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Kommentar von Niixten

The lower spears hitbox feels bigger so it's better to stay higher up and you just have to use button "two" twice to get through the two hardest ones, it took me 1h 30min..

Kommentar von Xhanon

Do the World Quest "Flight School: Flapping Frenzy."
After completing the world quest, talk to Instructor Malo again, he will now have the Paragon's Challenge option.

This made me abit confused. Happy Hunting

Edit: Made a small video of it, so you have an idea of when to use your abilities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff3cgANZ7yU

Kommentar von Taubes

This achievement became significantly easier with a solid reference frame. As such, I 'created an addon' https://imgur.com/CGxEDTL using my damage meter. Due to latency/input delay I made this damage meter reference box located lower, and to the right, of my character. Whenever the box touched the lower spears I jumped. Play around with the box, make it a line - whatever works. It seemed frustrating guessing where your hitbox is and apparently dying for no reason.

There is 2 tight pinch sections in the course where I think it is incredibly helpful to use your second action button "Soar" to get through easily. Let me try explain.
1) There is a drop near the start of the course, followed by a single-jump stair section. Use Soar at the top of the stair section where it flattens and pinches.
2) After this, there is a second, slightly larger drop, followed by a double-jump stair section. As before, at the top of this section use Soar, and then the course is basically over.

This is a fun achievement; however, the very first input of the course is rigged. If you spam Flap, then you double jump and instantly die. If don't instantly Flap, you die. I suggest watching when the first action button "Flap" lights up and immediately pressing it over watching the timer.

Kommentar von Cyrsztof

It's a real tilter - input lag, weird hitboxes, but the it's shorter than I thought. Good luck!

Kommentar von Sipder2

To get Fliegerass you need complete the World Quest Flugschule: Frenetisches Flattern located in Bastion.
After complete the World Quest speak with Ausbilder Malo again and select the dialog: "I'd like to try the Paragon's Challenge".
Now your mission is complete the quest again but on Hard Mode, the space between one spear and another is less.
After complete the Hard Mode you will receive the achievement.

/way 58,3, 10,6 WQ Instructor Malo

Tips to do this achievement with 150+ms (ping).
Pay attention in lower spears because lower spears have a not friendly hitbox, so try to stay near to higher up.
Use your Segeln on harder moments. I do it after 11x Flatterns and again after 13xFlatterns.
If you have problems about latency, try to do it when your realm have less players trying the WQ.

I do this achievement with 199ms and no players trying with me, and I spend around 15 minutes.

Video guide: https://youtu.be/tyoxBlDfPmk

Kommentar von Anshimeus

Have done it today, as previous commenters say it is a frustrating one. You not only fight with input lag but the spears are also really inconsistent when they hit your hitbox. The only advice I can give to people trying to get this achievement is:
- Stay away from all spears, don't try to be greedy with them
- You only need to use your second ability TWICE, first time halfway through, there you want to use it after falling close to the spear because it gives you a boost on height and it is enough to reach the top spears. (this can be done normally flying through but way harder in my opinion)
- The second time is the last part, which is the hardest part. I managed to do it by staying low and using the second ability in order to squeeze through.
IT IS SUPER INCONSISTENT! Don't get angry otherwise, you lose focus never forget that!

Kommentar von karachu

Using some kind of shrinking toy/item (Noggenfogger Elixir/Magic Pet Mirror/World Enlarger) makes this challenge much easier, still hard but the input lag doesn't punish you that much.

Kommentar von LordStruppy

Best WorldQuest achievment ever, Imput lag and #$%^ hitboxes makes this the worst achievment ever. thx blizzard! Wasted 4Hours for this &*!@.

Kommentar von AcidBurn348

I got only one advice - Use toys or consumables to reduce character size.
First i use Stolz von Gnomeregan , after Manasturms Verdoppler
When i done achievment i got combo = Noggenfoggers Elixier (skeleton+small size) + Pygmäenöl (vodoo gnom form)
GL everyone.

Kommentar von Mercale

My character could have legs 5 feet longer and I still wouldn't be hitting the invisible spear that's causing me to fail.

Kommentar von Clevos

This is not verified, but I might have the explanation why this achievement is such a pain.

For online games where player movement has to be seen by all players instantly, techniques like client-side-prediction were invented.
Let's say player A moves forward and player B sees that.
Suddenly player A has a disconnect, but player B sees player A still moving forward.
That is, because it is most certainly the case.
Any corrections can be applied, if it turns out to be wrong.

In this case, no special technique is used.
When you click the button, you do not move instantly.
Instead the click is sent to the server, which tells your client, to jump.
Naturally this introduces delay, depending on your connection.

Kommentar von Crayonz

For the love of all that is holy, please add a RETRY button!

Kommentar von ZartMorder

I disagree with anyone saying shrinking your character helps. I did this as a tauren and my head could go partly into the upper spikes no problem while I would still hit the bottom spikes without my feet actually touching. I used the Magic Pet Mirror and I was hitting the top spikes without being *anywhere* close to them. I don't think anything can change your actual hitbox for this.

