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Kommentar von Salarias

Ein Deutscher Spieler hat dieses Item gefunden. Würde mich über Informationen freuen!

Kommentar von xReiuji

hab es eben random gedropt bekommen in der teufelsseelenbastion.
klassenquest ist abgeschlossen und der ruf ist im bild zu sehen (11012/21000)
die artefaktwissen wurde heute +5 und nach ca 1std farmen direkt hinterm portal dropte es.
https: //imgur. com / EYcwoXQ

Kommentar von Suxxezs

! Braucht ihr nicht mehr !
Holt euch einen Kollegen, der auf den Inseln fliegen kann, ihr fliegt zum Mob, killt ihn zu 2. in der Luft, danach fällt das Mob zu Boden, dann könnt ihr den Hiddenskin looten

Kommentar von Biomatrix

Guter farmspot:
/way Suramar 21.84 42.65

Die kleinen Spinnen droppen das Item. Ich hab meins nach 3 Minuten bekommen.

Viel Glück :)

Kommentar von Stormbringer4190

I don't know if they increased the dropchance of it.

Went into Felsoul Hold, pulled together 7-8 mobs, killed them, got the item instantly

Kommentar von Shyrie

Ich habe den Anhänger in BfA gefarmt. Keinerlei Quests in Suramar, Orderhall Campaign nicht fertig! Habe verschiedene Spots ausprobiert und meinen nach ca einer Stunde in der Stadt gedroppt. Man MUSS mit Candrael Zwillingsschatten reden um den Skin zu droppen. Habe Untergang erst so getötet und keinen Drop bekommen. Dann mit ihr geredet und der Skin hat gedroppt.

Kommentar von ItsDDT

Als kleiner tipp für jeden der den Tmog will und nicht den selben fehler machen will wie ich!!

Ich habe den glücksbringer 2 tage jeweils 10-14std versucht zu farmen und nicht gedroppt bekommen da ich die ordenshalle so auch keine artefaktwaffe besitze.
Ich hab den gesammten loot table gelootet bekommen auser den glücksbringer

-schaut das ihr die ordenshalle freigeschaltet habt, eine Artefaktaffen besitzt, am besten die zwilingsklingen des betrügers und die ausgerüstet habt und damit dann farmen geht

ich hab meine ordenshalle freigeschaltet, meine betrügerklingen ausgerüstet und hab begonnen die mobs "Fallensteller der Nachtgeborenen" zu hauen
Nach ca 40x looten der mobs "die evt 3min gedauert haben" hab ich den drop bekommen. Es kann sein das es evt luck war oder es wirklich davon abhängt das du ordenshalle und die klingen dabei haben musst um den glücksbringer überhaupt zu bekommen

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Kommentar von Ludacr1tz

https://youtu.be/UZVP0-EPaZ4

Quick video showing the event

Kommentar von Krroto

Here is a video on how to get the Candrael's Charm and what to do to get the weapon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0eUFWUNE-w

Kommentar von Kinkyslinky

Just dropped for me off a Satyr near Irongrove Retreat in Suramar.

Kommentar von Osiriph

That feeling when you've killed over 1000 suramar mobs, inside the city, and none of them have dropped this item.

Kommentar von AboveBeyond24

Where to find the NPC Candrael Twinshadow in which this item relates to as per previous comments
Alliance tested only

I must give credit to the previous comments, especially the videos, as this led me to try a different route.
If you know where Briann Highfall and Grimnir Sternhammer both of <Explorer's League> are, then wonderful, you have found Candrael Twinshadow as she is right behind them by the tree that overlooks the crater.

If not, here are my directions, however terrible they may be. (I have submitted a screenshot to show you on the map where she is as well).

From Meredil, slightly north-west on the map, there is a fork in the visible road. Take the south-western path that crosses the bridge, and follow it to the end. Once you have the end of the path, head south-east along the cliff side (DO NOT FALL OFF INTO THE CRATER). If you keep on heading in that direction with the kind of LOTR Twin Towers looking tower in the background, you will come across two Explorer's League NPCs as mentioned above, with Candrael Twinshadow behind the fel-ish looking tree overlooking the crater.

Also to note, if you still have the archaeology legion starter quest (if I remember rightly - I do not have the name of it as I've already completed it a few days ago & cannot find it at this time), this should direct you in the same direction as it leads you to the two aforementioned NPCs.

P.S. I've now just finished the fight after about 6+ tries due to falling through the platform in which Downfall fights on in the air. My advice is once you're punted in the air, after the 2nd try, immediately activate wings as it seems a bit buggy as to where Downfall moves to after punting you - it may not move at all, especially in the direction you've been punted.

Kommentar von zuco

Just want to add that it seems this can drop from enything in the Surmar (do NOT need to be inside the city).
I just got mine from a randome spider outside of the city.

Kommentar von varenne

Right now there are two ways to get Tarnung des Todeswandlers, the right way and the easy one. I believe you have to be Havoc to get the item.

The right way:
1. Farm mobs in Suramar, they have a chance to drop Candraels Glücksbringer. It may take a long time before you get the item.
2. Bring it to Candrael Zwillingsschatten, she's near Felsoul Hold on the top of the hill, 28.35, 70.3
3. She'll launch you at Untergang which has a special wind aura that let's you fly near him. You have to kill him
4. While fighting he'll knock you away from time to time, you have to use Glide and fly back to him or you'll fall. So to be safe you have to position yourself higher relative to Untergang so when he knocks you away you have more space to fall. He drops Tarnung des Todeswandlers, which gives you havoc artifact hidden appearance and an achievement Verstecktes Potenzial

/way Suramar 28.35, 70.3 Candrael Twinshadow

The easy way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mTcmErTpX4
1. You have to go on the top of the Ironhorn Enclave flight point mountain in Highmountain. Start your way from Thunder Totem's second floor and go to the direction of Snowblind Messa (49.9, 63.6), when you reach the bridge turn right. Go along the road and you'll see Neltharions Hort entrance. There is a path up the mountain near the dungeon entrance, take the path and you'll get up the mountain.
2. After passing two bridges you'll get on top of the mountain at 56.3, 94.1. From there you have to jump in Felsoul Hold direction using your Glide ability. Glide right into Untergang position and kill him using strategy from previous way.
3. Profit Tarnung des Todeswandlers

/way Highmountain 48.2, 68.3 road up the mountain (DH Artifact)
/way Highmountain 56.3, 94.1 rjump from here to Felsoul (DH Artifact)
/way Suramar 31, 71 Downfall (DH Artifact)

Candrael Zwillingsschatten and Untergang location https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2ca-MqJdFU

Kommentar von arigold

anyone farming this crap? been at it for 10 hours and 0 drops

Kommentar von 1684456

they completely patched the easy way, don't waste your time, i even bought the toy to launch myself into the air to do it from the same zone hes in, and he still did not drop it.

just get the item if your lucky youll get it in a few minutes.

kill count, 782 kills no item v.v

Kommentar von SugarRayCJ

So it says the Moonmages have a 42% chance to drop it. Are we sure this is correct?

Kommentar von Nummytaterz

Currently a lot of people are saying they've farmed upwards of 16 hours for this specific item, I've heard that you need to complete your Order Hall quest chain before it actually drops, and the change was made from Beta to the Live servers. If anyone has gotten it, please let us know, as for now I'm honestly sold on the idea that you must complete your order hall before you can get your artifact's "hidden" appearance.

Goodluck to all, hopefully this provides some insight. It would make sense considering some of these kill counts I've been seeing...

Edit: It appears multiple people have completed their Order Hall campaign and farmed a significant amount, and still not seen it drop. The item may be bugged, or require something else as a prerequisite to it dropping. GL to all looking to farm it, currently I think it would be a better idea to spend your time on something else until this gets figured out.

Kommentar von 1512464

I have completed my class hall campaign and have been farming suramar for an hour now with no drop. Thinking of trying to glide to downfall and killing him again now that i have completed my campaign.

Kommentar von 1697304

Been Farming this, since I dinged 110, either I'm really unlucky or it isn't in the game yet and will be added when the worldbosses are added to the game since some classes need those for their hidden appearance.

I could be wrong tho, but I have been farming 3 days in a row for 90% of the time, while in between doing world quests and dungeons.

Kommentar von Thawpala

Okay, so I completed the Order Hall at around 5AM EU time yesterday, been farming for 12 hours now (A few world quests here and there but nothing too long), and absolutely nothing. I'll try to keep this updated.

Kommentar von SeaSausage

Ive noticed from some random google searching that some people think there might be a bug with the drop rates. I am not sure if this is true or not though, but one person said he sent a ticket and got a response saying there was a bug.

Kommentar von SugarRayCJ

No, Candrael`s Charm is not bugged. I openned a ticket and basically the GM said: "It isn`t bugged, and it is in the loot table. Keep farming."

Kommentar von 1184004

A GM confirmed that the item IS in the game and it is not bugged on the EU side. They MAY have changed the loot location, we have to keep trying to get it. Right now i am not at home so i am sending a screenshot from my mail. I myself have killed over 5000 mobs in Suramar without any luck.

GM Proof: http://m.imgur.com/fkWhiPJ

Kommentar von Caoth

I just got a GM response as well

our ticket #56624217 has received a response from Blizzard Support:

Hey there

I'm Game Master Enmosyer, thank you for contacting me about your issue, and I'm happy to help :). I heard that you have been farming the candrael's charms but have not received any lately.

I know the feeling of not getting the item and thinking that there's something odd or something wrong with it. Thankfully this is working as intended and while I cannot go into too much detail about the concerning drop rates, I can link you to a page on wowhead that can go into detail about the mobs you need to kill to earn them =). I hope this helps you out!

Candraels Glücksbringer

I hope you have a great day and slay a few extra demons for me!
Sincerely, Enmosyer

To review your ticket, please follow the link above. If your issue has been addressed, you'll be able to resolve the ticket. If the issue is not yet resolved, you can file a response with additional information.

If you do not resolve the ticket or provide any further response within one week, the ticket will be resolved automatically and you'll receive a final update via email.

Kommentar von 1023801

maybe you need to complete the suramar quest line further to get the charm to drop

Kommentar von 1699376

Hey, ive been a lurker on this website for years, and finally decided to make an account to shed some light on this matter. I play a Demon Hunter(obviously) and have completed my class hall campaign and unlocked the ''heroic weapons'' ability on my character. My current rep with nightfallen is honored at almost 6000. I contacted a gm this morning(dont have the conversation anymore) and asked him if the drop was bugged. He checked for me, and confirmed the drop is NOT bugged. So everyone thinking its bugged, you can stop thinking that. Gm's are not allowed to give item drop information but he casually directed the conversation towards the Ashes of Al'ar mount, saying that it took a while to farm too. I then asked him if what he was implying that the candrael's charm droprate is the same as ashes, and he didnt deny it, but he wasnt allowed to confirm it either. Now, put that experience with what the other gm's have said and that means:

The item is not bugged
It drops from the monsters that are in the wowhead database list
The droprate is at least as low or even lower than the Ashes of Al'ar mount.(which took me 7 years to farm!)

