Kommentare

Kommentar von Lawkstarz

N.b. As of 7/29/2013 (ptr) this vanity item does allow the collection of Blutige Münzes, has an instant cast time, half the cooldown time for reapplication (5 minutes), and does not reduce your health once cast. However, you will Not be Neutral with the mobs of the island as you are with using Rauchbrenner der ewigen Pein. For the sake of farming rares and items on the island I will continue to use Rauchbrenner der ewigen Pein.

Perhaps they will add the same neutral aspect before 5.4 goes live but I wanted to post this forewarning before you get side tracked farming 50 Blutige Münzes for it.

Kommentar von knugen

Will this item be usable in Battlegrounds? As there are no restrictions in the Use effect as to where it can be used. Would be great if someone could confirm the fact and post it on here. Everyone would benefit from that information. Also, if I'm grouped with some other players, will they also be hostile to me or will it be like in the Darkmoon/Stranglethorn Arena where you can't attack party members? Please confirm and share! =)

Kommentar von Netherspark

This item allows you to collect Blutige Münze from PVP kills anywhere and without being hostile to your own faction. You are now guaranteed to recieve a coin on killing blow, and the cooldown is reduced to just 10 minutes. These changes make it virtually identical to the pre-nerf Rauchbrenner der ewigen Pein - the only differences being you can't kill your own faction, that you can use it anywhere and that it does not debuff the victim with Ordos geopfert.

The price has also been greatly reduced, from 50 Blutige Münze to a miniscule 100 Zeitlose Münze.

With Timeless Isle fading from current content and the Censer receiving nerfs, this serves as its open-world replacement and will likely be the only meaningful way of obtaining Bloody Coins after MoP.

Kommentar von 1132470

With a 10min duration and 60min cooldown it will be difficult to get the title "Fire-Watcher", through regular pvp only, as opposed to Timeless Isle world pvp. If the 30% is on killing blows. That means you need 30'000 Killing Blows in bgs under that buff! Being 1/6 of the time. That equals to 180'000 Killing Blows in normal pvp. Which itself equals to about half a millions hks for a decent player. That's barely what I got on my character from 2009 to 2013.

Yes Timeless Isle, but I'm not gonna be PvPing on that isle. Granted with 10% health only, it will be a blood bath.
But it's not worth dying for this title, "Fire-Watcher X", not that good. Why would you want to watch a fire ? And you certainly don't want to tell the enemy you're watching a fire.

Kommentar von Amulrei

Terrible item and not worth the price.

Prevents mounting and the drop rate of coins is a joke (nowhere near the 30% quoted below). You can go the entire 10 minute window making steady kills and not netting a single coin.

Save your coins. This item is a real lemon.

Kommentar von Arktikoss

Maybe someone knows, this one marked the killed target with the debuff Ordos geopfert (like Censer of Eternal Agony) or not?

Kommentar von wiqq

If you are to cheap , you buy the item use it, sell if back for the full price , go in a battleground ;)
but well.. 50coins when you need 10000 i dont see the probleme for 50 more or less
have done 3 bg's with the buff ( 10 min uptime ) got 0 coins.. not realy happy about it but well.. wait and see

Kommentar von khader91

good luck or congratulations to you if you get this on a pve server, people (on my server at least) will group and basically raid group you if you use the censor, and since they fixed it to where you and a friend cant just keep killing each even though they implemented the debuff it's nigh impossible to get on a pve server :/ oh well theres another mushan beast i wont be receiving be nice if blizz would actually do a pvp thing like this properly one can dream i suppose

Kommentar von Haliri

I have an important question:
Does the CD reset in arena?, if so, that would give me the possibility of grinding those 500 I need for the mount in the arena I do anyway.

Kommentar von 1145025

Just wanted to say that this item does infact turn you into a yaungol, with the same red, translucent effect as the censer. Might be worth getting for any transformation item collectors :P

Kommentar von Alisrafil

Could anyone confirm if you need the killing blow to get the coin? Or do all HKs count?

Kommentar von Kaitain

This item is nearly useless for getting coins from Battlegrounds. I just bought it and used it in a WSG.
The result was:
- We seemed to be dominating the BG immediately so I used the item
- You can't mount, when you are transformed. Really.
- We won 3/0 and I got 78 HKs, 16 KBs (Kill Shot ftw)
- I received 1 coin.

Kommentar von 903560

do it have to be lvl 90 that u kill? dont say anything about lvl would be sweet if u could clean some ally start area

Kommentar von Dusktide

Edit: The buff and cooldown both last 10 minutes as of 5.4.8

Kommentar von Mibo

It's pretty usefull. Just use it, go around and get killingblows with Censer of Eternal Agony. But when the buff has run out, go up and sell it again and get your coins back. That way you can get extra coins without losing any.

Kommentar von pigpigpig

You can mount if you have an item that changes your appearance like Handlanger Peins Messingkompass or Reif des zeitverlorenen Seefahrers (there are many others as well).

Kommentar von 1096108

you can always buy it use it and refund it it then que for bg's i went 20kb's and only got 2 coins so 10% is about right

Kommentar von beardric

I can't believe you need KBs for this to work. I guess they don't want any healers to farm coins.

Kommentar von Mirri

EDIT : This comment is no longer true as of Oct, 31 - Hotfixes to the 6.0.3 patch include this :

- Druid shapeshift forms should now override the transformation from Fire-Watcher's Oath.