As mentioned in other comments, there are two long narrow sections where you'll want to use your 2 key. The second one is the end. The course is actually pretty short, so don't give up hope!

Kommentar von Yutto

This whole WQ and the subsequent achievement is proof that Blizzard does not test any aspect of their game, nor do they understand their own engine limitations. Everything about this is awful.

Kommentar von Rellyne

This became a tradition already. Every expansion now has a WQ showing what the WoW netcode/engine can't handle... hahahaha

At least the others were more about the delay the game has. This one is a total new level where they couldn't even keep the spears consistent.

Kommentar von Gonder

Doing this with over 150ms is not that I would call a fun experience.

Kommentar von Alatheia

Completed as 11/27/2020

Its a little hard for sure and lag will definitely cause you to have a harder time the bigger the delay.

What I found helpful is to maintain eyes on my character, but also forward (so towards right of the screen)

don't let your character get too much momentum in either direction up or down, the delay will be too much for server/system to handle and it will look like you didn't hit the spikes on your client, but the server disagrees and you will always lose that argument. The more momentum the bigger the difference between server and client positions (again just my perception)

I did it after about 20 tries probably, and I am not known for my dexterity

good luck!

Kommentar von dietdelre

Got to the end, exited the mini game and got stuck in the vehicle - no achievement :/

Kommentar von Vasehri

Here is everything that helped me complete the Paragon's Challenge.

Your children should learn their profanity at school, not at home. Do this achievement after your children (if any) have gone to school or bed.
Use your dominant hand. I'm right-handed, and while it doesn't normally matter, I had better results overall after I switched my key presses to my right hand.
Size reducing effects (e.g. Noggenfoggers Elixier and Pygmäenöl) do help. Whether or not it changes your hitbox is somewhat irrelevant, as it changes your perception and thus timing. (Credit: AcidBurn348)
Focus your attention on the bottom spears. Your head and wings are not where you think they are.
The spears are rendered in blocks of three, not individually. This is why you can't fall between them, and why you will constantly clip corners.
Use your Segeln right before you enter the two narrowest sections. Careful, it launches you up a bit so you may decapitate yourself otherwise.
Use a frame of reference for timing. Moving a chat window or damage meter window into place prior to starting can help you with timing. (Credit: Taubes)
Use a macro to start the challenge. (Credit: dankind64)/target Instructor Malo
/script C_GossipInfo.SelectOption(3)

Kommentar von Marierierieee

DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DO THIS WHILE YOU HAVE THE WORLD QUEST INCOMPLETE.

You need to finish the world quest, THEN attempt to complete the paragon challenge. I had to basically complete this achievement TWICE for it to count. The video linked in Sipder2's comment is THE EASIEST way to complete this achievement. Do not use any size modifiers, they do not matter regarding your hitbox, and make it harder to judge what spears actually can hit you.

Kommentar von Rasboinica

There were some bad WQ achis before, but this has to be the worst. Its so %^&*ing inconsistent, sometimes you touch spears its nothing, other time you lose if you get near one...

Kommentar von Baatmaan

I did the challenge three times for itt to add the achievement.
I did the WQ then tried the challenge. After several tries, I made it to the end, only for it to teleport me out with wings attached. I could flap around Bastion all I wanted. After exiting the vehicle, it only ported me back to the quest start.

Second try, the same. Before trying a third time, I relogged.

Kommentar von Boukhiar

29/11/2020 - seems to be bugged.
I've finished Paragon's Challange during the world quest Flight School: Flapping Frenzy and did not recieve achievement.

Reported ticket.

Kommentar von motleyorc

It is legitimately unfathomable to me that Blizzard could knowingly design and test an achievement this putrid, and still ship it into the game. This is mind-blowingly awful

I have no tips for any of you, other than to buckle up and prepare to cry

Kommentar von infek

I wouldn't mind grinding this achievement if the camera position didn't change every single time you failed. It's infuriating.

Kommentar von Hiyorin

Ok. Flappy Bird with input lag and momentum. Not great but I can deal. But when the borders are this inconsistent and my hit box is drawn by a drunken monkey? Ok now we aren't having a good time.

I hope Instructor Malo is a boss at some point cuz I wanna strangle him.

Kommentar von Bayur

Please everybody, report this achievement as bugged. It should function as it has on the beta and no killing you while you clearly not hitting a spear. This achievement is somewhat managable right now, but I'm sure it's not intended like this and should be corrected.

Kommentar von Valrysha

Why was this greenlit? Completely frustrating, it has no rhyme or reason. You hit the spear, you don't get stopped, you don't hit the spear, you fail? What is this? Atrocious achievement.

Kommentar von atrasia

if you have high latency/ping then i sugguest you don't try this.
i gave up after several hours of trying with 180-200ping and 178ms world.
made my life feel miserable and i lost all my love for the game. maker of this achievement didn't know how delicate input lag/delay are for players and how it affects them.

Kommentar von TwistedMetal

Truly amazing how someone creates a terrible world quest and the player thinking it can't get any worse and Blizzard proves you wrong

Kommentar von Chipinators

I'm guessing this achievement is bugged? Or am I missing something?
I've completed the Paragon's Challenge twice on two separate days the WQ was up and it hasn't awarded the achievement...

