 Pound Catfish: 2 =0.7%
Old Crafty: 1 =0.3%
22 Pound Catfish: 1 =0.3%
Lesser Healing Potion: 1 =0.3%

Kommentar von 420671

The OL daily crocolisk bug doesnt work anymore....
GAH!
anyone know another bug for this or ironjaw?

Kommentar von obievil

I just got this on my Alliance DK, 425 casts. They have indeed fixed the Crock quest thing, because previous to 3.1 when I did old Iron Jaw, it took me less than 25 casts with that Quest.

Kommentar von Berrenger

Finally managed to catch Old Crafty today! Took me just under 6 hours of fishing spread over 4 days. I was fishing in Valley of Honour, using the old /lie trick to hide behind the rocks. In total I fished up:

Bristle Whisker Catfish: 204 = 20%
Longjaw Mud Snapper: 609 = 59.7%
Brilliant Small Fish: 197 = 19.3%
Lesser Mana Potion: 2 = 0.2%
Lesser Healing Potion: 1 = 0.1%
17 pound Catfish: 3 = 0.3%
19 pound Catfish: 3 = 0.3%

So Old Crafty came up on my 1020th cast!

Unfortunately I was so excited/surprised to see him I forgot to take a screen shot with the achievement showing :-(

Kommentar von Fred

Just got Old Crafty on my 17th cast, I may just be lucky, was fishing in The Valley of Spirits, I'm also Alliance, you can go to the back corner and stand behind a stone and Horde won't even notice you.

Kommentar von 421062

For me it took about 2000 casts for crafty. That took ages and considering horde were gankin me every second it was annoying. Then my friend said why dont i get ironjaw so i did. 5 casts. asked another mate who had both and they said it was about 100 for ironjaw and 1900 for crafty. Im guessing either were really lucky when in ironforge or bliz wants to make ally wait loads and get ganked just for a fish

Kommentar von 452091

If you are alliance - here is how i did it, and it just took a bit of persistence:

1 - go to Valley of Heroes in Orgrimmar, hide behind the rocks under the waterfall there, so no horde will see you

2 - position yourself so you have a nice view of the bobber, since it's a tight place for fishing

3 - Just be persistant, it WILL drop

I caught good ol' Crafty after 2h 30m, and around 500 fishing swings. Saturday morning, so Orgrimmar seemed empty also, had no troubles with NPCs nor hordies.

Happy hunting :)

Maraniel - Darkspear EU

Kommentar von Stoneboar

My only question is since the Diplomat title revolves around Orgrimmar and Stormwind.......they should have renamed "IronJaw" to something a bit different so that it could be in Stormwind.

Since the Horde fish is in the Horde capital so should the Ally fish...leastways makes sense to me

Kommentar von anaamika

Just a note that you can no longer fish in front of the Mystic Ward in IF, nor in the lava any more.

As Alliance, I had more luck at the Valley of Honor than the Valley of Spirits simply because there were less people around no matter what time of day. Got jumped several times near the portal, during which time I only managed to catch the following:
Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper - 254
Bloated Mud Snapper - 1 (contained Shadowgem)
Raw Brilliant Smallfish - 70
Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish - 78
19 Pound Catfish - 2

After that I gave up and headed over to the waterfall in Valley of Honor where I found the perfect fishing spot behind the rocks, but just in front of the waterfall itself. Visibility is really poor unless you tilt your camera angle so you're looking from directly overhead. This way you have quite a view of the pool in front of the falls so you can see incoming Horde (if any) and you also have a great view of your bobber even if it's cast into the rocks as so frequently happens. Just mouse over the rocks and you sometimes find the bobber clickable. If not, simply recast and keep going. In this spot I didn't get jumped even once, and I caught:
Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper - 144
Raw Brilliant Smallfish - 40
Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish - 40
17 Pound Catfish - 1
Lesser Mana Potion - 1
Lesser Healing Potion - 1
Old Crafty - 1

Going by the number of nightcrawlers I used in my entire time there, I estimate it took less than 150 minutes to fish him up. By the way, did this as a level 63 balance druid, so getting jumped usually meant getting one-shotted, and also, running over to Valley of Honor meant endless corpse runs because of all the higher level guards between The Drag and there, but it was worth it in the end to be left alone by players once I got there. Only reason I persisted was because I'd just fished up Old Ironjaw right before and wanted the matching pair :) Between these 2 guys, the coins from the Dalaran fountain and the sewer rat, I'd be happy if I never fished again in my life... or until the next Stranglethorn event <sigh>

Good luck to everyone else trying for this!

Kommentar von 242173

If you're Alliance then the Valley of Spirits is the easiest to get to by a wide margin. Go through the back entrance located at the very top right corner of The Barrens, not Durotar. Once over the small bridge go around the bend to the right, very short distance. There's 3 large rocks, one very tall in the middle though nearer the back wall. Good place to fish from and to hide behind when you want to log out and back in. I spirit walked all around Ogrimmar and its a heckuva place to find your way in if your not use to it.

On a sidenote, I've fished with Horde in Ironforge, and though I don't have Old Crafty yet I was there a while today. For a lot of players there seems to be an unwritten rule that you don't attack a player while they're fishing which I think is kinda cool.

But yes, you can always be ganked at anytime.

Edit: actually even better is to go to the back wall and get in the nook between the rock and tree.

Edit II: Took me a full week, a couple of long sits and many small ones of 15 minutes to a half hour. Had to be over 2,000 casts, caught many 17 and 19 pounders, couple pair of pants and a mace.

Some extra advice: keep your view from above, not in body. Some horde in demon-lion form jumped right in my face and I swear my heart stopped for a second.

Kommentar von hoofnbutt

ty for your help! what is the crosolix trick?

Kommentar von 469022

I decided to go for the achievement with my 80 lvl alliance paladin. I read useful information from the above comments and i went for it. I decided to go on Orgrimmar as earlier in the morning as possible. I went there 6 o'clock server time (7 local time) on a Sunday morning. I didn't expect to find people so early in the morning but i did find two 80's. After a short fight i died and then returned back. It took me 5 minutes to recover my body so both players had left. I went behind the waterfall and i /sleep to hide as best as possible. After almost two hours and some 300 catches, i caught Old Crafty.

Kommentar von 242225

Got him after 22 catches on my level 26 night elf druid XD

Kommentar von kcz421

Took me a total of um.. 110 casts I think? I had downloaded fishing buddy but forgot to actually put the add-on. (Smoking weed is bad, mmmmkay?) So I might've missed maybe 5 or 10 fish. Time was probably about 20 minutes, again not sure because BGs popped.

You'll find more horde activity in Valley of Spirits because the portals land there (if mage ports you or if you take a city portal from Shatt/Dal), so if you're Alliance, just watch for that. I saw a couple Alliance fishing in this tight space between the hut and the wall. I leave 'em alone; I know the pain of visiting other cities for achievements and the long run back is teh suck. The other spot in Valley of Honor might be okay, I stood next to the fishing trainer so I could sell loots and not have bag space issues. Alliance, not sure where you'd stand in that area. By the waterfall? Not much horde activity there, at least late at night, unless you run into the random person running to talk to npcs there.

Much easier time-wise for the amount of time it took fishing him up.

Next up are the giant rat and the sea turtle mount... and Mr. Pinchy. And the pets from Mr. Barlo.

And auto loot is the best. Lazy clicking ftw.

Oh, I didn't have the crocolisk in the city quest from Barlo, I had completed previously and turned in the quest and got Snarly as a present.

Old Crafty and Old Ironjaw, got them both the first time I actually went with the intent to do it. Total time spent, about 2.5 hours. Total casts? Oh lord only knows. 400? It's really just luck. Sometimes mine is REALLY awesome. Or REALLY bad.

Kommentar von blahism

As of 10/22/2009 I am no longer able to catch anything with any of my toons while on the "Diplomat" quests while fishing in Orgrimmar. I get skill level increases however nothing is being caught. I have filed a bug and it was confirmed hotfixed on one server but a client bug on another. I'll go with the hotfixed since it doesn't work on any of the 3 realms I play on.

Kommentar von 239711

Apparently I'm crazy lucky.. I only visited this page to see if this was actually a hard achievement to get after I snagged Old Crafty after my first fishing cast ever on my character >.>

has earned the achievement !
You receive loot: Old Crafty.
You skill in Fishing has increased to 2.

Kommentar von 480959

Much more than 2000 cast and still nothing.
I'am very unlucky Gnome -.-
I afraid i havent more patient for this achi.

Edited: Success i needed about 2500 casts ^_^

Kommentar von psipress

190 -- Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper
82 -- Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish
53 -- Raw Brilliant Smallfish
2 -- Lesser Healing Potions
1 -- Lesser Mana Potion
1 -- 19 Pound Catifsh
1 -- Old Crafty

I just hung out all afternoon and fished while I watched a movie. It really didnt take that long if you consider only 330 casts. It is VERY boring though.

Kommentar von 357498

ubeliaveble got this on 24th cast http://img402.imageshack.us/i/wowscrnshot110709002841.jpg/

Kommentar von speckz

350+ casts so far, no Crafty yet.

Kommentar von 488511

i got old crafty in 134 cast no idea what i got wasn't paying attention.
i was 320 fishing no lure 10+ pole i was fishing in the rocks next to the water fall in the valley of honnor.
i caught old crafty before i got 1000 fish ach :)

Kommentar von 490469

It took me 67 attempts to fish this up, perhaps a sign that the odds have improved (28-11-2009).

