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Kommentar von desinraila

Proof: http://imgur.com/a/cju4b

- How much score did you have?

678.

- How many bosses did you kill?
All

- How many withered did you have alive at the end? How many did you start the scenario with? How many did you have at max?

20, 56, 56. Didn't loose a single one, even my berserker survived with 3%.

- Have you collected all chests that require sending Withered away?

Already had all.

- Any other variables that you think might in any way affect it.

Well, since like 4 runs i had all availabe upgrades so i only did till a score of 400 points so i get max rep.
After reading some stuff here i thought i try to finish it as good as possible. My previous 4 runs didnt give me anything except the 400+rep, this one surprisingly gave me the stormfist...
Kinda weird if you think about it... 4 times only 400 points= nothing, one time everything= Stormfist.

Good luck all!

Kommentar von Bojka

so maybe, this helps

ive done all szenarios since my monk could.
i cleard it every time to the end.
i always startet with 400 mana.
i dont kill all bosses and dont loot all chest.
today i killed all bosses and get all chests.
i finished with a score 665
and id dropps!
so i think: you have to clear all an looted all chests

Kommentare

Kommentar von salfredo

Unlocks an appearance for this artifact

Kommentar von sarfazar

Hi guys just had this drop for me from the end of the Withered Training scenario in Suramar adding a screen screenshot to confirm this too.

Kommentar von Scratz

Quick question about the hidden artifact.
Too those who got the hidden artifact, did you receive it from the big chest at the end that you get no matter what OR did you get it from the smaller ones you take out from the dungeon? :)

Kommentar von Shigoru

Just got mine today from the withered training quest from the chest which always appears at the end. Was quite happy :)

Kommentar von Traxex26

Does anyone know if you have to set loot spec to windwalker in order to get this? or does it drop for all specs?

Kommentar von Lufi

This drops from the chest you always get when the training is over, whether you made it to the end of the training or not. It is not a guaranteed drop. I don't know if score changes the drop rate, but I have made it to the end with 600+ points and still did not get it.

Kommentar von Traxex26

Just got this on live, had 40 withered left at 49% average hp and 631 score, I'm not sure if that affects the drop rate though, i also talked to the guy at the end of the instance to tp me back

Kommentar von grovis

Just got it! used the 1300 mana army and ended with 580 score, this was my forth try. Did this as WW.

Kommentar von Genoce

People commenting in here that "I got this today": Could you give all possible information that you know?
- How much score did you have?
- How many bosses did you kill? (there's a total of 6 bosses of which 3 are hidden behind locked doors)
- How many withered did you have alive at the end? How many did you start the scenario with? How many did you have at max?
- Have you collected all chests that require sending Withered away?
- Any other variables that you think might in any way affect it.

Things like this will help everyone track down if there's some requirements in gaining it or if it's just completely random.

Checking the comments so far make it seem like there's some requirements, but even after reaching those it's still random - since all people who got it say that they got 500+ score. I haven't seen anyone saying they got it with lower than that, so it leads to a conclusion that there's a requirement of getting past a certain score to have a chance at getting it.

Just as a note: Spark of the Fallen Exarch and Twisting Anima of Souls also come from the same place. I think they might all follow the same rules.

Kommentar von lordhakera32

Like most people, I've run the Scenario multiple times and have not dropped it, even though my score has always been 500+.

Can anyone confirm if they have dropped it while having Loot Specialization or current Spec at anything other than WW? It would be illogical to tie a Hidden Artifact Appearance to Loot Spec/Current Spec, but it is somewhat suspect that, seemingly, so few people have acquired it. It would also coincide with the tendency for people to run the Scenario as a Tank.

p.s. Little tip for Brewmasters running the Scenario - use the Ox Statue. It is insanely useful.

Kommentar von Beldox

Just got it from the Withered Training.

Had a total of 1010 Score when i left
http://i.imgur.com/V0lTLaC.jpg

This was my third attempt at the training, and all i had for chests(buffs/helmets) for my army were two chests of 10, both Berserkers(they are not as good as i thought btw, both died on Dro).
Went in with 2000 Mana.
Cleared everything, every boss and trash, got every withered i found, including the first door that requires you to have 2 berserkers to open in the very beggining.

I finished the run with 629 points, but in the last room there are about 5 mobs (4 + a pack of 3 spiderlings) that keep respawning, i grinded them for about 40 minutes for a total of 1010 score.

Kommentar von Sarsoman

Ended up with a score of 636 (did it as BrM), killed every boss and did every room but the berserker room, got the chest at the end, looted the hidden artifact appearance (respeced back to WW before leaving scenario) out of the main chest.

Kommentar von GarroshIcecream

finished this with 580 score but had no chest at the end ,...

Kommentar von FaraZ7

Just completed it with a score of 1012. Following what Beldox did. Farmed the last two packs for 40mins.
I ran as Brewmaster. Ox statue is Gods gift.
Got to the dude that teleports you out with 26 withered at 92% average hp.
Had one deserter after the final boss.
Berserk died during the Doro assassin dude.
Loot set to Windwalker.
Looted every Chest I found.
DID NOT do the room that requires two berserks.

All screenshots for proof/ eveidence.
http://imgur.com/gallery/bNGSI

If I remember something else I was edit.