After this conversation i have farmed from 11:00 till 23:20(when i started typing this) and the item didnt drop..yet. i will post back once it does.

Have a great evening and nice to meet you all:)

Kommentar von Datguythere

Okay guys I just submitted a ticket about it and will post screenshots as soon as I hear something back!

Kommentar von ooiu

Why haven't we considered the possibility that Blizzard changed how you get this item like they seem to have with some others?

Kommentar von aldrachi

Thinking laterally here, have we tried other sources than zone mob farming? Things like Nightborne Treasure Chests (which are often hard to find if you're not a demon hunter)? I also think there's a chance it might be inside the city somewhere.

Spoilers for the Lespin Suramar side quests:
Lespin Silverleaf is a jewelcrafter you work with who has a reputation for stealing jewelry and designs from other people and passing the jewelry off as his own.

Given this, I think it's possible that the charm might not be a zone drop, but might be somewhere inside Suramar City. I've checked a few obvious places- like the jewelcrafting area in the market (nothing on the vendors or in with the wares), and I've checked a few NPCs from quests that are further into the city. Nothing yet, but I'll keep poking around the city.

Kommentar von Valarek

This just in on a EU Demon hunter thread

http://imgur.com/a/AG6qP

EDIT 1: Can't confirm or deny if it's real though, not my screencap

EDIT 2: It's real alright http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/ragnaros/Waith/achievement#81:a10460
he has also completed his class hall campaign

EDIT 3: Some people say that it might have been obtained through the bug where you glide down to downfall, but i seem to remember it being patched even before release, correct me if i'm wrong?

EDIT 4: Another official response! http://i.imgur.com/BsHy7AV.png

EDIT 5: Here's a list from reddit with all the KNOWN hidden demon locations https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/51y684/demon_hunter_guise_of_the_deathwalker_hidden/d7fyy82

Kommentar von CTEKK

Given the fact that nearly everyone is in Suramar right now I start wondering if it has been moved to the Die Verheerte Küste.

I dont have a lore thesis to strengthen my cause but:

there are a lot of demons & demon bosses
nobody is in this zone right now
the hidden underwater mount Tiefenbewohner starts there
could be connected with the "hidden demon" quest chain
Candrael is looking in this direction
therefore a good place to hide stuff

Kommentar von Enfae

Has anyone looked at the bloodmage's model and no screenshot? Totally wrong. Just saying. Maybe that means something.

Kommentar von Gushftw

Maybe it's in the vault of the wardens?

Kommentar von SillyWog

It is actually so aggravating that it is RNG for the item to drop
Vengeance just has to do a stupid daily thing and almost it guaranteed to drop some time, while we sit around killing mobs for god knows how long and then get bored and burnt out from farming
Why

Kommentar von Diodora

Hum the drop rate for the 3 mobs has changed and seems way more realistic so maybe now it is possible to drop it ? I mean for the moonmages

Kommentar von Enfae

Has anyone considered archaeology? She is standing right next to the explorer's league. Perhaps on purpose.

Kommentar von Extremity

This isn't bugged, it's just rare and a pain to farm. I farmed for weeks on beta, and then was getting summoned to a dungeon one day and decided to kill one more mob in the city - it dropped it for me.

It can supposedly drop from any mob in suramar, but Ive only seen it drop for myself or friends while actually in the city, from the big arcane/mechanical/whatever sentries or from guards.

Kommentar von 1701674

Seems obvious, but have we considered the initials C.T. might be a clue to where to find this item?

Kommentar von Gharex

I was thinking about the description that says "The initials C.T. are etched into its jewel.". As the item itself already is called Candrael’s Charm, there is a chance that C.T. does not stand for Candrael Twinshadow but for another person or place currently involved in this addon that is connected to the npc. I also looked up the german version of this item which is called Candraels Glücksbringer. The description of the item says "Die Initialen C.T. sind in das Juwel eingraviert.". As the npc is called Candrael Zwillingsschatten in German and the engraving still mentions the initials C.T., I guess they really stand for something completely different which has the same name in both languages.
One other aspect is that we do not know if it is called Candrael’s Charm because she got it from a person and someone stole it or if she gave it to someone and this person lost the necklace. And we need to find out what Downfall has to do with all this.

Another topic mentioned in the comments is the npc Lespin Silverleaf who is a jewelry thief from Suramar City. The name Lespin could be an anagram for the word spinel which describes a red gem – just like the one you can see in the item’s icon. When I looked up the Wikipedia page of spinels, I also came across a famous jewel that is called the Black Prince's Ruby. I went to the Black Prince to see if he was related to all this, but ended up with the thought that he is not involved in the current addon and that the hidden appearances are only obtainable in the latest content like some people wrote before me.

Maybe all of my guesses are totally wrong, but I thought that it is viable following those trails. When I asked a game master if the item is already in the game, he told me that he is not allowed to give any pieces of information about the availability of items or how to get them. Just like other persons, I was directed to the Wowhead page of Candrael’s Charm.

Kommentar von Lchaim

There was a post here a couple of minutes ago from a player who had spoken to another player which had found the hidden artifact. He said he knew him since before and said player was an old timer. For some reason I cannot find that comment and believe it has been deleted, so I will do some recapping:

Link to his profile and achievement.
The link to the profile has been deleted to respect privacy.

He told OP that a riddle had to be solved. Located at 50,38 on a plaque in Suramar.

http: //puu(dot)sh/r7Qq2/37fbe20d32.png

The player who had solved the riddle did not want to spoil the fun and wanted other players to also solve it. Some clues where mentioned such as: "We have to find HER" and "Spectral sight is needed". More was said but unfortunately it escapes my memory.

This might be another hoax but let's pretend it is real?

Kommentar von 1684456

i also happened to make a few tickets on this item, again same results, its not bugged, working as intended, we cant tell you how to get it, etc... etc....

things i have done.

1. Completed the DH order hall Campaign

2. 9 of the 11 main quests in Suramar Completed

3. EVERY side quest in suramar that i have currently unlocked. 325/21000 rep currently

4. i have done every quest in illidans memory quest line except for 1

5. 6/8 pieces of order hall gear unlocked

6. revered with nightfallen

7. every leyline/special mob/mana container grabbed.
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Things i know.

1. in beta it was a drop

2. talk to twinshadow once you have it to fight downfall

3. it has an abysmal drop rate and the only people with it appear to have cheated blizzard or are being quite as to how they got it.

and since i cant reply to this due to people downvoting because they think its a bloody popularity contest, YES it having a low drop % is a FACT, blizzards CS department has already confirmed this numerous times, and every gm says some of them are locked behind pre-reqs to even get the damn drop

if you reply to this, please NO THEORY CRAFTING, WE NEED FACTS!

also i compared my achievements to someone that has this item...

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/ragnaros/Waith/simple - last time i checked their profile they had the skin on.

Kommentar von TheScavenger101

Maybe this is out of place and unreasonable. But I was thinking, without the charm we don't have access to the initials C.T. From that perspective wouldn't it be illogical that the clue to find the item is printed on the item ? Taken the stance that people trying to find the charm don't have/know of Wowhead.

Kommentar von 1184004

Hello guys!

This is going to be a bit off-topic but it can lead to the discovery of the Havoc Artifact weapon.
As some of you may know, the Corrupted Ashbringer Hidden Appearance has been discovered and it is really fascinating how hidden it was.

This is the whole process. Please skip it if you only want to know my opinion about the Guise of the Deathwalker.

Kill Nefarian for Head of Nefarian
Make a copy of A Complete Copy of "Nat Pagle's Guide to Extreme Anglin'.":
Head to Dire Maul and loot A Thoroughly Read Copy of "Nat Pagle's Guide to Extreme Anglin'." from A Dusty Tome
Head to Alterac Valley and loot Nat Pagle's Guide to Extreme Anglin' from player corpses.
Somehow convince Sister Elda to combine the parts.
Bring these items to Prince Tortheldrin and turn it in.
Head to the Bulwark in Tirisfal Glades and talk to the traveler who talks about Timolain.
The Traveler will send you to find Grand Inquisitor Isillien's Journal and read it.
Get Timolain's Phylactery by killing a slime.
Summon Timolain and get Shard of Darkness
Return to your order hall and the final quest, Walking in Shadows, rewards the appearance.

This brings us to the Guise of the Deathwalker,
What if the item is way more hidden than we thought? We should start searching the old zones even more. I am going to dedicate a huge chunk of my time to search the old zones for a possible hint. I am going to keep you updated if i find anything.

Merafen

Kommentar von nyo89

Anyone tried to clear ICC? maybe the husband/brother... is one of the Arthas army

Kommentar von TheScavenger101

Just to get some stuff out of the way, or lead someone on to something I've missed. I've been looking in to Demon Hunters through the expansions and these are the ones I've looked in to and what I found, if anything out of the ordinary.

Vish Kozu

Not sure if this is just related to some quests that I haven't done but I'm sharing it anyways.

When talking to him, he says the following:

DIALOGUE BOX

I went to the camp to the south and there are two dwarves there that says nothing interesting in particular.

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I also looked in to

Feronas Sindweller

Only peculiar thing about him is where he is stood and the markings on the ground by him. Didn't grab a screenshot but you can go look for yourselves.

Edit: Got a picture of the internet.

Picture

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Varedis at Black Temple was just killable and didn't drop anything.

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Thalrius Voidstrider

Killed him, dropped nothing, did the quest went back, nothing.

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Alandien
Theras
Netharel

Killed all three, nothing.

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Leotheras the Blind

Killed him, didn't drop anything very useful. Poked around his "chamber" no luck.

So that's it, if it helps anyone or if it's just dead ends, atleast it's that, out of the way.

Kommentar von Gharex

I guess the most important step is to check all notable dead members of the Illidari or their wereabouts when they died. As the warglaive is decorated with the rune of the Illidari, the clan of the "long dead master" is obvious. In my opinion, the lore of those characters is the key to find a trail we can follow.
One other thing we need to remember is the fact that the person is "long dead" which can mean he or she got killed in a former war or a very early addon. Like stated in another comment, some classes need to do things in the old content. The Illidari are a clan which was mainly present in The Burning Crusade, so there could lie the answer.
Like some persons also suspected, the hidden appearance could be connected to Illidan’s storyline which is told by Xe’ra. Maybe the "step" that, like some game masters seem to have mentioned, needs to be done is the completion of that chain of quests. It might give a hint where a killed master left his weapons before he died or who he was. If this is true, we sadly have to wait until the last parts of the storyline are released. The event takes place in the War of the Ancients so there is no Illidari clan formed yet, but Illidan himself could have engraved the weapon of the dead master himself when the Illidari union was founded as he saw power in the warglaive. If this is true, the weapon even could have switched the owner to a new person.
If there will be a special person mentioned and if that one is somehow connected to Candrael Twinshadow, we might get some more pieces of information.