Well, it was fun while it lasted :'(

This is one of the very few transformation items that aren't affected by Druid's Shapeshifting. Whatever form you've morphed into, you will still have the Yaungol skin - and the buff won't be removed, great item for confusing your opponents, especially as a Feral ^^

Kommentar von plath

Sometime since 5.4.1 though it may have been a hotfix, the drop rate on the coins has clearly increased. It seems a lot closer to the 30% originally reported. I was getting 10% up until very recently, but now I've been getting more coins long enough that it can't be a fluke. It's got to be an undocumented change.

Kommentar von Entilzha2161

While this item may suck, one has to consider that if you wish to get the 500 coins needed for the mount, and they're not easily farmed on PVE realms without many people flagged, it's highly possible many will not get there in time before new content is released and the island is largely empty, making it essentially impossible to find flagged people to kill.

I've also noticed that the droprate for Bloody Coins on Darkmoon Island, during Moonfang Kills, is much higher than elsewhere. Could be rng but it's happened quite a bit so worth using on a Moonfang kill.

Kommentar von averagehero

Although you DO need the killing blow for a chance at a coin, your target doesn't need to award honor.
I had my friend create a new Alliance toon and met him at a graveyard, and killed him as fast as he could rez for the 10 mins of the buff. Here's the numbers we got:

Coins / Kills
12 / 112 (10.7%)
6 / 114 (5.3%)
7 / 110 (6.4%)
13 / 114 (11.4%)
15 / 115 (13.0%)
12 / 115 (10.4%)
8 / 114 (7.0%)
11 / 115 (9.6%)
10 / 114 (8.8%)
13 / 114 (11.4%)

Total: 107 / 1137 (9.4%)

Sometimes I would get 3 or 4 coins within 10 kills. Often, I'd go 20-25 kills without a coin.

Since the buff from this item DOES NOT PERSIST THROUGH DEATH, "honorable" PvP risks losing the buff and having to wait for the 60 min CD. If you can't safely kill upwards of 20 players in the 10 min buff duration, you risk wasting the CD for no coins.

Because of these drawbacks, the item encourages "griefing." You could go find a large gathering of lowbies to slaughter, but since you need such high kill numbers to produce a decent coin yield, spawn-camping is probably going to prove much more efficient and safer. Either way, "dishonorable" PvP is the most effective use of this item, and is going to be a solid choice for players on PvE or low-pop servers.

I understand that farming coins is otherwise restrained to Timeless Isle; being able to farm them anywhere else in the world, while not having to turn on your own faction, makes this item potentially very powerful, and it needs drawbacks to keep it balanced. Increasing the drop rate, increasing the duration, decreasing the cooldown, or having the buff persist through death are all simple changes that could keep the item fair, while increasing the item's appeal and giving players an ("honorable") alternative to spending months on the Timeless Isle.

Kommentar von YersiniaPestis

I was wondering if the Ordos geopfert debuff prevented all earning of Blutige Münzes, or if Eid des Feuerwächters would still allow a person to gain them.

To test this, I did the following:

Enlisted a willing guinea pig, and had them flag. (We were the same faction, PvE server)
I used Rauchbrenner der ewigen Pein, killed them, and received a Blutige Münze.
The person rezzed as I then used Eid des Feuerwächters.
I killed the person (now with Ordos geopfert) again and received another Blutige Münze!

I'm not sure how helpful this is to most people, but as I was curious, I decided to post it in case others found it useful.

Kommentar von XhumeBDF

It is possible to use this and kill low levels through ganking, you will still get bloody coins.

Kommentar von megafierce

As someone who has two accounts on the same PvP server, I found farming with the Oath to be faster than with the Censer.

Take a low-level, opposite-faction character to a deserted graveyard. Have your high-level use the Oath, then kill the low level repeatedly, with them continually using the spirit rez. I ended up using the full ten minutes shooting down a level 50 warrior and got 17 coins - far faster than killing your target and waiting ten minutes before you can get a second coin from them.

Obviously, the Censer will be faster on a populated PvP server... but otherwise, I'd highly recommend the Oath, if you can find someone to take the hits for you.

Edit: nerfed to the ground. Not only does the Censer only work with level 90 characters now, but it will often apply the Sacrificed to Ordos debuff.

Kommentar von moseskarada

Looks like they just altered the CD's on this to be 10 minutes and increased the censer to 60 minutes. Looks like Blizzard wants to encourage bg farming instead of Timeless Isle farming. Or at least opposite faction farming.

Kommentar von Saberia

Now it costs 100 Timeless Coins and has 10 minute cooldown, can be used while mounted, no longer has internal cooldown on giving coins and has 100% chance to give coins.

It grants coins ~~regardless of target level~~ if you kill players if your level or above. It ignores "honorless target" debuff. It does not give debuff.

Get your level 90 friend of opposite faction to graveyard, remove all his gear and repeatedly kill him. He should resurrect at spirit healer after each death. It should grant you a coin every few seconds.

Kommentar von Brophecy

This item now has a 10 Minute cool down due to a secret Hotfix released 6/11/14.

Here is a blue post about the changes:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13140404016

Kommentar von maely

Without the 10-sec ICD now, I am able to farm more than 60 coins/hour by graveyard camping a L1 alt on a second account.
So you're still looking at ~9 hours for the mount.

On the bright side, however, you might as well use it in your BGs now due to the 10min CD, especially Isle of Conquest. Also, as of June 12th, you CAN now mount while using this item. (This is a very recent change.