Kommentar von Dondocool

I think Blizzard needs to realize why Flappy Bird was taken off the app store...

If it's any help, I do recommend counting the jumps, as it'll help you keep in time with when to jump mentally, as well as to use Soar after the 11th and the 26th(?) jumps.

Kommentar von Sharpbladez

So its seems this isnt awarded unless you finish the world quest first. Even after you finish, you can still talk to the NPC to do the paragon challenge.

Kommentar von devjvv

I spent over 30 mins trying to complete this %^&*ty challenge during the world quest and when I finally beat it I did NOT get the achievement. However I got the achievement during the next attempt (luckily took only few tries...) even though the world quest was completed.

Kommentar von SolasAingeal

For this one, the recommended 11 flaps, leap,13 more flaps, and leap is useful, but I'd like to add just a couple more things. There is a drop right after the 5th flap in the first round and one after the 9th flap in the second round. I know they're minor things, but knowing those two falls were coming up really helped me. Also, keep in mind if your ms is not super high, you may need an extra flap after the second leap or else you won't have enough air to get over the last 3 spikes.

Kommentar von Raelic

I liked to focus my vision on just the bottom spears. I had to launch myself twice. Once was very near the end.

Kommentar von CraftyDragon

Absolute garbage. The hit boxes for the bottom spears are all different sizes. I could be a few pixels from one and it's fine and half an inch from another and get dinged. #$%^ this.

Kommentar von Mirouku

One of the worst achievement ever.
The hit box is random (especially the bottom row)

Kommentar von Georgino

FIRST complete the wq and THEN do the Paragon's Challenge...

Doing it BEFORE wq is completed.. will NOT give you credit (you have to do it again)

Kommentar von MrFhtagn

Sorry but all this ranting is from people that think: Hey i have itemlvl 9000 and i cant do this? bugs everywhere dont touch my self esteem blizzard!
it took quite some time bevore i got it done the first time and it didnt even gieve me the achievement so i done it again like 3 trys later...
stop QQ more pewpew

Kommentar von mRshykid

It's doable

Kommentar von Nerdelbaum

If you're a Necrolord and have a construct with you, send it home before doing this. It'll randomly appear and block the view of your character but even more importantly it'll always say the line it uses on spawn and drive you insane.

Kommentar von Kisses

I will be your shield...

Kommentar von Gabrielinho

The most annoying thing about this achievement it's that if you want to try it again you are teleported away from the npc and with your camera in a different position so you have to move your camera and walk every single time.

Kommentar von Beace

The achievement is annoying, but not really as bad as say the horse jumping in BFA. Just make sure you do it at a non-laggy time, and follow tips from other comments here. What finally got me through was counting the jumps and then soaring on 11 & 13 (as per comments here). Shortly after the 2nd soar, you'll be done. It's shorter than I thought it was gonna be.

Kommentar von prinnygod

Maybe Devos was right

Kommentar von Korkol

Flappybird with momentum? Interesting twist, I can dig it.
Flappybird with input lag? Frustrating, not a good idea, but whatever I guess.
Flappybird with momentum, input lag, and completely arbitrary hitboxes that don't match any of the spear graphics or your character model basically ever? Well, I guess after Legion and BfA, it's par for the course to make World Quest achievements the most infuriating activities you can possibly do in this game.

Kommentar von voirdire

I hope the dev's responsible for this quest read this and eventually lose their keys when running late to something.

Edit: I finally got it but I still hate the dev responsible for this.

Kommentar von fated2pretend

A good item to use to reduce your character's size that doesn't have a limited duration is the Bürgi Schwarzherzens Hübscher Hut toy.

Kommentar von gh0sth4nd

... and i thought the turtles made it into the water was a pain in the b

i can highly recommend
https://wago.io/i5lOPPbfA

that weakaura

and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAwWPadFsOA
as background music

and just to be save use and old display just in case of a gamers day moment

and use soar after 11 flaps and then dont use it after 13 i done it twice and ended up in a spear near the end just dont do it trust me on this

Kommentar von Aruuna

I love how it kicks you when you do not touch a spear and then it does not kick you when you actually touch one lol.

Kommentar von Suzaku

I want to see the actual hitboxes for the Paragon version, because they're nowhere close to where the spears are.

That said, turning down my settings to maximize framerate helped a lot. After you get past the start it's actually not that difficult.

Kommentar von SeraphicSeal

This quest and achievement clearly shows why we need WoW2 instead of yet another expansion...

Kommentar von Sargonnax

It took me about 40 or so tries to get this.

Only advice I can give everyone is that the hit boxes on the top spears are a little easier than the bottom. I often touched the tip of the top spears with no issue, but come anywhere near the bottom and you are done even when you know you never touched one of the spears.

You should use ability 2 that shoots you forward at two points when the spears narrow the most.Don't use it any other time. When you use option two it shoots you forward in an arc and not a straight line so you actually need to use it as your are coming down before you get to the narrow spears.

Some comments are complaining about how horrible this is, but its just something that takes practice and quite a few attempts to complete. Just because its not easy that doesn't make it awful design.