Kommentar von Bigcountry11782

It looks like it just drops randomly from the chest you get at the end.When i mean the end you can walk in fail and still get it.I went all the way threw killed everything thinking well there we go i finally got to the very end killed everything now i will be rewarded with those sick stormfists.......NOPE!Its set that way for casuals i guess that can't actually get to the end.GG blizzard gate our artifact appearance behind rng.While other classes get theirs from just spending gold or doing a trivial quest chain.

Kommentar von Micro0

Just dropped from final chest as a Brewmaster (+ Brewmaster Loot Specialization). Had about 630+ points.

Kommentar von higra

Just dropped for me as well.

I followed what Beldox and FaraZ7 had done. Full clear including zerker room, have all the chests, score higher than 1k (1013), ended with 45 withered and used the guy at the end to teleport out.

At this point, I don't feel its RNG as this was my first attempt researching how to get the hidden artifact. It seems the unlock probability is tied to the score, number of chests collected, and/or the amount of withered you end the scenario with.

Kommentar von Limelols

It just dropped for me and I saw a comment asking for information, but am unable to reply for some reason. So I will answer all of those questions here. Hopefully this helps others as well.

How much score did you have?
709

How many bosses did you kill? (there's a total of 6 bosses of which 3 are hidden behind locked doors)
All of them.

How many withered did you have alive at the end? How many did you start the scenario with? How many did you have at max?
Had 58 when I ended. Started with 20. Highest I had at one point was 58. I am unsure if any died, but I don't think any did.

Have you collected all chests that require sending Withered away?
Yes.

Any other variables that you think might in any way affect it?
The only thing different about this run, than my previous 2 or 3, was that I had so many withered alive by the end of it. I usually end with ~45, not 58.

Another question I see people asking eachother is, which spec? I did this as Windwalker. WW loot spec as well.

I think it's simply an RNG drop, but there's all of the information I have. Good luck, everyone.

Bonus image in case I missed something:
http://i.imgur.com/0Zhj0j5.jpg

Kommentar von desibel

Spec: Brewmaster
LootSpec:Windwalker
Army: 20 (No berserker)
Score:630

Killed every bosses and finished at the end of tunnel after spider boss.
Except the door wants 2x berserker.(i didnt have them)
Than i turned back for few chest with remaining army which was 35
3x 10 chest and 1x 5 chest i sended back for rewards.

Got it from big chest the one you get whatever you do after done with scenario.At
my 4th try.

Happy hunts and Gl.

http://imgur.com/a/d4Ap7

Kommentar von Maggotron

Got it today. I started with 10 withered, did a speedrun <20 minutes, skipping the first 2 rooms. Ended with ~640 score or so and 30 something withered. I've cleared it all I think 4 times, previously I've usually killed all bosses, this time I even skipped 2 rooms. I've always played WW and had lootspec as WW.

Kommentar von jabbiz

Got it today, very happy!

I started with 20 withered, and made my way til the end first, only opening the doors as I went (not killing the bosses inside), and only killing the bosses needed to move on. Had 45 withered by the time I got to the end.
I then went back to clear every room, and pick up every chest. The only boss I did not take was the giant at the end.
After getting bavk to the end, I farmed the mobs that respawn a little bit, just to get over 800 score since people seem to think score increases the odds.
I completed the scenario with 811 score and 10 withered left. The Stormfist dropped from the guaranteed chest.
I had done the scenrio 3 times before. I did it as Brewmaster with Windwalker loot spec.

To make it clear:

- How much score did you have?: 811
- How many bosses did you kill? (there's a total of 6 bosses of which 3 are hidden behind locked doors): 5
- How many withered did you have alive at the end? How many did you start the scenario with? How many did you have at max? 10 at the end, started with 20, 45 at max.
- Have you collected all chests that require sending Withered away? Yes, picked up the last ones this run.
- Any other variables that you think might in any way affect it: Tbh I think it's a little random and luck. I dont think blizz intended people to farm respawning mobs and really spend a lot of time getting the score up. Seems a little wierd to me.

Kommentar von Kaemas

Just got mine today.

709 score, 54 alive averaging 88% hp

Started with 20 (2000 mana), full cleared all trash and bosses (including berserker room).
Brewmaster spec, WW loot spec.
I had already looted all 5 and 10 withered chests in prior runs.

I've been running this scenario since the first week of legion, and I feel like this was probably my best run. I've been consistently getting above 500 score for my past several runs though.

Kommentar von dekallo

Just dropped for me out of the big chest at the end after a full clear with 726 score, Brewmaster spec and Brewmaster loot spec. Finished with 58 withered I think (I don't think I lost any). I had already looted all the other chests. Last run was nearly identical except I only got 725 score for some reason.

I think it's probably just a random chance once you get past a certain score threshold.

Kommentar von Toddlecot

Got my hulk hands today!

Started with 20 withered fully buffed. I had got all the chests and finish the scenario previously. When I finished it previously i had a score of 700 exactly but not sure on how many withered i had.

Today i ended with 55 withered and a score of 723. Only had the one huge chest at the end since all the others have been gathered previously, that is the chest it comes out of if you were wondering.

I assume it still is a percentage, maybe increased after 700? No idea

Kommentar von lillen8

Does anyone know the Tmorph item ID for this weapon? The one in the URL isnt working.

Kommentar von pico95

" the power within it seems to originate from both Therazane and Al'Akir, a very unexpected union."

Al'Akir: - ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° ) ... -

Therazane: - ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° ) ... -

Al'Akir: - ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° ) Shall we do it? -

Therazane: - (⚆ ͜ʖ⚆) Let's do it! -

Kommentar von CaptainKirby

Got it today, the day after getting lvl 5 artifact knowledge.. could just be random!