Kommentar von Hohen666

Now costs 100 Zeitlose Münze and has 10min CD.
It is along with a stealth nerf of Rauchbrenner der ewigen Pein that now has 1hours CD. This nerf may be the solution Blizzard has found to prevent us from farming coins at the timeless isle alongside with giving us an opportunity for farming it - ~~with at least 10 times more effort and pain~~ - when WoD comes out.

EDIT: Now has a 100% drop rate from PvP kill and allows mount. (Possibly a stealth patch again since I did not hear of it until when I tried again)

Kommentar von Tronski

To recap what others have said and to add my own bit of information to this:

This item now costs 100 timeless Coins, got a 10 min cd, and the 10 sec ICD has been removed. At the moment it still works on lvl 1 characters.

Kommentar von Mormolyce

Hotfix! Costs 100 Timeless coins and only a 10 minute CD!

Kommentar von Prales

It may be worth noting that shifting into Druid Reisegestalt removes the effect. Other Druid shape-shifting doesn't seem to affect it.

Kommentar von SnowyIVu

This item now has a 10 minute duration and a 10 minute buff, and the Internal Cooldown has all but been removed.

Which means if you want bloody coins as fast as possible you're going to want this macro:

/run RepopMe()AcceptXPLoss()

Step 1: Create a trial account or log on whatever alt account you have access to.
Step 2: With the alt account, run a character of the opposite faction into a neutral zone with all of its gear in the bank.
Step 3: Kill the alt with your main right next to the spirit rez.
Step 4: Take the spirit rez with the alt manually once, then start using the macro above.
Step 5: Something Something Multi-boxing Tons of Alts, Same button as your non-targeted AoE spell.
Step 6: ?
Step 7: Profit

Edit: Looks like Blizz caught on pretty fast and hotfixed killing sub-90s for Bloody Coins.

Kommentar von maely

I can confirm the 10-sec ICD upon receiving a coin is gone.

Kommentar von Qyune

Base Information: Updated June 24, 2014 due to Hotfix
The Eid des Feuerwächters can be purchased from Sprecher Gulan for 100 Zeitlose Münzes on the Zeitlose Insel. Both, the buff as well as the cooldown for this item is 10 minutes. The intent of this item is to have players use it to collect Blutige Münzes in a battleground rather than solely on the Zeitlose Insel. Additionally, players can now mount up with the buff activated.

Hotfix Information
The Blue post can be found here: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13140404016
The cliff notes for the change are as follows:
-- The cooldown for the Rauchbrenner der ewigen Pein has been increased to 60 minutes (up from a 10 minute cooldown)
-- This is due to the gear difference within the island (so many people leveling alts)
-- The cost of Eid des Feuerwächters has changed from 100 Blutige Münzes to 100 Zeitlose Münzes
-- Blizzard now prefers players to get their Blutige Münzes from battlegrounds using Eid des Feuerwächters
-- The drop rate of the Blutige Münze has been increased to 100% per Killing Blow (up from roughly 10%) while buff is active

Class and Spec Notes
Hunters: I can confirm that your pet will "steal" your Blutige Münze if it gets the killing blow. I assume the same is true for mages and warlocks.
Healers: Given that the Blutige Münze requires a killing blow, some sort of dot or instance cast spell may be an option.

Testing Information
Below, I tested the Eid des Feuerwächters using a level 14-17 Rogue to see if there is a chance of attaining Blutige Münzes from low level PvP Battlegrounds (as well as world PvP).

Battleground Data Set - Updated June 14, 2014
01 - WSG Battleground, 8 Killing Blows, 0 Blutige Münzes
02 - WSG Battleground, 22 Killing Blows, 0 Blutige Münzes
03 - WSG Battleground, 10 Killing Blows, 0 Blutige Münzes
04 - WSG Battleground, 7 Killing Blows, 0 Blutige Münzes
05 - WSG Battleground, 6 Killing Blows, 0 Blutige Münzes
06 - WSG Battleground, 26 Killing Blows, 0 Blutige Münzes
07 - WSG Battleground, 13 Killing Blows, 0 Blutige Münzes
08 - WSG Battleground, 9 Killing Blows, 0 Blutige Münzes
09 - WSG Battleground, 22 Killing Blows, 0 Blutige Münzes
10 - WSG Battleground, 6 Killing Blows, 0 Blutige Münzes

Conclusion: All of the recorded killing blows where while the Eid des Feuerwächters buff was active. A total of 129 killing blows where delivered and 0 Blutige Münzes where acquired from said kills. So, from this I will conclude the benefits of Eid des Feuerwächters are only available to characters at level 90. Let us take a moment to thank our unknowing and unwilling participants. :)

World PvP Data Set
June 14, 2014 - Rotkammgebirge, 56 Honorable Kills, 0 Blutige Münzes
June 15, 2014 - Rotkammgebirge, 77 Honorable Kills, 0 Blutige Münzes
June 16, 2014 - Rotkammgebirge, 133 Honorable Kills, 0 Blutige Münzes
June 17, 2014 - Rotkammgebirge, 63 Honorable Kills, 0 Blutige Münzes
June 18, 2014 - Rotkammgebirge, 86 Honorable Kills, 0 Blutige Münzes

Conclusion: This data set provides information of 415 low-level world killing blows with a yield of 0 Blutige Münzes. Therefore, I will conclude "lowbies" do not benefit from Eid des Feuerwächters. Sad times.