Ive also seen comments that you have to do the world quest first before completing the achievement. That is not true or it was changed if it was that way in the past. I did the paragon version and received the achievement and completed the world quest at the same time.

Kommentar von Turowai

Spent nearly an hour on this, at 3:33 - 4:25am, where there was no one else around to reduce latency issues.
It's super infuriating how you can seemingly touch nothing and still fail >.<

I found counting my bounces helped a lot (especially for memorising the course), and used my soar ability (#2) at bounce 11 and 26 (not 24 like is suggested above) to successfully beat the course and get my achy.
I also found that the first soar (11th button press) didn't quite get through the gap on it's own, and needed the 12th bounce to be fairly well timed to bounce over the last bit. Similarly, the 2nd soar (26th button press) needed a bounce shortly after to raise me back up and cross the finish line.

I would hope to see blizz sometime fix the lower spears so they don't rek you while you're nowhere near them.

Also of note, the soar isn't a straight forward move, which caught me off-guard for a bit. it's more of a jump up and move forward fair bit (but not quite as high as a normal bounce).

Hope this helps someone!

Kommentar von Wyo1

very frustrating made me somewhat aggressive, couldnt make it thru the last bit after a lot of tries- every try is different, ive had no learning curve, jesus.

Kommentar von Rediumkell

I'm fiddling with the various toys that change your image, and so far i've found that if you are a dwarf, or use Ai-Li's Skymirror toy to become a dwarf, your "Feet" will hit the spikes when the character model does, but you hit the top before your head hits them. As a blood elf this is still better, as the way they 'curl' themselves seems to cause you to hit the bottom AND the top when the character model doesnt actually touch.

Another toy, the Fal'Dorei Egg, turns you into a spider-person and it seems to be 'true height', as in your head and your feet hit the spikes when the model hits the spikes, but the image is a little "Wider" than it should be. I'll keep shuffling through toys that change models and see if i cant find a good one to complete the paragon challenge.

Kommentar von TehLeviter

Finishing this without losing sanity is bigger flex than TLPD.... also, dev responsible for this will go directly into the maw, no matter if we fix shadowlands or not.

Kommentar von Sajakain

Personally Completed On 12/22

If you are going to attempt this achievement there are some things you must accept, without question. Knowing these things will only help you.

Input lag is a thing: Sometimes, when you hit the ability to "flap" it won't register at the same time as any other cast. Sometimes it registers almost instantly. Sometimes it registers a half second late.
It is significantly easier to use your "Soar" ability twice on this run. The first time is about half way through and the second time is close to the end
Using any toy / item that reduces your size does help. I personally used Bürgi Schwarzherzens Hübscher Hut. It made me a gnome and, while the hitbox may not have physically changed, it gave the reaction time window a bit more of a cushion. (Not much because I'm a dwarf but - hey - any little thing helps, right?)
You cannot fall between the spears. I presumed the hitboxes were / are square but others have commented that the spear hitboxes are in sets of three meaning there's a hitbox in front of and behind each spear. (This is why you can seem to pass a spear but still fail. You hit the hitbox behind it.)
You can fail right at the start either by hitting "flap" too soon or not soon enough. I lost count how many times I fell too far right at the beginning.
Speaking of falling. . . the effects of gravity is a thing. The longer you fall, the faster you fall. There's one particularly large drop in this course. I usually hit my "flap" ability about half way down to avoid hitting the spear at the bottom.
As others have commented and suggested, use the bottom spears as your gauge.

It took me longer than I would like to admit but, if you stick with it you will eventually learn the course and where to "flap" vs where to "soar". Once you know these things you will only then rely on the RNG aspects listed above. Stick with it, though. You'll eventually get it.

Good luck, Maw Walker.

Kommentar von Chainsaw

its important to note that hitbox of the spears extend to the left and right of each spear up to the next spear. so just imagine an infinite number of spears filling every space in between. really bad design. hitboxes of your char also vary drastically from race to race. the dev that made this should be cast into the maw

Kommentar von Silvansaria

...wow this was a difficult mini-game for me. I'm not going to get into how many tries or how long it took me because truthfully - it was probably WAY LONGER than any other person on Earth :p

Okay, that being said... There is one thing I absolutely recommend: COUNT OUT LOUD.

Count every wing flap out loud as you go - for me - for some reason it totally focused my flaps throughout the course.It still took me forever - but it still felt much more controlled than being silent about it.
I played around with different race variations through my Toys and the one that felt the BEST to me was the Fal'dorei Egg which turns you into a spidery demon thingy. IMO it had the best control and the best hit box spacial barriers... It just ends too fast (for me). Think it was 5 minutes with an hour cooldown.

The course itself.
It takes basically 11 flaps to get to the first SOAR (and truthfully you don't need to soar through. I actually flapped my way through a couple times). After this there's a big drop and as people said - the farther you let yourself fall the faster you go so beware of THAT. As a rule of thumb I flap at the half way mark on any fall. Once you go up the "steps" on the second half of the course - you almost immediately go into the second SOAR - and making it through that immediately completes the course and grants the achievement.

I don't really know what else to say about this - except to just count your flaps out loud. I think it really helps.