Sadly, those are all assumptions of mine and the rune could also be engraved by the new Illidari when the warglaive was looted. When you take away the mark, there are only a skull of a demon, a banner and some big teeth left. Maybe those could give any insight as well.

Kommentar von Frankimera

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2060622-DH-Havoc-Hidden-Artifact-Apperance/page10
Anyone know if the hidden artifacts are live yet? I've farmed mobs in surumar since 30th at level 110, so far nothing.. no charm at all.
http://i.imgur.com/Vq1li6i.jpg

Quote Originally Posted by Tethis View Post
Someone on my server actually has figured out how to get the skin. He told me he will be posting how he got them next week on wowhead..

i.imgur. com/ Vq1li6i.jpg

According to him it's not just the random suramar drop.

Kommentar von Zanabra

Can you all stop the linear thinking for a second? We've seen things change from beta to live and i think that's the point in here.

Why are you thinking about the charm, if we've seen other hidden artifact appearances reflect the way they're obtained? Like Light's Wrath having to loot 12 tomes - there's a tome in the staff. And corrupted ashbringer's questline too. Also, BM hunter's appearance being bought from an engineering npc - and the gun turns into a mechanical bow.

Can we start thinking more about who is the long dead master hungering to taste blood again, alongside the weapon being made of BONES and the item's title having "Deathwalker?" Who in wow legion is disguised as a living person, but is a(n) (evil) master who died long ago?

Kommentar von 1659613

Brainfart: I am currently at work, so i am unable to check this. But in BC we had the attunement questline in SMV. There was a warden cave and warden cage. And also an area where you would get the tabard. Have any of these areas been checked?

Kommentar von scsmailbox

Can we get a confirmation on weither these drop from just the three mobs shown above? or maybe ANY mob around suramar?

Kommentar von Ilsevel

I am trying make anagram from Candrael Twinshadow... Nothing yet, but if someone want to try this too

Kommentar von Ahriman87

Hello, after reading all this page i need a confirmation , the Duskwatch Moonmage are stil able to drop the item or we must get it by another way, i don't waste to waste a precious time on farming some mob if it's for nothing, thanks in advance.

Kommentar von KilledByAGinger

This is way out there and away from all the hints Nay has given us, but I really think the weapons look as if they have something to do with Kilrogg Deadeye, he essentially became a demon, and the trinket Flammender Dämonenschädel that we believe could be linked to this states. "This demon laughed in the face of death" Kilrogg foresaw his own death, why wouldn't he laugh when he arrived at his fate?

Then again...I could just be going mad...

Kommentar von Diodora

I found something that might help since it speaks about the '' long dead master who his hungering to taste legion blood again ''

http://www.wowhead.com/guides/legion/artifacts/twinblades-havoc-demon-hunter#artifact-book-text

I think that this might be the key to found what we are searching because nay might just be trolling us and giving us false hints so we dont find it yet.

Kommentar von matas17

I'v searched entire suramar area, since 8am today. So far been searching for 4 hours but havent found anything intresting what so ever.

Kommentar von carnagesym

It looks like a few people on mmo champion forums are reporting a blood elf 'ghost' following them around occasionally when in SS. Gefallener Illidari is what they are saying it looks like, and the rumor is it could possibly be CT's dead brother, and interacting with him or attacking him might get us the charm.

All of this info I read from an mmo champion thread that was started when Nay started giving hints.

EDIT: Link to the thread for those curious.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2060622-DH-Havoc-Hidden-Artifact-Apperance/page27?highlight=Candrael%27s+Charm

Kommentar von Snowz66

Hey everyone,

Sorry if my english is not correct. Decided to post here cause i cannot post on the US forums, such a great community out there and very active.

Think i have a clue, and would share it.

http://wowhead.com/search?q=malinoth

Don't know if this will lead to something but here it is.

Kommentar von 1702227

Things Nay did before he received the hidden artifact.

Prestige level 1

Shoulder enchant.

A lot of people on mmo-champion are saying the shoulder enchant is not what gave him the charm. But how many people are trying with Prestige lvl 1? To me it makes sense because we're a new class and not a lot of pvp has been played with Demon Hunters. It's just a hunch. I'm only honor lvl 27 and I've played quite a bit of pvp and farmed WQ that give 300 honor. GL HF

Kommentar von MutleyRulz

I saw somebody mention anagrams, and whilst there are no generic (words not from WoW) solves available for Candrael Twinshadow, there are for Candrael. The three that seem most likely are Cardenal, Calendar and Raceland.

Cardenal - Could pertain to a place of worship in the Broken Isles, a cathedral-esque type of place?
Calender - The charm could only be found on a specific day. This one would be the most annoying. Also could refer to a place where it is permanently a certain season (i.e. Northrend is always winter). None spring to mind on initial consideration of the Broken Isles.
Raceland - Could be a hint toward an area with quest linked to races, like the world quest Ley Race. Could also be a hint that each of the different races in the Broken Isles are involved.

If anyone's ran out of leads, these could be an okay-ish place to start.

Kommentar von imtheculprit

For those of you who do not know, the initials C.T. stand for the NPC Candrael Zwillingsschatten. She is located above Felsoul Hold at coords 28, 70. Once you have obtained Candraels Glücksbringer you can begin a dialog with her. She then accuses you of being a thief and shoots you into the air to fight Untergang. This fight requires you to utilize your Demon Hunter abilities to stay in combat and take him down rewarding you withTarnung des Todeswandlers. The hardest part is first obtaining Candraels Glücksbringer.

Tips for fighting Untergang:

Stay within his Zornige Winde to keep him engaged without falling to the ground.
When he throws you across Felsoul Hold, use your Gleiten and take your time to land back in his Zornige Winde. He will not reset unless you hit the ground and disengage.
If you fall beneath him, keep him targeted and spin in a circle. He will pick you back up and throw you above him to Gleiten back into Zornige Winde.

Good luck fellow Demon Hunters.

Kommentar von Snoodlepoots

IMPORTANT:

Nay just had his appearance removed by a GM. The GM stated that he did not meet the requirements to obtain it when he did. Some are hypothesizing that a pre-requisite may be Artifact Knowledge 5.

For more info, join the Demon Hunter chat room on Discord.

Kommentar von nemestrinus

on the MMO-champ forum thread about this skin someone posted a post that the guy who has it states "Hey people, so just to clear things up here too!A Senior GM talked to me like half an hour ago. I got the Skin removed due to the charm! shouldnt be obtainable yet! It was a bug somehow and thats how i could finish the !@#$ to get the skin! This GM is going to make a Statement in my Post on the Demon Hunter Forum this night or tomorrow!"

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2060622-DH-Havoc-Hidden-Artifact-Apperance/page32?highlight=Candrael%27s+Charm

so basically we just have to wait and see what this Senior GM has to say about the charm and why all of our questions earlier asking if it was in game and available were answered as "yes".

Kommentar von Rekuja

In Artifact Knowledge 5, the very last line is quoted

"This would prove to be Varedis's downfall."

Varedis' surname is also "Felsoul"

The weapon is "Guise" of the "Deathwalker"

Zone: Felsoul
-Varedis Felsoul

Mob: Downfall
-This is Varedis in disguise

Pro Hint: In Alpha this area was "Doomfront" but they changed it to "Felsoul"

Kommentar von 701332

Nobody is thinking Varedis?

"long dead master thirsting for blood"
-he was the first DH who completed his training successfuly (at least those trained by Illidan) and he would train most of the DHs afterward in Black Temple > MASTER to his trainees
-He died in BT by player's hand and was LONG presumed DEAD
-He went on to hunt down the Illidari in KJ's service as he was made to believe they betrayed him and he reveled in it > THIRSTING FOR BLOOD of the Illidari.

So long dead master thirsting for blood fits perfectly.

So I think it might be starting in Felsoul Hold as it is the first place we encountered him in DH campaign and Nay said it all starts and ends in Suramar.

Without knowledge of Downfall and the charm how would you start looking for the hidden appearence? All the information you need should be in AK book and from story imho which gives you some clues as to where it might begin.

Varedis's downfall is even mentioned in the AK book, with Downfall being NPC that drops it.

No other person in lore fits better to the clues.

Kommentar von algmin

I "maybe" have a hint, try to go to archeology scope in Felsould Hold (27:71) and use (Toy from archeology quest). On scope shows big felguard with book. I don;t know if it possible to do something with it but maybe someone will find out. If it means nothing than sorry

Kommentar von Leaguebrothers

I'm just thinking right here? "Deathwalker" has i seen someone said and i was thinking about the last boss in the arcway where the boss goes intro a fase where you are like a ghost and need to get around to the boss again? Might have something to do down there but i dont know i might check it out!

Kommentar von tgottie

Okay guys, so I been researching and following all of this recently, and have some information and input. First if this is gated, I don't think it's gated by Rep, wouldn't make much since, gaining rep is suppose to allow you different rights, and access. Which a dropped item is neither of those.

Next input is this isn't the only class being affected. My friend tried getting his rogues sub weapon skin, and the original method hasn't been working for him, and he is now doing research on how to get the required key. If other classes are affected by the gating I once again do not think it has to do with rep, unless each class has a separate gating.

Now I am putting my money on artifact knowledge, but since that's not proven I also think maybe you need to find an npc of some sort with your spectral sight. Like maybe an npc that looks different, maybe friendly without spectral sight and red with it. Idk I do think spectral sight could have something to do with it. Just some ideas and information.

Edit: just learned that there is two hidden ghost demon hunter based bosses in vaults of the wardens. Another thing to look at guys.

Kommentar von 1318685

Tbh guys, just save your time for now, its obviously heavy gated. There is no option for that many ppl trying to not find a single clue. Its not Just drop cus with ammount of ppl farming that atleast one would drop, and the numbers of drops stayed same from launch.

Whole last week i was trying to find smt to catch about this but no luck.

Now i tryed some pvp farming for apperance and im suprised how fast it goes. Thats my new goal for now and sooner or later someone will crack it and prolly post guide...

Gl tho for those who will still try ;)

Kommentar von 1684456

i post my progress to accurately track everything done and you guys downvote it till it's deleted.

awesome.

well if i do find it i wont bother posting it since you *!@#s will probably make me re-type it everyday

heres a clue though, keep researching ;)

Kommentar von Xtriotic

The broken shore.. a swim away and every boss is there.

Kommentar von Hampsterr

Is it possible to loot this item while your loot preference is set to Vengeance?

Kommentar von murcroadster

Well for 7.1 guys . Looks like that's what we are waiting for .

However, communication with the Waning Crescent has ceased ( Crackdown), and when you investigate, you find many citizens captured or killed. Suramar is infested with even more demons than before, including ones that will root you in place and instantly remove Masquerade.