Hopefully, this will save people some time and effort of getting a "lowbie" (or twink) to the Timeless Isle in the hopes that low level PvP killing blows will produce Blutige Münzes. As of now, it seems true that this item will only work for 90's on 90's, but I will continue my tests for the sake of confirmation.

Kommentar von 1268080

So what's the bloody coin drop chance from level 90's now?

Kommentar von Arkyo

Something fun, if you are a Monk and use the Oath and then use Zenpilgerfahrt you will start doing the Male Human dance, also works with Zenmeditation

Update 1: Also the port location (clone) of Transzendenz dances continuously if you have the Oath active.

Update 2: Also even more fun; Oath combined with Zenflug, allows you to do the Human Male dance while flying through the air. Submitted a Screenshot.

Kommentar von 362755

If you use Transcendence with the buff, then your image will be dancing :)

Kommentar von knugen

Today I bought this item along with the Rauchbrenner der ewigen Pein on my lvl 10 character. As the Zeitlose Münzes are really easy to farm from rare mobs you can easily buy these items at any lvl aslong as you're able to get to the Timeless Isle. I had a friend take me on his 2-seat flying mount to the flight path at the isle. The hard part is getting to the vendor as there are tons of mobs roaming the isle. Most mobs aggro from far distances but you can always "res-run" meaning you move as far ahead from your corpse as you possible can when you res in order to get further. You will die several times at a low lvl while you can survive fairly alright at a higher lvl. You can bring a friend with you to clear the road ahead of you but there will nearly always be atleast one mob aggroing to kill you. Once you reach the vendor, grab the two items quickly, both of them can be used at lvl 1 and will give you Blutige Münzes, although, only the Eid des Feuerwächters will be an efficient way to earn Blutige Münzes under lvl 90 because of the fact that you will only be able to earn Blutige Münzes while being on the isle with Rauchbrenner der ewigen Pein and the Eid des Feuerwächters can be used anywhere. ~~I haven't tested either of them in pvp yet but I'm sure they will work as intended no matter the lvl you are.~~ I have now tested the Eid des Feuerwächters and it seems they removed the ability to get Blutige Münzes from players under lvl 90. NOTE: Before you head to the vendor, make sure you got atleast 1100x Zeitlose Münze as the Eid des Feuerwächters costs 100 Zeitlose Münzes and the Rauchbrenner der ewigen Pein costs 1000 Zeitlose Münzes. If you got any questions about how this works just reply to the comment bellow and I will answer your questions as soon as possible aslong as I'm able to answer them.

Edit: It seems you can only earn Blutige Münzes by killing lvl 90+ players with the new Hotfix, I'm really disappointed by this as it would be better if the Blutige Münzes would drop off of players yielding honor points rather than restrict it to lvl 90s+. I hope Blizzard will fix it and make it abliable for anyone, even those under lvl 90.

Kommentar von flaotinging

Has anyone been able to get bloody coins off of farming low level characters recently? The morning after they changed this to be 100 Timeless Coins I got 111 coins killing a level 1 alt over and over for about an hour. When I came back from work that same day (and ever since) I've gotten zero.

Kommentar von baaboo

(Edit: now hotfixed to be 100% drop chance)
(Edit #2: now hotfixed again, to not give coin from players with Resurrection Sickness)

Oath now gives you 100% chance to obtain a Bloody Coin from a killing blow on opposite faction level 90+ characters only (after last hotfixes), regardless if target is worth no honor. Targets with Resurrection Sickness used to give coins, but no longer do.

Leaving this outdated info for the sake of timeline:

Graveyard camping a 2nd account (or friend) works fine for this, just find some convenient graveyard you can camp at for a while.
If you choose to try this route, then the following macro will be very useful on 2nd (kill target) account:
/run RepopMe() RetrieveCorpse()
/run RepopMe() AcceptResurrect() AcceptXPLoss()

You will need to manually rez once from the spirit healer by releasing spirit & clicking accept 2 times at spirit healer, after that you can hit this macro to instant release -> run into range of the spirit healer & hit macro again to instant rez.

Kommentar von sdkphoenix

This is now hotfixed to have a 100% chance of dropping bloody coins. Get to farming!

Kommentar von SylviaDragon

I just did some testing and can confirm the 100% drop off of the opposing faction. as long as the player is 90 they seem to give honor with no obvious setbacks. this is the happy ending that everyone wanted. there is no real cooldown on the coins you get so you can farm these to your hearts content in both bgs and the open world. no more griefing the new players of timeless isle. :)

And to those who are wondering, yes, the halaa trade killing method works just fine.

Kommentar von Sqqueeky

Gurubashi Arena for farming your 90 allies. Your victim puts all his armor in the bank, spirit rezzes and flies back in to die again at half health. Repeat ad nauseum for 3 coins per minute. Bring more victims for a higher drop rate.

Note that dying loses the buff, so straight kill trading won't work, except in 10 minute bursts of being the killer. I'm guessing dying in BGs causes the same partial downtime, so this might be more efficient.

The price was changed to 100 Timeless Coins, so you don't have to burn Bloody Coins to make Bloody Coins.

Kommentar von HobDawgh

I like to use this item in combination with Seltsamer glatt geschliffener Stein/Kangs Bindungsstein (same effect, different item) to remove the purple/pink glow and make the character grey.

Kommentar von Zeifos

As of a hotfix on June 17th, you'll get a bloody coin for each killing blow you get on a level 90, including battlegrounds.

