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Kommentar von Shockna

Killing Thrall actually isn't all that difficult on some Servers.

For example, Malygos-US, where the Horde is outnumbered almost 4:1 (Well, it certainly looks like i, anyway), a Thrall kill could be done by any guild(s) willing to field the people. Hell, 40 would be good as long as you're skilled and coordinated.

On other servers, like Arthas, Tichondrius or Illidan, on the other hand, Thrall would be very difficult to kill, probably taking several hundred to pull off.

Kommentar von 193709

This should help with http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?achievement=1006 .

Kommentar von Gridinius

We took down all alliance city leaders except 1 in a single night with only 25 in the raid. Just form it like a raid. Have some people kill/tank/heal the leader and some good pvpers keeping alliance at bay.

Kommentar von TheCreed

The thing i like with this is that Blizz has listened to the ppl saying TBC killed world pvp, we'll finally have these epic raids in the Major Cities, or at least more often ;)

Kommentar von 39966

Does anybody know if achievement will count if you kill Thrall while he's visiting Mag'har?

Kommentar von 56470

Killed just now.
Genjuros server 40 man raid.

Kommentar von 87561

I find these achivements quite annoying.Blizzard tries to make more world pvp but to get this achievement work u need a PvE set up and gear.

If u ask me Blizz thinks PvE>PvP

Kommentar von Anarchy

How could anyone want to kill thrall?
He's a nice guy.

Kommentar von 254266

anyone have some tactics, cause i tried and i failed cause to many hordies, maybe help me with the hour, or anything pls, thx

Kommentar von TheDayOfDoom

How come the allies don't need to kill Vol'Jin? He's a boss in Orgrimmar too o.O

Kommentar von 268629

Just killed Thrall and you need to be in the raid that tags him to get credit and the achievement

Kommentar von 203746

Good luck on this.

If the Horde don't kill ya, the lag will. It may seem like raid vs Thrall, but as soon as you enter, there will be close to 200 or so mobs in there, a mixture of Alliance raid, guards, Thrall, Zul'Jin, misc. mobs like trainers, 80 Horde and lowbies. You WILL lag to at least 2k latency. =|

And no, it wasn't a coincidence, we tried 3 times and lagged upon touching Thrall...cause by the time we did, 50 or so Horde came back and decided to have a party with us again. There's no winning =P We DID get him down to 40% one attempt, so he's VERY possible (we were a PuG)....just not easy.

Kommentar von 221517

yea the alliance just got us on kargath server this is the first time ever since the game came out so i think thats bull and they did it when most of our lv 80s were raiding lol

Kommentar von Ibbi

I'm not sure if anyone had to deal with this, but Horde Death Knights can use their ability Mark of Blood to heal Thrall back to full health while Alliance are trying to bring him down. I'm sure this isn't intended by Blizzard for that to work.

Kommentar von 31497

16/12-08 Bugged and un-achiveable at EU-Frostmane, any server with same problem?

Kommentar von 209822

I pretty peeveed at how hard it is now to get a grp evry1 has got a bear and all i need is thrall but so many people dont want to go cus they gonna get killed. Vol'jin wipes u rly easy unless ur tank is any good.the lag kills u its not funny anymore.

Kommentar von 332941

I raided Thrall 6 times over 3 days. And then we finalyl killed him. There were literaly only 5 horde. We kept the troll back and took care of Thrall and even had time for the troll. We made it with 3 healers and druids using tranq.

And off the subject we danced on Thrall's corpse as an after party.

Kommentar von 346648

Yes. Why don't you kill The Human King and sit on him? circle of Warcraft =D

Kommentar von 314242

its like the old saying goes, if ya can't take the lag, get a better computer

Kommentar von 203746

Downed him a few days ago.

