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Kommentar von 944245

As a short conclusion, this trinket unfortunately doesn't proc of Holy Fire, Smite, and Penance.
(Confirmed by GM's, blueposts, forum posts and training dummy sessions).
So it's pretty much useless for discipline priests. (Besides the raw stat amplification).

The only way for disc priests to proc it is melee-attacking the opponent, which of course isn't very useful... ;)

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Kommentar von Xiberion

Sweet mother of crit burst damage.

Kommentar von Arkets

chaosbolt says hi

Kommentar von Trionek

Note that while the tooltip states that it increases haste/crit/mastery by 83%, the spell proccing from this trinket actually increases those stats by 36%, just mouseover the green text.

Kommentar von Annalisse

As of July 18 (build 17205) this trinket is still proccing from melee attacks - the Mastery proc will stack with Rune of Reorigination proc resulting in ~500% mastery buff for feral dps.

Kommentar von DeadyCewl

20.7.13

It amplifies the Critical Strike damage and healing, Haste and Mastery passively by 14% if equipped AND you still can gain the 84% Amplification as an additional buff.

I play an Enhancement Shaman and can gain the buff from autoattacks. As for now without done the math this might be the core trinket together with Garantierte Konsequenzen since we still have an high amount of magic damage and depend on such an Amplification of our secondary stats.

exp. I have 55,66% Mastery(12499 rating) on the PTR with the trinket equipped and 52,55%(10964 rating) without.

Simcraft-Math will be done soon.

Kommentar von Xiberion

As of today 7/21 the 84% amplification buff has been nullified even though it will proc and the icon displays.

Kommentar von 1026002

OP trink for warlock.. :p

but i wonder.. this trink + what trink for the best combo?

Kommentar von Sweetdaddy

Pretty much gonna be the BiS for every DPS caster in game (and maybe some lower geared healers due to the insane spirit, haste and mastery buff)

Kommentar von korob

I got this last night on my disc priest. It is not procing for any of my attacks, smite, etc., however it does seem to proc when I'm in shadow. I have also upgraded it, 2/2 and the upgrade also does not seem to be taking effect.

Kommentar von Xenubis

The name of the buff is Expanded Mind.

Kommentar von grinderr

Is it possible to wear both the flex version and the normal version of this trinket at the same time?
Looking at all the trinkets from previous raids, they are all "Unique Equipped" with a (1) behind indicating you can only have 1 version of the trinket on you at any time.
Ex: Unfehlbarer Blick des Lei Shen
This is not the case with the SoO trinkets. Did blizzard "forget" the (1) or can you actually wear two types of the same trinket?

Kommentar von binkenstein

The Critical Bonus effect for this trinket works like Elementarfuror and , which multiply with Brennender Bergkristall.

The math works out like this:

( ( Base Critical Bonus * Meta Bonus ) - 1 ) * ( 1 + Critical Bonus effect 1 ) * ( 1 + Critical Bonus effect 2 ) = Critical Strike Bonus

For Elemental Shaman with up, it goes like this:

( ( 2 * 1.03 ) - 1 ) * (1 + 0.5 ) * (1 + 0.2 ) = 1.908

This means that your total critical damage is as follows:
207% with just an Amp Trinket
213.42% with a Crit Meta Gem + Amp Trinket
228.4% with Amp Trinket + Skull Banner

260.5% for an Elemental Shaman with an Amp Trinket
270.13% for Elemental with Amp Trinket + Crit Meta Gem
304.156% for Elemental with Amp Trinket + Crit Meta Gem + Skull Banner

Kommentar von Hohen666

Dropped it on flex, it give base 6% stats, upgraded twice it says 7 but in fact it only is a 6.68% and it also does not give my any critical strike value… Very disappointed. I hope the critical strike is only a temporary bug.

Kommentar von zennon999

It also procs on polymorph.

Kommentar von Keldion

The different item level versions of this trinket and Prismatisches Stolzgefängnis have a linear scaling; the trinket tooltip rounds up to the nearest number. Upgrading your trinket will yield a bonus to amplification even if the tooltip doesn't change.

The scaling formula is equal to 1.15^((trinket ilvl - 553) / 15) * 7%. Good luck with getting this trinket or its heroic cousin!

EDIT: Summary of the item level bonuses can be found here.

Kommentar von Aldones

Ampliefied Value

0/2: 7.00000%
1/2: 7.26581%
2/2: 7.54172%

Source: Keldion's DOT/HOT Haste Calculations 5.4. Because Keldion works for SimCraft, he has access to Blizzards actual tables.