Either that or I was very, very lucky!

Kommentar von 102859

If you know some sweet spots to fish for this, post it, we'll be glad to know. If you want to report your current status regarding the achievement, go Thottbot, instead of trashing good ol' Wowhead with pointless info. Thank you.

Kommentar von Unimpresed

Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper x 184 = 62%
Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish x 63 = 21%
Raw Brilliant Smallfish x 46 = 15%
17 Pound Catfish x 3 = 1%
Lesser Mana potion x 1 = 0.3%
Old Crafty x 1 = 0.3%

Total Casts = 298 (not counting ones where I was too slow to click the bobber when tabbed out of the WoW window)
Total Time Spent Fishing = A couple hours plus in between heroic summons, plus a break for a WG

Using a Mastercraft Kalu'ak fishing Pole with no lures

Good luck to all you fishermen :)

Kommentar von 482127

After:

I get:

Old Crafty

Kommentar von 514382

you wouldn't beleive my luck with this achivement, my fishing skill was a good 200 when i went there with a friend that was crazy about getting this one, he had 450 and a great fishing pole mine was crap at the time.

so, we went in (we're alliance) he went in first to get aggro (like a gentleman) and i had my soulstone on me so i got killed near the lake by the cascade i revived and hid myself there, he also got killed and went in after me, we where hidden in the cascade a great spot for this achivement.

so at the time i really wasn't into the achivements thing (now i have 6050 points) and i was telling this friend i had to go somewhere else, so after like 10 min. i thougth to myself ok this is my last cast and after this i'm leaving so i threw the line and got the slash and surprise surprise i got the fish.

well you can imagine my friend was really mad, cause after i left he spended like four hours triyng to get the fish and he didn't.

well for me it was pretty easy, i fell sorry for the horde they don't have a spot in ironforge to get hidden like we do.

good luck fishers

Kommentar von 146296

Well, that was lucky. I was at 266 when I started and caught him right after I hit 274, after catching 37 mudsnappers, 15 smallfish, and 17 catfish. So not too bad at all.

Kommentar von JGPenfield

I did not catch him but I did find that fishing behind the waterfall is safe for the Alliance. While I was there Horde kept jumping of a cliff into the water in front of me for some reason, but I was never spotted. The bobber could not be seen because of the waterfall. But if I scanned the area in front of me the little cog showed up and I would listen for the water sound to know when to reel it in. This became difficult when a second alliance player showed up because both bobbers made the same noise, but I was able to mange it with the timing of our casts. The other Alliance fisherman was further up so he could see his bobber and was more visible but still was not attacked by the Horde. If I were the Horde I would regularly scout this area for hidden Alliance. After reading the posts about Old Iron Jaw I am going to scout the pool in Ironforge.
The Alliance live to kill the Horde and vice versa. Otherwise, what is the use of playing this game?

Kommentar von 554254

Just finished old Crafty and it took a wile. 1542 throws and about 8 hours of fishing.

Kommentar von 570730

I picked Valley of Spirits seeing as it was less occupied with 80's. More just little level 15's and such. Stripped down to my skivvies and used potion of lesser invisibility to skip past the guards and avoid trouble that way. Tucked myself into a corner on the western side and sat down to make myself less noticable (also removed my title). Spent a good few hours fishing and getting nothing before I had to log off. Logged back on the next day, still in the same spot and really not wanting to waste my day with more hours of fishing.
Still, I decided to cast my line just one more time before hearthing and wouldn't you know it, I caught the little sucker

And was never noticed once by the horde

Kommentar von DMFDxGamer

My loot window is empty everytime.

Am i missing something?

-Alliance NE Hunter

Kommentar von Sagmon

Caught Old Crafty just this morning, as an Alliance player - the "quest" for this Achievement comes with excitement not encountered in most WoW activities!

I'm a Warrior. L77. I came to Orgrimmar specc'd, geared, and buffed for DPS, in Berserker stance, late last night (about 11:30 PST). I figured fighting would draw attention of any nearby players, so the quicker it was over, the better. This toon is a Night Elf, so it has Shadowmeld, and is a capped Herbalist, so it also has Lifeblood. I figured that in a crowd I could stay alive long enough to take down one or two guards and fade out to leave combat if a hopeless fight remained.

I brought a full stack of Elixir of Camouflage (L50; "...cannot be tracked" 1 hour), noting that others had mentioned they'd been detected by hunters and other trackers. Gotta say - what I wish I'd also brought is a hefty stack of Blackened Worg Steak (22500 HP / 30s "...track Humanoids" 1 hour)! It's not enough that they cannot see you on their mini-map - you really need to know when they're close by. Also, of course, the getting in is easier if you can track both guards and players.

The west gate is the better way in. There is lots of activity in The Valley of Strength, where the Bank and AH are; you don't want to have to go through it. Guards (L75) on the bridge must be fought in pairs (at best), but I was able to get across without much problem. I got through the gateway with a final clash with a single guard on the inside. I moved off the path to the right, then continued down the "S" to the southeast, mounted. Probably not a good idea, although the path seemed deserted. A player spotted me and took a ranged shot before I saw her and could 'meld...

To avoid players, I chose the route around to the North, through The Valley of Wisdom. Some players were still around, especially near the Hall of Legends. I hid in rocks to the right of the path, 'melded, until roving NPCs were clear and the loitering players seemed to be gone. By running along the right edge of the path I was able to avoid aggroing the two stationary NPCs. Pretty scary, though - players seemed to blast down the path at odd times - but I got away with it. There were some more close Guard clashes as I got onto The Drag and into the "right-left" hallway leading into The Valley of Honor. I 'melded into the corner in the left-turn portion as an elite L80 Scout approached from that Valley, but he seemed to see me from about ten yards away...

Luckily I'd died close enough to the exit so that I could rez in the Valley of Wisdom, just to the right of the entrance, barely out of aggro distance of the nearest guard. I 'melded immediately, of course, but there seemed to be no guards or players there at that time (sure wish I'd brought the Blackened Worg Steak, though!). I moved further east to be clear of the gate, then ran north into the water toward the falls. I found a position east of the falls right against the rocks where I was pretty sure I was out of sight. I equipped my pole and began casting.

The first thing I learned about fishing under those conditions was that seeing the bobber is often not possible, because of rocks, weeds, and falling water. Still, I could often guess where it was from the line and get the cog icon.

After 220 successful casts, a 'lock at L80 found and ganked me. With the food buff, I might have been able to 'meld when I saw he was close, but as it is I can only guess at how I was detected. The Untrackable buff was still up, but there is a little path above where I was, and he might have passed close enough to see my bars... or he might've noticed my casting... In any case, I figured I'd get some sleep and avoid any revisits. I logged out with my ghost at my corpse.

This AM I got on again (6:45A PST), checked out the area (daylight, but empty), rezzed, and resumed. 160 casts later, I finally had Old Crafty, and was hearthing before the Achievement banner had started to fade!

My results, across the two sessions:
223 Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper
90 Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish
62 Raw Brilliant Smallfish
2 17-pound Catfish
1 19-pound Catfish
1 Buccaneer's Gloves of the Owl (green)

... and one Old Crafty! :-)

Kommentar von 70984

Just caught Old Crafty in under 10 minutes.

Kommentar von Heeris

1300 catches and still counting...

Kommentar von 620405

I guess my luck was pretty incredible. I snuck into Orgrimmar, stole the flame for the Midsummer Achievement, died a couple of times on my way to the Valley of Honor, then cast three times before catching Old Crafty and getting the Diplomat achievement. It probably helped that I did it at seven in the morning, before Horde woke up. : )

Kommentar von 625234

finally caught old crafty on my main. broke it down over a couple of days of grinding it out. 317 catches later im off to see how many times i die attempting old ironjaw =) happy casting!

totals:
long jaw mud snapper : 191
bristle whisker catfish: 62
brilliant smallfish: 58
17-lb catfish: 2
19-lb catfish: 1
raider shortsword of stamina
lesser mana potion
and of course old crafty =)

Kommentar von RacerLicht

Aho!

Easy job :-)
spend around 8 hours with some small breaks (after get ganked and lunch etc.) as Ally in Orgrimmar fishing
and catched:
totals: 1267
long jaw mud snapper : 743
bristle whisker catfish: 295
brilliant smallfish: 216
17-lb catfish: 3
19-lb catfish: 4
cloth boots
some lesser mana potion
one gem filled fish :-)
and

1 old Crafty

So this was a hard one ....

Aho!
Licht

Kommentar von N0bby

It took me two sessions to get Crafty. First one was about 20 minutes before I got killed by a rogue who didn't mean to leave and took my fishing spot. The second one was about 80 minutes long and I got killed by a hunter who could track me.

Few tips for the Alliance:

Valley of Spirits is easy to reach from the back entrance to the city. Put on some shield spell, if you can, mount up and follow the road cross the bridge down to the Valley.
Nearest NPCs in Valley are lvl40, so you should be safe at lvl50+.
Cross the Valley lake and try to hide under a palm tree and in water bushes. You can also /sit or /sleep while fishing, so you won't be easy to spot.
Turn off your title. Having "Name of the Ashen Verdict" above is like you had a target painted on you. Being a member of the guild with a very long name, on the other side, is something you cannot change.
There is a point in the nearby hut where the Horde players are being ported from Dalaran, so traffic is high there. But most people just run down the stairs from the hut and then they run to the city, so they should not spot you, unless they turn back.
Bind fishing to a key, so you can just click key and then right click a bobber. Have music muted and sound effects maxed. You will hear water splash when a fish is hooked.
To make sure you don't miss Crafty by casting again, download NoBoPWarning. AddOn automatically confirms you want to loot the item.
Have /salute, /bow, and /thanks emotes ready. People wont attack you immediately (except rogues :), when they see you and they need to think a while if they could kill you easily or they better keep their PvP flag off. Being nice may save you and I even got a /pat back twice!