Kommentar von Shadowypain

If someone on your faction has the Censer of Eternal Agony buff, and you get the killing blow with the Fire-Watcher's Oath buff, you WILL get a Bloody Coin.

Yes! Killing people with censers even if they're on your faction gives a Bloody Coin while using this item!

Kommentar von Spicywiener

ALL DRUIDS REJOICE! can be used while in form even in feral and guardian. Also does not trigger PVP with your own faction much like Censer of Eternal Agony and with a 10 min buff and 10 min CD you can pretty much keep it up 24/7, as long as you don't die. Who doesn't wanna claw at stuff as an awesome fire cow.

Kommentar von 26079

For some amount of time, it was possible to get a coin for open-world kills on res sick targets, without any effects of the recently sacrificed debuff. That appears to have ended on 6/23.

Kommentar von Baneleaf

For anyone that was graveyard farming this with a friend, it has been nerfed into the ground. After farming up nearly 5k coins for friends and guildies with my alt, there has been a ninja hotfix to this item that gives the kill target the 10 min debuff that the censer of agony gives on the isle. You can still BG farm with this and can still gank with it but you cannot kill the same person over and over. It was fun while it lasted, but it sucks that i did not finish the 2k cheeve for myself before doing it for others. Now I get to sit in AV with the rest of you trying to snipe killing blows.

Kommentar von Zwizzer

Combining this item with Censer of Eternal Agony will acquire you 2x Bloody coins when killing people on the Timeless isle.

Kommentar von rinkworks

Does anybody have any suggestions about the best battlegrounds to farm bloody coins in? Some bgs, I assume, provide better opportunities for killing blows (and better ways to reduce the risk of dying yourself, thus losing the buff) than others. I'd welcome suggestions.

Kommentar von 1088137

This item has VERY glitchy animations for Monks. Cast Transcedense or whatever that spirit-splitting spell is, and your clone is doing a few loops of the human male dance. It's hilarious! Oh, and your missing some kicking animations.

Kommentar von Dustpann

What i can gather from my testing, is that killing a player in the open world will grant a coin and not apply the debuff, that the Censor does, as long as the target does not have Res Sickness (in the case they do, they wont grant coins).

Also, farming a graveyard in Wintergrasp, to reduce the waiting time to 30secs from 2mins, will now apply the 10min debuff, Sacrificed to Ordos.

Well done Blizzard, you win this time.

Kommentar von 1113740

You can incur the Sacrificed to Ordos debuff. I have been farming coins with a buddy back and forth all morning at Gurabashi arena. Sometimes it goes as much as 10 kills before appearing. Fighting back, or simply stnding still do not seem to have any bearing so perhaps it acts as a procced debuff.

Kommentar von 1096108

you can get coins even if the enemy player just zoned in and has the 'worth no honor points' buff

Kommentar von 1088137

Can be obtained at any level, despite what most people think that you need to be 90. You dont have to be 90, but obtaining this item is kinda hard!

Kommentar von 26079

I've found that I was able to kill someone repeatedly in Wintergrasp, with that person using the spirit rezzer and NOT getting the sacrificed debuff, by using the cannon. I was working on http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=1751. I still got coins for each kill.

Kommentar von 1260812

Rather unimportant/useless, but still valid information. Combining this with the Monk's Glyph of Zen Flight results in the Monk/Ordon doing the human /dance animation, despite the fact that the Ordon uses the Tauren animation set. However, this was only tested on a human Monk, so it's possible that It can adopt other /dance animations If the Monk's race is different.

Edit: It appears as though the Ordon does indeed use the human dance animation, regardless of whether or not the monk is a human. In addition, Transcendence also triggers the effect, and looking at your Transcendence "clone" from behind shows the animation practically breaking your Ordon's legs.

Kommentar von Werlwind

Shapeshifting does not break this, druids rejoice!

Kommentar von Coriam

What am I missing? I'm using the Oath, I'm killing opposite faction (ed: level 90) toons... yet I still only have the lone Bloody Coin I got the one time I used the Censer, two months ago.

Did they kill the guaranteed 100% drop rate? Is it not 100% outside bg's, but not noted as such? argh.

Edit 2: Target toon must also be worth honor; I'm relatively certain it was res sickness that was causing the coins not to drop.

Kommentar von megafierce

Using the Wintergrasp cannons or vehicles to kill someone doesn't give them the Sacrificed to Ordos debuff. In an early morning WG this means you can take your coin farmer, kill off the enemy NPCs on the central bridge until you get First Lieutenant, then grab a demo and roll it over to an enemy graveyard to farm kills from someone willing to die fifty times in 25 minutes.

Have your companion rez, then jump off the platform that grants them damage immunity. Use both the ram and cannon attacks, and you can kill a naked level 90 before the spirit healer fires off the next 30 sec rez. Two coins a minute, per willing victim.

The only hazards are, of course, other players. Try to aim for a time of day when it's not busy, keep far out of the way, and if anyone realizes what you're doing and objects, just let them know that for your presence there's also someone on the other side not participating so it balances out anyway.

Kommentar von Frankstank

There is no more Alliance vs Horde.
Only Ordon vs. Ordon!

Kommentar von corners

This buff will make your cloud serpents look like they are of the Heavenly cloud serpent variety.

Kommentar von Alastor7783

The worst thing for Alliance, and best thing for Horde about this item is if you miss one graveyard revive, you get that kick timer. So you HAVE to let yourself be camped or get deserter.

