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Kommentar von 17974

That's absurd, the same logic goes for replacing offhands

Mace itemization NEEDS this tbh

Kommentar von 32660

I am really thinking that even more than rogues and warriors this would be great for a dual-wielding shammy. Using this with the Mongoose enchant and Windfury would make some ungodly dps...but I do have a question.

I know you can only use one of a unique; would it be possible to use 2 uniques that came from the same line? i.e., Dragonstrike and Drogonmaw. Both of these have that wonderful Haste proc....your offhand might have less damage, but it IS your offhand, and if you had Mongoose on both of them, that would seem to me to be the best possible setup for a shammy.

That's assuming that Dragonmaw and Dragonstrike do not count as the same unique.

Kommentar von noggtalnivarr

This very nice mace is crafted by having blacksmithing and being a Master Hammersmith.
You can upgrade the mace as you progress in the game. Getting the first level
simply require you to farm all the mats and getting the skill required. The second step
and last requires quite a bit more than that.

The first step - Drakefist Hammer (BS 350 skill)
https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28437

The second step - Dragonmaw (BS 375 skill)
https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28438

- The hard part here is the Primal Nether which can be found in both
normal and heroic raids. They are not so common in normal mode though.

The third and last step - Dragonstrike (BS 375 skill)
https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28439

Kommentar von 34500

Ok...I answered my question from before about DragonStrike or Wicked Edge of the Planar.

Assuming it procs 1.4 times per minute like what someone recorded of its Step 1 version, DragonStrike does about 6012.4 dmg/min. (Since the Planar axe gets slightly buffed stats each upgrade, DragonStrike may also have more proc/min than its downgraded version, I do not know)

Wicked Edge of the Planar, however, does about 5988.9 dmg/min.

HOWEVER, since I'm a fury warrior, if I spam my Bloodthirst ability whenever the CD is up, with the AP from Wicked Edge I can do another 212.4 dmg/min, leaving me at a total of 6201.3 dmg/min with the Wicked Edge of the Planar.

The 2nd half also accounted for the +crit on Wicked Edge.

Possible faults with logic:
You don't generate enough rage with Wicked Edge to hit Bloodthirst everytime CD is up.
The proc on DragonStrike allows you to generate more rage, which you CAN use for Bloodthirst whenever CD is up (among other things).
The proc/min on DragonStrike is different than its Step 1 version. This could be possible as the stats on the Planar Axes go up as you upgrade.

No, I will not be showing my math. Don't believe me, do it yourself.

Kommentar von 8620

How would this fare for a prot pally? Considering that reckoning and seal of the crusader would add greatly to it. I'm just surprised not to see more up here regarding some other classes who would use this.

Kommentar von Torgani

Am I missing something or are all the crafted weapons pretty much useless for prot or holy pally?

Aren't hammers supposed to be for pallies thematically? It'd be nice if one out of the 6 Master Weaponsmith BoP weapons was actually good for a pally build other than retrib.

I like my Khorium set, but other than that, it seems like Blacksmithing is not that great a choice for a paladin.

Kommentar von 51898

Is the Haste Rating proc enough of a dps increase to use (for ex.) Dragonstrike + Gladiator's Bonecracker or Gladiator's Shiv combo > (for ex.) Talon of Azshara + Blazefury/guard or Gladiator's slicer combo? For a combat specced rogue, using combat potency.

Kommentar von Vego

i have this baby, now i need offhand from BT trash

Kommentar von 61428

Only 10 stamina and 6.5dps extra for 5 Nether Vortex's? Thats a pretty expensive upgrade that doesnt give you it back.

The Nether Vortex's drop in high end 25 man raids.