Kommentar von Rhacius

I got it today with artifact knowledge level 2 and a 612 score in the scenario. I skipped quite a few mobs, I did not do the right wing room with all the elementals and I skipped the lower floor of the dryad/spiderling room.

Kommentar von cesp00l

I got this today. I'm interested in Transmoging to make this look like a set. Anyone have any ideas on what armor set pieces would go with this?

My run was about 700 points, fully cleared as far as I know, including the Berserker room, finished with 50+ withered. All my boxes were already opened so I didn't use any withered on them. I ran it through as WW. Started with 20 withered.

Kommentar von Sydwase

Received the Stormfist today from large chest at the end of the scenario. A few notes on my run.

-Windwalker spec
-Score 706
-All chests opened, the last two remaining I had were opened on this run.
-All bosses and enemies killed.
-Talked to NPC at end of run.

Good luck to those still waiting for a drop.

Kommentar von ZIGMER

For those that already have the hidden appearance, Here's how to track your hidden artifact appearance color variants through achievement progress:

/run AddTrackedAchievement(11152) - Complete 30 dungeons using a hidden artifact appearance. (This achievement does not display correctly)
/run AddTrackedAchievement(11153) - Complete 200 world quests using a hidden artifact appearance.
/run AddTrackedAchievement(11154) - Kill 1,000 players using a hidden artifact appearance.

Check all your hidden artifact appearance progress using this script
/run local q,x,_,a,b = GetAchievementCriteriaInfo,0 for i=1,11 do _,_,_,a,b = q(11152,i) x=a end local _,_,_,c,d = q(11153,1) local _,_,_,e,f = q(11154,1) print("Dungeons: "..x.."/"..b) print("WQs: "..c.."/"..d) print("Kills: "..e.."/"..f)

Note: Completing any of these achievements will complete them for all your other specializations on that character, regardless of having unlocked the consumable items for your other specs.
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The correct achievement ID's were shared by hamza1306 on the WoW subreddit - source
The script was shared by MMOSimca on the same topic on WoW's subreddit - source

Kommentar von Amidaman

Looted this today, confirming that your score does not matter.
I had a score of around 200, looted stormfist from the chest you get no matter what.

So it either drops or it doesnt. Feel free to stop with your silly speculations now.

Kommentar von wheeltrain

Got mine today. Proof: http://imgur.com/a/aC4PL

Spec: Brewmaster with windwalker loot specialization set.

Score: 600 or less. No farming was done.

Full Clear: yes, all bosses dead inlcuding hiidden & room that requires 2 withered berserkers at the beginning.

All Chests Unlocked: No, I still have 2 glimmering (10 withered each) chests I need to unlock. Only unlocked one regular chest requiring 5 withered this run (in the berserker room).
Withered Remaining: 26 on full completion of scenario

Telemancy Beacon Used: Yes, I used the beacon while I had 26 withered. I meant to use it to go back to the beginning of the scenario to unlock the 2 glimmering chests i skipped. However it auto-ended the scenario when i used the beacon. I thought i messed up but got my skin anyway.

Other Notes
I did more or less the same thing as this last run except I did not have the berserker room unlocked yet. This was my first run with the 2 withered berserker room unlocked and clearing the entire dungeon.

Best of luck guys. This is a really cool skin and is frustrating to obtain with a 3 day cool down on the training w/ seemingly RNG chance.

Kommentar von Coldpaw

No luck yet. I have ran the scenario four times using 900 mana as well as two runs with 2000 mana.
Today I completed the run in full for the first time with 2000 mana, as my last 2000 mana run was failed before I could get the key.

I am thinking that what we're looking at could be all about RNG.
See info below.

- How much score did you have?
761.

- How many bosses did you kill? (there's a total of 6 bosses of which 3 are hidden behind locked doors)
All bosses that were engageable. Cleared out all the trash mobs I could as well.

- How many withered did you have alive at the end? How many did you start the scenario with? How many did you have at max?
End: 11
Started: 20
Max: 47

- Have you collected all chests that require sending Withered away?
I have collected all hidden chests other than one 5-withered chest on Floor 2.
(See maps, http://i.imgur.com/u8R5Lpq.png, http://i.imgur.com/4QKUv6B.png)

- Any other variables that you think might in any way affect it.
- I am Artifact Knowledge 6.
- No Suramar buffs other than Leyline Mastery.
- One user below commented saying they got their Stormfist with a score of 200, didn't finish the scenario in full.
- Revered, half-way to exalted with Nightfallen. All possible storylines complete.
- Did Scenario as Windwalker, loot set as Windwalker.
- Talked to Oculeth at the end, did not use the beacon to teleport out.
- Doubt time would affect any of this, but scenario was completed under 1/2-hr.

Proof of recent run that did not reward item:
http://i.imgur.com/F8FiIvs.png
http://i.imgur.com/Ou94Fk0.png

Kommentar von Pagale

Got myself stormfist today. Score 669, in the last phase I had 2 large chests , like 4 small chests and the main chest. The skin was inside the main chest. Did the scenario as a brewmaster, switched to ww when I was about to exit the scenario. Completely cleared the scenario. Im only friendly with nightfallen. First time I did this scenario as a wq. Hope this somehow helps.