-Was pugged
-3 AM on day after 3.1 patch day (wednesday)
-Might have been during WG but not sure

We succeeded most definitely because we did it at 3 AM, especially 3 AM on a weekday. So if you want his big fat smelly orc head, you might have to pull an allnighter on a day where you dont work the next day and get some friends. It's hard to get a group but if you can pull it off, it's much easier. We had almost no horde resistance, and the only real problems we had were Zul'jin hexxing the crap out of us.

Kommentar von Syrio

To have some fun on the horde side, enter this into your chat box

/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Shift-click this to place a link into a chat message: \124cffffff00\124Hachievement:610:"..strsub(UnitGUID("player"),3)..":1:4:25:9:0:0:0:0\124h\124h\124r");

It will say you kill the thrall if you link it into chat :D

Kommentar von 321372

Thrall was one of the easiest for us to down. Luckily on our server we're Alliance heavy and only 7 or so PVPers decided to even attempt to step in and they were quickly dealt with. We took the side Orgrimmar entrance, ran all the way to just outside his council room, killed all the guards that followed us, then went in and just beat him down. Vol'jin's not worth it, since he's just as big as Thrall and doesn't count for the achievement (silly, but whatever). After we downed him, we all let Vol'jin wipe us and rezzed in Razor Hill for our run to TB.

Kommentar von 311145

HAHAH alliance, good luck))))

Kommentar von harimuha

Its unfair that Blizz made backdoors to Orgrimmar.Allys tell its a strategy to go through that entrance but its not.U got to fight through Stormwind ,and in Orgrimmar u just mount up and run like 200 yards till Thrall.SO the basic ally strategy here,as far as i know is "Run,kill,run".

Kommentar von 358417

If by "determined to achieve peace" you mean "does jack all while his people attack the Alliance willy-nilly" then sure.

Kommentar von 358417

Read the books dude, the humans enslaved the orcs and forced them to fight in arena's and such, alot of them were just left in a camp to rot. Thrall just wanted a better life for his people...

I don't think that "giving them a better life" means "let them run around and do whatever they want up to and including murder"

And Thrall is the only Orc who was "enslaved." The rest of the Orcs were imprisoned. And considering why they were imprisoned I don't think that they're in any position to be complaining about jailtime.

Kommentar von 467538

Thrall was the hardest horde boss to kill; Mostly because most hordes go there than any other city and because of the troll race boss being in the same room.

List of hardest to easiest horde bosses:

1. Thrall

2. Sylvannas Windrunner

3. Cairne Bloodhoof

4. Lor'themar Theron

( I suggest raiding on weekends at night so u can stay up late and most people are asleep by then. )

But I'ma fan of Thrall and Sylvannas honestly. Their history is so interesting. :)

Kommentar von 439282

So you and your raid want to kill Thrall right? Want to know how to do it? Read below :)

First off Thrall is in the Grommash Hold in Orgrimmar here is the best route to get to him. Make sure when taking this route you don't fall off the narrow edge by the Hall of Legends/the corner turn by the Valley of Strength.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h142/wintersgirl0505/WoW/KillingThrall.jpg

Here are the NPC's (over 10,000 health) you will/may encounter along this route to Thrall:

•Orgrimmar Grunt (LVL 75) (Health: 16,402) (These NPC's are the guards of the city you will come across many of them during your raid.)

•Scout Manslayer (LVL 80 Elite) (Health: 51,600) (She roams from the back entrance down into the Valley of Strength)

Where these NPCs are located coming into they city by means of the back entrance:
You have your stationary guards/npc's (S) & roaming guards/npc's (R).