Kommentar von Bluesius

If anyone is interested in the exact scaling values; here they are:
463 Challenge Mode 0.43233 3.02629 3
528 LFR 0.79220 5.54543 6
532 LFR 1/2 Upgrade 0.82229 5.75600 6
536 LFR 2/2 Upgrade 0.85351 5.97458 6
540 Flex 0.88592 6.20145 6
544 Flex 1/2 Upgrade 0.91956 6.43694 6
548 Flex 2/2 Upgrade 0.95448 6.68137 7
553 Normal 1.00000 7.00000 7
557 N 1/2 Upgrade 1.03797 7.26581 7
559 N Warforged 1.05750 7.40248 7
561 N 2/2 Upgrade 1.07739 7.54172 8
563 N Warforged 1/2 1.09765 7.68357 8
567 N Warforged 2/2 1.13933 7.97534 8
566 Heroic 1.12877 7.90138 8
570 H 1/2 Upgrade 1.17163 8.20142 8
572 H Warforged 1.19367 8.35568 8
574 H 2/2 Upgrade 1.21612 8.51285 9
576 H Warforged 1/2 1.23900 8.67297 9
580 H Warforged 2/2 1.28604 9.00231 9

Procc is called "Expanded Mind", here is a WeakAura for it:
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Kommentar von cedricm

Is this a nerf or an armory bug? My 561 purified bindings indicates 1% increase where 7% was expected.

Kommentar von Madwolf

While Fistweaving on my monk this procc'd and the amplification works. I have had both this and the Prismatic Prison of Pride procc at the same time. Their amplification stacks.

Kommentar von 806666

will this fus,.rrfhng rh kglgrjrvsbkgjshbgsjhgsdjhgbshj DAMNED trinket ever drop for me?
last 11 weeks, I rolled on this, with boomkin specl, flex normal, LFR, and using seals every time. either it has a 0.1% drop chance or the gods of RNG just are mocking me

Kommentar von Tubae

How many times do I have to down Immerseus to get this trinket on average if I don't use my coin?

10NM
On 10 man normal, there will drop two items out of 21 different items.
The chance of the trinket not dropping is therefore (19/21).

(19/21)^n=0.5, where n is the number of weeks (or number of kills).
n=6.925691723 satisfies the equation.

So after roughly 7 weeks, the chance that you have gotten your trinket is 50%.

http://i.imgur.com/nKfNON0.png?1

Kommentar von santipants

I don't play Mage often but I just got this today on my girlfriend's Mage and don't see how it's BIS.

Both fully upgraded the BBY she has gives her more haste and critical strike rating, a 2% improvement over this trinket on both stats with the obvious reforging. Is there some hidden boost? Are the numbers incorrect on the ui?

Seems very strange because all I've read on IcyVeins is that the PBI is BIS but I don't understand how that can be with these numbers I'm looking at.

Kommentar von Aldones

Ampliefied Value

0/2: 7.90138%
1/2: 8.20142%
2/2: 8.51285%

Source: Keldion's DOT/HOT Haste Calculations 5.4. Because Keldion works for SimCraft, he has access to Blizzards actual tables.

Kommentar von Bluesius

Kommentar von Vebre

It doesnt work for discipline priest, confirmed.

Kommentar von bathazar

Heroic Warforged upgraded 4/4 (with new patch) brings value up to 10%, so it's worth upgrading.

Heroic version does not reach the 10% threshold so it's not worth upgrading to over 2/4 unless you really want that extra 1000 int, save the valor for something else.

Kommentar von Xenubis

The name of the buff is Expanded Mind.

Kommentar von 632630

This says "Equip: Amplifies your Critical Strike damage and healing, Haste, Mastery, and Spirit by 6%."
I am only seeing a 1.2% increase in haste when equipping it. 0.65% increase in mastery when equipping it. I assumed it would give 6% to each of those stats. Apparently I was wrong though.

It seems to take the amount of haste/mastery/spirit rating you have and add 6% (7% fully upgraded) of the un-equipped stat rating to the aforementioned stats instead of a full 6% / 7% to the stat percentage.

For instance if you had 7,263 rating (17.09%) haste, it would give you +485 haste rating leaving you with 7,748 rating (18.23%)

Kommentar von Aldones

Ampliefied Value

0/2: 6.20145%
1/2: 6.43694%
2/2: 6.68137%

Source: Keldion's DOT/HOT Haste Calculations 5.4. Because Keldion works for SimCraft, he has access to Blizzards actual tables.

Kommentar von Bluesius

Kommentar von Quackie

I've noticed this item only drops for bads. You'll have people in your group beneath the tank in DPS, and they always seem to be the ones to get this item. Now if you're consistently top DPS, do Flex Immersus 3 times per week and use all of your warforged seals, you'll never see this item. The best way to get it is to show up in a Flex with no gems or chants, do awful DPS, and get kicked by the group after the first boss of the first wing -- you will then see this item drop.

Kommentar von Xenubis

The name of the buff is Expanded Mind.

Kommentar von 1017135

From what I understand it's a FIXED 6% increased stat bonus, not a proc.
Dropped it today in LFR, increases haste and mastery but not critical strike.
Am I getting this right? or what does it do?