Kommentar von Sprayz4Dayz

Got the stormfist just now from withered training main chest, had all chests already, cleared all trash and all 6 bosses, score 700+ (dont remember exact), called in withered as WW, killed all but last 3 mobs as BM last 3 as WW, cleared with 60 withered alive, Exalted with nightfallen, started with 20 withered, AK 6.

Kommentar von Kinetyx

Just got these today:

-Started with 15 withered.
-Ended with 49 withered.
-Scored 600 something (I think it was 634 but not exactly sure).
-Full clear other than the room that requires two berserkers.

I had all of the chests already unlocked, and did the clear as ww.

Kommentar von 318397

Got mine today. Good luck to all. TL:DR: It is probably rng.

I started my scenario as ww, and summoned my army as ww. I do much better as brewmaster, but I had a crazy thought, which is clearly ludicrous because I know there are people who aren't clearing the whole thing and as brewmaster. However, I killed most things as windwalker. Dro, the elite spiders, and bosses I all killed as Brewmaster. But every withered I collected I did as ww. This was also my first time clearing the beserker room and getting that chest which meant I now have all chests.

My score was 706 when I went back for the beserker room, I do not recall my ending number. I started with 20 and ended with 45. I also walked all the way to the end to ask to be ported out, which I also did as ww. Essentially my crazy thought was that clearing it and doing every interaction as ww, minus killing bosses and the elites, and getting most of my score as ww.

I say it is rng because there is no merit to what I did really having any effect. I just think this run which I tried the hardest on happened to be when I got it. Much like when I surrounded my green proto-drake on my second cracked egg when I thought surrounding it in my bag with 8 Eternal Lifes would influence it and I got the dragon. I am totally willing to chuck it up to luck on both accounts of my crazy crackpot theories simply coincidentally lining up with me getting the rare thing.

My apologies for my long winded post. But I simply wanted to contribute what I could to help.

TL:DR I'm probably crazy and/or lucky. It is probably RNG. Best of luck to you monks out there!

Kommentar von Jinpaw

So I got The Stonefist skin token from the Whitered Army traning today! Here is my point of view on it, i guess:

Proof: http://imgur.com/mX6UC5q

- How much score did you have?

I only ended with 630.

- How many bosses did you kill? (there's a total of 6 bosses of which 3 are hidden behind locked doors)

Only 3 as the boss with the key to open the locked door to get to the end didn't spawn for me for some reason. The boss behind the door that requieres a set amount of whitered to open in the start, the "first spider" boss, and the big arcane boss (I am sorry, I cant remember the bosses names.) I also did the room that needs 2 Berserkers to open btw.

- How many withered did you have alive at the end? How many did you start the scenario with? How many did you have at max?

Started with 20, had up to 45 and ended with 45, as said above, the boss with the key to the locked door didn't spawn for me this run.

- Have you collected all chests that require sending Withered away?

Yes, I've collected all the chest already, haven't had a chest to send away for a few weeks, got them all pretty early.

- Any other variables that you think might in any way affect it.

Not sure, I was winderwalker spec and had winderwalker as loot option, just in case, when I looted the end chest and got the skin token. Looted as many little chest as possible and cleared most of the first part of the senario.

I'm pretty sure i didn't loose a single whitered from start to "finish", maybe that ups the drop chance, who knows. (again as I have stated above, the boss with the key to the locked door didn't spawn so had to end the senario early)

Kommentar von Xeiristos

Alright guys, i think i found out the exact method of acquiring these awesome fists,just got them from the main chest after finishing the scenario. So actually i think the sole condition for them to drop from the main chest is to actually loot all of the big chests from all of the runs you've ever made.I've made that scenario around 6-7 times and only the 3 last of them have actually been "perfect" (basicaly killed all of the bosses except the door which requires 2 berserkers).In my last run only 1 chest appeared so i came to the conclusion that actually the big chests are limited throughout the runs you make and they do not respawn( sorry if that's common knowledge, i just found out :P ).So when i collected the sole big chest that was left, when i finished the run, i found the hidden artifact in the main chest.

So in conclusion:
-Collect all of the big chests(doesn't have to be in 1 single run,i collected them through 3-4 runs)

Additional info just incase:
-finished with 42 zambies, started with 15, 1 of them was berserker, 2 were the magicians and one oracle (sorry dont remember the actual names)
-i had the buff that increases dmg by 25%
-i finished at around 670 points (basically kill everything except the locked door that requires 2 berserkers)
-i have artifact knowledge lvl5
-honored with nightfallen and i havent finished the main storyline, i've been only up to chapter 4

that's all i guess, i can't really accept that looting the hidden artifact right when i collected all of the chests was just RNG, but that's just me.

proof: http://imgur.com/a/ACUXl

Kommentar von Delekii

There are a lot of comments here now stating the upper limits of when people have got stormfist; what would actually be useful at this point is the lowest limit of people who have got it.

It would be really awsome to get a confirmation that I can just run the 425p for the rep that I need and leave and still be able to get the stormfist.. right now I feel compelled to almost clear the place, which is incredibly boring the 30th or 40th time.

Kommentar von Chiki

From what I've been reading and what I've experienced it seems like the appearance is just a random drop or the prereq's are completed just by playing your Monk normally (Level <4 Artifact Research etc).

If anything your end score MIGHT contribute to the chance of it dropping but the drop chance already seems pretty generous, maybe even as high as a 10% drop chance.

If I discover anything else I'll make sure to post it but keep your eye on the comments to see if we all missed something simple which causes it to drop.

