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Kommentar von Felweed

Just a heads up, because it's not entirely obvious, Ancient potions scale with your level, in how much HP/Mana they restore! If you craft them on a level 100, don't fret that they only restore the same amount of HP/Mana as the Warlords potions!

Kommentar von Clexarews

It seems you can obliterate these for 1-2 dust per! And here I thought Alchemists were screwed out of obliterum!

Kommentar von Aaahead

Recipe Ranks:

Rank 1 recipe lets you make potions with 4Yserallinensamen and a Kristallphiole each at the Dalaran Alchemy Station.

Rank 2 recipe lets you make them with the same mats, but without being at the Dalaran Alchemy Station. The recipe is given to you by chance while crafting rank 1 potions.

Rank 3 recipe lets you make them with the same mats, but gives a chance to create 1 to 19 extra potions per crafting (usually you get no extras, or one extra; 19 is the most reported in this thread so far). I've crafted a couple hundred potions with rank 3, and average 1.5 potions per crafting. In other words, if you have mats for 100, you should get about 150 pots. The recipe is given to you by chance while crafting rank 2 potions.

Obliterating Potions:

Uralter Heiltranks can be obliterated if you have an Obliterum Forge. You obtain an average of 1.5 Obliterumaschees per potion, and need 100 ashes per obliterum. It's rather tedious to obliterate hundreds of potions, but depending on the cost of materials for other obliterum sources on your realm, this may be among the cheapest options.

Sample Obliterum cost analysis using Uralter Heiltranks: As of September 10, 2016, Yserallinensamen cost around 20 gold each across realms, making the cost of a rank 2 pot 80g (4x20g), and the cost of a rank 3 pot 53.3g (4x20g/1.5). You'll need to obliterate on average 66.6 pots to get 100 Obliterumaschees, so one Obliterum from rank 2 pots would cost 5328 gold (66.6x80g), and one Obliterum from rank 3 pots would cost 3549 gold (66.6x53.3g). With Obliterums costing nearly 5000-6000 gold on many realms right now, that could be a decent savings/profit margin. Remember though, obliterating is time consuming. It takes 2-3 clicks per obliteration depending on how you do it, with slight delays for the game to process the actions, so making several obliterums might drive you nuts.

Healing Performance and Tips:

Both healing potions and Gesundheitssteins now scale how much they heal based on your normal health level, but healing potions heal more than healthstones at a given level. At level 110 and around 850 item level, a player might find a Uralter Heiltrank heals for 550,000 health, while healthstones heal for around 400,000, meaning the potions heal for around one third more than healthstones. They share the same healing consumable cooldown during a fight (also shared with shield consumables like Schildtronischer Schild), so you can only take one healing potion or one healthstone while in combat, then when you're out of combat (even if you die and are battle-rezzed), a 60 second timer begins on when you can use another. The healing consumable cooldown is completely separate from the performance consumable cooldown on items like intellect, agility, or strength potions; you can drink an agility pot before combat, drink another after the 60 second cooldown is up during combat, and still use a healing pot or healthstone at any time during combat.

Serious players should never use healthstones unless healing pots cost more than their time is worth if they die, or they ran out - if someone is close enough to dying that a healthstone makes a difference, then the difference between that and a healing potion (which heal for a third more) can also make a difference. Some players who use healthstones do so because they think they heal for the same amount, or don't realize that healing potions use the same cooldown, separate from their performance consumable cooldown.

Alchemists wearing an Infernaler Alchemistenstein (or even older alchemy trinkets like Draenischer Stein der Weisen) get an additional 40% healing from healing potions (totaling 761,763 health at level 110), which they do not get from healthstones.

Kommentar von Vrogue

I managed to get rank 3 on my Alchemist after about 400 odd potions brewed. I often received 2x, sometimes 3x but just one time did I manage to proc 19x potions in one go! Proof: http://imgur.com/a/GT0dq

Kommentar von jakearmitage

For me it took a bit longer to get level 3 than it seemed to do for others - it took me a bit over 800 potions to get level 3. You just have to keep going. Believe in me, who believes in you!

Also, i have done tests with how many potions you get from crafting with level 3 and this is the numbers i've gotten:

193 crafts, 261 potions (1.35 potions per craft)
135 crafts, 185 potions (1.37 potions per craft)
152 crafts, 238 potions (1.57 potions per craft)
75 crafts, 120 potions (1.6 potions per craft)
113 crafts, 183 potions (1.62 potions per craft)
159 crafts, 226 potions (1.42 potions per craft)

I'll add more numbers when i craft large batches, ~~but you seem to get closer to ~1.35 potions per craft rather than 1.5.~~

EDIT: As i have crafted more pots now the average pots per craft is now approx. 1.47 pots/craft for me.