Kommentar von 59020

this with blackout truncheon , mongoose enchant on both , dragonspine trophy , abascus of violent odds , rogue d3 assassination set , slice and dice on , bladeflurry , all of the above item proccing , equals fast as hell attacks and white damage feast :)

Kommentar von 46845

what a waste of my time, i level up BS to make these maces, working on the 2nd one atm and then bam season 2 gladiator stuff hits.

their is no chance in hell that i'd ever get 5 vortexs so 2nd upgrade was what i had to look forward to, now with the new glad MH mace its basically just as good as dragonstrike.. i know you lose haste but you gain 27sta, some hit, crit ap and res for 13less dmg and .1spd i dont think thats to huge of a difference and if your like me and have no chance at vortex's.. your going for the 2nd verison which is now pointless because you can simply grind 2k arena points and get a mace with 330dmg and the stats listed above

my opinion.. a waste of my time and gold seeing how i leveled without dropping my enchanting nice one blizzard.
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/item-info.xml?i=32026

Kommentar von TheRaven

This weapon has the 4th highest top end in game. The best being
1: Warglaive of Azinoth (https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=32837)
2: Syphon of Nathrezim (https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=32262)
3: Rod of the sun King (https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=29996)
4: Wicked edge of the Planes (https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28433)
4: And this mace

Of the 4 i would only use 1,4,4 As a fury warrior.

Kommentar von 61362

I completely agree with TheRaven. Even more considering that with top end "Haste" gear and the 212 haste active heroic strike would be more effective considering the speed (and the top end damage). Rage generation shouldn't even be a problem even while spamming Heroic strike. The effective dps increase would be substantial

Kommentar von 62037

I am currently 3 Vortex's away from this mace. I have the 2nd tier atm and I have to say the haste proc lands frequently and really does a lot of dmg especially if your running SnD at the time, which ofc every rogue should know, SnD is part of your DPS cycle. I havent gone for much else in the way of haste gear but my DPS goes through the roof when this procs alongside SnD, Warp Spring Coil, Timeglass and Mongoose.

Cant wait to get my second Mongoose enchant done, have saved the enchant on my MH because I am so close to the third tier.

Kommentar von 62037

Crafted Last night and added a mongoose enchant. The enchant make the item look really sweet as it does with all weapons really.

Have done some insane dmg with this. The 2.8k crit SS against a human rogue was the most memorable, I can jsut imagine that player watching his health bar and thinking 'Oh F**k' lol.

But anyway, really impressed with this, been waiting a while for my last vortexs to drop and had 2 in the space of 2 mob groups leading up to Leotheras last night. I think you can imagine my reaction at the time =D

Kommentar von 62037

Will have to get procc watch or something in order to count the procs, however its very frequent.

Kommentar von 34738

Been hemo with this baby over at PTR.
She's a beauty...
Just too bad I can't get one on live :(

Kommentar von 62037

DST is not a popping trinket, its a passive chance on hit proc. Abacus can be popped at the same time.

Kommentar von 73121

whats the proc rate?!+

Kommentar von Kallikrates

The Off-Hand was wrong, this is the correct list:

With the following Items it is possible to get exactly 1,050 Haste Rating (which equates to precisely 100%). Note: The Items Linked are for a Warrior because I was researching for my own.

Permanent: 253 Haste Rating
On Proc: 537 Haste Rating
On Use: 260 Haste Rating
Total: 1,050 Haste Rating (100%)

Head: N/A
Neck: N/A
Shoulders: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=32570
Back: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=32665
Chest: N/A
Wrist: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=32568
Hand: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=32608
Waist: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=30915
Legs: N/A
Feet: N/A
Finger: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=32526
Finger: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=32526
Trinket: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28830
Trinket: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28288
Main Hand: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28439
Off Hand: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=32943
Ranged: N/A

1,050 Haste is achieved with both the Dragonspine Trophy and Dragonstrike proccing at the same time and the Abacus of Violent Odds being popped.
Please mark down the first list.

Kommentar von 44372

With the current haste model this weapon is right on par with S2 weapons and talon of ashzara for PVE DPS. When the haste wants to proc a lot I find myself pushing well ahead of our S2 sword rogue. However, with the up and coming nerf to haste in 2.2 this weapon will no longer come close to these alternatives.

It will be a sad day for all of us that spent thousands of gold to level blacksmithing, running instances for all those nethers, and spending DKP on vortexes only to now have a weapon that is garbage.