•Scout Manslayer (LVL 80 ELITE) roams wide area (R)

•2 Orgrimmar Grunts at front of back entrance bridge (S)

•1 Orgrimmar Grunt on the bridge (R)

•4 Orgrimmar Grunts at end of bridge and in doorway to city (S)

•2 Orgrimmar Grunts by the 1st bonfire on the left that you happen upon (S)

•2 Orgrimmar Grunts by 3rd bonfire on the right after Skyfury Staves (S)

•1 Orgrimmar Grunt roams from back entrance doorway to the Hall of Legends (R)

•1 Orgrimmar Grunt near front the Hall of Legends (S)

•1 Orgrimmar Grunts on side of the Hall of Legends by rope bridge to Flight Tower (S)

•1 Orgrimmar Grunt diagonally across from the Orgrimmar Grunt by the rope bridge(S)

•1 Orgrimmar Grunt by 4th bonfire on left near Stranglethorn Imported Fruits (S)

•1 Orgrimmar Grunt on left by 5th bonfire by Grommash Hold/Thrall's Fortress (S)

•1 Orgrimmar Grunt roams from flight path bridge to Grommash Hold (R)

•1 Orgrimmar Grunt Roams from Grommash Hold off into the Drag (R)

•1 Orgrimmar Grunt roams from inside the Drag to near 5th bonfire/Grommash Hold (R)

What to expect in Grommash Hold aka Thrall's Fortress!
Only NPC's over 10,000 health listed.

•Thrall (Health: 5578K) (This is the dude you want to kill.)

•Vol'jin (Health 5578K) (This guy poly morphs people so watch out.)

•Kor'kron Elite (Health: 25,200) (These are Thrall's personal guards and are elites.)

Where you will encounter these NPC's in Grommash Hold/Thrall's Fortress.

•There are 4 Kor'kron Elites at the main entrance of Grommash Hold. (S)

•There are 2-3 Korkron Elites at the first doorway once inside. (One roams.)

•In the room that Thrall is in there are 18 Korkron Elites and Vol'jin.

Now how's the best way to go about killing Thrall? The best AoE (Area of Effect) people need to AoE down the Kor'kron Elites then focus on killing Thrall, make sure Thrall is taking the max amount of damage possible. If you have any people who can silencing Vol'jin would prove to be useful.

Hope this helps in getting you a Black War Bear!
Tazia (REXXAR)

Kommentar von 620394

I just couldn't do this.. I'm an Alliance player but Thrall is such a nice guy my heart would break if I would even attack him, I feel a bit like that for Cairne as well, I wouldn't feel bad for killing the other Racial leaders of the Horde, in fact I'd feel proud.

Kommentar von 582957

what i liked to do before change

big alliance raid

cast bok on everyone in the throne room, heal thrall between raids, pick off healers and allies that dont really expect pvp

?

profit

Kommentar von 562880

OH MY GOD.... im so happy, in cata we dont have to kill the awesomeness that is thrall (yes, im mainly alliance, but he just is that awesome)

Kommentar von Ignjatwolf

I think Garrosh is going to be farmed since noone really likes him as a lore character.

Kommentar von 695502

People are willing to do anything for a fancy bear aperantly. Oh well, atleast Garrosh isn't as likeable as Thrall, so that is a pluss with the Cata change.

Kommentar von wagg1

mmm how do the alliance get this now as for thrall is in outlands now and Garrosh Hellscream is not pvp flaged and only has low HP for a boss
(well this is true as of writing this)

Kommentar von 513548

So now alliance has to kill Garrosh, who has 700k hp, damn they always give it easy to you.

Kommentar von 259313

The building Garrosh will be holed up in in new Orgrimmar is right next to the bank, auction house, and other frequented spots, so assuming all of the Horde in the city actually care about protecting him, killing him will generally prove to be a far more difficult task then killing Thrall was.

Kommentar von 671299

Have tried this ach two times in a row... How are the allies suppose to get Thrall? Are we not able to get it now but the Hordes can get theirs? That's not too fair is it?

Kommentar von nintendorichard

This is one achievement I'll definitely be getting.

Also, does the achievement for killing Thrall get turned into a Feat of Strength, or is it just removed?

Kommentar von Igniz

Think anybody can kill Garrosh now? 103M HP, same advisors as before, and basically in the center of all Horde player activity. Difficult much?

Kommentar von Flitzy

This achievement should be required for everyone - Horde and Alliance.