Kommentar von athuz

came across this
http://i.imgur.com/ASgNWN4.jpg

Kommentar von nemestrinus

http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20749265213

another person claiming to have the charm (yet for some suspicious reason refused to post a screen shot or tell us how they got it to drop) and while i figure it is most likely another person trying to mess with us i thought it'd be best to link it anyways to let more people see it and their riddle they posted that will supposedly get us the drop for the charm

their riddle is this: Trust none that you see online, or be led astray from the prize - the charm that you seek is both there, and not. Westward of Suramar your first clue can be found with a faction, and an item soulbound. There forth must one go from whence you once came - back to Suramar again. A demon with a charm - at that I laugh. Think outside the box, this one isn't easy - and no, no professions needed for they make you queasy! Not all that you see is what it appears to be. The Nightfallen are key but not what they ask of you - ignore the quests and the answer is daily!

just leaving this here so more people can see it if it does turn out to be true

Edit: he's claiming it dropped as a "bonus reward" from a world quest while having the Boon of the Gemfinder on his shoulders, but still has conveniently not shown any sort of SS to prove that either he has it or that it dropped from a bonus reward

Kommentar von VocRaven

Has anyone tried killing all the rare Demon spawns in the Broken Isles?

-Voc

Kommentar von NeuroticApple

Just pondering a thought here, but what if (and hear me out here) Blizzard really did gate the charm behind Archaeology? I'll apologize if it's been said before and I've missed it, or if we've found out that it can't be... but it might be the gate it's hidden behind. Figure Arch rotates zones every ...two weeks? There runs the possibility, just as likely as it being gated behind AK5/10/15/20/etc...

Kommentar von Forms

Have someone tried to unlock all the Leyline Feeds and then farm the charm in a "default" way? I dunno maybe this is the hidden requirement, I just wonder

Edit: I did a lil' research and just checked Achievements > Quests > Legion.
We are the Illidari so we have to deal with demons. So maybe complete Tehd & Marius' Excellent Adventur and deal with some demons is the answer?

However Candrael's Charm and the hidden appearance is somehow related with Suramar. So we have some achievements about Surmar.
I just chose few of them:
Good Suramaritan I think this one is not the key. This achievement require the opened Emerald Nightmare, so now we can do that. But the GMs said that the hidden artifact works ok and nothing is bugged, so probably charm was obtainable before the Emerald Nightmare.

Pillars of Creation Same like the upper one.

Leyline Bling This is the most "real" idea for me. After we unlock all the leylines (actually there is still the 9th leyline, but it's blocked and probably gonna work after 7.1 or later) we can get the quest that give us higher chance to drop the Ancient Mana from mobs - so I thought about it and maybe it also increase/add the posibility to drop the charm somewhere in Suramar.

Of course these only my theories. Just wanna try to find out how to obtain the C.T's Charm and then the appearance instead of sitting and waiting for complete guide. I hope GMs and devs are thuthful and the appearance is really obtainable right now and we are not looking something that doesn't even exist at the moment :)

Kommentar von EdgeLord

Just got this skin today at 7:00 EST. Playing Alliance on Kel'Thuzad US.

Was doing world quests when I noticed the charm in my bag. My bags were pretty full but it was in one of my last bags and that leads me to believe I got it from the spiders in the tunnels. I was doing the WQ where you must save the withered from the webs. I currently have 11500 rep into revered with all Leylines done and a complete class hall. It could be a possible drop from guards in Suramar as I killed a lot during other world quests but I find that to be very unlikely. After you get the charm you simply talk to the girl who sends you to fight downfall and loot him. I will post some screenshots. If any questions message EdgeLørd on KT US.

UPDATE AND EDIT: Many people messaging me and being skeptical which is totally understandable. I am new to posting on Wowhead so forgive any lack of communication. I did indeed submit a screenshot but I believe it is being approved. Also new reports suggest that you must be Artifact Knowledge Level 5 which i got the day before. I believe this is the key in order to being able to loot it. If you guys have any more questions please do reply here or message me in-game. I can't get to everybody but I have been messaging those who have contacted me.

Edit 2: Just a forum discussion: http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20749345040?page=3#post-60.

Edit 3: Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/kelthuzad/Edgel%C3%B8rd/simple

Kommentar von zatork

just droppe for me only as i got artifact knowledge on rank 5

Kommentar von ogyme

Confirmed that you just need to kill downfall with AK5 no need candrael's charm

i've just done it

Kommentar von Zyrkun

I can confirm that you do not need the Charm or anything special to get this. I got artifact knowledge lv5, went to highmountain and glided over to Downfall, killed him, and it dropped. So you DO NOT need the charm to get it, just AK5.

Kommentar von clickca

After weeks of trolls and disappointments, I can confirm that once you hit Artifact Knowledge level 5, you can just glide down from Dalaran (yes you barely can with Fel Rush) or from Highmountain (much easier) and kill Downfall to get it.

You DO NOT need to bother getting this charm. I didn't. Everything else is completely irrelevant. You could have literally done nothing in Suramar and get this done.

Edit:
Some people are still posting about getting Candraels Glücksbringer then killing Downfall
1. Get Artifact knowledge level 5. This was the ONLY requirement.
(Due to catch up mechanics, it may be lower now.)
2. Glide down from Highmountain.
3. Kill Downfall.
4. Tarnung des Todeswandlers will drop.

YOU DO NOT NEED THE CHARM.
YOU DO NOT NEED THE CHARM.
YOU DO NOT NEED THE CHARM.

However, if you do have Candraels Glücksbringer in your bank or bags, you must talk to Candrael Zwillingsschatten and she will kick you up to Untergang. Gliding down from Highmountain will not work for you.

Kommentar von gravemind

Just got this off a Moonfeather Prowler @ 69.5, 62.9 between the First Arcanists' former house (south of the Vineyard) on the way over to Jvandik water area for the Undersea Survey quest. I was in Vengeance spec at the time, but loot spec set to Havok.

Kommentar von HexaholicJP

Just did this with a DH friend, in a party. The appearance token dropped, but only one, so we had to roll, then kill again. We did not have the Charm either, just floated down from Highmountain.

I don't know if it drops for you both if you're not in a group, but I do know that it only dropped one, when we were in a group.

Kommentar von DreadJester

I farmed for 16 hours and the charm did not drop so I put in a ticket. They said that in order to obtain the charm you had to complete something first and that it was gated behind something. I then saw the first player I had ever personally seen with the hidden glaives and asked what they had to do before getting the glaives. They said that they had to get artifact research level 5 before getting it to drop and that they had tried before that without level 5 and that they didn't drop. I will have level 5 tomorrow and will post my results again for people to hopefully gain from. If you would like me to elaborate on the ticket I can provide a screenshot.

Kommentar von Klakdh

I just got this as well at around 8:40 am est 9/25/2016. Klakdh-Proudmoore. I have rank 5 artifact knowledge. I have 9/11 suramar chapters completed. Was doing the world quest killing demons/guards in suramar city and it dropped. Went to find Candrael Twinshadow as soon as I got it and was able to easily kill Downfall.

Kommentar von Mezugon

I got this item in Suramar City while doing a world quest in the elite area and looted while in vengeance (tank) spec. also if you fail to kill downfall in one try you go back to Candrael Twinshadow and ask her to try again.

Kommentar von belowzero551

Just received this item and fought Downfall for the Hidden skin. After reaching Artifact Research level 5 I went into Suramar City itself for around 45 minutes-1 hour and Candrael's Charm dropped from a relatively large group of mobs I killed. Went over to the lady and she kicked me into Downfall, killed him and got the skin.

I am sitting at 8375 rep into Revered with the Nightfallen and just got my 5th research done before having the item drop.

Screenshots and all that jazz linked below.
http://imgur.com/a/Fkj9i

Armory
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/area-52/T%C3%A9ach/simple

Kommentar von Jensson

I just obtained them. You need to have artifact knowledge lvl 5 and kill the crocodiles in felsoul bastion in the south west of suramar

Kommentar von Alkharin

you just need artifact knowledge level 5. then you can glide atop from highmountain peek and kill downfall in the air. no need for charm.

Kommentar von archangel9952

Got it 2:30 PM, but I got it from mobs that aren't shown on Wowhead. I acquired the item while I was killing the Felborne Collaborators and Nobles in Suramar City. Also, for any people who were wondering, you don't need to be in Havoc spec. I was killing these mobs in Vengeance.

Kommentar von Darklocksly

Hi,
Below you find what you need and need to do to get the Charm and, in the end, the hidden skin.

First of, you need to have Artifact Knowledge rank 5 ( Weapon level 21 - 200% Artifact power gain )
After that random mobs in Suramar can drop this item, mine dropped after 2 minutes in Falanaar from a spider or a webbed mob.

http://s13.postimg.org/ds3irg393/DH_CT.jpg

After obtaining the Charm, you need to goto Candrael Twinshadow and hand it in, she will kick you to Downfall and you have to fight him, he will drop the final item for the hidden skin.
It seems you can do it without the charm by jumping of Highmountain mountain (unchecked) and glide to Downfall, but this is about the Charm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrRFdTs__B0&feature=youtube_gdata

Don't worry if you fall down while fighting him, you can go back to Candrael and resume the fight ( it's HP will be how you left it as you can see in the movie )

Kommentar von Christurri

Hey Demon hunters, I just wanted to confirm that I just got artifact knowledge 5. I instantly flew to high mountain, glided down to Downfall, never got Candrael's Charm, killed Downfall and got the hidden skin. It all hinges on getting artifact knowledge 5.

Kommentar von murcroadster

well I cant get this to drop. I have ak5 but I'm at honored with the nightfallen. I farmed everything I could kill for over an hour in suramar and no charm. I glided to downfall to kill him without the charm and he flies away and reset after the second kick in the air. maybe we need revered with nightfallen too?

Kommentar von Ragnarosh

Just got it

http://imgur.com/a/cNh9A

Kommentar von Ayeshan

I acquired this today while killing mobs in the Stelleris Shakedown world quest area - constructs and guards mainly. This confirms the item is not restricted to just demons. I spent hours upon hours farming in Felsoul Hold before this dropped on the other side of the zone.

- I have level 5 Artifact Knowledge
- I have completed the Class Hall campaign
- I have not completed the Nightfallen quest line (I am at 17/21k revered, missing the last quest line you get at 20k).

Currently on my way to Downfall, I will record and upload the video as proof and edit in the link.

EDIT: Link; https://youtu.be/6WNFai0sn40

Kommentar von 27259

Just got this in Suramar killing scions for Control Orbs to free prisoners - and I only play as vengeance DH duh

AK - 5 .. revered 13k/21k

Kommentar von Murtdragon

I just hit artifact research 5 today, and I am revered with Nightfallen, and completed my class order hall. I too was able to glide from Highmountain into Surumar onto Downfall without the charm and collect the hidden appearance. I have seen a lot of posts like this popping up all over the place, I feel like it's pretty much confirmed as of now, unless they hot-fix it.

Kommentar von Mindelan1631

Dropped today from a pack of wolves including the quest mob Gloomfang (was not on quest at the time).