At least I can get 12 gold for it at the vendor, now i just need 3000 more to replace the rest of the gold I wasted.

Kommentar von 51248

This weapon is a cruel joke for hemo.

Seeing that the formula for hemo is

Modifier = (Attack Power / 14) * Weapon speed (Reduced by the haste buff)
Lethality = 2 + (0.06 * Lethality Rank)

Normal Hemorrhage Damage = Modifier + Weapon Damage
Critical Hemorrhage Damage = Normal Hemorrhage Damage * Lethality

(As according to wowwiki)

So as your weapon speed goes down with the buff so does your hemo damage.

Its basically the same thing as the paladin seal that increases your attack speed but reduces your damage.

Kommentar von 76379

Well the proc rate has gone down as of 2.2. And the proc is less effective.

Still, I think Dragonstrike is probably the best MH wep you can get as Fury until BT/Hyjal. The mace off KT is comparable I guess but nothing else is IMO.

Kommentar von 70388

This mace makes me switch to blacksmitter.Its insane.

Kommentar von 100336

I love dragonstrike, plus I just obtained the Talon Of Azshara for my one hand, it dropped 4 resets in a row for us, GG.

I am a fury warrior btw, and until I see something I like more, I am sticking with the Talon.

Dual wielding two slow weapons is the way to go as of 2.3, WW hits with both weapons, sweeping strikes, and permanent threat reduction. I haven't gone below number 3 in every raid and I am still able to keep my threat down. I am usually behind a warlock with 1800 shadow damage raid buffed = /

Kommentar von Googles

Vengeful Gladiator's Pummeler https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=33733 is better than this for PvP.

Kommentar von 61362

Actually Current Spreadsheets for Fury Warriors tend to place DragonStrike well above the s3 weapons. Haste still is supreme for a Fury warrior. White dps is roughly 60-70% and haste improves that by all that much. Also faster attack speed will generate more rage through talent points thus more DPS.
Next Patch Vortexes will be avaible for 10 badges of justice and 13 gold.

Kommentar von 134003

Could anyone give me a rough estimate on how much it would cost to level your blacksmithing from 0 to 375 and make the maces? I'd really appreciate if some one gave me a serious answer :).

Kommentar von mynameisob3l

i spent about 1600g going form 0-375. bought a lot of ore. if you have a miner alt you could save a lot, but time is money ;)

Kommentar von 47259

My own paladin isn't there yet, but I wondered how this would do for paladin tanking?

My other options would be the sword, or the arena maces.

Kommentar von Rakusu

One-hand on 2.4.2 PTR, along with the lesser versions.

Kommentar von 151658

2.4.2 Live: The haste does not stack, it refreshes only and seems to proc more often.

Kommentar von 151899

I was wondering what everyone though for a fury warrior PVE end game dps, Dual Dragonstrikes or the badge vendor Fist weapons would be better dps. I crafted and enchanted a 2nd DS but I'm hesitant to drop the 105 badges, what you guys think?

Kommentar von 66049

new patch they are one handed and non unique, and thus can be dual wielded. still not as good of an option as the badge fists however

Kommentar von TarALFA

Two Dragonstrikes tested at the immortal 60+ mage in DM North (after the King)
Here is uptime for "Haste" buff collected with "Uptime Meter" addon
Before 2.4.2 one Dragonstrike was tested and i got 30% uptime.
So with second Dragonstrike you just get (45%-30%)*13.44 ~ 2% haste
Waste of money
--------------------------------------------
The reason is: 20sec without buff, then 3-4 buffs in a row within 5sec. And total buff time not 40sec, but only 14-15 seconds. After that again 20sec without buff etc

Kommentar von Lobo2me

Haste rating increases your attack speed.

You take your total haste rating, divide by 1570, add this number to 1, and then divide your attack speed with the number you got. So for a 2.6 attack speed weapon with 212 haste rating you get 13.5% extra attack speed, which means your new attack speed will be 2.6 / 1.135 = 2.29.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Haste for more reading.