Just be cool, be calm, be focused and BE PATIENT.
You will totally get it.
Best of luck to everyone and future gratz on your achievement :)

LETS ROCK!

Kommentar von Elitecookie

For my part, this one is literally impossible for me. The input lag is all over the goddamn place. Sometimes it reacts instantly, and sometimes it takes a second

And the hitboxes.....these can not be set. I've had my goddamn foot inside a spear countless times only to not even being near that same spear and fail.

Unless blizzard SETS the hitboxes or moves the spears apart, this one is literally impossible for us with garbage internet.

Kommentar von rekhyt

Used Burgy Blackheart's Handsome Hat to transform into a gnome and have a smaller hitbox. Worked wonderfully for me.

Kommentar von RyanGosling

The thing that makes this difficult is the roll of the dice when it comes to input lag. Oh, you've gotten used to 200ms input lag for the first 40% of the course? Let's hit you with a random 600ms spike for no reason. This is 90% of the fails I endured when doing this achievement. And it's not on my end, as the world/home ms is 30ms consistently. It's just Blizzard being Blizzard.
Absolute joke of an execution. And then having the audacity to put an abchivement on this garbage as well.

Kommentar von Char

for real, don't pretend like the space between the spears is empty because if you touch that you lose. I'd rather they just show the hitbox of the spears instead of the spears themselves. the most annoying part is starting it, it should start far to the left so you can get started a few jumps before going into it. sometimes clicking doesnt register for a second, and other times it registers instantly, make up your mind.

and omfg... stop starting me15 yds from the npc or give a retry option in the game like someone previously mentioned.

Kommentar von wowZhenek

That was one helluva pain in the ass with 100 ms, lol. Took like 25 attempts to get it.

Kommentar von Prepodobna

I think we deserve a special kind of world rank achievement for this. The same achievement with the number in the world who have completed it, it definitely would feel so awesome and unique!

Kommentar von DeathMaster

Ok, if you did this in the early weeks of the expansion and utterly failed, you may want to try again. While still not easy, now that the ping/responsiveness have improved a little it's actually doable.

Kommentar von Sylicaa

Blizzard does many great things, this is not one of them.

Kommentar von squidkid11

aLL soULS ARe bORnE bY oUr WinGs

Kommentar von pflaher

Toys like these too make this achievement trival:
Gnomeregan Pride
Robo-Gnomebulator

Kommentar von Shauolin

You should be using Soar twice during this mini game to get you through. Don't try to complete the course using flaps alone. You will likely fail.

The first Soar should be used towards the start as you flap back up a small incline after a small drop, around flap 11 or 12 depending on how you have done the parts prior. Trying to flap through this pinch section will probably end with you hitting the top spear. Hit soar just towards the top of the incline to glide you through.

The last Soar should be used towards the end of the mini game just after you have done the big fall.
Remember you pick up speed as you fall so take that into account when you use your flap to stop you hitting the bottom.
As you flap back up the incline use Soar again towards the top which will carry you to the finish line.
This is around flap 25.

It is doable but you should be using Soar, don't try to freehand it with flaps alone.
Good Luck

Kommentar von fetzili

Alright first of all: you all should report it as a bug. But it is still obtainable but really stressing.

So all ppl recommend the toy, I don't have it, so I used Noggenfoggers Elixier
I waited for the effect to be smaller, I remove the sceleton effect.

It doesn't change imo anything about the hitbox, but it made it a lot easier for me to do the right order of jumps.

- Don't do this achiv during world boss, NOT POSSIBLE. I tried it for one hour and it lagged like hell. Today without world boss I did the achiv within 10 minutes.

Here how I did it:

- Got smaller due Noggenfoggers Elixier
*Started the race

- 11x button 1
- 1x button 2

- 13x button 1
- 1x button 2

- 2x button 1

Done.
You have to practice that for sure, but I did my best tries with counting the jumps. Be careful not to be too high up or too near the button before pressing the second attack. Depending on how long you fallen before it might be that the time to press button 2 differ, but that was really nearly never, maybe 3 times. Good luck!

Kommentar von Shayuki

I think I took like 30 tries, 20 of those were right at the start when I pressed the first jump at slightly the incorrect time because it takes like 0.2 seconds until you fall onto the first spread. Seriously, make the start position such that you don't need to rely on the countdown that's completely out of sync.

Kommentar von Fleric

I spent nearly 4 hours on this trying both key board and mouse clicking, tried the damage meter box method (nice idea if you get the box positioned right which i never did even with the image and tried my own positioning as well). Like everyone els said it was inconsistent when you would hit spikes, what a waste of time. So many world quests in this expansion are so disappointing either because there is not enough items to collect, areas are cramped, too many mobs lapping over, and now this garbage. Also quests seem self explanatory but more often than not I end up here..oh and just finding npc to kill that are in caves...its hell finding cave ent in Shadowlands. really disappointing..

Kommentar von falcon1209

HAHAHAHA! Trying to do this while the Bastion world boss is up...

Kommentar von dekallo

Finally got this today, I was struggling for a long time and what did it for me was switching my buttons to work on key press instead of key down. Once I did this it was instantly much easier for me.