If for some reason you manage to fail to slay Downfall (say, your internet betrays you -_-), simply return to Candrael Twinshadow and speak to her again. She will toss you back up to him as many times as it takes you to slay him.

Kommentar von Xertious

I just got this killing Fellfire basilisk in the north side of Felsoul Hold.

Kommentar von Zachxattack

Just got this item today. I think Artifact Knowledge level 5 is definitely the key for this to drop. I looted it from Wache der Stelleris while I was working on the World quest Erpressung von Haus Stelleris in Suramar.

Kommentar von davidgabriel

looted off corvelyn doing world quest. didnt know this was even in game til i got it. also hit artifact research 5 and revered with nightfallen, 5/11 suramar. got this in veng spec as well. no one kills corvelyn in havoc solo yet lol. DO NOT BE MOUNTED WHEN YOU BEGIN DOWNFALL FIGHT. made that mistake and had to start over.

Kommentar von Trinny

Just got my skin at 1:30AM EST. Armory probably hasnt updated, had just gotten my AK5 today and did the class order hall quests. Then headed out to suramar, wasn't doing any WQ or anything i am 4k out of 12k with nightfallen. I was farming the mobs next to Telanor. Specifically the tigers and turtles in the area underneath of it. Got the drop in about 30 minutes then went on to kill downfall.

Armory - http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/darkspear/Articonn/simple
It might not have updated yet. I am posting SS

Kommentar von 1709576

JUST got this today about 20 minutes ago on Crowcrow Ner'zhul. Got the charm while doing my daily in Suramar, you know that terrible area with all the elites? That area, was doing the Stelleris Shakedown quest.

EDIT: here's a screenshot http:// imgur.com/a/GOTff

nevermind won't let me post a screenshot :( too bad...I quickly came here and made an account just to post this information, I just added spaces after http:// but you get the idea, hopefully that works.

Kommentar von Leaguebrothers

Okay Guys i just got it you dont even need this item!

All you need is level 5 artiffact knowledge and then do like they did in beta go to a high place and fly down to downfall and you get it! <3

GL HF!

Kommentar von agas

Just got mine from Tattered Silkwings in Twilight Vineyards, Suramar.

Kommentar von 1301258

Glided down from Highmountain and killed downfall once I hit 5 AK - had about 4k / 21k into revered

Didn't like the main one so I farmed the red skin: http://i.imgur.com/zRlufgC.jpg

Kommentar von BooJoh

I hit AK5 today and did some world quests in Suramar and farmed around the city while doing some story quests for a while and never saw the charm. Finally headed over to Felsoul Hold and farmed some Felslate Basilisks, still no luck. As a last ditch effort I went up by Candrael herself and started farming mobs up there. Got the charm off a Cliffwing Skytalon near her. Probably pure coincidence as it seems to be a zone drop.

A couple things.

1) Make sure Downfall isn't engaged already when you talk to her. I got kicked up there only to realize he wasn't there.

2) When he knocks you back, make sure you start gliding asap (you'll need to Fel Rush too) and then when you're back in his vortex "swim" up as high as you can. It's really annoying having to run back to her if you fall.

Kommentar von Varocka

I just received this as a drop from the guards in Suramar City without doing anything special i believe its just a random drop from these mobs.

Kommentar von Zathonian

I was in Suramar today farming leather off of the wolves east of Irongrove Retreat, and I killed a pack of them and the Charm dropped for me. Here's a picture of the location and of the charm. I wasn't farming them in hopes of the necklace as I had farmed well over 5k wolves. I'm not sure if its true or not; but i have completed my campaign and do have lvl 5 AK.

h ttp://imgur.com/9ccN7jH

Kommentar von martnmonst

I got this item today (9-28-'16). I'll tell you what I have so far:

Order Hall quest complete.
Nightfallen revered 7k/21k (but not all questlines complete).
Artifact Knowledge lv 5.
Artifact level 20.
Was in Havoc Spec.

I got this item while doing the questline 'A Growing Crisis' for the Guter Suramariter where you have to kill Splittermaid (and pull Splitterrückenhuscher along). I got it in an AoE loot after grouping a couple of them up.

I didn't see I had it at first and almost trash sold it... Good thing vendors don't want it.

Kommentar von Kimera666

Just dropped for me while doing the WQ in the Suramar Falanaar, the quest to free whitered from the webs, I pulled a bunch of spider and a few whitered on my way out, the item dropped after I finished the quest. I decided to collect just a few more gems for extra Ancient mana on my way out, I can't tell if the item dropped from the spiders of the wild whitered since it was a fairly big group about 8 mobs.

Kommentar von ZehelNeox

just got mine off random farming in suramar city the market district where you do the arcwine world quest i went around in tank spec and just kept gathering large groups of guards and random mobs just to kill them. got it off a nightborne vintner

i'm ak 5 i haven't completed all of the suramar quests either. it seems that the charm can drop off any mob in suramar just have to farm for a while.

Order hall campaign: complete
nightborne rep: 1890/21000 revered
artifact: rank 21 dps rank 16 tank
Artifact Knowledge: 5
was vengeance spec at the time, loot specialization set to havoc (i always have it set that way regardless of spec)

screen shot to show yeah i'm underwater to not get killed while i type this up.

https://s14.postimg.org/p465dn3dd/Wo_WScrn_Shot_092916_213127.jpg

edit: here's my characters armory page Sleepyash - proudemoore

Kommentar von Broxy

Confirmed: You don't need to farm this item if your Artifact Knowledge Level is 5!
Get yourself a Goblin Glider Kit and glide from Dalaran to Downfall.

Kommentar von Killidanstormrag

Ok guys here is the deal.No secret stuff no bull!@#$tery..Just reach Artifact knowledge 5 u dont have to done illidan story line or Farming countless hour for drop.. After reaching Ak5 Just go to Dalaran optain a goblin gliderkit and glide through downfall.DH glide might not enough "I didnt try it"..Engage the downfall and get your artifact..

I got mine today farmed 2 hours and didnt get the loot soo I give a shot this trick and worked..

Here is my armory : http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/silvermoon/St%C3%B4rmr%C3%A2g%C3%AA/simple

Kommentar von Igneels

Just got the artifact appearance from killing downfall WITHOUT the charm as soon as I hit Artifact Knowledge 5, it seems they didnt patch this way so Id get your appearance while you still can because they probably will patch this.

Kommentar von voltrain

Just wanted to add some info for those that were looking for it. After this item drops for you, head to coords 28.4, 70.3 in Suramar, on the west side of Felsoul Hold (upper areas around the Hold, not down in it). There, you will find Candrael Twinshadow standing on the edge of the cliff looking down into the hold.

Talk to her, she will boot you over to Downfall. I beat it in Vengeance spec. One word of caution, save your Teufelsklinge for when you need it. I would also recommend NOT using Dämonische Verwüstung as the results seems for Downfall to kick you pretty far away when I used it. If you fall, it's not a big deal, just go find Candrael again and speak to her. The charm is gone from your bags, but there is a dialogue option to challenge Downfall again.

After you kill Downfall, just glide down to where he fell and loot the Tarnung des Todeswandlers from him. Also, if you go back to Candrael, there are no new dialogue options, just the same one to challenge Downfall again.

FYI, I got this item from killing mobs associated with Die Splittermaiden in the tunnels of Falanaar. I cannot confirm the artifact level 5 requirement, but I did already have level 5 at the time it dropped for me. Also, ranks purchased (on my Vengeance weapon is 20). I was also spec'd vengeance when the item dropped for me. In addition, the order hall campaign was completed. In addition, I was over 7k into revered with Nightfallen.

Kommentar von Duskmoon101

Now that's the charm and the way to get the artifact appearance is confirmed, does anyone have any good transmogs for the first color? The toxic green one. :)

Kommentar von bombokmaina

Just dropped the item from a Duskwatch Moonmage in Suramar.
idk if it has any relation to it, but right before it dropped I saw an NPC pandaren apear on the street infront of me saying something like : "Hit hard! Hit first!" before dissapearing again

Kommentar von Syrick

Another confirmation of getting the item off Downfall without the charm. Run and jump from the outer wall of Dalaran and used a goblin glider to get above Downfall. AK5 still. Killed him in Vengeance, not Havoc and still got the item.

Kommentar von Darksheepjr

Ok so today I watched a video https://youtu.be/9BminPFjWqw and it claimed you didn't need the Charm for this hidden skin . I did it and yes it works. I'm Artifact Knowledge 5 and only 19/34 talents on my weapon.

Kommentar von NuggleTheKelpie

Can confirm that you don't need the charm atm. Spent the better part of a week farming for the charm then decided to give it a shot downing Downfall since there were so many claiming you didn't need it and it worked.

Kommentar von photobk

Just got this on MattDemun-Windrunner farming stormheim mobs while helping level a friend's Priest. Had farmed the moonmages, basilisk and apparitions for hours and hours, with no luck. Killing downfall was simple. Best of luck to you all.

Kommentar von EpicRage

Greetings,
I just obtained the Guise of the Deathwalker (which i don't even like as an appearance) and i'd love to share the way i did it, in hopes it would help more people, who actually like it , to get it.

First of all, i searched the web and saw the whole Candrael's Charm and the flying bat in the Felsoul Hold called "Downfall". I never got the charm before, and read a lot of comments of players who were trying to farm it without any results. At this point it occurred to me to try and find a way to get close to "Downfall", and see how would the game react to this. So this is how i made it :

Requirement : You need the Emerald Winds Toy for this.
Optional : Buff up before you start, and have Drums of Fury with you (unless your class has some kind of Bloodlust - Heroism)

1) Get to Dalaran. Go to Krasus Landing and walk down the broken wall (where Demon hunters usually go through to get to their order hall) and turn left. Don't jump off the Dalaran outer grounds.
2) Position yourself in a way that you can see Felsoul Hold in the distance.
3) Jump and Glide, while using your Fel rush on CD, towards Felsoul hold.
4) While Gliding towards it, you will eventually reach the Felsoul Hold area, at which point you'll be able to use your Emerald winds toy.
5) Use emerald winds ability along with Glide to reach downfall.
6) Aim for the centre of the circular wind effect that surrounds him.

At this point your character will stop descending and Downfall will attack you. Start DPSing him and eventually you will get thrown away spinning while Downfall will re position himself somewhere in a lower altitude than yours. Again, use glide to reach him and repeat. This can happen several times so be prepared for it. Also a noteworthy detail here may be that since the fight takes place on the air, i was not able to cast meta, which made the fight a bit longer.

After you kill him, his copse can be looted for the Appearance itself, which will be automatically equipped after a brief animation while it also awards the achievement "Hidden Potential".

NOTE: If you fail to do this with the first try (as i did), you'll have to wait until your emerald winds are ready to be used again (10 min cd), in order for you to retry, so keep that in mind.

My progress so far (not sure if this have anything to do with this, but can't hurt):
Class order hall campaign : Done
Artifact Knowledge : Level 6
Artifact Traits Aquired : 23
Zone campaigns : 100% Chapters completed
Suramar Chapters : 8/11
ilvl : 848

Hope this helps. Cheers!