Kommentar von Koalbree

The Fire-Watcher's Oath - Item used to cost 50 bloody coins but on September 11 2014 I found it at the Timeless Isle vender Speaker Gulan for only 100 Timeless coins!
Almost all of my characters are on a Normal server so I don't spend much time at all doing pvp anymore so I don't have good enough gear to use this Item in Battlegrounds, cause when you get killed you have to wait for the 10 minute timer to go off to attempt using it again. And sence we have 2 Wow accounts we then took it to Wintergrasp to test it with my alliance character against one of my wife's simi-naked (for a quick kill) Horde toons, and sense Wintergrasp has graveyards that can rez you every 30 seconds regardless of how may times your toon has recently died I found that with the way I set up the positions I could get a bloody coin every 30 seconds from the same enemy character!
Thing is if you don't have 2 accounts in your family find a friend that you can trade all the required deaths with to get enough bloody coins for the achieves and the pet and mount.
Sometimes a target killed even in Wintergrasp get that darn 10minute timer put on them that keep you from getting a coin until the timer goes away.
I think I may have been too close to the graveyard when I was killing her toon. Make sure you step far enough away from the graveyard before you start the kill.
I have read the Fire-Watcher's Oath item and it is now different from the one we read from Wowhead.Use: Transform into an Ordon Fire-Watcher. PvP kills made while transformed have a chance to grant Bloody Coins. (1 Hour Cooldown) the main difference now is the item says (10 minute cooldown). And the cost is 100 Timeless coins instead of 50 Bloody Coins. So you can click on it again right after it stops working and start over again immediately!
Its an awful lot of grinding to get the 500 coin achieve but you can spend the 500 bloody coins on the Mount "Reins of the Ashhide Mushan Beast" and that makes is a little worth it! And now that I got the 500 Bloody coin achieve the next one showed up, 1000 Bloody Coins.

Kommentar von Pospodrol

Fun thing about this: After use it you can use another item that transforms your character such as Stolz der Dunkelspeere or Eiserner Flachmann then you'll still have the pinkish glow on the transformed form. Not working with the wolvar guy unfortunately.

Kommentar von 298971

I made a list of gimmick items which you can use to transform your character into a different form or race or even gender to play around with. I didn't add items like weapons that provide a procc with a transform effect that only lasts a few seconds even though I know about them. My intention was to list all items with controlable transformations. Feel free to let me know if I missed an item!
I want to thank all the people below my lists who pointed out items I missed! This list grows thanks to your effort as well! Thanks guys, you're great!

Item Name:	Transforms you into:	Duration:	Cooldown:
Fandrals Flammensichel	Molten cat while in cat form (Druids only)	Til shifting out of form	-
Brennende Saat	Molten cat while in cat form (Druids only)	Til shifting out of form	2s
Glyphe 'Verkleiden'	Any human you pickpocket (Rogues only)	5m	-
Ausgebrannte Glyphe	Anyone else (Mages only)	2m	30m
Leyaras Medaillon	Druid of the Flame	5m	1h
Kalythas Spukmedaillon	Ghostly female Highborne	30m	15m
Segen des Alten Gottes	Qiraj	20s	10m
Burgy Blackheart's Handsome Hat	Gostly pirate gnome	Til unequipping the item	-
Kugel der Sin'dorei	Blood elf	5m	30m
Täuschungskugel	Race of opponent faction	5m	30m
Knochen der Transformation	Male Naga	20s	10m
Pygmäenöl	Voodoo gnome	10m	-
Tiefsteinöl	Stony appearance	Til cancelled	1s
Stab von Fell und Klauen	Furbolg	3m	1h
Geschnitzter Ogergötze	Red Ogre	10m	10m
Magischer Ogergötze	Red Ogre	5m	30m
Pikantes Deviat Supreme	Ninja or pirate	60m	-
Noggenfoggers Elixier	Skeleton	10m	-
Ogeranzug der Gordok	Ogre	10m	-
Super Sai'ansphäre	Gorilla in a bubble	5m	1h
Eiserner Flachmann	Iron Dwarf	10m	1h
Muradins Gunst	Frost Dwarf	10m	30m
Phiole der Sande	Sandstone Drake	Til cancelled	-
Herz der Obsidiannachtschwinge	Obsidian Nightwing	Til cancelled	-
Trank der Illusion	Someone else	2m	-
Winterhauchverkleidungsset	Snowman	Til cancelled	-
Drachenzorn, Tarecgosas letzte Ruhe	Blue dragon	Til cancelled	-
Düsterbräu	Dark Iron Dwarf	Til cancelled	-
Irrwischamulett	Wisp	20s	10m
Zeitverlorene Statuette	Arakkoa	5m	30m
Lebensspendende Saat	Random herb	Til cancelled	-
Wildherzengebräu	Wolvar	5m	30m
Angelhaken des Anglermeisters	Fish	Til cancelled	-
Magiesauger	Basilisk, locust, whelp, or whisp	1m	1s
Schattenseitenelixier	Wasp, Tuskarr	10m	-
Mondfangs Pfote	Moonfang the wolf	10m	1h
Rituale des Neumonds	Giant wolf	2m	10m
Rituale des Neumonds	Black wolf	2m	10m
Rituale des Neumonds	Red wolf	2m	10m
Rituale des Neumonds	White wolf	2m	10m
Kugel des Schwarzwelpen	Black whelp	15m	-
Verblichener Zaubererhut	Apprentice of a different race (Horde only)	30m	30m
Arkanitreißer	Guitarist of the Tauren Chieftains	10s	1m
Sonnenlaute des Phönixkönigs	Guitarist of the Tauren Chieftains	10s	1m
Trinkhorn der Vrykul	Bigger and with saronite helm	10m	1s
Mondfangpelz	Gives you a wolf helmet	10m	1h
Kangs Bindungsstein	Stony appearance	10m	1h
Ai-Lis Himmelsspiegel	Like a targeted player when using	10m	1h
Handlanger Peins Messingkompass	Mister Smite	30m	2h
Wasserjuwel	Makes you nearly invisible	10m	1h
Krastinovs Tasche der Schrecken	Doctor Theolen Krastinov	30m	2h
Ho-zen-Wasserball	Beach Clothes	30m	2h
Fragment des Abschlusssteins	Mogu stature	5m	2h
Scottys Glücksmünze	Forest Sprite	10m	10m
Aspekt des Dämonenjägers	Demon Hunter	5m	30m
Magischer Bambusspross	Panda cub	10m	-
Reif des zeitverlorenen Seefahrers	Skeleton mariner	10m	2h
Eid des Feuerwächters	Ordon Fire-Watcher	Til cancelled	1h
Medaillon des himmlischen Verteidigers	Celestial Defender	15m	2h