And some statistics:
Fishing skill before: 350(+135) / 450
Fishing skill after: 400 / 450
131 Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper
40 Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish
31 Raw Brilliant Smallfish
1 17 pound Catfish
1 Old Crafty (1 out of 204; 0.5%)

Kommentar von Heldamon

I disagree, Hordes have it way to easier.

You just have to go in a dark cave where nobody ever passes by, and stay there. If someone actually
do pass by, the chances that he will look in the cave are minimal.

The Alliance on the other hand have to stand either next to the Arena and Battlegrounds masters or
next to the Hall of Legends / Portals areas where movement in and out is always major.

So yes, a dark cave in a never visited place vs a spot next to portals/battlemasters.

Kommentar von 671902

Tried the first day near the portals in the valley of the spirits, no luck. Lots of lowlevel hordies pass by, so I had guests every minute

Valley of honor is so much better, there are the rocks near the waterfall which provide an excellent cover and hide you from anyone. Just try to get there without fighting (like I had to do) and you won't have problems

Kommentar von 301476

wow have they made these fish achievements easier? i remember back when wrath was still fresh, i put in over 6000+ casts on my DK and no luck... went today after a year and a half, got crafty in 2 casts, and ironjaw in 24 casts... wow lol

Kommentar von 691437

Hi all,
sitting in watter in OG
yesterday: 1481 attempts - old crafty nothing
today: i took the daily fish quest "croco in da city" 460 attmpts 18 times little crocco hooked - old crafty nothing

so Blizz tell me more about ...

Kommentar von Izzak

774 Tries

476 Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper ( 61.499% )
152 Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish ( 19.638% )
142 Raw Brilliant Smallfish ( 18.346% )
1 Lesser Healing Potion ( 0.129% )
1 Lesser Mana Potion ( 0.129% )
1 17 Pound Catfish ( 0.129% )

1 Old Crafty ( 0.129% )

That's without including the other 500 tries i did once !

Kommentar von 701032

I just fished up old crafty today. Fishing Buddy had me at 191 fish with drop rate of old crafty at 0.5%

I am sure I just got lucky, but I was fishing in the valley of honor at the base of the waterfall in the weeds. I don't know if it matters, but it seems that's where most people catch him.

Kommentar von Moofle

Old Crafty is still able to be caught in Orgrimmar after the shattering, I got him while doing the fishing daily, in the goblin slums.

Kommentar von 153385

So I decided to try the spot west of Valley of Honor, like Ushikawa mentioned. You don't even have to hide behind the waterfall because no horde ever goes there - at least that was my case.

The numbers:

190x Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper
75x Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish
56x Raw Brilliant Smallfish
4x 17 Pound Catfish
1x 19 Pound Catfish
1x Lesser Healing Potion
1x Lesser Mana Potion

... and no Old Crafty. Maybe tomorrow.

Kommentar von 775097

I created a new character on a friend realm last night.. A level 14 goblin so far.
I figured I'd might as well do the fishing daily while I was in Oggrimar and I got old crafty as my 11th fish in total.

Sorry.

Kommentar von 672618

After about two hours fishing in Orgrimmar this afternoon, I managed to catch Old Crafty with 432 fishing skill and Nat's Lucky Fishing Pole (+25 fishing skill.)

Kommentar von 776395

915 Succesfull casts over a 7.5hr period, and still no old crafty.
The waterfall in the valley of honor is by far the best spot, i was only killed a total of 4 times. (twice by guards getting into position, and twice by players) However i probably should have died a few more times, but due to me being a nightelf druid as people started hitting me, i shadowmelded to drop from combat and flight formed up to safety, waited til they got bored/left then continued to fish.

Kommentar von 511963

Recommend using the Camoflage Elixer to trump the hunter and druid track humaniods.

Kommentar von 783173

I was able to find a spot down in the Drag and hide out there and fish for a bit. Actually only took me less then 10mins, I was very surpised.

Kommentar von Alphakean

Oh god i just cant believe it. i got more than 4k fish for it. i got ironjaw in 3 mins and sewers rat in 5 mins. but i just cant believe how much work i did for it. i spent 4h 1st time and 5h 2nd time for getting it. valley of honors is way better anyway. much easier to hide from hordes. and looks like the drp chance is higher there. i got it there. last tries and got it at last.

Kommentar von bob72

How sad must you be to kill someone while they are fishing?

I would never gank a fisherman but that's just me;-)

Kommentar von 814910

I must have been extremely lucky last night but I found a nice little spot in the Valley of the Spirits(25.5, 70.0) where the guards didnt aggro me and only encountered a couple horde, that just flew or rode their mount by without bothering me. I just stood there in the corner and cast into that little body of water and 222 casts later....woohoo...Old Crafty.

Raw Longjaw Mudsnapper 133 59%
Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish 47 21%
Raw Brilliant Smallfish 39 17%
Buccaneers Cape of Spirit 1 0%
Lesser Mana Potion 1 0%
OLD CRAFTY ! 1 0%

Kommentar von 525467

Since the Shattering this Achievement should be much harder for the Alliance, since the redesign of both Stormwind and Orgrimmar the mass of all players have been drawn to both of these cities, however, the Horde side of this Achievement only requires them to do this in Ironforge, of which is a complete ghost town now, and the area you have to fish is secluded (with the exception of guards of course). Won't stop me from trying to get this one though ;)

Kommentar von DrCheis

A new consideration Alliance players must deal with are Wind Rider patrols. I snuck my way into Orgrimmar, found a nice secluded spot on the roof (Western Earthshrine) and got PewPew'd by a Wind Rider from above before I knew what was happening.

Kommentar von Caras

For ally, tand behind the waterfall at 46,43 and cast "out." Worked like a charm.

Kommentar von Annunanei

I spent about two hours (again) fishing behind the waterfall with no luck of catching Old Crafty, but horde caught me three times. Only one goblin really attacked me, but when I bowed to her she ceased all attacks and I got a welcoming wave like with other two encounters. Being polite and unarmored might save your life... repeatedly.

Kommentar von 819232

This achieve was insanely boring! But.... I stuck with it and got it! (Thank God!) I went to Valley of Honor and hid in the waterfall. I died twice and got a couple visitors who left me alone after I bowed to them, but not much traffic. I could see people flying over but they either could not see me or they just left me alone.

Here are my stats:

I estimate I did it for four hours. I got:
255 Raw Longjaw Mud Snappers
65 Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish
95 Raw Brilliant Smallfish
2 Lesser Healing Potions
2 Green items that I de'ed for low level enchant mats
1 Infantry Gauntlets
2 17 pound catfish
and 1 stupid old crafty!

So hang in there. It IS possible but you should probably watch something entertaining while you do it! lol

Kommentar von lownignitus

Just got Old Crafty in Valley of Honor. First time fishing in this spot and got him with a 4% drop rate.

Fishing skill 341 + Fishing hat 5 skill plus + Tiffany Pole 30 skill plus + 100 skill lure

Kommentar von Bikkin

Check out 34.2, 77.9 in Goblin Slums of Orgrimmar. It's underneath an upward sloping cliff face - very hard to see from the air. No NPCs roam near here. I have caught 377 fish so far with no interference. Someone would need to swim by in the water or fly right over you to see you here.

Kommentar von 520946

Just cought it! :D

took me a total of 1620 catches:

945x Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper
358x Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish
305x Raw Brilliant Smallfish
4x Lesser Mana Potion
3x 19 Pound Catfish
2x 17 Pound Catfish
2x Bloated Mud Snapper
1x Old Crafty

compared to my Old Ironjaw: 833 catches

511x Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper
160x Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish
152x Raw Brilliant Smallfish
3x 17 Pound Catfish
2x 19 Pound Catfish
2x Lesser Healing Potion
1x Lesser Mana Potion
1x Hunting Bow
1x Old Ironjaw

Kommentar von Bramblefist

Is there any truth to the claim that the drop rate for Old Crafty is higher for Alliance? It sounds highly unlikely to me.

Kommentar von 875298

I finally got this today, after 8 months of trying on an off.

Here is what I did:

Went to 56.34, just to the right of the waterfall. There is a cleft between the rocks where you can sit to hide in the weeds but still see the water for casts.
Took off all my gear, including my tabard so there were no bright colors
Turned off my title so my name was smaller
Used the Elixir of Camoflage
Turned on auto-loot so I didn't waste time having to pick up the fish

I have 525 fishing and used the Mastercraft Kalu'ak Fishing Pole so I had water breathing (this is so I could go to the bottom of the waterfall when I needed a break).

It took about 90 minutes and I only saw one horde, an 85 flagged for pvp came by but he just waved and left.

I lost count of how many fish, I only had 9 bag slots free once my gear was in but I emptied them all at least twice.

Good luck and happy fishing.