Kommentar von misterbanana

Despite the fact that the tooltip says "Your attacks have a chance..." the Expanded Mind buff will proc off of damaging spell casts. Melee swings are not required to activate this trinket—it is intended for DPS casters.

Kommentar von Katiku

It ONLY procs for range dps specs, so healers don't get hazy, you won't benefit from its proc.
Plus its passive part works like this -
1. Critical damage is increased by 6%, meaning if you are hitting 100.000 damage with a spell, then it's critical won't be 200.000, but 6% more which is 206.000.
2. The same thing goes for healing, so if you try to help your healers out with some healing spells, you will benefit from the item.
and finally 3. it DOESN'T increase you haste mastery and spirit by 6%, it only increases the stat you have. I mean if you have 1000 mastery 5000 haste and 3000 spirit, then you will have an overall of 1060 mastery, 5300 haste and 3180 spirit.
So basically if your aren't goodly geared this won't make you any better.
1 more thing i would like to mention - druids, priests and shamans benefit the MOST out of this item, as they get hit out of spirit. So, basically, if you have this trinket items with spirit are better for you than items with hit, as you will be able to have hit cap faster and aim for other 2ndary stats.

Kommentar von Aldones

Although the tooltip rounds all three values to "6%," you DO get an increased value for upgrading Purified Bindings of Immerseus.

Ampliefied Value

0/2: 5.54543%
1/2: 5.75600%
2/2: 5.97458%

Source: Keldion's DOT/HOT Haste Calculations 5.4. Because Keldion works for SimCraft, he has access to Blizzards actual tables.

Kommentar von Bluesius

Kommentar von 808170

So, as a Disc (atonement) priest, can I still get the buff? Just curious.

Kommentar von rappydoo21

I've been very unfortunate so far about obtaining this trinket.
I just have a quick question: When it 'amplifies' Haste/Mastery/Spirit by 6% (or more specifically 5.5% at 0/2), with 25% spell haste, for example, does it become 30.5% spell haste, or (25x1.055)= 26.38% spell haste? I'm guessing the latter, but am unsure.

Kommentar von 944245

As a short conclusion, this trinket unfortunately doesn't proc off Holy Fire, Smite and Penance, despite them being damage-spells.
(Confirmed by own experience, GM's, blueposts, forum posts and training dummy sessions).
So it's pretty much useless for discipline priests. (Besides the raw stat amplification).

The only way for disc priests to proc it is melee-attacking the opponent, which of course isn't very useful in most situations... ;)

As a disc priest, better stick to other trinkets like Prismatisches Stolzgefängnis, Deformiertes Samophlang der Diskontinuität or Thoks säuregekerbter Zahn.
Maybe even Beruhigender Talisman des Shado-Pan-Vorstoßes from Shado-Pan Assault if you are unlucky with bossdrops, available for 1155 valor points.

Kommentar von 712374

So according to Icy Veins, this is the best "type" of trinket for Holy Paladins. The heroic warforged version is BiS. However the Raid Finder version isn't on the Paladin loot list at all.

Kommentar von Aldones

Ampliefied Value

0/2: 7.40248%
1/2: 7.68357%
2/2: 7.97534%

Source: Keldion's DOT/HOT Haste Calculations 5.4. Because Keldion works for SimCraft, he has access to Blizzards actual tables.

Kommentar von Bluesius

Kommentar von 574595

Geläuterte Bindungen von Immerseus combinate with Prismatisches Stolzgefängnis

Kommentar von Aldones

Ampliefied Value

0/2: 8.35568%
1/2: 8.67297%
2/2: 9.00231%

Source: Keldion's DOT/HOT Haste Calculations 5.4. Because Keldion works for SimCraft, he has access to Blizzards actual tables.

Kommentar von Bluesius

Kommentar von 1211398

This dropped for me, but it doesnt seem to work for Disc Priests. Only dps (shadow) Should have said so in the tooltip..

Kommentar von bathazar

Kommentar von Cobray

Since 4/4 upgrade is out and Keldion's spreadsheet is not updated yet.
Here is the formula for the amplify percentage from Keldion's spreadsheet.

Amp. % = 1.15^(( item level - 553) / 15) *7

For example, a heroic warforged 4/4 upgraded version ( ilv 588) will give:
1.15^(( 588- 553) / 15) *7 = 9.69898603849%

This is just for the people who don't want to chew the spreadsheet and get the info.
All credit goes to Keldion!

Kommentar von 1308648

This trinket is also good for guardian druids and brewmaster monks.You don't care about intellect but the amplify.So if there are druid and monk tanks without thok's trinket this is also a good one to wear.

Kommentar von sticknsquirt

Have not yet read anywhere yet, but has anyone found any use for it on beta whilst leveling, or amidst levels is it just not worth using... Should we drop it asap and pick something else up?

Kommentar von schnizol

How does it scale with levelling? How long will it be viable in WoD?

Kommentar von Gotnov

really good in low level pvp if you get it on a low level character

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