The following items you cannot get anymore. Only to complete the list.

Item Name:
Transforms you into:
Duration:
Cooldown:

Stolz von Gnomeregan
Gnomeregan Infantry (Alliance only)
30m
4h

Stolz der Dunkelspeere
Darkspear Warrior (Horde only)
30m
4h

Verzauberter Mondpirscherumhang
Moonstalker
5m
-

Murlockostüm
Murloc costume
Til cancelled
-

Dartols Rute der Transformation
Furbolg
3m
1m

Kommentar von ash1k1

For some reason the target is occasionally gaining the Sacrificed to Ordos debuff when using this item. Not all the time, but sometimes. Any ideas?

E: Just as proof or whatnot:
During the kill ~ http://i.imgur.com/uwDxAJq.jpg
After death ~ http://i.imgur.com/WNG1WFg.jpg

Edit 2: Don't worry the Druid is my friend. :p

Kommentar von Viprime

Looks like it's been changed to a 10% chance to grant Bloody Coins in the WoD pre-patch.

Pretty hefty nerf from 100%. Need 5000 killing blows (excluding Holy Priests etc) instead of 500 now just for the mount.

Kommentar von 1150206

Not sure about 10% but I got 22 killing blows in av yesterday and today and have got zero coins. I had assumed it was just yet another bug and wasn't dropping them anymore but there's no way its a 10% chance.

Kommentar von xAndreea

As of 6.0, Eid des Feuerwächters doesn't stack with Rauchbrenner der ewigen Pein anymore.
When using Censer first and then Oath, the Oath buff removes/replaces the Censer buff - and the other way around if Oath is used first.

Kommentar von toxicrusader

As of 6.0.3, Eid des Feuerwächters has 100% chance to grant Bloody Coins on PvP kills once more.

Kommentar von nashoh

Patch notes for 6.0.3:

Eid des Feuerwächters should correctly have a 100% chance to grant Blutige Münze on PvP kills once more.

Kommentar von SaltLB

According to the patch that's coming out today -- patch 6.0.3 -- and the notes from the Blizzard site, Firewatcher's Oath now grants a 100% chance to drop coins.

Fire-Watcher's Oath should correctly have a 100% chance to grant Bloody Coins on PvP kills once more.
- Rygarius

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Kommentar von Scortator

Killed a friend 3 times in 6.0.3, every time got a sacrificed to ordos debuff, so farming a friend seems to have been nerfed/fixed (Or I had terrible luck).

Kommentar von ammonite

I just farmed the coins for the mount using the Fire-Watcher's Oath and the Halaa method (standing in an enemy graveyard with a willing person from the enemy faction who then spirit rezzes after each kill). If you are on a server where Timeless Isle is empty, you could avoid the need for spirit rezzes with the auto-rezzing graveyards on Timeless Isle, but this would slow down coin farming somewhat. We also found that, given the large number of people that are normally on Timeless Isle on my server, it worked much better to go somewhere more remote and simply spirit rez. Just remember to leave your gear in the bank first so that you avoid the hefty repair bill.

What I did notice that has not been mentioned here (unless I missed it) is that there seems to be a small chance of giving the Sacrificed to Ordos debuff with each kill. On average, I got about 20 kills before giving the debuff, but it was definitely a matter of RNG. The longest streak of kills I got without triggering the debuff was 77 kills, and the shortest was 9. Once they received the debuff, we both just took a 10 minute break. I suspect that this is either a bug, or it is intentional in order to discourage using the Halaa farm method. I have submitted a question on this point and will update with the GM reply here.

Kommentar von 1114743

I can confirm that the item once again grants a Bloody Coin on a killing blow every time. Also, at least outside of BGs, it has a very high chance of putting the Sacrificed to Ordos debuff on your victim, not 100% of the time but definitely more than 50%.

Update: After over a hundred kills with nearly every one causing the debuff, either Blizz put in a hotfix or I'm on a lucky streak bc I've just gone 60 straight without getting the debuff.