Kommentar von 100627

Now that you can equip both of them I wonder whats the best enchant to go with these two? In my 1st its been Mongoose should I put mongoose on the 2nd or should I put something else like executioner or something really different for this combo?

Kommentar von znoxx

Although these maces offer great dmg and what seems to be an awesome proc I have to disappoint you all.

I DW these now and the proc rate is awfully low, it's not worth the sacrifice in stats if you ask me. I would rather go for the badge ones because the money invested to level Blacksmithing and gathering mats for this weapon is a waste of time, ty blizz.

Kommentar von 100627

Well I tried both of these with Mongoose and it rocks in PVP. I don't notice the procs coz I don't have addons to monitor it but I do notice the DAMAGE it does. I've been giving crits to squishies and geared players from 1,200 to 1,900 and the occasional 2k or beyond crit. As a mace spec fury warrior I'm lovin every minute of it. Now I understand why Blizz had to make this weapon a unique mainhand only weapon in the past.

Kommentar von takayaro

minor question... if you have the lower version and upgrade it to the next version, will it keep the enchants on 'em or will you loose 'em?

IE: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28438 with https://www.wowhead.com/cata/spell=27984
upgraded into https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28439.

Does the enchant get deleted? If so, that's sucks to enchant the lower and find more mats for the upgrade to be enchanted again.

PS. Not sure if this has already been answered previously.

Kommentar von wingman

Can someone clarify whether the procs from wielding 2 of those stack? (And therefore give 424 haste if both proc at the same time) Or whether it just refreshes the haste buff?

There were some people saying each method in the posts above.

Kommentar von 163435

As a fury warrior dual wielding these (executioner mainhand, mongoose offhand), I find them quite exeptional. The 212 haste proc refreshes on a decent level, and wit more white hits, the proc AND flurry are up more often, resulting in a 2.70 weapon to be below 2.00 for a considerable amount of time for boss fights or just grinding.

Some would complain that these weapons offer no actual stagnant dps stats, so an alternative could be Dragonstrike mh with executioner and the badge fist weapon offhand weapon. At 2.5 weapon speed, it's a tad bit fast for my taste, but if you put mongoose on it, it could be a good 2nd choice because of more procs.

As for the cost of these weapons, if you aren't already a blacksmith, the mats for 2 AND leveling blacksmithing to 375 could cost you thousands of gold depending on your server. But honestly, dual wielding one of the biggest one-handed maces in game does look pretty sick :)

Kommentar von 154914

Is this worth dualwielding?

Kommentar von 83611

As a t6 raiding Enhancement Shaman I still haven't upgraded from Dragonstrike to another weapon. Currently all the available math (including extensive simulations performed with Crazy Shaman's DPS & AEP calculator by Yo) suggests that this weapon only has a single-digit DPS disadvantage (~4 dps in my simulations) when compared to any tier 6 main hand. This includes the badge vendor weapons. Field testing against my s3 main hand axe either confirms these numbers or even suggests they may be underestimating the proc's overall DPS value.

Given these results I am still using Dragonstrike in Sunwell and have no plans to replace it until either s4 or Hand of the Deceiver become available to me.

-X

Kommentar von 158713

frankly it really depends on what your going for.
the badge weapons i agree, without other items or talents considered, are much better.
the proc on these however makes them (depending on your luck of course) a much higher DPS than the fists... but only during a proc.

also, if you stack haste, these proc more often, means more dps, and a more significant gain over the badge weapons, however just with normal T4~ gear the fist are IMO of course far better.

not just saying this because i use two, just saying that for a haste stacker, these in the end will hit much harder.

Kommentar von gakuto

Dragonstrike is effectively about 110 DPS when the haste proc is up, which is comparable to S4 weapons. But the proc rate isn't as high so it averages out pretty close to about 100 DPS.

Kommentar von 58228

I'm not very good at math, and I haven't played WoW in over a year, but I'm planning on coming back pretty soon and want to have an idea of what I'm going to do gear-wise when I come back. Is Dragonstrike superior to Vanir's Right Fist for a dwarf fury warrior? Also, how do each compare to Syphon of the Nathrezim? Thanks for your help.