Kommentar von Souls93

Well I managed to catch old crafty At Valley of Spirits in Orgrimmar my level then was 21 and my fishing skill was 24. I didn't have any quest to do with fishing on at the time and didn't have any boosts or baubles etc to help I was just using the basic level 1 Fishing Rod.
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/blades-edge/Shadowsouls/achievement#169:171:a1557

Kommentar von dwhipkey

My thanks to the person that posted the information about the waterfall in Orgrimmar. It took four nights of fishing. I was chased off the first three nights when Horde camped the waterfall after I started fishing there. Given the down time when I worked an alt to avoid getting killed, Crafty came MUCH easier that Ironjaw, about 700 casts in Horde territory.

Keep posting folks.

Kommentar von N0083rP00F

This is mixed between Valley of Honor and Valley of Spirits but may help give people an idea of just how much luck plays in this quest.

308 x Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper - 61.6%
116 x Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish - 23.2%
73 x Raw Brilliant Smallfish - 14.6%
2 x 17 Pound Catfish - 0.4%
0 x 19 Pound Catfish
0 x Lesser Healing Potion
1 x Lesser Mana Potion - 0.2%
Base Fishing skill at completion - 459

So far no Old Crafty out of 500 dedicated casts - I will update this as time permits

Kommentar von 899245

As i spent my free time browsing the achivements, i tossed my line in the old valey of wisdome puddle in hopes of raising my fishing level, when all of a sudden my auto loot flashes befor my eyes, a green name, and then FLASH,chime!~ a box poofs on my display, OLD CRAFTY and i only fished about 5 times. i open my bag in exitement, and click to equip the cute little thing, and then...nothing. my internet takes a poop. today i loged on and giggled like a little girl at my new fishy. time to blap some ally noobs in the face with the ultimate of sushi power!

Kommentar von andrearochel

For Alliance: I flew in very high above the flying guards and dropped straight down behind the waterfall. I did this around 9am server time. Org was very empty and I wasn't seen. I stood behind the waterfall and did my casting. It took me 25 casts and on 26 I picked up "Old Crafty". My fishing lvl was 338 and I used a "Heat treated spinning lure" that I made with engineering.

I flew in and out and caught him without ever being seen or tracked. Lucky day I suppose.

Kommentar von Eld11

Well I looked at all of the comments before doing this achievement so I thought I would toss in my experience with it.
Started out fishing at 415 fishing level and ended with 525. Just used the jeweled fishing pole and fishing hat, nothing else.

Started fishing in the Valley or Honor BUT after getting fed up with casting in the same spot and seeming to take a lot longer then most of the other peoples posts I decided to switch to Valley of Wisdom and caught him.

-Valley of Honor-
Longjaw Mud Snapper: 784
Bristle Whisker Catfish: 278
Brilliant Smallfish: 223
17 Pound Catfish: 6
19 Pound Catfish: 3
Lesser Mana Potion: 2
Lesser Healing Potion: 2
Bloated Mud Snapper: 1
22 Pound Catfish: 1
And 2 green items and a BS plan.
TOTAL: 1303

-Valley of Wisdom-
Longjaw Mud Snapper: 253
Bristle Whisker Catfish: 94
Brilliant Smallfish: 72
Lesser Mana Potion: 1
Lesser Healing Potion:1
17 Pound Catfish: 1
19 Pound Catfish: 1
OLD CRAFTY: 1!
TOTAL: 429

Good Luck I hated this personally and highly doubt I will ever do it on an alt again...but still only took me a day to do. Was just obviously focused on fishing and wasting my day.
Hope it helps in some way. =)

Kommentar von Dsc666

I have many a good memory of this fish. When I first started playing WoW a couple years ago I had a mild obsession with achievements. One day I was looking through and saw Der angelnde Diplomat and thought to myself "Piece of cake!" After that I took my level 30something Alliance toon and spent a couple hours corpse running to the fishing spot in Orgrimmar and got the achievement. I was happy with myself but while I was corpse running I was looking at achievements and saw the one for Old Crafty so I thought to myself "Hell, I've gone through this much trouble, I may as well stay until I get him."

I spent a few hours fishing and dying in Orgrimmar trying to get the fish to no avail, but I kept at it, I was determined to get this fish. Throughout the day various Hordies would come fish with me, some would kill me, some would just hang out and watch me, I remember at one point a guy called over a bunch of his guildies to fish with me which was pretty cool. One of the more memorable moments I have was when a rogue sneaked up and one shot me, by the time I got back to my body one of the Hordies fishing with me was dueling the rogue that killed me and was absolutely stomping him in the nuts. At some point I found out that people were talking about me in Trade chat because somebody hopped onto an Ally toon to let me know, so various things like this happened more often for the next couple days.

On the third day I fished for a couple hours with the usual hordies hanging out or killing me, I had garnered quite the audience. Finally, after the many many many grueling hours of corpse running, I caught him! I /y well knowing that nobody would understand me but I was still ecstatic. I started dancing with joy and all of the Hordies hanging out with me started dancing as well, I wish I had gotten a screenshot of it to this day. I bowed and started to Hearth, finally achieving my goal, when suddenly I was one shot by another Hordie. Honestly, I thought it was a fitting way to end. My gear was long red from the many deaths to the guards on the way in, so I just took a Rez Sickness and hung out in Stormwind for a while, announcing my achievement in Trade chat with joy.

Kommentar von 442682

I just went to Valley of Honor and set myself up under the waterfall for an early morning of casting with no horde about and would you believe it I got him first cast.

Back to bed now making sure I am up tomorrow to put my lottery numbers on :-)

Kommentar von Woodymakespizza

Took me 1115 casts in the Valley of Wisdom! Finally got him!

Longjaw Mud Snapper 680 - 61.0%
Bristle Whisker Catfish 238 - 21.3%
Brilliant Smallfish 185 - 16.6%
17 Pound Catfish 6 - 0.5%
Lesser Healing Potion 2 - 0.2%
Bloated Mud Snapper 1 - 0.1%
Raider's Boots of Stamina 1 - 0.1%
19 Pound Catfish 1 - 0.1%
Old Crafty 1 - 0.1%

I fished for several hours at a time, over three days before I completed this

Kommentar von kprouty

I got this achievement yesterday on my Alliance mage. I flew very high over Orgrimmar, and positioned myself at coordinates 34, 77. This is over the Goblin Slums area. It's a great spot for Alliance players, as there are no patrols nearby and it's not a very busy area. There is an outcropping of the cliff wall that is perfect for concealing you while you fish. So once I was positioned over the spot, I dismounted and hit Slow Fall when I got close to the ground (I'm a mage). But for non-mage players, you can just very quickly fly down to the ground. There are some air patrols, so just watch out for them. Once I was on the ground, I popped an Elixir of Camouflage and backed into the corner under the outcropping, sat down and started fishing. I was not bothered once, and only saw a handful of horde players the entire time I was there. No one came close to where I was fishing. It took me about an hour and a half to catch Old Crafty. I caught approx 200 fish before catching Crafty. I was already lvl 525 fishing, using Jeweled Fishing Pole and Weather-Beaten fishing hat as lure.

Good luck to all who are going for this achievement. Don't give up, and happy fishing!

Kommentar von 926898

Trying my luck in Valley of Honor, Orgrimmar. 400+ casts and still no dice. Enough for one day.

Shout out to Rivervee; thanks for the free hall pass.

Kommentar von 931512

Spent about an hour and a half fishing, saw one horde who just stared at me for a minute before flying off, and was otherwise undisturbed.

315 Casts Total

178 Longjaw Mud Snappers
86 Bristle Whisker Catfish
49 Brilliant Smallfish
1 22 Pound Catfish
1 Old Crafty

Kommentar von xengulai

I've been trying to get this achievement on my main for over 6 months now off and on. I easily have over 1,000 casts on my main. While I was doing dailies on all of my toons today, I got this achievement on 2 separate toons within 45 minutes of each other. Both toons were on the Müll abladen verboten fishing daily. I was standing right on the bank in-between the Goblin AH and the red and white umbrella. The first toon got it after 5 casts and the 2nd toon got it after 8.

Too bad neither of the toons that got the achievement were my main. :(

Kommentar von 942488

This is my first post. So I myself, find myself often looking for achievements that I can do. Lately I thought well, might aswell you know go fishing a bit. So I got a nice fishing hat, plain rod. But my hat gives me +75 fishing. I got it from doing a daily. My fishing at the time was 301+75. So I saw this Old Crafty, looked it up. Saw some peoples stats and wow. I was looking for a long damn day ahead of me. So I went to Valley of Wisdom (45, 47) casted straight out. Third catch I got one. What are the odds of this? I submitted a screen shot.. Maybe they will accept it, until then. I am one happy Orc :)

Kommentar von 859168

I manage to catch him in the lake by the valley of honour. I was casting toward the waterfall.

Took me 22 casts (Lucky i guess)

4 Raw Bristle whisker Catfish
12 Raw Longjaw Mud Snappers
5 Raw Brilliant Smallfish
1 Old Crafty

I was using the Bone Fishing Pole with a fishing skill of 382 with no lures.

Kommentar von jsargent6427

Total & complete luck that I just got Old Crafty. 1:40am on Nazgrel. Was about to log off for the night when decided try my luck. Fished in the Valley of Honor between the mining trainer & the forge. Fishing @ 525 using the Mastercraft Kalu'ak Fishing Pole, Aquadynamic Fish Attractor & the Weather-Beaten Fishing Hat bringing fishing to 525+138. I had one missed cast then got him on the 3rd try. Keep your fingers crossed and if you are 'feeling lucky' follow it and good luck!