Die, Garrosh, Die. :3

Kommentar von 407078

Has anyone killed Garrosh since Cata dropped?

Kommentar von 786993

on my sever they tried to down him but they barely got him down to 90% too many horde came in with Gamon and it wasn't a pretty site to watch if your alliance that is.

Kommentar von kehwar23

if you get a tank, a ranged dps and a healer on the horde maybe you could get some help from Shandris Mondfeder

Kommentar von SimonEddie

seems a little far fetched to get him to the otherside of kalimdor, dont think it would help too much. we tried this ach today and i can say that it is not possible to do when it is in the middle of the day, horde ganked us.

Kommentar von onad

Been scouring the internets, but no word yet on whether anyone has been able to kill Garrosh post cata. Anybody know?

Kommentar von LordDeath

Finally managed to down Garrosh on Sunday. It was truly epic... but be prepared for the following:

Lag – Be sure to change the settings on your graphics to LOW!
Glitches – Unfortunately at this point, if you go in with two or more raid groups (overwhelming force is always good to have), only one raid group will get the achievement. Hopefully Blizzard will fix this soon.
Crashes – Although many people got disconnected during the battle, the high point was when the entire server went down. Luckily this did not happen until we were trying to down Sylvanas.

Hope this helps, happy raiding!

Kommentar von myt362450

Just had a great experience on Draenor Realm. Logged on alliance to see invites going out for hellscream so camped Og on my horde to watch the show. Alliance got slaughtered to much horde cheering who then decided to make a raid for the king of SW in a revenge attack with much whooping and hollering, so logged my ally to watch the return show. Mean while, alliance had re-grouped in SW and were now in the process of forming two raids for hellscream as one raid wasn't enough fire power, the horde attack came just as the raid groups were full and spectacularly got absolutely ganked..even though some alliance kept spamming "where is the King of SW" in trade. Over confident alliance immediately set of for Og so re-logged my horde which was still next to hellscream and watched two full alliance raid groups get slaughtered before they even got inside the building. Horde then deciding reprisals for this intrusion where required and began forming another assault on said holy land. I decided i had seen enough bloodshed for one night and logged out, but im sure the tit for tat battles were ragging well into the wee small hours.

Hellscream is a @#$%^ at any time but to try him at peak times is insane! It sure is fun to watch them try though.

Kommentar von Chummy62

My experience was epic, but did not result in a Garrosh kill. We had over 300 people in multiple Raid Groups attack Orgrimmar last night. Unfortunately for us, we crashed the server for Shadowmoon and did not complete this achievement. Had Garrosh to 27% and then everyone on Alliance died. It appeared that severe server lag prevented us from healing or resurrecting. Some have a different opinion and believe a Horde aligned GM was buffing defenders. Once the server came back up, Gorrosh had reset and the Horde had filled Garrosh's chamber with hundreds of people now alerted and ready to defend preventing any further attempts to down him. I can't wait for us to try this again.

Kommentar von andrewg

Got Hellscream on Grizzly Hills server between 1am and 1:30am server time with only a single raid group of 40 people. The best part was we attacked orgrimmar after downing the other 3 leaders. btw, is there any way to find out how many kills have been made on Hellscream since cata launched(for a specific server)?

Kommentar von 767692

Tried this sooo many times on my server..But seems no luck there's alot of hordes on my relam soo It's very hard to even get a hit a Garrosh and there's so much lag it's unbelievable

Kommentar von Thecanman

The Alliance most deserving of getting this achievement are likely the ones on my server. While Alliance outnumber Horde 1.2 to 1, the number of Horde in the area at any given time remains more-or-less the same everyday, and while lore-wise Garrosh is a bastard, they are eager to come to his defense. Crowd control the healers, the tank drops real fast, and the rest of the party is helpless. I don't think they've ever killed him yet.

At least in their efforts they've helped us get City Defender.