Kommentar von 222584

I don't know whether to make the switch from Prot to Fury when I get to 70 and I don't know whether to duel wield. How much are the mats?

Kommentar von 222584

Is it worth making this over the first version?

Kommentar von 223131

i am looking for some good weapons and i am thinking about this mace. can i still dualwield it? and is it better then stormherald if i am a master hammersmith? thx helpers

Kommentar von Archangel76

It's just a shame that Blizz took away unique weapons like this one and others for blacksmiths in WotLK.
It took a lot of the fun out of blacksmithing and made it very vanilla.

Kommentar von Gulanga

Wow.
Two of these in combo with the Dragonstalker set just looks very right.

(click view in 3d)

Kommentar von Krix007

The weapon can still be made, but only by someone who already knew the recipe before the change. Don't do what I did and forget that it's BoP. Spent a few thousand gold on the mats then realized it's impossible for me to get...

Kommentar von ElLual29

Would be nice with mogging coming if they took some of the more unique models and made them BoE.

Kommentar von sirjohn2

They should def make the BS weapons come back. I mean all the other prof's got to keep their special armor and stuff, why take these out?

Kommentar von foolotto

For those blacksmiths lucky enough to have learned the pattern this will be a fantastic weapon for transmogrification . A huge 1H mace with a molten, menacing dragon's head. Very apropos for tanking Deathwing.

Kommentar von 896835

I wonder if there is a way to petition for Blizzard to bring these back for transmogrification. This mace is literally the only one i found to be cool enough to go with my Merciless Gladiator set. Sucks that they were ever removed.

Kommentar von Arakaine

Don't make the same mistake I did and buy all of the mats for all three tiers (Drachenfaust, Drachenmal and this) before checking to see if the pattern is still trainable for transmorg purposes. As of 12-8-2011, it is not available on any trainer due to the removal of Weaponsmith and Armorsmith specializations in Patch 4.0.1. I submitted a ticket and was told that the designers are aware of this oversight but unfortunately the GM had no ETA for a fix. I really wanted to stand out with such a unique item model. :(

Kommentar von Sykoo

Well my warrior was one of the fortunate ones to make one of these items back during BC. And I stored it in my bank at the time after I stopped using it because the mats were obsurd to farm at the time and I thought they were bringing the blacksmithing specialties back into the game at some point.. So this item will be for sure getting those maces from Endtime transmog'd. Gotta love being a packrat. Will post a screen shot when I finish leveling the toon to 85. Just hit 82 a few minutes ago.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Im wondering, since it doesnt say its unique equipped or main hand can you use 2 of them at the same time? and /drool at triple windfury critness

Edited, Jun 30th 2008 3:15pm by Slavious

Kommentar von Allakhazam

i´ll get it and pawn u all in 2 secs.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Awesome weapon indeed, combine this whit the haste trinket Dragonspine Trophy and/or the
weapon Blackout Truncheon, and a fury warrior will do insane damage,

Not only since the warrior will benefit from the pure white damage, speed
increase, but also flurry (30% attackspeed increase) will make youre attack
speed even faster.

Dragonspire trophy: 325 haste rating, 15.8 haste rating = 1 % attackspeed. so:
325 / 15.8 = 20.57%
Blackout truncheon: 132 haste rating, / 15.8 haste rating = 8.35 %
And Finally Dragonstrike: 200 / 15.8 = 12.66 %

Lets say it procs in this order while flurry is on, Blackouttruncheo -> dragonstrike -> trinket:
2.7 x 0.7(100 - 30 percent of flurry) = 1.89
1.89 x 0.9165(100% - 8.35%/100) = 1.73
1.73 x 0.8734(100% - 12.66%/100) = 1.51
1.51 x 0.7943(100% - 20.57%/100) = 1.20!

so youre speed goes from 2.70 to 1.20 suppose it all procced like this.

And the one reason its better for a warrior then for any other class, the extra
hits provided by these items, give the warrior extra rage generation from those hits,
able to do alot more damaging abilities. Increasing damage greatly.