Kommentar von 517802

Finally got Old Crafty today after appriximately 3 hours...

here is the breakdown of catches until the ole Dude ended up in my bag:

Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper - 393
Raw Brilliant Smallfish - 108
Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish - 124
19 Pound Catfish - 1
17 Pound Catfish - 2
Lesser Healing Potion - 1
Old Crafty -1

On to Ironforge next to find Old Ironjaw

Kommentar von Zaridel

Alliance fisher, It was my 217th cast. Used my Kalu'ak pole, glow worm and fishing hat with 525 fishing skill.

Kommentar von Caranten

Got it after 90 catched, just before 100 fished achievments.
Kinda lucky i think.

Kommentar von 999033

I think i got pretty lucky with that:
started at 4:03 am in orgrimmar with my gnome warrior
my begining skill was 304 fishing, after aprox 60-70 times i got lucky and fish up Old Crafty :))
at end my fishing skill was 317, doing it in valley of honor

Kommentar von alterecho

Best spot to fish I found was near the stable master in Valley of honor.

Kommentar von Lyva

Got it on my first cast while doing the no dumping allowed fishing daily.
Fished near the hunter trainer, just like many people advised here.
screenshot
http://imgur.com/4zc6F

Kommentar von Lime420

Here are the stats on my 3 days of fishing for Old Crafty.

Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper -- 1468
Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish -- 537
Raw Brilliant Smallfish --------- 435
17 Pound Catfish ---------------- 7
19 Pound Catfish----------------- 4
Lesser Healing Potion---------- 8
Lesser Mana Potion ------------- 4
Blotted Mud Snapper------------ 1
Old Crafty --------------------------- 1
total --------------2465 with a drop rate of 0.04% and yes that is a LOT lower then the so called 0.1% it is suppose to be. An ok spot to fish for old crafty was in the valley of honor under the waterfall. when you get there /sleep and that should help a little with hiding, but you are still going to get camped when you are found so be ready to log out for a little while and come back latter. Also be smart on the times you pick to fish in Orgrimmar if you are an Alliance.

Kommentar von 145014

Got sick of trying to catch the damn turtle so thought I'd go waste some time trying to catch the Giant Sewer Rat in Dalaran instead, 6 casts later, Giant Sewer Rat pet yay! Back to the turtle, 3 weeks later still no turtle *yawn* let's go get killed in Org trying to catch Old Crafty, 46 casts later... Got em! Yay! Now, back to that damn turtle!

If you are Alliance and want to try getting Old Crafty, head to the Valley of Spirits, (co-ords 32,72), /sleep just behind the long grass, keep an eye open and good luck!

Kommentar von kayakira1

did catch Old Crafty in 387 casts
coords 25/69

fished for 2 hours and saw no horde

Kommentar von jprich

I sat just inside the west gate in the corner ( 25,70 ) and caught him on the second day of trying a little over 200 casts. Did at least 800 the first day.

Got killed by one horde. He left after he got make love not warcraft. No camping.

Kommentar von 507760

Longjaw Mud Snapper -- 313
Bristle Whisker Catfish -- 119
Brilliant Smallfish -- 87
Lesser Mana Potion -- 1
17 Pound Catfish -- 1
Old Crafty -- 1
Bloated Mud Snapper -- 1

Total -- 523

Kommentar von Gloriosa

You are all going to hate me right now I think

I just got this achievement at a 48 fishing skill in Ogrimmar right before I got my 50 fish achievement.
I was just doing my fishing daily!

Kommentar von 627848

I don't actually hate all of you that got Old Crafty n in less than 2k casts (much), but I am jealous of the time you saved. I went between Valley of Honor and Valley of Spirits over about 5 days on and off. Also I'm alliance on a pvp server.

Valley of Honor / Valley of Spirits:
Mud Snapper: 830 / 1063
Whisker Catfish: 293 / 369
Brilliant Smallfish: 242 / 281
17 Pound Catfish: 8 / 9
19 Pound Catfish: 2 / 4
22 Pound Catfish: 1 / 0
Lesser Healing Potion: 1 / 0
Lesser Mana Potion 0 / 1
The 1 Ring: 1 / 0
Dwarven Hatchet of Strength: 0 / 1 (gonna keep this forever!)
Old Crafty: 0 / 1

Total Casts: 1388 / 1730

A total of 3118 casts. I got killed numerous times at the VoH, but Spirits worked out great for me. Only saw 2 horde in 1700 casts, and the level 12 hunter that spotted me decided to pull all the guards at the gates to me which wasn't too nice.

I went through so many stages of emotional turmoil fishing for this. Nervousness, boredom, anger, hate, rage, and finally a nice thrill at the end. I was convinced for awhile you couldn't catch it at 29, 70 right next to the western gate, south side. But that's where I caught it so keep the faith if you want this baby as alliance.

Kommentar von 1015976

After trying about 400 casts in org, I read people's comments that the Krokilisken in der Stadt daily quest doesn't improve the drop rate anymore, but I decided to give it a shot anyway.

So I took the quest, disabled auto-loot (that way I don't fish the quest item) and tried about 30-50 casts with no luck.

But yesterday, I wanted to do the quest simply to get my last missing crocolisk companion, so I went to org at 45, 47 and after my 2nd cast, I got the achievement along with the quest item. I was stunned :O!

My addon reported 50% drop rate, which is pure luck of course. But I'm not sure at this point if the fishing daily quest still improves the DR.

Btw, after handing in the daily quest, I got my last missing companion Schnapps Eimer as well :) - I guess it was my lucky day.

Good luck guys!

Kommentar von neelzfinch

Thankfully, being Alliance, I obtained this achievement much easier than its Ironforge counterpart. You just need some luck at times, that's all. And of course you should fish in a secluded area. I got ganked by a Hunter once, obviously thanks to his track humanoid ability. I fished from 1.30 AM on. The Horde shouldn't bug you too much then.

Kommentar von 514224

for alliance that only want for achievement.
just relog to a horde chara and fish it in orgrimmar.
so you dont get kill by guard or players + you get on all chara the achievement:)

Kommentar von PanzerII

Took me:
Time: alittle over 4 hours
Casts: ~850 fish
Location: Valley of Strength under second water fall

notes:
*caught without a lure
I was originally fishing in Valley of Wisdom but after an hour I moved to fishing trainer and then back to same spot for 2 hours. I moved to VofS for few casts but then returend to VofW on the bridge. I then moved to the VofS and fished there for the remainder ~20min.

Funny thing is I was ready to give up and I prayed that God would give me this fish in the next 10 minutes and at the very end of the tenth minute I got it. :) <><

Kommentar von 921880

Not sure if Blizz has changed the drop rate when Pandaria went live but I was just doing the daily "No Dumping Allowed" and fished up Old Crafty... Twice. 9 tries between each catch. I still think it's a pretty low rate and I was just lucky, but maybe folks will have better luck now.

Kommentar von 26079

If you create a horde char to get this, note that you need to be level 5 and have ~1 silver to train fishing. You can get it from fishing right next to the trainer in Org (I just did).

Kommentar von Longgshot

This is one of my favorite achievements in the game. I just find it very fun and satisfying to get both fish, especially the opposite factions. I hope they never change this one.

Kommentar von Xilph

FINALLY caught my Old Crafty. My brother has been touting this, since he's had 2 Old Crafty's in less than 200 casts, one of which was during his very first fishing daily. Used the Fishing Buddy addon, so I have accurate statistics to report.

Total Time: 8:45
Total casts: 1465
Longjaw Mud Snapper: 839(59.3%)
Bristle Whisker Catfish: 325(23.0%)
Brilliant Smallfish: 240(16.9%)
Lesser Mana Potion: 4(.3%)
17 Pound Catfish: 3(.2%)
Lesser Healing Potion: 2(.1%)
19 Pound Catfish: 1(.1%)
Bloated Mud Snapper: 1(.1%)
Old Crafty: 1(.1%)
Failed attempt: 49

I started at level 1 fishing, hence the failed attempts. Ended at 520 fishing.

Kommentar von SirPent666

This will prob get lost in the many comments this thread has but as of 5.4.. a lovely item Scuttler's Shell is a huge help against guards! Many spots i would get ganked by NPCs i am no longer aggro'n the guards! xD Hope this lil gem helps!

Edit: I'm so sad as of WoD the Scuttler's Shell says only usable in pandaria now.. my 1st commit to go green and its no longer viable info =( Thanks for all the up votes hoped it helped a few on the achievement during MoP.

Kommentar von 1219224

now I have got the cheeky git, WHAT DO I DO WITH IT? vender it away?

Kommentar von Guerrero428

Finally caught this fish at 06:05 EU server time (CET).
2057 casts total, from about 60 fishing (first try) to 600 (today).

Full stats:
(2057 catches total)
Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper: 1221
Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish: 472
Raw Brilliant Smallfish: 341
17 Pound Catfish: 8
Lesser Mana Potion: 6
Lesser Healing Potion: 2
19 Pound Catfish: 2
Baby Crocolisk: 1 (trying out the Crocolisk in the City daily "trick", was unsuccessful)
22 Pound Catfish: 1
The 1 Ring: 1
Infantry Boots: 1
OLD CRAFTY: 1

Good luck to anyone else hunting for this rare and crafty fish, and I hope the Horde on your server are as friendly as mine.

Kommentar von 34142

Over 15.000 fish and STILL NO CRAFTY!
I give up now, this fish has defeated me and so i must leave in disgrace

Kommentar von Britalje

Fishing in Ogrimmar after Old Crafty.