Further update: OK it's really weird. From my experience it appears getting the debuff can depend on where you are standing! My lucky streak started when I got lazy and just stood in melee range next to where the toon I was farming rezzed, never moving. Went to grab some ore, came back to a slightly different position (still in melee), and the debuff happened. Went back to the exact spot I had been in and never moved again and haven't gotten the debuff in over 50 kills.

Final update: Standing precisely at 74.55, 26.67 in a Blade's Edge Mountains graveyard I farmed at least 1500 coins over the past 4 days without incurring the sacrificed debuff on my victim. So either I was incredibly lucky or there are 'safe spots' where you do not incur the debuff.

Kommentar von Berronaxwins

Insane way to farm bloody coins at the moment, AND do a public service at the same time!

If you're an alliance player, Head over to Twilight Highlands with a Eid des Feuerwächters go to Bloodgulch.

Now, at the eastern entrance to this horde base there is a vendor called Naka Scaleblade, you will notice LOADS of lvl90 hunters with weird names swarming around her, these hunters are botters.

Kill the vendor, and also kill the other vendor called Raug. If you're worried this will be classified as griefing, don't be, these vendors are not important and horde players can simply use any of the other vendors nearby, however the botters are programmed to only go to these 2.

Proceed to farm the living hell out of these botters, they respawn very fast and they will not attack you.

I was able to get an average of 120-200 bloody coins per hour farming these botters.

Ridding azeroth of scum and getting free bloodycoins for it, GLORIOUS!

Kommentar von magette

I've been working on my mount collection a long time & at the moment I'm at 247 so I decided to go for the 500 bloody coin mount, I got my boyfriend to stand at a graveyard on the timeless isle so I could kill him a bunch of times (2 kills per minute because of the 30 sec respawn timer so 120 coins per hour) I'm at 260 coins and he hasn't had a single debuff so far so it must have a very low chance to proc on somebody because I'm not doing anything special to avoid it. No 10 minute breaks makes this quite a fast mount to farm aslong as you have somebody on the other side willing to die a lot for you :) Goodluck

Kommentar von Ishtar

You can now buy this with Timeless coins even though Wowhead still says 50 Bloody coins.

Kommentar von Frangolas

I don't know if this has been mentioned before but everytime I use Eid des Feuerwächters, I get a message saying I've lost my Lord/Lady of War title, which is obtained by completing the Wer zuletzt lacht... achievement. Whenever I cancel the effect or it wears off, I get a new message saying I got the title back. Don't know if unique to this item or if there are others that cause the same effect.

Kommentar von osatox

I just confirmed with a friend as we were testing some theories out about this item and what seemed to have triggered the debuff. We came to discover if you are a melee class and seem to kill the enemy that you are farming in melee range, it seemed to trigger the 10 minute debuff

HOWEVER, if you kill from a ranged distance (example: mage with frostbolt, or rogue with throwing daggers, warrior with shatter throw), you can get the kill, get the bloody coin, and it does not seem to trigger the debuff. Confirmed that we did not trigger a debuff within 1400 kills in one sitting....

No idea if this is intended or not, between killing in melee having a chance to trigger the debuff, or ranged not triggering it.

Kommentar von OwlDark

This could be as toy....

Kommentar von Detryous121

While I was on my monk, I used this and afterwards used Transcendence and my spirit was dancing like a human male would. I thought this was interesting so I thought I would share.

Kommentar von Rsmal

EDIT: As of 27/10/16 - this has been hot-fixed to once again allow Eid des Feuerwächters to be used in battlegrounds.

As of Patch 7.1 Eid des Feuerwächters, among many other 'USE' effect items, can no longer be used in a battleground.

I imagine this will make Blutige Münze farming unbearable now.

After some testing, I have confirmed that you can use Eid des Feuerwächters before entering the battleground and maintain the buff, although once inside it cannot be refreshed.

Also noting that, Seltsamer glatt geschliffener Stein can still be used as normal in battlegrounds.

Let's hope for a fix in an upcoming patch.

Kommentar von XxTimetoKillxX

It's worth noting that this is usable in combination with the Ivory Talon or FFA world quest zones to get bloody coins from your own faction members.

Kommentar von Rheiner

Some fun quirk: I thought it would look nice pairing this with Graumähnes Zügel, but it made the guy visible on this mount! I've never seen him fully visible. Oh, and after the buff while still sitting on blanchy your regular char will be the same translucent red as blanchy. Neat.

Kommentar von mmerrell

FASTEST WAY TO FARM BLOODY COINS:

1. You and a friend from the opposite faction (or your 2nd account) go to the Spirit Angel at 49.66, 77.93 in the Darkbrul Arena in Highmountain (cave entrance is at 53.80, 76.65) and have your friend stand where the Spirit Angel is. You do NOT have to be on the world quest in order for this technique to work. The Spirit Angel will automatically resurrect you every 30 seconds, bypassing the 2-minute resurrection timer entirely. Type /tar Brick to help find where the Spirit Healer is located inside the cave easier.
2. Use your Fire-Watcher's Oath in order to collect the Bloody Coin needed for your Fire-Watcher achievement/title.
3. Stand at max-range (next to Brick) and kill your friend/self with ranged attacks. Being at max-range will prevent you from getting the 'Sacrified to Ordos' debuff which prevents you from getting another coin for 10 minutes.

Enjoy!

Kommentar von lookieitswookie

This does not earn bloody coins in Arathi Basin comp stomp.

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