Kommentar von frexer

Drop from random mob in Suramar

Kommentar von AEZrien

i got this on malganis a few days ago, however it didnt drop from any of the listed mobs, but instead from the spiders in falanaar wile doing a world quest.

Kommentar von roaring

Dropped from Knurrer von Suramar.

Kommentar von drelicharcz

Proof that you do not need to have completed the DH class campaign for this item to drop.

http://imgur.com/a/FBQGP

Kommentar von awhecknum1

This just dropped for me from the snarlers near iron grove flight point. I have not finished suramar quests, or my class hall quests, or my class quests. I was just farming mana and leather with the ley line buff. Dropped after about an hour. I did not even know what it was. RNG favored me for once I guess.

Kommentar von KalsamRetritro

So... just got this while doing Withered Training, as a Vengeance DH. From one of the small chests. Seems that you don't need to even be Havoc at the time for the drop. =\

Kommentar von leviatan1

this IS fVCKING IRONIC! been looking for hidden appereance of VENGEACE killing bosses everyday for as long as expansion is out and i dont get the bulwark!, but this charm killed random mob and got it, MY LIFE IN A NUTSHELL

Kommentar von Shosuke

This just dropped for me off of a Withered Droll in Falanaar. I just finished "recruiting" 10 withered WQ and was off to find another WQ and just happened to run through a few mobs and figured "I might as well just kill these guys." Glad I did. Happened around 21,47.

Kommentar von fraeyashepard

Just realized it was in my bags as of the last 30 minutes, but I'm gonna be real, I have no idea what dropped it and I wasn't paying attention. Was spamming World quests for Rep.

Kommentar von Dlaiyre

CHEAT SHEET:
Obtaining the Havoc Demon Hunter skin: Tarnung des Todeswandlers

1. Get to Demon Hunter Artifact Knowledge 5.
2. Find Candraels Glücksbringer on mobs in Suramar, should be fairly easy to obtain. Minutes in my case.
3. Take this to Candrael Zwillingsschatten on the cliff west of Felsoul Hold (28.2, 70.2)
4. Fling you to flying demon Untergang. If you are near him his winds will keep you aloft while you fight him.
5. He will occassionaly knock you back, make use of your glide ability and make sure you float back to (through) him, you will begin to float once you come near.
6. When he dies his corpse will fall and, you can loot Tarnung des Todeswandlers

This can be done in Havoc OR Vengeance spec, with either loot spec seletected.

Kommentar von Kimera666

Warning:
If you do not use this item, the item will vanish from your inventory, I got one in Falanaar, but because I'm an that could not kill the bat aftr 5 attempts, I decided to try later, well later the item was no longer in my bags.

Today I got a second item again in the same area, Falanaar , worth mentioning that both times I got the item while killing spider, today I'm going to kill that fricking bat.

Kommentar von freha64

It just dropped for me :)

Kommentar von Jerycho

It dropped for me off a Withered Tusk in the southern part of Falanaar.

Kommentar von xLexi

Just got mine today... I overprepared like crazy and it was super easy.

Popped a food buff. Popped a Fläschchen des Siebten Dämons. Popped Metamorphosis BEFORE being punted toward the bat- otherwise you can't do it mid-air. Popped Trommeln des Krieges. Popped a Trank des Alten Krieges. DPS'd for my life and killed him in a matter of a minute probably, from all the punting around he does of you while you're floating there. Loot and profit!

As for my charm, I got it from looting one of the moths in Suramar City at the Twilight Vineyards- the ones you have to kill 8 or so of for the World Quest. Considering how high respawn rate those are, I don't know if it'd be beneficial to farm for your charm there or not- considering I've no idea what the drop rate of it is from that particular mob. However, I would give it some testing and see if you could get just as lucky. :)

Happy Hunting, all!

Kommentar von Talnot

Just got mine from a Tanzanite Shatterer, while doing the Tools of the Trade quest. Seems to drop from more than just the 3 that are listed.

Kommentar von MeAjur

This just dropped for me a few minutes ago. As of when I type this, I have not yet gone off to get the skin, and thought I should note a few things before I forget. My Artifact Knowledge is 5. My vengeance weapon is at 19 and my havoc weapon at 8, and all of my havoc points came from world quest rewards that I decided to plug into havoc instead of vengeance in a mild attempt to catch the weapon up. The weapon levels don't actually matter, but I mention it anyway to show that I barely even spend time as havoc. In fact, I was in vengeance when the charm dropped while I was doing the world quest Unspeakable Collaborators. Also: yesterday I had finished the Order Hall questline.

TLDR: Artifact Knowledge 5. You don't have to be in havoc for this to drop. Order Hall campaign finished.

Kommentar von Ex1st

I recieved this item as a random drop from a Nebelhöhlenjäger mob in Suramar
Quest is easy to complete however had no indicator as to where to go.

Kommentar von Retik77

Just thought I'd post this here. I just found this charm off of some spiders over in Falanaar. I have 7250 rep with Nightfallen and I have AK 5. I have NOT completely my class hall quest line yet. I am however level 110 in havoc spec.

Small edit: Rep level is honored with the Nightfallen.

Kommentar von Hax1s

I have just obtained this item, almost immediately getting frustrated and putting in a ticket. I have done mostly everything I've read. Farmed certain mobs for hours. I'm assuming this is how you obtain the item:

1. Since most hidden artifact appearances need AK 5+, and completion of order hall campaign, I'd recommend doing both. I haven't confirmed that you can obtain it without this, but I am assuming it is a requirement based on it being a requirement for almost ALL hidden appearances.

2. I was in Havoc spec since it is a Havoc appearance, I have not confirmed obtaining it via vengeance.

3. I see that multiple people have stated they have gotten a drop from various mobs other than basilisks and moonmage. I believe this to be TRUE. Because I believe the item is obtained by grinding WORLD QUEST MOBS.

Basically as a last ditch effort I went to an area where I had to kill mobs as part of a World Quest, more specifically, the one where you get the orbs and free the slaves. Well, instead of completing, I just grinded out mobs left and right and after a bit, put in my GM ticket cuz i was at wit's end and silently raging. Than after I clicked submit i killed a pack and it dropped.

So kill mobs in the world quest area, meet prerequisites if you wish. I am new to posting and currently trying to figure out how to attach a screenshot. Added a screenshot in a reply to myself, but I will post here as well for convenience. Update: link was removed because I am a new user, but is availble in the replies.

If you look at the server time on the screenshot, you will see that I took this screen shot and finished this post roughly 30-45 minutes after, my time is EST, I am on illidan but have it set to local.

Kommentar von IAmForsaken777

Anyone know if the charm still drops after you loot the skin off of Downfall without it?

Kommentar von Aezyria

I just got this item from a Moonlight Hunter in the Meredil region in Suramar.

I don't know if this is useful info, but figured I would still post just incase.

Kommentar von Elmdran

Just to add a bit of extra information.

Got the Candraels Glücksbringer drop today on literally my first pack of mobs.
I had read that you got the drop during Suramar world quest, but I got the drop without those mobs being a current world quest at the time.

I'm not sure exactly what mob dropped it, but I killed the guards in Suramar City close to Vanthir at around 48,80.

Went straight to Candrael Zwillingsschatten at 28,70 and killed Untergang which was much easier than I expected.

I never used Fel Rush as to not leave the tornado, the boss flew upwards a tiny amount so I just made sure to stand in auto-attack range and used Throw Glaive and Chaos Strike. When the boss tossed me away I waited for me to stop spinning and glided down into his winds and repeated the same thing.

I might have been incredibly lucky but from starting the "farm", to actually having the hidden appearance, a total of 15~ minutes had elapsed.

Good luck!

EDIT:
Screenshot - http://i.imgur.com/O0Viqv7.png
Armory - http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/tarren-mill/maydriel/advanced

Kommentar von Ravenrose3

i can confirm that you don't need to have completed your order hall quests to have it drop.

Kommentar von zlot389

You DO NOT need Candraels Glücksbringer to get Tarnung des Todeswandlers.

I used Smaragdwinde + Gleiten to fly to Untergang from Dalaran. Flying was really easy, and then I just used auto-attack (with Demon Blades talent), Chaos Blades, and Throw Glaive to kill him. Looted Downfall's corpes and BAM! Tarnung des Todeswandlers.

Proof: h ttp://imgur.com/7Y7CpoU
*Sorry to do that the hard way, but this is my first post and I can't post links

I hope this helps some people save some time, cause I wasted a lot of it trying to farm Candraels Glücksbringer and it wasn't even necessary.

Edit: Sorry, Forgot a couple details. I was artifact knowledge level 8, 10070/12000 Nightfallen rep, and had completed my order hall campaign when I did this. I'm not sure if any of that mattered (guessing at least artifact knowledge does), but it's stuff I've seen mentioned in other posts.

Kommentar von Firekitty91

I was a Havoc Demon Hunter on the world quest where you have to kill Felsoul Hold demons to make an assault counter go up (forgot the name of the quest). I went into Fel Breach to pull as many as possible and just kill them all at once and got this charm to drop without even knowing about it until now. XD My Demon Hunter has not completed his Class Hall Campaign (but he's on the quest where you have to loot 15 Sovereign Souls) but he does have an Artifact Knowledge level of 9.

Kommentar von Zariya8998

11/4/16

After reaching artifact knowledge level 5 I flew to suramar and started to head towards the inner part of the city. On my way I encountered a named mounted mob with a pet; I believe it's the one that when killed provides an ancient mana fountain when standing in it. The mob chased me for quite some time and obviously wasn't going To reset so I eventually gave up as I was close to death anyway. I died ran back and then continued on to suramar city. Once I arrived in the inner area of suramar city I killed ONE pull worth of mobs looking mainly for the felguard looking guys and The charm dropped. I don't know if it had to do with dying in Suramar or what but I figured I would share with you all my exact chain of events. Best of luck to you all

Tldr: die in suramar once after reaching artifact knowledge 5 then kill random mobs in side the city mainly demons

Kommentar von ichmili

In 7.1 I've gotten the "Candrael neck", Flown from Highmountain, Dalaran and launched by Candrael to Downfall, and killed him on all 3 occasions, but not once was he lootable.
I also was havoc all 3 times, and my artifact knowledge is 13.
Any suggestions to what I can do different to get my Hidden Artifact appearance?
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Kommentar von Sarlis

Video of this event

Kommentar von cyzygy06

I got this off of a non-aggressive porcupine that I accidentally Fel Rushed through in Suramar...so you can actually get this from any mob there.

Kommentar von Neonchai

Got mine just now from farming Doe's (for the glyph. edit: got it some 10 min after :3) in Suramar.

AK 16/Order Hall quest thingie complete if that matters to anyone.

I've been here for about 20 min or so, just under Crimson Thicket.