Kommentar von Jollygood

The Mists of Pandaria interviews and articles indicated that Garrosh is now the subject of a MoP raid coming up. This raid will be available to Horde and Alliance, indicating what an incredible jerk Garrosh is, even to the Horde-centric Blizzard developers.

Kommentar von Glink

Kind of an unfair fight for the Alliance, Garrosh's building is right in the middle of the Horde's equivalent of trade district so its right where everyone is and the Horde can easily defend.

However, Varian is off in the keep far away from trade district and even dwarven.

Kommentar von sivla

blizzard insider categorically stated off the record...this will be the last expansion and we want you to experience everything that went before from vanilla through tbc and wrath, which we never got right in the cataclysm expansion.

The end of Hellscream will be the final tale to be told in world of warcraft, there is nothing else, because we have told what we wanted to lore wise. all good things must eventually come to an end, and we just wish to say that it's better to be go out on a high and be remembered for what we did right.

The world of warcraft franchise is now 8 years old, and soon to be 9 in 2013, there comes to a time when volume vs content delivery becomes non viable.

In other words folks, the lack of players in the americas, Oceania and europe, no longer justifies the means to continue onwards, with an aging , now asian orientated grind mmo...they already have out stayed their welcome...there should have been a second wow, with far superior graphics and made by a competent team....

wow is a game and supposed to be fun...there is zero fun in forever grinding...everyone must grind rep or get left behind. But this is not just rep grinding...this is epic rep grinding to the point...it bores insanity.

Kommentar von MuriloNZ

Anyone know for sure whether we'll get this in 5.4 when killing him on normal mode? I have the other 3 bosses done for Für die Allianz! but haven't tried starting an Org group, since it's a lot of time / effort. Hoping to kill him on normal next patch and see the meta ding.

Kommentar von Meneth

Will killing Garrosh in the Siege of Orgrimmar unlock this achievement?

Kommentar von Discokoopa

Fortunately for all achievement hunters, Garrosh is kicking in his throne room even as of Patch 5.4 (devs thought about it, but kept him there in case of lower level quests and such).

Thus, you could kill him in this throne room just before raid time where he is found underground and in perfect health.

Kommentar von Elodeon

At this time (patch 5.4), the boss is not particularly difficult. Damage from Garrosh is minimal, he can easily be tanked by a pet, and the whirlwind does approximately nothing. The main challenge is the huge health pool, and the Horde giving you trouble.

We were able to complete this in a ragtag PuG with 2 healers, 2 DPS, and 1 tank. It took 40 minutes because the group's DPS was under 300k total.

It's doable with much less than I thought. The faction bosses are almost certainly going to be buffed again for WoD, so take advantage while you can.

Kommentar von Zajek

Why would anyone do Siege of Orgimmar? Do this, it's way more fun. I've done both, but the constant Horde players who lust for PVP makes it more fun than no Orgimmar guards jumping to help the Warchief. This should be classified as the Siege of Orgrimmar, not that crappy raid.

Kommentar von Lostelf

Achievement criteria changed to "Kill Vol'jin" as of Warlords of Draenor.

Kommentar von Sirvi

Hmm...reading the patch notes about this one...it now reads "Kill Vol'jin"

Kommentar von Paxis607

I went years hoping to finish this achievement. I finally found a group who was doing all 4 leaders. After helping with all the others, Blizzard's cross server protocols kept me from killing Garrosh. As soon as I entered Ogrimmar it phased me back to my server and left me watching the raid chat as I missed out.

Kommentar von unholydriver

~~As of 6.0.2, you be killin' ol' Vol'jin for dis achievement.~~

As of 7.0.3, Alliance must kill Hochfürst Saurfang for this achievement.

And if we could keep a warchief for more than two expansions, that'd be just lovely.

Kommentar von LadyEvee

I was in a raid group trying to get the "For the Alliance" Meta achievement and we left ole Vol'Jin for last. We had trouble with phasing issues and weren't able to go on with the achievement. We tried using a lock to summon us, walking in, flying over, and still not phasing the same. has anyone attempted this after patch 6.0.3? Any ideas?