Kommentar von Benstylez

I got this on the same run that I got my last upgrades for the Withered Army :)

Might be corelated

Kommentar von Shauolin

I obtained mine today.
I had a end score just over 500, I have not unlocked every box, I did not fully clear. Most bosses were still up, I killed Dro and the Spider boss. I was killed by the Elfbreaker which my withered aggro'd :/ as I was trying to sneak around to obtain more withered before trying to tackle him and was caught in a corner so most my withered died quickly.

It looks like this is really just a random drop from the final chest as I was a long way from clearing this

Kommentar von mojo26

I believe it is completely RNG. I finally received the Stormfist after doing 10+ full clears with score over 600 each time. There may be a low end requirement (400+?) but after that I think it is pure RNG.

Kommentar von Leione

You don't need to beat any boss nor score.
Independent to your loot spec.
it drops from Quest Reward chest (the biggest one at the end of the quest)
Simply get in there with 400-2000 Ancient Mana, kill some mobs finish, leave, die doesn't matter loot the chest and Ta-Da.... enjoy your new Hidden apperiance. Enjoy and Good Luck...

Kommentar von bobalosa

Can you run the scenario multiple times in one day or is it a daily/weekly thing?

Kommentar von TellusE

Finally dropped for me.

Quick stats:

+710 score (can't remember 713 or 719 - but higher than 710)
Started with 8 withered, all upgrades.
Brewmaster spec and Brewmaster loot specialisation. I.e. loot spec did not matter.

At this point I honestly think it's entirely random. I'm still hoping that score affects the roll, though.

Kommentar von Mordena

Confirmed drop today! This is my 4th time doing the scenario. Went in with 20 withered (costs 2000 ancient mana), consisting of one starcaller, one mana-rager and two beserkers. Cleared EVERYTHING with about 16 withered left. I looted all the small chests during the run and after I cleared I went back and looted 1 glimmering (requires 10 withered) and one normal treasure chest (requires 5 withered). The Stormfist dropped from the large chest at the end of the scenario where you open all your gathered chests

Kommentar von Terrorshark

Been doing full clears since pretty much Legion launch and it never drops. Have frickin' mercy.

Kommentar von Suliso

Looted mine two days ago.
Cleared everything but the 2 Berserker room.
What I noticed everytime I cleared all I got a toy/pet in the box. Maybe shares the loot spot with the skin.
I also tried completing it right at the start with 0 points no luck then. Just 150 Rep and not much else.
My score was 680ish and I started with 8 withered (400 Mana) had arround 30+ withered at the end.
Good Luck to all of you hunting for it.

Kommentar von WearyKatie

Had this drop today in the big chest at the end of the Withered Army training. Cleared all but the two berserker door room because I messed up a pull and got destroyed by mana ragers. Score was around 680. I've been running the scenario every time it's available since I got that far in the Nightfallen questline and it took that long to drop. It's just random and a lot of us have really really bad luck. Keep running it, it will drop eventually.

Can also confirm that the Stormfist does not make Hulk noises.

Kommentar von Doomkaster

After months of attempting to get this with no luck, I was beginning to wonder if there were any limitations aside from score (which has already been ruled out). I decided to run a script to see if I had all of the one time chests (I was pretty sure I did, but wasn't entirely sure), which ended up telling me I was missing one. So the next time I ran it, I made sure to get that chest, and after I did I immediately ended the scenario to see if my guaranteed end box had the appearance in them, which it did. I am unsure if this is a coincidence, but if you're having no luck, I suggest making sure you have all the one time only boxes.

Kommentar von Ramiru

Been doing the scenario every 3 days with minimum 415 score and still no luck so far.

Kommentar von Deadguns12

This thing is legit impossible to get I don't understand. The drop rate has to be insanely low because I run it every 3 days full 700+ points every single time and nothing, nothing, nothing. Months of countless wasted time doing this bull!@#$. I'm just starting to question if my character is bugged at this point because this is ridiculous. Anyone else run this every chance they get and still absolutely nothing?

Kommentar von Njasey

if score doesnt matter ... ill take the shortcut now. enter with 400 mana, first room to the right, pull them all, get killed. out. no more suramar farming, no more withered training. no more headache

Kommentar von Havok17

Talked a Gm this is not a guaranteed drop I had a score of 701 cleared out the entire place every mob every boss opened every chest and got nothing

Kommentar von mathiaslindberg

I tried looting this for weeks, and today I finally decided to go through the entire thing, kill EVERYTHING and loot EVERYTHING. I finally got it. If you're not getting it, try going through the entire thing!

Kommentar von Havok17

complete rng I completed this two ti.especially in a row with a score of 718 and every box looted and 45+ withered army remaining. Even a Gmail told me it's not guaranteed.

Kommentar von iamAugis

Got them today after running every single withered training since the start.
587 points, 41 withered, 88% health.
Did it for the second time as a BrM with BrM loot pool selected.

Best of luck to others... -hug-

Kommentar von cstober2010

FINALLY! I've been doing this for a long time, on TWO monks even!

I had a full clear with 713 points and 39 withered. Dont give up!

Kommentar von xbkuba

Can we please can some kind of bad luck protection on this thing? Or atleast make the chance higher. I ve done this scenario so many times that I can probably do it without looking at the screen and I really hate it, but I want the appearance so hard that I will do it til it dont drop to me which will be never but thanks for your time...