Ended up with:
- Raising my fishing skill with 37 points, from 359 to 396.
- 66 x Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper
- 30 x Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish
- 22 x Raw Brilliant Smallfish
- 01 x Lesser Healing Potion
- 01 x 17 Pound Catfish
And of cause. . .
- 01 x Old Crafty

Kommentar von PeterDoe

Got it !
data from fishing buddy:
In VoH
Total cast - 1697

Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper - 1006
Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish - 353
Raw Brilliant Smallfish - 284
17 Pound Catfish - 7
19 Pound Catfish - 3
Lesser Healing Potion - 3
Lesser Mana Potion - 3
22 Pound Catfish - 1
Old Crafty - 1 (0.0589%)

fail attempt - 36
NOTE that u need 75 fish skill points to fishing without get gabarges~

Kommentar von RileeTM

Just got it today. Took about 30 cast.
I used 1 Helle Schmuckstücke and 1 Aquadynamischer Fischanlocker while I was using my Nat Pagles Extremangler FC-5000 fishing pole.
I wasn't having any luck with that, so I clicked it off and put my weapon and shield back on and within 2 casts, I had the achievement! Got it around 3:30 A.M. EST on Spirestone. Good luck!

Kommentar von 843578

As Alliance
1210 casts, few deaths and still nothing

Kommentar von Sarthorius

As others may have already said, if you want the achievement for either faction part (this one on Horde town), just use your faction toon. Simple. As of 6.0 you can farm for those hats and poles in draenor that give you the 100+ skill and give it a try. Other than that you may be really lucky to get it with lower skill and etc, while others are going with 700+300 skill and get it with more casts. Just that tip for those who doesn't want headaches with guards/players ganking you (hence frustrating you even more).

Kommentar von Duxa

Decided to get this guy after playing for 10+ years... took about 1500 casts (over the course of 2 weeks or so), finally got him while standing on boxes on the dock by Pandaria portal. I just used no fishing pole, so I had skill 700.

Kommentar von 1435849

It took me 14 days of fishing. I raised my fishing skill from 1 to 700 going for Old Crafty.
Caught 4122 fish before I finally snag him.
Caught Old Crafty while standing next to Lumak the Fishing Trainer in Orgrimmar.

Kommentar von Knjaz

1050 fishing, 378th cast. All cast next to Lumak.

Kommentar von Aindrid

Okay, so i am compared to most still rather new to the game, and i like getting achievements. I was just going to relax a bit and start fishing seeing i never done that before, I got a quest from this guy in orgrimmar that tells you to get 6 toxic fish from a little pool. So i start fishing, and suddenly i get this fishy called old crafty. I get an achievement, so i look it up, and here i see that people have a hard time fetching this fish, while i had this fish within 5 minutes into starting fishing for the first time ever! Kind of epic that i got this within 40 tries, without even knowing about it. Cool!

Kommentar von Pathatlon

So this is crazy!

I'm in LFR and I decide to fish for Alter Fuchs. As I get to Valley of Honor I see the daily fishing quest, which I haven't done, and I decide to skip Alter Fuchs and do the fishing quest.

The fishing quest is in the goblin slums and first fish caught is Alter Fuchs!

Kommentar von zekraf

Im on a roll,

Just got Mr Pinchy on my 4th cast, and after 20mins just got Old Crafty

Kommentar von Nightpawz

Updated fishing info for Old Crafty in Ogrimmar to WoD time frame.

If you are Alliance going to Ogrimmar for the first time, to fish for Alter Fuchs for the achievement Alter Fuchs, you will also get the Ogrimmar part of Der angelnde Diplomat.

Here's a video of the best Old Crafty fishing spot spot I've found is behind the waterfall in the Valley of Honor (62, 39) in Ogrimmar. It isn't patrolled by guards and your player nameplate isn't visible to Horde players.

Handy things to remember before you go!

Use an Elixier der Tarnung to prevent Horde Hunters and Feral Druids from seeing you on their mini-map.
Turn on Auto-loot to reduce delays between looting and casts.
Carry an Invisibility Potion like Unsichtbarkeitstrank or Draenischer Unsichtbarkeitstrank (if your character can't stealth or go invisible) to get past any players on your way to the fishing location. BEWARE this only hides you from players NOT guards. Also dont use it too early as it has a 10 min cooldown and only lasts 18 secs, so time it for when it really matters. Combine with a sprint ability or Hurtigkeitstrank to cover maximum distance.

Optional extra

You might want to also first visit Der alte Barlo at the lake north-east of Shattrath (38.6, 12.8) and get the daily fishing quest Krokilisken in der Stadt, you can complete this achievement while fishing in Ogrimar OR in Stormwind and it counts towards Fische für den alten Barlo. But it just makes the saga of fishing in Ogrimmar feel a bit more worthwhile because you definitely complete this quest.

Updated myth busting as at Aug 2015 for this :

Fishing skill doesn't matter when fishing for Old Crafty but you will fish up garbage until you hit Fishing skill 75
If you have auto-loot on, you WILL get the achievement for Old crafty when you fish him up
The Krokilisken in der Stadt no longer gives you the instant Old Crafty catch - Blizz patched this ages ago
You used to be able to fish up Old Crafty while doing Das Schicksal wendet sich gegen Euch but this quest is now obsolete

400+ fish and 4 visits - never attacked once at the spot mentioned above.

Good luck!

Kommentar von EchoOff

Fished it up yesterday and did NOT get the "do you want to loot this item" prompt. It just immediately went into my inventory and gave me the achievement. I know for a fact that Old Ironjaw used to give that prompt, so I assume this is something that Blizzard got around to patching!

Kommentar von chaifox

60 12 pound catfish
78 raw brilliant smallfish
232 raw longjaw mud snapper
79 raw bristle whisker catfish
1 bloated mud snapper

Will continue another day....

Kommentar von Winfree

Just go to say how this can be purely RNG dependent.
Total: 58
28 Raw Longjaw Mud Snappers
21 Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish
8 Raw Brilliant Smallfish
1 Old Ironjaw

Total: 1375
825 Raw Longjaw Mud Snappers
319 Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish
222 Raw Brilliant Smallfish
2 Lesser Healing Potion
1 Lesser Mana Potion
5 17 Pound Catfish
1 Old Crafty

My total fishing skills was 1145

I tried in various spots from Goblin Slums to Valley of Honor til at last it was Valley of Wisdom that I finally reeled in this bad boy. Now off to catch his twin brother Old Ironjaw..which was caught on the same day after 58 cast woot!

Kommentar von jweegens

Caught 1296 fish before I got him.

Kommentar von zadahbby

I fished about 502 cast in Valley of Honor by the fishing trainer and I really wasn't having any luck so I decided to switch it up and try out Valley of Wisdom and Old Crafty popped up on my 28th cast! I'm so happy to have this achievement marked off my list.

Kommentar von Mellace

Fly high into Orgrimmar to avoid all the baddies. Fly over to the Valley of Honor to spot 57.12, 34.98 or just over the edge of a waterfall underneath you. When all flying guards are past, zoom down to the spot between the main waterfall and a large rock, there is just enough space to fit. As an Arcane gnome I had to use a raft because I was so short and there was just enough room. I was never bothered by anyone. It took me 855 tries because the RNG hates me. It only took me 30 to get the Ironforge fish. Had a nice chat with another alliance person in the same spot and they had been there for 2 days. I even parked there overnight with no problems. Give it a try and good luck!

Kommentar von Ahielia

I'll share my findings here, just caught this on 21/10-16.

Flying through Kalimdor on my new main when I thought I'd go to Orgrimmar for the diplomat fishing achievement, thinking I'd fish for a bit to see if I could catch Old Crafty at the same time.
Spent a few hours, but I got it!

Not sure if I was incredibly lucky, or the droprate has been buffed, but this was my total catch when I got him:
95x Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish
273x Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper
82x Raw Brilliant Smallfish
3x misc

Kommentar von MrWaffleFries

I am quite upset that this off-hand weapon is not transmogable...
This little thing took

202 -
459 -
155 -
4 -
2 -

Underlight Angler Legendary Fishing rod. Over 11+ hours,
Fishing at 800 + 60 from legendary Fishing Rod.

Never once got touched by the horde, Not coming in or out.

Kommentar von Zidane3838

Roher langzahniger Matschschnapper: 307
Roher Stoppelfühlerwels: 111
Roher glänzender Kleinfisch: 93
Geringer Manatrank: 3
19-pfündiger Wels: 2
17-pfündiger Wels: 1
Alter Fuchs: 1

TOTAL: 517

Way better than my current 3670 casts for Alter Eisenkiefer... And I still haven't caught him.

Kommentar von Smelus

Jumped on my horde toon and flew to Orgrimmar. Went to the spot that Alliance likes to fish and cast my line at 2:59am and after a whopping 17 casts, had the achievement. By 3:05am was at Darkmoon Faire.

Kommentar von adamanttg

Finally caught after 2451 casts.

1467x Roher langzahniger Matschschnapper
534x Roher Stoppelfühlerwels
431x Roher glänzender Kleinfisch
7x 17-pfündiger Wels
2x 19-pfündiger Wels
1x 22-pfündiger Wels
5x Geringer Manatrank
2x Geringer Heiltrank
1x Aufgedunsener Matschschnapper
1 x Alter Fuchs

Spent the vast majority of my time fishing near the bridge in the valley of wisdom.
A little after 2000 I moved to Valley of Honor and fished off the pier instead. Probably just a coincidence, but interesting.