If you use Bartender, toggle it from the main settings panel. Otherwise you can use Advanced Interface Options to toggle the behavior. Just remember to toggle it back after unless you end up liking it better.

Kommentar von MrAMB

The easiest way to do this is to count...

count as you do this...
11 normal jumps (right before you touch the lower spears)
1 soar (right before you touch the lower spears)
11 normal jumps (right before you touch the lower spears)
1 soar (right before you touch the lower spears)

will work everytime

Kommentar von Bornwizard

I made an account just to comment for this quest/achievement. This Paragon WQ is quite annoying, but I decided to leave some advice that might help others as it helped me.

I transformed my character into a leper gnome by using Vial of Green Goo (TOY). I figured shrinking my character model might help, and it did. After a few more tries I finally got the achievement. If you don't have the vial maybe use something that'll shrink your model.

Kommentar von bargebone

I would like to thank Blizzard for allowing me to participate in this achievement. It taught me how to completely disconnect from reality and enter another dimension -- one where you cannot feel your physical body nor focus your vision. Instead, you sync your heart beat to the flaps of the wings, with each of my 1000 failures allowing me to get one spear closer each time. Now that I've achieved this, what is left? Back to the physical realm until the next expansion's impossible achievement, I guess.

Kommentar von skyline33

Burgy Blackheart's Handsome Hat may help.
Makes you smaller, 3 sec Cooldown with no duration

Kommentar von Freeasacar

Sure the hitboxes are bad. There are huge invisible squares around all the spears so you can seemingly hit nothing and die. But the inputs being so randomly laggy are the main killer for me. Even if I compensate for the lag and press the button earlier than I should at the perfect time there are still completely random times when it just doesn't register until way too late and sends me into the spear below. This is at 30ms. This isn't skill-based but luck-based and it should not have shipped at all in this state. The Falling with Style WQ doesn't have a Paragon's Challenge and neither should this WQ if they're not willing to develop it properly.

Kommentar von Deathlywings

OK so this one was annoying. First and foremost the tip to use your second ability at 11 flaps followed by an additional 13 flaps is correct. Someone else suggested afterwards to use the second one at 15 flaps, but that is wrong.

Second tip I have is once you make it to the second use of your second ability be ready to hit the first ability again. You will need to hit the first ability 1-3 more times before you finish the challenge.

Third, the weak auras or the using the damage meter instead of your character to map your placement or using shrinking potions etc...all of that crap is just that...crap. This is all about timing. Unless you are in crappy yellow or red latency the latency is only an issue 1 in every like 10 attempts. You don't even have to take that with a grain of salt because I am not using Google Fiber gigabit internet....I live in Podunk Marshall, TX way out in the sticks and have 1.5 Mbps down on a GOOD day...my internet is the definition of crap internet. Don't come at me with this quest is crappy because of latency...it's timing.

All of that being said....the big thing is that very first hit of 1 after the countdown. It's about half a second after the countdown reaches 1 that you need to hit 1 yourself and start one one thousand counting. You literally count one one thousand (hit 1), two one thousand, (hit 1) three one thousand (hit 1), four (hit 1...note on four you just say four don't count the one thousand part) then stop counting out in the one one thousand and PAUSE APPROXIMATELY HALF A SECOND (hit 1). Drop for another half second then hit one and begin to JUST after your character starts to descend hit 1....then just after it starts to descend....hit 1....then just after it starts to descend....hit 1....I think you get it now =P

Using the second ability at 11 flaps messes up a LOT. Don't get discouraged. You just have to figure out your own timing.

This entire thing is a pattern recognition / timing game. Unrecline your chair and put your big boy/gal gamer pants on; you actually have to try for this one.

My timing may not work for you. You may not count at the same speed I do even with the one one thousand trick. See what works. Oh and give it....legitimately like twenty tries before you scrap my idea. Like I said the big thing is finding the timing for the VERY FIRST hit of 1 right after the countdown to get the timing right. Once I found my pattern I completed this after 20-30 attempts. Those 20-30 attempts of doing it my way were after legitimately 100+ attempts of trying everything else on this website lololololol. Those things above might work for some people, but if they aren't working for you, try my way =) G/L and GG WP!

Kommentar von fkdlzh

trying to do this as a tauren is the biggest $%^& i have ever seen in this game

Kommentar von sillysauce

I just finished this (without the use of any addon or counting method) and can say that what helped me the most was figuring how much space I had to work with. For a male Zandalari I found that there was no wiggle room with the spears pointing up. If my feet got tickled, I got booted out. I did find that I could not only graze the top spears, but go a little past the tips of those spears and still continue. This may work for others or it might not. Best of luck you anyone trying to get this completed.

Kommentar von menobeno

Oh my god, i just finished it and came right here to see all the comments about how hard this was just to realize that there was a 2nd ability all along that i could've used on all my tries. I am crying.

Kommentar von AspinKT

I have made a small addon to help with this achievement: https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/flapaway

Details are on the CurseForge page, but in short, during the encounter Mouse Wheel Down will cast Flap, while Mouse Wheel Up will cast Soar. Outside of the encounter it effectively becomes a restart function, using a series of macros to run up to the quest NPC, speak to them, and automatically start the encounter. No need to worry about the weird camera positions etc.