Kommentar von verduran

I'm starting to think the score does matter when considering the drop rate of the artifact skins. This is what happened to me:

My monk hit 110 on 13th Dec, it took me a few clears to pick up all the chests, and I've been clearing the place on CD for more than two months, ending as soon as i hit over 400 score (along with two other chars that I hit max level with as soon as legion dropped for the fox mount). And during these 20 or so clears with scores just over 400, no skin dropped.

After reading through comments here seeing most people getting their drops with score over 600, and finally getting the invitation from emissary cache few days ago (thus saving my two other chars from the grinding hell), I decided to start doing full clears on my monk instead. And the first time I did that (scored over 650, ended the scenario talking to the teleportation device), the skin dropped for me.

I'm not saying that the skin absolutely CANNOT drop with low scores (as comments here seem to have proven otherwise), I'm just leaning towards a higher drop rate with higher scores based on my personal experience.

Hope it helps, and good luck to all.

Edited: I know I have definitely lucked out on this one, but after running yet another alt (a paladin) for the Prot skin, managed to grab most of the chests by the third run (and ending the scenario with scores over 500,500,700 respectively). Grabbed the remaining two medium chests on my fourth try, ending the scenario with score over 650 and the skin dropped right away.
While this is by no means any confirmation on higher drop chances with higher scores, given how it went for my two toons so far, I would definitely be full clearing if I ever have another toon in need of running it again.

Kommentar von Panadian

Just dropped for me today,no more damn withered training . Not sure if its RNGesus or not but i tried many ways to do this.Tried going in killing first boss or two then intentionally dying,skin never dropped for me that method. I tried going in clearing all bosses leaving some trash,had an avg score of 550 ish still no skin. SO today i paid 400 crystals and cleared EVERY single MOFO thing opened all chest finished with a score of 709 and 30 withered and it dropped. Best of luck

Kommentar von dhomeli

Dropped for me today. I had a score of 711 and had 51 withered by the end of the training scenario. I had previously already opened all of the big (10 withered required) and small (5 withered required) chests. I picked up all of the really small (no withered required) chests I could find and cleared out every mob and boss in the scenario that I saw. I started the training by spending the 1300 Ancient Mana (that gives you 15 withered to start with).

I had previously tried doing the minimum scores listed on these comments (200, 400, etc.) but opted to just full clear rather than risking missing the drop. So unfortunately I can't clarify one way or another if the score truly matters.

Hopefully some of this information is helpful.

Kommentar von lizardo

Finally got this after running every 3 days since launch (6 months in)
Full clear about 400 score.
For anyone interested I did contact a GM about the drop rate and they confirmed that while hidden appearances from bosses and raids DO have bad luck protection. The devs never actually added bad luck protection for the withered training chest. Which is BS.

Kommentar von Calicotton

Just got this in brewmaster spec. My score was about 500, had 0 withered and died on my second boss. Kinda unsuccessful and didn't really know what I was doing...until I opened the chest at the end. This was my first attempt.

Kommentar von tomloon

I got this today with a score of 715 and 45 guys left. I talked to Chief Telemancer Oculeth to complete the instance. I had all chests previously looted. I started with 15 guys. This was my third run. *Edit* I forgot to mention I was Brewmaster with Windwalker Spec Loot.

Kommentar von alpanhell

Bad news, it looks like you have to complete the Withered Training (run to completion) to get the hidden skin.

I have a DK, Paladin and a Monk. I'd been completing the Withered Training for months with no luck and wasn't able to get any of the 3 hidden skins (each class has one from withered training). So I figured, knowing Blizz, they wouldn't require you to run to completion that it would just be a rng thing on the chest. So for months I just went in on each toon and killed a few things and either left the withered behind, got killed or ended it by talking to Tharyssa. I did not get the hidden skins on any of the 3 doing it this way.

Then just for the heck of it I decided to run through the entire Withered Training again (complete it) on my DK. Sure enough I got the skin. So that week I ran it through on my Paladin and my Monk and got the skin too. So to me that's proof that you need to complete the training (for me that means run clear to the end, killing everything on the way a complete clear) to get the skins.

Since I got them all in the same week I'm guessing I hit some count that Blizz said they were going to add that made it so you would get the skins after so many losses. Whether my killing a few things counted as these losses who knows, that may be one way to boost up your losing counter.

Either way, real annoying that you have to clear.

Kommentar von Ickz

Just got it on my monk.

- Honored with Nightfallen.
- Was in WW spec and loot set to current spec
- Already had all the upgrades from previous runs.
- Went in with 8 or 10 withered (whatever the option for 650 mana is)
- Killed every single mob and boss inside - did not farm the last rooms or anything
- Score was 700something
- Ended with 41 withered - some of them including both my zerkers died.
- Talked to Oculeth at the end to finish

This was probably my 10th run or so. In previous ones I would make it to the end with only 450-500pts due to skipping some of the bosses and mobs, but tonight I made sure to kill every single mob and boss in the instance - making sure to even kill the ones on top of the webs in the one center room and whatnot.

Kommentar von Fierliane

Finally got this myself.

Revered with Nightfallen,
Brewmaster w/ Windwalker specialization (haven't bothered progressing past Dro)
Score: 400, Dro killed,

Keep at it, and it'll drop

Kommentar von Melilithia

Patrick: "AND HERE COMES THE GIANT FIST!"
Spongebob: "NO PATRICK!"

Anyone else think of this when they first saw the weapon skin?