Kommentar von Albtraum

If anyone interesed, Alter Fuchs can be fished up by veteran twinks (i.e. on Battle.net account that doesn't have active World of Warcraft subscription). I did it on 20 lvl dwarf.
Took me about two days (I guess I was lucky with this; for an example, Alter Eisenkiefer took three evenings and almost 2000 casts).
Total catches (for ~400 casts):
×241 Roher langzahniger Matschschnapper
×76 Roher Stoppelfühlerwels
×63 Roher glänzender Kleinfisch
×2 17-pfündiger Wels
×1 19-pfündiger Wels
×2 Geringer Manatrank
×1 Geringer Heiltrank
×1 Alter Fuchs

Fished in the pond under the waterfall in the Valley of Wisdom, behind of big totem. Upsides of this place:
• relatively easy access for Alliance: with proper timing, you can jump from departing Grom'Gol zeppelin rear balcony and just glide down there using Goblingleiterbausatz. If you're lucky enough, city guards doesn't even notice you (I've stumbled upon one flying guard and he one-shot me, but I've fell to the pond anyway);
• far from all guards routes;
• really low traffic in this area, especially on the days when Orgrimmar fishing daily quest send players out of the town;
• if you stand behind the totem, you will have access to water and, at the same time, you'll be barely visible for other players.
Downsides:
• waterfall noise;
• bobbler sometimes can't be seen due to waterplants. In this case just turn your camera around and put cursor over the bobbler (cursor will be changed to hook).

I was killed by Horde players only twice (second time right after catching Alter Fuchs). And few more noticed me, but did no harm.

Kommentar von Ohdear

1045 mud snappers
425 bristlewhisker cat fish
311 brilliant small fish
7 19lb catfish
7 17lb catfish
4 heal pots
2 mana pots
1 old crafty

did about 400 casts on my other char too, not cool blizz, not cool.

Kommentar von Sunjiang

Keep at it and you will get it eventually. Took me total of ~3500 casts (you do about 200 casts per hour so 17,5 hours). Meanwhile I watched Netflix series from my second monitor, browsed the web and spoke on the phone - things I would have done anyway, so I don't feel like I wasted any time. I turned off the dialog, music and ambience sounds and set the Sound volume to the max to hear the bobber splash more clearly.

Kommentar von Janaq

Some tips for Alliance players going for Old Crafty achievement in Orgrimmar:

I came flying from the North - the closest FP to Org is Forest Song in Ashenvale so start there if needed. In Azshara I got to a point between Talrendis Point and the Org Gates on the map and slowly started heading in to avoid the patrols. At max level (110 in Legion) I didn't pull any agro - but then I was careful and took my time.

Eventually I settled on a nice spot just west of the waterfall in The Valley of Wisdom - around 44.2, 43.4 or just under the F in the name on the map. You get a bit of protection from the tree and are pretty much out of the way of patrols etc. I flew in from directly north of that point, there are some patrols up on the terrace but if you watch them for a bit it's easy to find a moment to fly down.

Took me a few days of fishing off and on - around 1900 fish in all according to Fishing Buddy.

During that time I had several visits from Horde players who mostly wanted to /wave and even do a bit of fishing with me for a while. Only had one death and that was brought about by another Alliance player who decided to "help" and killed off a low level Horde who was bugging us - and of course brought in dozens of high level Horde. Idiot. Corpse run from Razor Hill takes about 5 mins.

As a Hunter I kept my pets dismissed - didn't want to seem aggressive. For the most part I fished from my Nates Chair and had some fishing gear on including the legendary pole - so people could see I was genuinely fishing for the achievement and not being a @#$%.

Awesome achievement to get. Good luck with yours.

Kommentar von Nakko

I think they "recently" made it easier to obtain cause a friend of mine got it in 68 tries and I just got it as my 89th.

Kommentar von mjmill4

I've submitted a screenshot, but after literally thousands of casts on my main for this fish, I hopped on a Highmountain Tauren alt to level base fishing in preparation for the STV Fishing Tourney. On my 8th cast, raising my Fishing skill to a whopping "9", I not only fished up Alter Fuchs, the racial passive Nichts verkommen lassen, kicked in and gave me an additional Alter Fuchs. The log shows both "You receive loot:" for the fished up version and "You receive item:" for the racial bonus.

Of possible note - earlier in the day I had 300+ casts on my main with no luck. My alt had no Fishing skill/gear, so I hopped over to Shattrath to get the quest for Seths Grafitangelrute to improve my fishing for the derby. While at the lake I picked up the BC fishing daily, which happened to be Krokilisken in der Stadt. I know that it was patched eons ago so that you didn't get the quest item on the first cast, but I can't help but think having the quest still improved my odds of getting Alter Fuchs. It actually took 7 more casts to get the quest item.

Kommentar von Embrae

I've just done this achievement second time. My first one was during a daily mission so it took couple of casts but this time it took 1188 casts!

I fished in Valley of Honor. On top of the crates near Lumak. No pole no lure, only Oversized bobber 9 times.

These are what i caught

697 x Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper
248 x Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish
227 x Raw Brilliant Smallfish
4 x 19 Pound Catfish
4 x 17 Pound Catfish
4 x Lesser Mana Potion
2 x Lesser Healing Potion
1 x Pattern: White Leather Jerkin
1 x Old Crafty

Put a good music and enjoy fishing, Cheers,,

Kommentar von Grancran

Found this crafty fella after 131 casts today...

83 Roher langzahniger Matschschnapper
31 Roher Stoppelfühlerwels
20 Roher glänzender Kleinfisch
1 19-pfündiger Wels
1 17-pfündiger Wels
1 Alter Fuchs

Kommentar von anjin1975

Got this achievement today after 405 casts...

Kommentar von mRshykid

I don't want people to hate me however I got this after 2 casts. I was just fishing for Krokilisken in der Stadt. Guess rng blessed me this time

Kommentar von bumshak

Got the achievement today after 35 minutes of fishing at x:47 y:47 with 315 skill.
Took me 150 casts.

Kommentar von Vazterial

I've noticed there haven't been any updates on this rare catch for a while. on 31/12/19 i decided to try and catch Old Crafty. After about 400 catches i had to go since it was new years eve and all that. The day after 1/1/20 i had a few hours to spare before family visits and decided to sit back and fish a bit more. After about 50 catches Old Craft was mine.

So i can now confirm as of 8.2.5 this one still drops. On to Ironforge for me!

Kommentar von davemanvell

Caught on 203rd cast.

Kommentar von feryadi

I got this with a starter edition in the valley of visdom. It took 769 casts starting from fishing 0.

Kommentar von Kisses

Ok so it was 1051 tries for me as of 8.3.7 2020. Solid maybe four-to-five-hours of fishing. I was fishing close to the fishing trainer in Orgrimmar. And I had Underlight Angler too.
What I did so I would not go insane is that I turned my game sound really loud (with my mouse on the fishing bobber) and I watched some videos on the side. When I heard a loud splash, I just clicked in game!
Good luck everyone!

Mud Snapper: 623 59%
Whisker Catfish: 228 21%
Brilliant Smallfish: 186 17%
17 Pound Catfish: 2 0%
19 Pound Catfish: 2 0%
22 Pound Catfish: 1 0%
Lesser Healing Potion: 4 0%
Lesser Mana Potion: 3 0%
Willow Pants of the Aurora (green item) 1 0%
Old Crafty: 1! 0%

Kommentar von AghaHuseyn

After 1.5 hours of fishing in Orgrimmar as an Alliance player, caught it at Valley of Honor /way 61.5, 39.5 right inside the waterfall with my Nats Hut, Tiefenlichtangler, using Fischerboottotem and Geschärfter Tuskarrspeer.

I caught all this below, before I catched up the Alter Fuchs:
244 x Roher langzahniger Matschschnapper
76 x Roher Stoppelfühlerwels
67 x Roher glänzender Kleinfisch
1 x 17-pfündiger Wels
1 x 19-pfündiger Wels
1 x Pionierbeinkleider
2 x Geringer Heiltrank
And Finally 1 x Alter Fuchs.

Good thing there was one Alliance warrior as me and few Hordies with Elixier der Sprachen speaking with each other, so the time went fast and interesting :)

Good luck to all who is trying to get Alter Fuchs!

Kommentar von biscitz

As a Horde player i thought this would be easier than when i went to get Ironjaw. But Ironjaw took me 300 casts. THIS has taken me around 5000... ( i wish i was exagerating but i have fishing buddy documenting my tourment)
I fished everywhere in Ogrimmar, pretty equally, but my catch was next to the waterfall: /way 61.5, 39.5 where i saw Alliance often trying.
keep trying if you dont have it yet, and gratz if you have !

Kommentar von Bloodgetter

My epic struggle over 2 days of intense fishing for old crafty.

1195 x Raw longjaw mud snapper
405 x Raw bristle whisker catfish
328 xRaw brilliant smallfish
4 x 17-pound catfish
2 x 19-pound catfish
5x lesser health potion
4 x lesser mana potion
1 x cadet cloak
1 x bloated longjaw mud snapper

and finally on my 1946th cast

1 x Old crafty

Kommentar von Naflie

Received after 149 tries for Old Crafty and 35 tries for Old Ironjaw, guess I am lucky. Fished at the docks next to the fishing trainer using Underlight Angler.
Happy fishing!