Also heroic strikes and cleaves are on next swing, Spam away!

Edited, Mar 2nd 2007 12:50am by basvegter

Kommentar von Allakhazam

If you somehow get this baby to proc twice in less than 10 seconds .. will it stack with itself to be 400 haste rating for a little while?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Wow, 2k crits with a 1h? That is going to be nuts...

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Look for me and my new 'toy' on the undermine server soon...If you dare.

Name: Djiinn
Lvl: 54
Race: Undead
Class: Rouge
Server: Undermine

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Just got mine tonight :)

Gogo enhancement shammys, right? =D

Aggramar
Alliance
Noesis
<Qualinesti Blood Guard>

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I dropped both my professions to get this ~ currently working on it, Such a beefy item, I'm quite excited to get it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/DarkShadowz/Dragonstrike2.jpg
Screen shot.

Edited, Feb 27th 2007 1:35am by Stare

Kommentar von Allakhazam

edit: double post

Edited, Apr 15th 2007 1:32pm by roflmaoeleven

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Your Hemorrhage hits mob for 750 damage ever 3.5 seconds

You win

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Hmm, that mace as MH and Schlagstock der Ohnmacht as OH, oh boy if those 2 proc at the same time while you have SnD and BF up. <3

Kommentar von Allakhazam

All i say is Slice and Dice,Dragonspine Trophy,Blade fury and i pawn you for 2 sec....

Kommentar von Allakhazam

who cares about attack speed, this thing melts faces! would be nice
if they put some more stats on it, a red socket and +20-30 fire damage.
But i guess ill have to keep dreaming :p Nether vortex has dropped so
not long til someones running round with this:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/vortex.jpg

Kommentar von Allakhazam

334 top-end! This is gonna be huge, flurry/proc + bloodlust will be huge with such a high DPS weapon. :O

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Imagine a Tripple Windfury Crit with this sweety

Kommentar von Allakhazam

After some research, I came to the conclussion this baby is actually worth the dropping of both my proffesions just to pick up Blacksmithing and Mining ^^.

Will be very hard to get it though - but hey! I'd kill for this thing.
Hemo here I come ;p

Kommentar von Allakhazam

This thing's going to be insane
I'm using that blue fist weapon from Arcataz and get 800+ white crits (unbuffed).
Imagine the damage this will do with almost 100 more top-end

Kommentar von Thottbot

Master Hammersmith Enhancement Shaman

Abacus of Violent Odds (+260 Haste)
Drakefist Hammer (+200 Haste)
Bloodlust (+30% Haste)
Flurry (+30% Haste)

That's a massive amount of haste for me. I get my hammers down so close to a 1 flat hit rate.
That mixed with Windfury is madness.

Can't wait to upgrade to Dragonmaw and get Mongoose (Increase Agility +120 and attack speed slightly) enchant on it.

God knows what kind of hell Ill do with this stage.

Kommentar von Thottbot

CRAZY WPN!

Kommentar von Thottbot

mage weapon

Kommentar von Thottbot

As of Patch 2.4 the Nether Vortex will be purchasable with Badges. The cost ranges around 15 Badges and 7g per Nether Vortex. Time to do some Kara's!

Kommentar von Thottbot

anyone know if the proc chance increases as u upgrade it from tier 1 to 2 and 3

Kommentar von Thottbot

I have dragonstrike as main hand and Season one off hand mace as combat mace rogue both are mongoose enchanted and when the Dragonstrike procs with double mongoose + Slice and dice and Bladeflury My speed goes down to 1.5/0.83 awesome DPS and seriuosly kicks ass add that to the mace stun + normal rogue stuns well opponent is dead what can i say.
well worth the effort I went to for it!

Kommentar von Thottbot

Apparently this baby will become "One hand" and non-unique in next patch.

Kommentar von Thottbot

i got this as main hand and s1 offhand for my rogue , i got a hunter/druid for pve that i raid alot with and i want this rogue to be only pvp .

now im only talking arena wise . should i dual wield these babies or focus on s1-2-3 upgrades ?

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