Kommentar von superhero

I'm fresh 110 Monk 842 dauntless from the island and Artifact Knowledge 40 (send from my main) just friendly whit Nightfallen and I got the skin in my 1 run in the mision "Building an Army" not even the daily, I paid no mana to enter the scenario.

- How much score did you have?

420 or so.

- How many bosses did you kill? (there's a total of 6 bosses of which 3 are hidden behind locked doors)

No one, I die vs Leystalker Dro.

- How many withered did you have alive at the end? How many did you start the scenario with? How many did you have at max?

Started with the ones the quest give me.

- Have you collected all chests that require sending Withered away?

No, I only take one chess (5 elves).

- Any other variables that you think might in any way affect it.
I clean all the initial rooms for the 400+ score and I almost kill Leystalker Dro but failed in the end, so I rly did nothing.

Proof:
http://i.imgur.com/2DuEEzq.jpg

After I finished this, the World Quest "Whitered Army Training" is avaliable to me.

Character -Propapanda- Sanguino

Kommentar von TheWickedViking

Just got this on my monk yesterday on the intro quest to the army training. Got 510 points and took down all the boss's. My AK level was 40

Kommentar von junjaew

Just looted this, finished with score of 700, collected 36 withered, i looted all small chest I could find, this was my 4th run (not including introduction quest run). Happy hunting!

Kommentar von Lugaz

Got mine from my very first run.. score around 590 (it cringed me a little bit when i thought about guys who have been farming them for months..pain)

Kommentar von Ninerot

Patch 7.3.0 - H-Appearance rates increased according to Blizzard
After 5 runs I've got them, the same week 7.3.0 was released, according to Blizzard the chance of getting the hidden appearance has been increased to a reasonable number.

Kommentar von Kilburn

I found the quickest way to do this with minimal effort is to spend the minimum 400 mana then as soon as you enter and start with the withered just set them to berserk, mount up and go as far away as you can from them (Spiral stairs at the back of the start works best) and you will instantly fail, much quicker then going in to kill yourself.

Good luck!

Kommentar von yomang

Still running it every time its up, still no skin. I don't know what I am doing wrong

Kommentar von Rudy199

The best and most badass looking hidden appearance by far in game!

Kommentar von zenster

Looted this today. Had a score of 487. Ran five times prior all ending with a score of 200+. Honored with Nightfallen. Only killed one boss (Dro).

Kommentar von MatiSali23

Finally got it after more than 30 tries, previous one I got disconnected and lost any progress and loot t_t

My score for today was 643 (without opening Dro's door, I explain it below), I started with 8 Withered (lowest amount, at 400 mana) and cleared absolutely Everything, including every boss. I had all chests unlocked by this moment too.

I also experienced a bug in which Dro simply Didn't appeared... so I just left behind all my withered buddies (about 24 or so), finishing it quickly and THEN I got my hidden skin on the final chest (WW spec, WW loot).

Good luck to everyone and keep trying! Seems to have a freaky low drop rate but at last it will drop to you :)!

Kommentar von Dreadalous

So after I saw these bad boys I decided I would check how to get them on my Monk.

1: Started Nightfallen quests until I got the Withered training quest

2: Progressed through, killed Dro and got Dros Schlüssel

3: Opened a couple of chests that require 5 Withered to be teleported away

4: Picked up about 6 - 8 other Withered along the way (some free, some in cocoons)

5: End score was about 565 cause I was rushing it (killed everything in each room though)

6: Got to the end where Oculeth is waiting for u and clicked him to exit that part of the scenario

7: There was 4 chests waiting for me. 3 small and 1 large (The large one contained the Stormfists)

Seems I was DAMN lucky getting them on first go on that char as it seems for some it's an ongoing thing. Or perhaps there is a minimum score or bosses u need to kill , I have no idea.

Hope this helps peepz

Kommentar von coprinus

Well... I got it in my first run. It is 100% now or I was just lucky? Most information was already given, but the score and loot specialization doesn't matter.

Kommentar von Redtuzk

Finally got it today after spending 20-30 scenarios with instantly leaving, thereby getting score 0.
I decided on actually giving the scenario a shot today, and lo and behold, there was The Stormfist.

I stopped with a score around 500.
Not saying that it isn't possible with a score of 0, but it sure as hell seems like the chance is a lot of higher with a bit of score.

Kommentar von merenhuiske

Just got this today with score of little over 500

Kommentar von Prophethood

I got the hidden skin on my WW alt on the prerequisite quest... I hadn't even unlocked the WQ yet. SO.

Since I have farmed this WQ for half of the xpac on my rogue when ilvl was lower and things were buggier, I knew exactly what to do when I went in and could do it in my sleep. I went in using my 900 mana cap and finished the entire thing, with a score of 670+ and collecting 4 chests on the way. I killed almost everything in sight and grabbed every withered I could get my hands on for more chests. I healed my withered if they got low and was not stupid and use the ability button considering how weak your withered are at the beginning.

In conclusion, I don't believe it has anything to do with score/how many chests you get/how many withered you get, etc etc. It's most likely pure RNG. I just chronicled my achievement because MAYBE getting to the end helps in some way? I thought it wouldn't hurt to go as far as possible and get as much stuff as possible done in there instead of peacing out with a 400 score, and BOOM.

Can't hurt to try.

Kommentar von Corua

just got mine. completed the entire run til the end. grabbed 3 of the "5 withered chests" and all of the personal chests, score 429. ended with 1 withered left. Item was in the large chest.