Kommentar von McHam

Valley Of Wisdon (506 total) - Underlight Angler & Nat's Drinking Hat + lure
Longjaw Mud Snapper: 315
Bristle Whisker Catfish: 111
Brilliant Smallfish: 76
17 Pound Catfish: 2
Lesser Healing Potion: 1
19 Pound Catfish: 1

Valley of Honor (19 total) - Nat's Lucky Fishing Pole (hmm) & Nat's Drinking Hat + lure
Longjaw Mud Snapper: 14
Bristle Whisker Catfish: 3
Brilliant Smallfish: 1
Old Crafty: 1

Cant say for sure how many times I have attempted this over the years. But in todays sitting these were my results. I added fishing equipment in just for silly superstition.

Kommentar von Cappers

Caught Saturday January 30th 2021
Valley of Honor, 61.8, 38.5 rock next to waterfall
474 casts
71 - Raw Brilliant Smallfish
123 - Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish
200 - Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper
1 - 17 Pound Catfish
1 - Lesser Mana Potion
1 - The 1 Ring (not as good as the 2 Ring)
76 - Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper
1 - Old Crafty

Used 10 Aquadynamic Fish Attractors

I left game for breaks and came back several times. My Horde Character and Alliance Character both got the achievement credit at the same time. So you do not have to do any sneaking into Orgrimmar to get this achievement.

Kommentar von Kyoshiro86

For anyone still fishing for Old Crafty ...

BE AWARE! It still has a pop-up window "Do you want to loot this item?"

... If you're using f.ex. Fishing Buddy with double-click fishing, and recast without thinking or noticing the pop-up... you will NOT get the achievement.

RIP 350 casts.

#Sadpanda.

Kommentar von Bokadi87

Hi guys, took me 2664 attempts to fish him out, got some greens in the process, some pots, lots of fish and an engineering recipe. Good luck and don't give up!

Kommentar von Bigdog01g

Talk about character building! After several hours of fishing I got the little fella behind the waterfall in The Valley of Honor :)

Total 915 delightful casts

545 - Raw Longjaw Mud Snappers
197 - Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish
162 - Raw Brilliant Smallfish
1 - Lesser Healing Potion
2 - Lesser Mana Potion
4 - 17 Pound Catfish
2 - 19 Pound Catfish
2 - 22 Pound Catfish
1 - Old Crafty

Good luck everyone!

Kommentar von sanchez332

Caught today after 634 attempts. Valley of Honor.

Kommentar von Tante1

Got it today!
It took 932 throws
I fished it up at the bottom of the waterfall in The Valley of Honor.

Kommentar von GILADIDI

This is cruel. As of this post, 1.6.2022, here are my details to get this crafty bstrd.
Fished primarily in the Valley of Honor at /way 63, 40, multiple hours including queuing for BGs and coming back, over multiple days. Here are the stats for VOH

788 Casts:
Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper -468
Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish -167
Raw Brilliant Smallfish -146
Lesser Healing Potion -2
Pioneer Boots -1
19 lb catfish -1
Old Crafty -1
Bloated Mudsnapper -1
Lesser Mana potion -1

Kommentar von emiuuul

took me a whoppin 31casts from the bridge in valley of wisdom facing the waterfall, when i was lvling shadowlands fishing..

Kommentar von HansTeeuw

I finally got it today on my Worgen Druid after trying for several days straight. Took me 2608 casts total, caught it right as I was about to give up hope.

- 1560 Roher langzahniger Matschschnapper
- 580 Roher Stoppelfühlerwels
- 438 Roher glänzender Kleinfisch
- 12 17-pfündiger Wels
- 4 19-pfündiger Wels
- 8 Geringer Manatrank
- 4 Geringer Heiltrank
- 1 Soldier's Armor of the Aurora
- 1 Alter Fuchs

Kommentar von druxus

If you are horde and Plan on going for this make sure to bring something to occupy your time. I have read comments about people getting them on cast #200 but I was at cast #1208 when I finally got him. I fished in both Valley of Spirits and Valley of Honor. He was caught in Valley of Honor. Just giving some information.

Kommentar von Fargotroniac

Fish in Orgrimmar on location 63 | 43.

Fishing skill: 31

Roher langzahniger Matschschnapper - 163
Roher glänzender Kleinfisch - 35
Roher Stoppelfühlerwels - 57
17-pfündiger Wels - 2
Alter Fuchs - 1

Kommentar von SlyRebirth

For anybody doing this in 9.2.5 it looks like it's a guaranteed catch in just a few casts.
I got this in my second cast, and another one in my fourth cast... I cannot believe I'm *that* lucky.

Kommentar von Zamood

Got mine fairly quickly as an Ally. I was behind the big tree at The Valley of Wisdom in Orgrimma.
Total attempts: 59

27x Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper
21x Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish
9x Raw Brilliant Smallfish
1x Birchwood Maul of the Quickblade

1x Old Crafty!

Kommentar von EchoZA

Caught after 6 hours of fishing, under the waterfall.

Longjaw Mud Snapper 281 61.0%
Bristle Whisker Catfish 92 20.0%
Brilliant Smallfish 2 0.4%
Lesser Mana Potion 1 0.2%
19 Pound Catfish 1 0.2%
Lesser Healing Potion 1 0.2$
Old Crafty 1 0.2%

Another time sink out of the way :)

Good luck to all who are still going for this.

Kommentar von Kamonas

350 fishing attempts and I got it.

Kommentar von Solveth

Found after 1082 attempts, no fishing rod or fishing gear used. Don't give up, it'll drop! Good Luck!

Roher langzahniger Matschschnapper x658
Roher Stoppelfühlerwels x228
Roher glänzender Kleinfisch x185
Geringer Manatrank x1
Aufgedunsener Matschschnapper x1
17-pfündiger Wels x4
22-pfündiger Wels x1
Alter Fuchs x1

Kommentar von tatorface

Just adding that, while it took a while, he's still available to fish up in Org in 2023 in 10.0.2 / Dragonflight as an Alliance NELF.

Caught Old Crafty fishing in Orgrimmar within the Valley of Honor @ 56.37, 35.35. Tonight's stats are:

506 x Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper (63.648%)
148 x Raw Whisker Catfish (18.616%)
138 x Raw Brilliant Smallfish (17.358%)
1 x Lesser Healing Potion (0.126%)
1 x Simple Bands (wtf) (0.126%)
1 x Old Crafty (0.126%)

Edit to add fishing gear:
Weather-Beaten Fishing Hat
Underlight Angler

Put the lure from the hat on every once in a while, but had no actual buffs on when I finally caught him.

Kommentar von neiljwd

Playing In Dragonflight, I'd just like to report the end of a 13 year old battle; I finally caught this bastard.

I've had so much angst and tries at this a-hole, it ruined fishing in WoW permantly for me. My brother who quit WoW during WoD, still teases me a decade later just by mention the bastard's name.

But in patch 10, there's not much to worry about, Orgrimmar at night is dead, plenty of quiet places with no guards.
I shrunk the game window and just had a tiny slice visible while I watched Youtube.

I had auto loot ON,

He still went in to my bags by itself, no extra clicking, just click the bobber like any other cast. I even have "FasterLoot" addon on.

747 casts this expansion, but many thousands prior.

Rot in ^&*!ing Hell, Old Crafty.

Kommentar von PhoenixVerus

FINALLY got the little bugger in Valley of Honor.

1668x Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper
572x Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish
458x Raw Brilliant Smallfish
8x 17 Pound Catfish
4x 19 Pound Catfish
1x 22 Pound Catfish
3x Lesser Mana Potions
7x Lesser Healing Potion
1x Burnished Cloak
1x Veteran Armor
1x Spellbinder Bracers
1x Recipe: Potion of Curing

Until at last...

1x Old Crafty

So much homework and reading was done, my friends. So much.

Kommentar von Morddamek

After a good read on Old Crafty on wowhead comments i was ready for few thousand casts at least on him.
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5 casts later, *DING*...

Kommentar von Zartrack

Finally knocked this achievement out today (August 8th, 2023). The grind wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. All in, took me about four hours. During that time, I managed to hit my 500 & 1000 Fish caught achievements. I didn't use any special lures or anything to boost my fishing. I was already at 300 fishing when I started. Used basic fishing pole.

I fished it up in Valley of Honor. I did probably 80% of this fishing from the opposite side of the lake across from the daily quest giver. I finally moved across the lake onto the dock next to the fishing trainer. I stood on the boxes stacked at the end of the dock. 20 minutes later, I had it done. Not sure if that was because I moved, but certainly worth noting.

I fished up the following:

580 - Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper
212 - Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish
153 - Raw Brilliant Smallfish
4 - 17 Pound Catfish
1 - Lesser Mana Potion
4 - Lesser Healing Potion
1 - Journeyman's Stave (green quality)
1 - Bloated Mud Snapper (which contained 1 Shadow Gem)
And lastly, 1 - Old Crafty

Good luck finishing your achievement!

Kommentar von Cennaredan

Just to celebrate my happiness: caught this today with 493 casts!
Valey of Honour, behind waterfall: 62, 39

If you still need this achievement do not give up fisher!

Kommentar von JNewman79

As of today I'm still trying for this have have been for years but in the last week alone from beside the waterfall 4350 casts and still no luck ...Is there any tricks to get it cause based on what people are reporting it shoudln't take this many casts, even old ironjaw in ironforge only took about 1200 casts to get

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