Type "/flapaway" to enable/disable. A frame will appear to remind you the addon is running, and what the keybinds are – I suggest moving this to the corner of your screen.

I found the Mouse Wheel Up and Down to be quite intuitive, and as other comments here have suggested, it generally means you’ll be using your dominant hand. That said, the keybinds can be changed with "/flapaway config". The default UI keybinds are also unaffected, so you can keep using those too, and just use the mouse wheel as a restart button.

Kommentar von Malicone

I didnt even touch spears, still failing. Repeat, there is something wrong with hitbox.

Kommentar von AlexL1118

That Blizzard employee who designed this quest, should be sentenced to watch video of all retries of all players before he goes home next time.

Kommentar von Webbling

Don't attempt this if you're prone to raging at things beyond your control.

Kommentar von boogg

Recomend binding the jump to scroll wheel and thrust on 11 and 13(24) worked for me. Go for 30min then come back another day. Got it after 5min one morning, would not have done that the day before.

Kommentar von Knauki

Gave it a 2nd shot today, seems like they changed something, so it's more accurate and without peak lags. Did it after 10 trys (if i don't count the ~200 from November :D)

Kommentar von cozyarmadillo

I attempted it on April 6, 2021, and completed it. What I found useful:

Get this weakaura: https://wago.io/i5lOPPbfA Very difficult to do without it.
Surprisingly, the first 5 Flaps are pressure points, some of the hardest. Getting the timing right for the first 5 is something practice will make perfect. Personally, getting the first Flap as soon as you have control worked for me. Otherwise, Flap 5 into the drop was not consistent.
Use your first Soar after 10 flaps. 11 didn't work for me. When you use your Soar after 10 Flaps, your next Flap has to be fast as you need that extra Flap to clear the tight area.
After this, spears are not as tight, and it is mostly straightforward, with 1 more Soar after 13-15 flaps, and this one is not hard. Once you get past the first Soar + Flap, a few tries into the last phase and you should get it.
I tried this first on a Troll. I didn't get it for a long time. Switched to Blood Elf and it was easier. Got it on Blood Elf, went back to troll an still couldn't do it. I would suggest stay away from troll. It probably has a much tighter window.

Good luck and hope you get your achievement.

Kommentar von silkfire

Hotfixed on April 7, 2021:

Slightly reduced the difficulty of the Paragon's Challenge for the Bastion World Quest "Flight School: Flapping Frenzy".

Kommentar von rlidgiu

I found keeping your eyes on the toon to be very helpful. Also trying to stay calm is always good.

Kommentar von Pacmane

Mythic Artificer Xy'mox took less attempts than this achievement did.

Kommentar von FAdraven

in order to more easily track your progress on this and other shadowlands achievements that require that specific world quests are available, you can run the following:

/run ids={=60739,=60475,=59705,=60911,=60858,=59643,=59718,=60602}
/run t=0 x=0 for ad,qd in pairs(ids) do n={GetAchievementInfo(ad)} if not n then a=C_TaskQuest.IsActive(qd) t=t+1 print(n,a) if a then x=x+1 C_QuestLog.AddWorldQuestWatch(qd) end end end print(x,'of',t,'available')

you can run the lines individually, using Paste / CopyPasta, or with an extended macro using Macro Toolkit.

if you've already completed an achievement on the current character it will be skipped, otherwise the achievement name will be listed along with whether or not the required quest is available:
true = achievement is not completed, and the required quest is available and should be added to the world quest tracker
false = achievement is not completed but not the required quest available

the achievements tracked by this script are:
Ein wenig dies, ein wenig das
Fliegerass
Cumulus cum laude
Eine verfledderte Affäre
Sonnenschirmsegeln
Bollwerksbolide
Irgendetwas stimmt hier nicht...
Was der Bastion im Gedächtnis blieb

Kommentar von khalaban

Accidentally got disconnected mid flight. connected back and once logged in game, the achievement was completed. Worth giving it a shot if you are struggling with it

Kommentar von Currently

Kind of an annoying achievement like others have said. This took me approximately 30 attempts. The 'hit box' is bigger than your character, so you have to be mindful of that. This is definitely possible as of 6/14/2021. I also didn't use 'Soar' at all.

Kommentar von kocZka

As of today, if you start the paragon challenge and alt+f4, then log back, you get the achievement.

Kommentar von Enriched

I couldn't complete on my Nightborne, Troll or Tauren, so switched to my Goblin.
Not sure if the character uses up less space, but definitely felt like it did.
Took maybe 20 attempts on my Goblin.
Try on smaller classes.

Kommentar von reedwand

For anyone struggling with this, I think they may have "softened the edges"
Completed this on my night elf druid - tall in stature and I know I hit a few points so it did make me wonder if it's been "nerfed"

Kommentar von Oblivious

Only Blizzard could take Flappy Bird and somehow make it worse.