Kommentar von rfuilrez

After a large number of crafted potions at Rank 3, here is my current data for turning Yserallinensamen to Obliterum.

2217 Uralter Heiltrank Combines
3318 Uralter Heiltrank Received
1.496 Proc Rate

3318 Uralter Heiltrank Obliterated
4915 Obliterumasche Received
1.481 Proc Rate

2.67 Yserallinensamen Per Pot (avg)
1.481 Obliterumasche Per Pot (avg)
67.51 Uralter Heiltrank per 100 Obliterumasche (1 Obliterum)
180.43 Yserallinensamen per 100 Obliterumasche (1 Obliterum)

At 12g per seed, it costs 2,165.13 to craft 1 Obliterum

Kommentar von tom549

got a x15 proc.. nothing higher as yet

http://pasteboard.co/aXyTjc0hO.png

Kommentar von phantom325

Got a X20 proc today, literally my first craft after I bought ~20K Seeds. https://gyazo.com/03afa302fe679699cb26fd1a927b4579

Kommentar von Yotingo

Cost analysis for Obliterating:

Obliterating Uralter Heiltrank
Ingredients:
4x Yserallinensamen = 40 gold
1x Kristallphiole = negligible

Makes about 1.5x Obliterumasche each.
Est. Gold Value per Obliterum = 3,000 gold

Advantages: Yseralline Seeds are cheap as well as easy to harvest. You get them on most Broken Isles herb nodes. This recipe at Rank 3 also has a chance to proc and create more potions, potentially lessening your total cost. Cheapest method without relying on gathering your own resources.
Disadvantages: clicking muscles will cry

As compared to...

Obliterating Infernaler Alchemistenstein
Ingredients:
1x Infernoschwefel = 200 gold
5x Teufelswurz = 1,500 gold
3x Blut von Sargeras = Unbuyable, est. 450 gold in value

Makes about 140x Obliterumasche each.
Est. Gold Value per Obliterum: 1,536 gold

Advantages: Clicking muscles will be happy! Relatively cheap if you have the Bloods.
Disadvantages: Must gather Blut von Sargeras on your own, must rely on other player (or sufficiently leveled miner of your own) to obtain Infernoschwefel.

Obliterating Trank der verlängerten Macht
Ingredients:
1x Blut von Sargeras = Unbuyable, est. cost 150 gold
10x Kristallphiole = negligible
(This produces 10 potions each.)

Makes about 1.5x Obliterumasche each.
Estimated Gold Value per Obliterum = 1,125 gold

Advantages: You probably have a ton of Bloods lying around, making this cost less than 2 gold (the cost of the vials) for each Obliterum!
Disadvantages: clicking muscles will cry, lots of time invested into gathering if you don't have the Bloods already

Oblierating Uralter Manatrank
Ingredients:
5x Yserallinensamen = 50 gold
1x Kristallphiole = negligible

Makes about 1.5x Obliterumasche each.
Est. Gold Value per Obliterum = 3,750 gold

Advantages: Yseralline Seeds are cheap as well as easy to harvest. You get them on most Broken Isles herb nodes. This recipe at Rank 3 also has a chance to proc and create more potions, potentially lessening your total cost.
Disadvantages: clicking muscles will cry, costs more seeds than Uralter Heiltrank

Obliterating Fläschchen des geflüsterten Pakts or Fläschchen des Siebten Dämons
Ingredients:
7x Sternlichtrose = 280 gold
10x first herb (see individual recipes) = 200 gold
10x second herb = 200 gold
1x Kristallphiole = negligible

Makes about 4x Obliterumasche each.
Est. Gold Value per Obliterum: 17,000 gold

Disadvantages: Simply not cost effective! Clicking muscles crying only slightly less than with the potions.

Obliterating Fläschchen der zahllosen Armeen or Fläschchen der zehntausend Narben
Ingredients:
7x Sternlichtrose = 280 gold
10x Aethril = 150 gold
10x other herb = 200 gold
1x Kristallphiole = negligible

Makes about 4x Obliterumasche each.
Est. Gold Value per Obliterum: 15,750 gold

Advantages: Aethril is slightly cheaper currently than other herbs, so these flasks cost less to make than the other kinds.
Disadvantages: Simply not cost effective! Clicking muscles crying only slightly less than with the potions.

Obliterating Geisterkessel
Don't do it. Just don't. You only get 4-9 Obliterumasche each. Even your clicking muscles won't be happy with you.

Kommentar von Bufe

For some weird reason, it says it requires PREVIOUS RANK on the RANK 2 recipee, and is RED with Patricia Egan, even if the recipee says "already known" on Rank 2

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