Kommentar von Cubcake

Just stopping by to confirm that the Highmountain method still works. Had to do it twice tho. First time I was unable to loot but someone else was killing the mob as well. Not sure if that had anything to do with it. Second time, I talked to her first (I didn't have the charm, but I have heard that initiating contact with her may allow you to loot, so I figured why not)... flew to highmountain, glided over, killed the mob (I was the only one killing the mob this time), was able to loot.

Kommentar von Necrosis12

what a horrible buggy boss ( Downfall) had to kill him 6 times before he had loot for me . Still at least its one more hidden crossed off the list

Kommentar von talaan1

I got Candrael's Charm off a mob while doing a World Quest in Stormheim yesterday. I had to look it up on Wowhead because I didn't have a clue what it was - haven't tried the Downfall fight yet. Wanted to post though since it apparently can drop outside Suramar.

Kommentar von Mooherder

With flying you can just pass everything and just fly into him, kill him and loot the Appearance.

Kommentar von Alcasczar

Either the drop is not guaranteed or he's bugged as I didn't get any loot and killed him about 7 times on my Havoc. Ticket submitted to blizzard just in case.

Kommentar von rrrof711

I tried to do this on my DH as vengeance and it is difficult to get to him after the second time he tosses you without double fel rushing. Managed to beat him after switching to Havoc and attempting to just fly into him but it appeared that he died when I got him to like 10% after the second toss and there was no loot. Maybe something to do with stunning him when he is at low health or because of not using the charm to get boosted to him at least once.

Edit: After using the Candrael's Charm and messing it up once I had her send me back up there again (even though she took the charm the first time she will send you back up there.) and beat him without stunning him and he dropped the appearance. I think the issue has something to do with stunning him when he is low on health and also not using the Candrael's Charm to get sent up there can bug the drop if you have received the charm previously. Who knows?

Kommentar von Olieron

I can confirm, you don't need Candraels Glücksbringer or glide to Untergang from highmountain to get Tarnung des Todeswandlers. Just fly to there and kill boss.

Kommentar von Cinnestra

This dropped for me today while doing the opening quest chain for Suramar while escorting Thalyssra.

Level 110, and I have not completed the class hall campaign. Currently on Invasionsvorbereitungen.

They may have changed something with today's reset, but you definitely do not need to complete anything in Suramar or the Class Hall campaign to get this to drop.

Kommentar von vaniljvarg

In 7.2.5 they seem to have added the item Candraels Glücksbringer as a requirement. I have done this on another DH before, so I knew very well where to look, but Downfall would not show up (went there at like 10 different times). Eventually I tried to go after the item instead and see if that worked and after I got it, he showed up instantly.

Update: As for the farming of the charm by request; I simply pulled a lot of (different) mobs within the lower/inner areas of Suramar City and got it after roughly 15 minutes.

Kommentar von Muraghar

Anyone know if not using the charm and flying to Downfall still works as of 7.2.5?

Kommentar von lnsertUsername

For those reading this in 7.2.5: You DO need theCandraels Glücksbringer for Downfall to spawn.

Kommentar von PixelNova

Alright so here's my experience in getting this one.

I read every comment here, farmed the Trappers and Grimdottr for a while, then headed into Suramar and committed mass genocide there for about 2 hours.

Today I did the same, but I've probably been at it ALL day, the necklace finally dropped from a Highblade inside Suramar city. It may also be worth mentioning that it dropped from the npcs that were required for the World Quest where Varentis (whatever his name is) says "Show them we can fight back!"

After getting the item I found the npc whose item it belonged to (couldn't see her or the bat previously). She kicked me into the air and into Downfall.

12mil HP super easy to defeat.

Good luck!

Kommentar von kasheen

Can confirm you can also get it from the Suramar intro quest when you beam down from the city.

Kommentar von SnOoPz

Does anyone know the best area to farm for this item now, since Blizzard hotfixed this... You now need to get the item and speak to the NPC to throw you into Downfall, otherwise you cannot see Downfall anymore. I've been farming around Crimson Thicket for 5 hours now, and no drop.

Kommentar von Zamino

This just dropped from a Abkömmling der Dämmerwache while doing the quest Freunde in Käfigen. Can also add that i did alot of farming of random mobs in Suramar without any luck so i just decided to quest instead.

Kommentar von Knightsbayne

The charm just dropped for me, took 3 days of like 2-3 hour farming and it dropped just north of meridil in the mountain pass close to irongrove retreat from a moonstalker

Kommentar von Felflames

Spent hours farming this item on current 7.2.5 on my Demon Hunter. Farming the highest drop-rate mobs which are Felborne Trappers and the little npc called Hertha Grimdottir. She has a respawn time of 1 minute and has 0.6% dropchance. Between her respawn i kill Felborne Trappers then get her,and repeat.Doing this for quite some time and slowly loosing faith in getting this appearance... Too bad I started playing DH on 7.2.5 because in 7.2 it was obtainable without the charm. Now this is just unfortunate for a lot of players who don't have it and probably won't have it cuz of this awfully low drop rate

Kommentar von Cydros

It took me about 10 minutes of farming this item in Suramar City. Dropped from some random demons

Kommentar von Vegasm

Tried farming Hertha Grimdottir and the trappers & nightbornes surrounding her cave for 1,5 hours without any luck.

Figured I'd try my luck inside Suramar City and the 3rd Duskwatch Highblade I killed dropped the charm. So yeah, Suramar City is the way to go.

Kommentar von Guardiantay

Currently on live you are required to both farm for the charm (I farmed Terrace of Order and Concourse of Destiny in Suramar city) and talk to Candrael in order to get Downfall to drop the item. He DOES spawn with only the charm, but he WILL NOT drop the Guise unless you get her to kick you into him. After that, it's a quick kill and you'll have your hidden appearance.

Kommentar von Hellwolve

With the changes for Artifact Knowledge, are all Demon Hunters now 'automagically' eligible for Candrael's Charm to drop? I've been farming Suramar mobs for quite a bit now, but it hasn't dropped yet. I've tried asking Blizzard, but they "are unfotunately not allowed to give any kind of information about the way to get secret appearances for artefacts." ;-)

Kommentar von carsomyrr

Dropped for me after 6 minutes of killing all mobs around the fast-respawning Suramar Loyalists on 44.8, 66.8

Kommentar von Hellwolve

If anyone has been trying to get this as I have...Apparently you have to have the achievement Power Ascended as well. I got that yesterday, and up to that moment, I hadn't seen the Charm. Now, today, on my very first eligible kill, I got the charm. My gut feeling says that's no coincidence :-)

Kommentar von Coobies

Judging by the time left on the mission I started right before flying to Suramar, it took 28-30 minutes to farm these for me. I just hit 110 on DH today, AK 50, I HAVE NOT COMPLETED my order hall questline, I'm currently on the part where I have to do 5 missions. I flew around the promenade in Suramar City looking for dense packs of Nightborne and nuked them down. The loyalists respawn quickly but they're a pain in the ass to gather since they just stand there casting. This dropped from like the 20th group I mowed down, right in the area with the world quest to free the prisoners from the force field cages.

Kommentar von Sayake

Wish I had done this before the patch but my dh wasn't 110 yet. :P
Almost exalted with the Nightfallen and starting the Insurrection questline now and nothing so far (and I'm excessively killing mobs everywhere); meanwhile my bf starts playing again, (quit during MoP and only played a week during WoD) decides to level a demon hunter and gets the charm after being in Suramar for 5 min.. Yay RNG xD

Kommentar von Rudy199

Looted this from mobs in cave while doing quest Werkzeuge des Handwerks It seems like it drops off anything big or small in Suramar zone.

Kommentar von SchouNielsen

Lucky or something wrong with the dropchance, I just killed 8 Nightborne Trappers near Crimson Thicket and it dropped

Kommentar von Unredeemed

To anyone still trying for this...

I got my charm today after farming for about 45 minutes each day the past two days. I tried farming mobs in Suramar City, I tried farming in Crimson Thicket. I even tried farming mobs in Moon Guard Stronghold. I was in Felsoul Hold farming demons in the southwest of the crater and it dropped after about 10 minutes of farming the mobs there.

Hope this helps some of you!

Kommentar von Feltanyl

I was farming this in 7.3.

1. You can't see the mob OR the friendly NPC who kicks you at him unless you have this item.
2. Not sure if this was a bug or intended, but flying right up to the mob on mount and killing him didn't let me loot. I HAD to get kicked up there in order to loot his body

I believe, though I cannot confirm 100%, that you need to be at least a few hundred into Revered with Nightfallen to loot this item. I got it whilst doing the quests for killing basilisks/retrieving Glaives for the demon hunter you rescue in the northern part of Felsoul hold. I actually looted the item from a Wyrmtongue mob in one of the big caves cut into the side of the ravine, on the east side.

Prior to farming rep up to Revered (this is an alt character, haven't really bothered with farming rep for obsolete gear in an obsolete zone) I farmed for 2 days with no drops. Within an hour or so of hitting Revered I had my appearance!

Kommentar von Zarasz

I tried farming the basilisks in felsoul hold. I tried farming the trappers. No drops so far. Then I found this. A guy on reddit claims this only drops from world quests since 7.2: https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/6qvvqh/candraels_charm_drops/dl0tt4u/

Which is it?

Kommentar von purenrgy

Ok, so to clear some things up and tell you how I got this

1. You do not have to do Dailys to get this drop.
2. It will drop from any mob in Suramar.
3. Yes, RNG is crappy for this so it may take a while.
4. You don't have to be lvl 110.
5. You can (as of 7.2) be in a group with someone that uses this item and kills the mob and get the skin also. You will not be able to see anything or loot anything but you will get it in the mail. SEE NOTE BELOW
6. You do not need a specific rep to get this drop.
7. You do not need to be in Havoc spec.

Simply just farm mobs and eventually you will get it. The best place I found was 44.31, 68.66. It is by the water across from where you do the Daily quest to unlock the Accused Suramar Citizens from the prison cells. There is a waterfall and little circular pool of water. On the corner are two tables of Suramar Loyalist. 3 per table. They only have 1.3 mil life and respawn quick.

After trying many other places to farm I started here and the Candrael's Charm drop after only 10 min. Probably lucky but it was a fast way to grind. I did it in Veng Spec.

After getting this item I went to see Candrael Twinshadow at 27.99, 70.88. I could see Downfall in the air so I just flew up to attack him, but all I did was fall. I went back and talked to Candrael. She shot me in the air and then I could actually fight Downfall properly to get my Guise of the Deathwalker.

I will add some screen shots of the spot. Hope this helps.

NOTE: Once you use Guise of the Deathwalker, both Candrael Twinshadow and your Candrael's Charm will be gone. You cannot repeat this kill afterwards.

Kommentar von Cr00xY

My DH is exalted with nightfallen, killed nobody knows how many mobs meanwhile - still no drop, while some people got it on first or 2nd mob. THANKS A LOT blizz for random drops and RNG in general!

Kommentar von Eladamari

My personal favorite spot to farm this was at .