Between control lag, connection lag, and buggy hitboxes (are they even the same for different races? why are characters different sizes relative to the track, then?), I'd say wasting time with this "achievement" is a sign that you've lost any notion of what "fun" or "gameplay" are supposed to be. Might as well have an "achievement" which is just "roll some dice until you 'achieve' a sequence of 20 sevens".

Kommentar von Gameroze

If someone else has mentioned it then I apologise in advance but I figured something out that makes this achievement far less difficult. If you have any toys that can change your character into a smaller one i.e a gnome, goblin etc then it makes it much easier to avoid the spikes. Honestly, trying to do it as a tauren is unbearably difficult. I hope this helps!

Kommentar von Harmmony

This achievement was annoying for sure, but not impossible. I did not use any tricks like resizing my character or trying to make hitbox markers using my damage meter.
The hitbox for the lower spears is way larger than the spears above. In other words, I was able to hit my head (as a Blood Elf) on the tip of the upper spears without getting knocked out of the minigame.
I tried using the trick where somebody mentioned using Soar at 11 Flaps and Soar again at 13 Flaps, but using Soar just kept messing me up. I found it easier to pass without using Soar at all, so if you find that Soar is causing you to fail repeatedly, just use Flap only. It took me about 20 tries to pass.

Kommentar von sTizzl

As a Tauren this was impossible, my character model would not fit through the narrow parts where you have to soar unless youre pixel perfect it seems and even then i question if its possible. highly recommend getting some Pygmy Oil or reference this list for what to use to change into a smaller model with smaller hitboxes.

Kommentar von sayara

If you do not care about a mini-game and you just want the achievement. Or your internet connection sucks and it makes you fail because your ping is too high:

The easiest way to do this achievement is to start the trial and while it is at countdown switch off your internet and reconnect it again. The achievement would be granted. Discovered by accident. I have 200-300 ms ping because I'm in Australia playing on a Russian account, so this type of achievement is always a pain in the ass for me, as it requires a really low ping. And the internet in Australia kind of sucks, so I lost the signal at countdown, and when I got it back I couldn't believe my eyes.

You are welcome! :)

Kommentar von sakara123

This may be entirely coincidental. But as a highmountain tauren I was failing, like BAD.

Anyways, I used the toy Gorenverkleidung And not only did i succeed on the first attempt, I also clipped a few times and didn't die.

Kommentar von Moonscythe

It would be amusing if it weren't so disgusting. Blizzard expects you to make a very tight perfect run to get this achievement, but yet they themselves are grossly sloppy with the design. You will get reset for touching nothing, often. Plus as mentioned you have to talk to the person every.single.time you get reset. And you are immediately reset over and over because the first jump is the hardest of them all. Bascially you talk to npc, click lets try, fail, talk to npc, click lets try, fail, talk to npc, click lets try, fail, etc etc

You can't trust what you are looking at the graphics do not match the actual results. you have to spend hours on this time-gating nightmare just to learn when to precisely hit each flap in sequence and work in the soar for that one perfect run, OR get an addon but from what im reading that is no picnic either. I don't mind difficult, but broken is not difficult, it's broken. I generally like getting the achievs but after reading the disgust on here and trying it a few dozen times i'm done.

Blizzface, If you expect us to be perfect in our gameplay play can you be better in your design? This is one of the worst gaming experiences i've ever had in my life. I'm 50 and played pong when i was 5 as my first game, i live video games, and this was like punishment for being stupid enough to pay you money. "Wanna play 52 card pickup?" Honestly this could be a legit torture method if someone were sick enough to use it. It will never be fixed or changed or anything we know this. The people that decide where the money is spent do not like spending it on this sorta stuff as we all know Bobby needs lots of hookers & blow on that yacht.

Salute to those who got the achievement, you are insane my friend. =)

Kommentar von Huey1N

This is legit the worst achievement in the game. It's all about luck and not anything that you do.

Kommentar von Taalmisbruik

Little tip: don't forget to treat the soar like a jump. Every time you jump you wait a bit for your character to come down right? Same thing applies for the soar. Wait till you're character is down a bit and than soar. Else you will throw yourself in the spears.

Kommentar von icemage24

Tried twice with the world enlarger, seemed to be hitting my head without actually hitting the top. Used the Thistleleaf Branch, won on the next (3rd) attempt

Kommentar von Twax

With higher ping no chance , ty blizzard for this total !@#$%^ed, bul..hit achievement in game.

Kommentar von sarxos

Focus on your feet, and keeping your feet just above the spears (they can go slightly into the spears and not flag as a collision). Do not look at your head or the upper spears at all.

Kommentar von Ivytwo

I used the darkmoon seesaw before doing this. It gives you a "childlike wonder" buff that shrinks you. It was still a challenge, but made it much easier.

Kommentar von murphymurph

Did someone from Comcast technical support create this thing? Why can't there be a restart button, why can't you at least spawn next to the instructor to resume instead of walking back, clicking him, clicking start, then resuming the game in game? This is atrocious, I hate it so so so so so so much.

Kommentar von crimminal

I just got this on my 10th try. It was early so server wasn't busy = no lag. Also, the tip to use Soar on the 11th flap and again 13 flaps later was key.

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