Kommentar von maidendg

I wrote Bliz in the suggestion link about the 2 major cities being phased because of X-realm. They really don't need to be anymore since everyone hangs out in the Garrisons, Stormwind and Org are always empty. I have been trying to do this or the Horde version for a while now and cannot find people on my 2 realms to join. I want my bear! :(

Kommentar von Discokoopa

SPOILERS!

Yet again this talent was changed, this time for Legion.

Looks like Saurfang STILL refuses to die. That old warrior heart in him is immortal.

Kommentar von Jaxor

Saurfang gets bored and decides to take a nap after being interrupted by Alliance.

Kommentar von TehLucario

Renamed "Orgrimmar Offensive" in Legion. Damage High Overlord Saurfang until he humors you by pretending to die.

Kommentar von Yoco

They better put a god-tier reward on this achievement because there's no way in hell Alliance would even damage Saurfang. Unless he cleaves his own health bar.

Kommentar von Wuatdah

This achievement is the predecessor in Legion, being named "Orgrimmar Offensive" from it's original name (pre-Legion) "Death to the Warchief".

Kommentar von 1137831

Got this today, took a long time sitting in trade chat spamming for members to join but we did it eventually. Got it with x1 Tank, x1Heal and 13 DPS. Didnt take very long. It helped that Whisperwind/ Dentarg are low Horde pop. Its a shame that crossrealm makes this particular achievement a pain in the bum to get but you just need to persevere in trade/ LFG and you will get there.

Kommentar von Azqa

Lol, the new description is hilarious! :D

Kommentar von Qoko

As of 7.0.3, Varok Saurfang replaces Vol'jin as main boss in Orgrimmar with Sylvanas becoming Warchief. Up till this point, the orcs always provided the Warchief sans Vol'jin, but with Vol'jin already present in Grommash Hold he could simply step up to the position of Orgrimmar leader; officially, the orcs themselves had no leader in this period and simply followed Vol'jin's command.

The imo very humorous change to the 'Orgrimmar leader kill achievement' relates to the fact that Varok Saurfang has always been legendary to players specifically as his Cleave destroys everything. As a result, Saurfang could not be killed and would just destroy everyone attempting it, until he was no longer attackable.

As for this achievement, it is obtained after defeating Varok Saurfang... *cleaving sound*

Kommentar von Boncho

Hello. I am posting in patch 7.1.2 SO I was on moonguard and let me tell you ehehehe - Me and an alliance guild did undercity and silvermoon no problem, but when we tried to do orgrimmar, we wiped. 120 alliance died to suarfang. He blade storms and has no aggro (cant tank him) and he spins around dealing a ton of damage. My combat log shows i took 900k damage every .5 seconds with his blade storm lasting about 6 seconds. SO basically saurfang cant be tanked and to kill him you have to use massive bodies, bugs, or something. Anyways that's my experience.

Kommentar von MacPzesst

As of 7.0 this is just irksome to me.

Saurfang is supposedly unkillable (although easily beaten in a duel for the Warrior Arms skin) against an entire raid of Alliance that the questline lore has claimed each as individually being the best of their class in the entirety of Azeroth. But Anduin (trained as a Paladin, yet fights like a Priest) is killable and his bubbles only absorb damage instead of granting immunity like they used to. It would make more sense for him to Immunity bubble at 1% and make that the achievement, especially since he has always been a pacifist in favor of peace between the Horde and Alliance.

Alliance doesn't even face the current Warchief, but Horde kills the King? I should be Greymane they're fighting anyway since he's the current leader of the Alliance military like Saurfang is. I like Saurfang and had great respect for Vol'jin, but come on, at least TRY to hide some of the favoritism.

Kommentar von Peredhil

As of BfA prepatch this achievement was moved into Legacy category. The meta for the mount requires only the other 3.

Kommentar von Icarui

I don't think he's pretending anymore.

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