Kommentar von CRYPTsakura

Today i finally got them... After 5 runs aprox (last 2 of them without any chest just those small ones) found them after i finished scenario - score 722 and 45 withereds alive with me

Kommentar von MMOSimca

Score does affect the drop rate, but not in the way most here think.

Worst Box: Glitzernde Schatztruhe
Medium Box: Glitzernde Schatztruhe
Best Box: Glitzernde Schatztruhe
(Note how they all have the same name but are actually different objects)

The best box appears to start being rewarded at a score of approximately 200. You cannot get the artifact appearances from any box other than the best box apparently (you can get toys and the invitation from the lower quality boxes but they're like 1% of the normal drop rate).

Rep tokens continue to scale up until a score of 425 or so but the best box appears to have a minimum threshold of 200. I do not know if there is a difference in the drop rate for special items between getting the best box at a score of 200 and getting the best box at a score of 425, but my guess that there is no difference in the loot for the final box past 200 except for rep tokens.

Edit: Got mine today with a score of 398, by the way.

Kommentar von LordOfIdiots

Got it with a 719 score / 51 withered. Full clear, everything killed. Ended by talking to Oculeth and choosing his chat option. I had done 2-3 runs before that (with lower scores) to get all the withered unlocks.

Kommentar von necrocks

Got this guy today and freash 110 I made, did intro quest for it and first one I did, full clear with chests grabbed and everything, for max points and got it. Not sure if its been buffed or if I got super super lucky. Probably the latter I'm guessing.

Kommentar von raafu

It dropped for me in BFA after 4th run. I also didn't have artifact on myself or on my backpack. You have to relog to use transmog.

Kommentar von LesleyChow

- How many attempts did you take to get them?

I think 4.

- How much score did you have?

538.

- How many bosses did you kill? (there's a total of 6 bosses of which 3 are hidden behind locked doors)

All of them.

- How many withered did you have alive at the end? How many did you start the scenario with? How many did you have at max?

I ended with 18, Started with 10, had 28 at max.

- Have you collected all chests that require sending Withered away?

I took 1 10 withered chest.

- Any other variables that you think might in any way affect it.

I collected all the small chests and skipped all of the ones that required using withered until the very end.

Kommentar von Healingproof

Seems like it dropped on the 4th try for a lot of people, and same here. I read that they made it easier to get in patch 7.3, and I'm wondering if easier just meant a guarantee if you didn't get it the first 3? Because I kept creating trial monks to do it over and over, and never got it until I did the 4th run on my main.

Kommentar von MiltonLn

Is it still possible to get it on Shadowlands Pre-patch? I just started, 2 runs, nothing so far but everything seems to be working.

Kommentar von CommanderClutch

Got these today on the first run. Finished the quests up until you train your army for the 1st time and went it. I had roughly 450-500 score before I completed the run, then looted them from the big chest in the center.

Kommentar von Everwin

Took me 4 or 5 runs at level 50-52 to see the appearance drop. Main chest, with scores over 600 each time. Had not gotten any of the withered upgrades until the run the appearance dropped.

Had to log and back in to have the appearance transmoggable.

The other colorations were not unlocked automatically, even though I've done those requirements on other characters.

TL:DR Still drops, just keep trying.

Kommentar von cutsprings

I just unlocked this after 7-8 withered army runs on my level 60 monk. I attempted to use the transmog on an alt and was able to transmog a staff and various other one-handed weapons into the Stormfists, but I was not able to transmog my Fists of the Heavens to the Stormfists. The appearance is only available to the toon I unlocked it on (which makes sense) but it seems that you cannot transmog the base artifact itself into the Stormfists on an alt.

Kommentar von MrWiggles

Still able to get this as of 9.1.5.

I looted this yesterday on my second Withered Army Training WQ, from the main chest at the end.

Variables:

Withered at start: 10
Withered with upgrades: 2
Withered at end: 10+
Score: 596
Spec: WW
Time: Sub 30min
Bonus chest on successful run: Only the one at the end before finishing the scenario
Previous bonus chests: 3 or 4 from other runs
Looted from: Main reward chest
Nightfallen Reputation: Honoured
Suramar Storyline: Completed only enough to unlock the Withered Army Training WQ.

Kommentar von kalloc

Adding my experience into the pot

How much score did you have? ~500
- How many bosses did you kill? 5
- How many withered did you have alive at the end? How many did you start the scenario with? How many did you have at max? 6, 8, 20
- Have you collected all chests that require sending Withered away? no
- Any other variables that you think might in any way affect it.

I did this twice in a row on the alt I was doing some leveling on at ~48 the storm fist did not drop either time (the intro free one and the active world quest), brought back one of my maxed characters and cleared the whole thing and got it first try on the free intro scenario.

Kommentar von Thor76

got these today in dragon flight with a score of 550 and 30 withered alive

Kommentar von Noproc

Got it today from the main chest with a score of 386 and 26 withered alive. I only collected one small chest (the one that needs 5 withered) and that had a separate quest item. No big chests (10 withered req.) spawned at all. Not sure if that's relevant at all.

Kommentar von Schematics

Still Available as of 10/3/2023. Ran it around 10 times mostly with the 2k ancient mana army clearing all rooms final run was with 900 mana army and all rooms and bosses cleared

Kommentar von Myseria

Got it today in 10.2.6 on my 3rd run (the 1 regular quest run and 2 WQ runs). 435 score, 15 withereds, halfway friendly. I looted one small chest (5 withereds) and killed one boss.

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