You can pull 15 Loyalist Sycophants and 1 Ambassador D'vwinn behind a pillar and simply AoE them down. The respawn is about a minute, which lines up well with Chaos Nova/Eye Beam/Fury of the Illidari.

Kommentar von Xoxotl

Those of us who have lousy luck with RNG will have a very painful time of this. I've been farming Saramar City for over 16 hours now and it hasn't dropped for me.

Kommentar von Beatrice

Can it drop for a DH that has already obtained the appearance without the talisman?

Kommentar von malrats

Any word on this dropping in 7.3.5? I've been farming all over Suramar for 2-3 hours so far and there's been nothing. I had seen someone saying it only drops from WQs, but I hope that isn't true.

Edit: Just dropped from a normal enemy in Moon Guard Stronghold. I was not on a WQ.

Kommentar von Sunfox

I just got this from a regular Withered mob while doing the beginning quests in Suramar. Three things to note:

I was in Havoc spec.
I DID NOT have my Order Hall campaign completed.
I was NOT doing a World Quest nor was I in the vicinity of one.

Kommentar von Tulavelir

I was on the quest to kill 50 demons in Felsoul Hold Verseuchung verbannen and happened to also be on two WQ's in the area at the same time, but I really think those had nothing to do with the drop. I got it off an Abscheulicher Konstrukteur at 28.85, 62.32 in the north end of Felsoul Hold.
EDIT: I was in tank spec.

Kommentar von Kretran

Just got my charm and the appearance a couple of minutes ago. It took me about 1.5 hours of farming demons and basilisks in Felsoul Hold. The charm dropped off a basilisk for me.

Kommentar von ShinJidaiNoKami

Received it on 18/6/18. For some reason it seems the right side part of the suramar city mobs dont drop it ( eg sycophants) Maybe nerfed cause it was 2 easy to farm it ? Maybe i was just unlucky. Personally i suggest farming the mobs on the lower left side "canals area" of the city. - Around the place where u get the quest to kill the couriers who carry letters - NO WQ required.

Kommentar von Metrallero

I don't know if it will help anyone but it dropped to me from one of those falanaar spider/human hybrids in falanaar proximities, I was trying to find the way to the world boss that appears near Shalaran and it suddendly dropped. I didn't have my order campaign nor legion campaign nor anything completed.

Kommentar von gemini78

spent 1 hour 49 mins in Suramar city .. nothing ..
gave up, went to Ambervale to do a lousy quest, 2 mins in and it drops from a random withered lol

Kommentar von CrumbCookie

Just got it from the Felsoul hold.
Was farming the road; up and down the hill.

Kommentar von Ozbaab

Found this by grinding mobs in Suramar City. No WQ near.
Took me perhaps 2isch hours combined.

Kommentar von Cetex1337

I farmed in Felsoul Hold for maybe @ 1 hour here in patch 8.0 without luck.
Then i saw the drop rates for Nightborne Trapper is a lot higher than usually and instead started farming over there at them and got it after maybe 10-15 minutes.
Might be luck, but i got it really fast after only a couple of packs.

Kommentar von Belaflek

as of BFA 8.0.1 the quest line is still good and the appearance went into my trasmogs

Kommentar von Maroush

I did not find a lot of information about obtaining this in BFA so here is some info.

Some info about my character:

- Made this character in BFA
- Have not done a single quest in Suramar
- Neutral with The Nightfallen

In order to loot Candraels Glücksbringer in BFA you only need to have acquired Zwillingsklingen des Betrügers.

Once you have the Artifact you can start farming.
Suramar city is a good spot, a lot of mobs and quite high spawn rate.

What dropped it for me was an Abkömmling der Dämmerwache at 46.22, 66,16
Took me about 4 hours

Good luck out there!

Kommentar von Otakamichi

Just got mine in BfA. I haven't even done a single world quest nor normal quest in suramar. I also had my artifact weapon in the bags and not equipped. It took me about half an hour to get it dropped. Good luck!

EDIT: Apparently, you don't even need this item anymore according to Heelvbabyface's guide on youtube. Oh well, it didn't take me that much time anyway.

Kommentar von zanderath5366

Can Confirm this is working In BFA. Just got it.

DH was made in legion, but I never played it nor completed any of the artifact stuff. I did have my artifact weapon and that is it.

I never quested in suramar

I farmed for about 2.5 hours. I started out in SW side of Suramar, after an hour of no drops, I went to Felsoul Hold to the west. Another hour there and I decided to go to the NE side of Suramar City with the elites. Got it after about 15 minutes or so. Mine dropped off a Felguard looking dude.

Kommentar von kian

While farming for the charm on my Alliance DH, I spent close to 3 hours killing in Suramar City and the Moon Guard Stronghold with no luck. When I did it back in Legion with my Horde DK, it took only a few minutes.

I was using the hidden appearance as a transmog for my BFA weapons and decided to test if that could be the issue. Within just a few kills of switching to the actual Twinblades, it dropped. Could have been coincidence with RNG, or the game recognized I had the appearance and would not drop it. Worth considering if anyone is in the same situation.

It also dropped off of a rare, Arcanist Lylandre.

Kommentar von Gabb1995

As of 8.1.0 it still drops!

Kommentar von Delekii

Just farmed this post 8.1; short confirmation that it still drops seemingly in the same fashion, and Downfall becomes instantly visible only after it drops.

I farmed approximately 2000 mobs in total throughout Suramar, mostly focused on SW Suramar City itself. It eventually dropped in the elite part of Suramar.

Kommentar von maorel

over 45 minutes of farming as 120 and nothing dropped
patch 8.2

Kommentar von Tacotruck

I just got it, Patch 8.3, just a few hours before the 3rd reset into the patch.

I haven't done really any of the order hall quest, very little questing in legion at all, really. Did most of my leveling on this DH in PvP during the anniversary event.

I did unlock the Suramar quest line and was a few quests into that. I had been doing quests and farming mobs back and forth, no luck over many hours. Mostly I was farming the elite part of the city.

What I finally did, and what i think made the difference, was to swap to my real twin blades, not BFA weapons, and farming the same mobs I'd been farming for hours, no more than 5 minutes after swapping to the real twin blades, I got the charm to drop.

Re-equipped my 400+ weapons and one shot the bat. EZPZ.

Farming the elites was incrementally slower with the real twin blades equipped, 3-4 hits instead of 1 or 2 per mob pack, and that's with nothing in the relic slots, so I highly recommend just swapping them in. It barely slows you down and it seems it makes a big difference to the drop tables.

Kommentar von xRiptydex

Can confirm this item still does drop. I ran around Suramar City for roughly about 30 mins, murdering everything, and it finally dropped.

Had Zwillingsklingen des Betrügers in my backpack, but I don't think it's necessary for the drop.

Kommentar von ComteMontecristo

If it can help anyone, I just went into Suramar city with the Zwillingsklingen des Betrügers equipped. It dropped on the first pack. Then just go talk the Candrael Twinshadow, she will bump you into the mob, just kill it and it will drop the hidden appearance item. Don't kill the mob without talking to Candrael before, it's useless, he won't drop anything.

Kommentar von super1ative

Didn't know this was a thing until I googled it. It dropped for me after about 2 days while Legion questing in Suramar in 8.3.0- no Warglaives of Deceiver equipped nor in my bag (they are in my bank) so don't think this is necessary.

Kommentar von stefanbrandtner

i can comfirm as of today 31.5.2020 the charm droppt for me in less than 5 minutes farming and i had bfa weapons equippt not the twinblades happy hunting =)

Kommentar von Shenliwu

I spent almost two hours in Suramar today killing Nightborne. Only once what I had done to the local population could legally described as "genocide" did I stop to consider that I should perhaps go do the quest for the Havoc Demon hunter artifact. When I had originally levelled through Legion I was levelling in Vengeance spec, so I hadn't bothered with the Havoc Artifact.
After completing said quest to unlock the Twinblades of the Deceiver, I went back to Suramar and went to farming the same spot --it dropped within 10 minutes.

TLDR: Make sure you've done the quest to unlock the "Twinblades of the Deceiver" weapon.

Kommentar von Nyssim

This item does still drop. I waltzed into Suramar City, endured the latency issues, and got it in 5 minutes. Good luck to everyone else.

Kommentar von Descentia

Oh my gosh, what I thought of as I followed him down:

Once I actually killed him, that little adrenaline rush was pretty fun! ^_^

Kommentar von Varrak93

Spent a stupid amount of time farming Suramar mobs to get this to drop, getting well past exalted in the process. After a half hour or so of grinding elites I read a comment below about equipping the actual artifact weapons and coincidence or not it literally drops in the next 4 kills. So give it a try if youve had zero luck like me!

Kommentar von coolguy23

The absolute best place in all of Suramar to farm this is in The Gilded Market in Suramar City, where Ambassador D'vwinn spawns. He spawns with a whole bunch of adds and they all respawn very quickly (30 seconds to a minute). Just kill them all and wait for them to respawn and kill them again. It'll drop eventually. I hope this helps someone.
PS: Didn't need to have the artifact weapon equipped. It's in my bank.

Kommentar von Siddoh

Spent maybe an hour today with no drop, then equipped my artifact weapons and got the drop in less than two minutes.

Kommentar von rhostam

20201127 personal update: On DH with artifacts in bags and this dropped. I was in Felsoul Hold on the quest to connect the ley lines. A random minion dropped this item. I wasn't even looking for it. The best surprise when I read up on it! As for the fight that ensues, don't move around much and you won't fall out of the field around the mob. It's a challenge because as havoc that is what we do. Slice, dash, and dice.

Kommentar von JarvisX7

Make sure you have world quest unlocked for legion.. i farmed for a couple of hours and got nothing then i noticed i didnt have WQ unlocked. did the quick quest to unlock WQ, item dropped within the next few mobs

Kommentar von Katt2213

Farmed for 30 mins in suramar, no luck. Grabbed my artifact weapon and equipped it, first pack I pulled dropped the charm. patch 9.0.5

Kommentar von RazorsAlt

Was doing the Broken Shore campaign when this dropped from a demon mob =) woohoo!

Kommentar von di3di3di3

10 October 2021.
Random kill near Nighthold mythic entrance without wearing artifacts but having them in bag.

Kommentar von vladdo08

For anyone reading this during 9.1.5 and onwards:

This still drops
You NEED it before moving forward with the tasks for the hidden weapon appearance.
MAYBE it was a coincidence, but I farmed for 3h WITHOUT the weapons ACTUALLY EQUIPPED and nothing happened. AFTER I equipped them, it dropped in ~1 min.
An amazing spot to farm it, with a lot of mobs and crazy fast spawn times is 66.28 56.54 (fel mobs in a small area NE of Suramar City).

Happy farming!

Kommentar von SeabassBruh

Takes effing forever but yeah just farm near the ambassador guy and you'll get it eventually, i had my artifact equipt, not sure if you need to though.

Kommentar von Diggsy

Got this in about 20 seconds, killed Botschafter D'vwinn and the mobs around him and it dropped instantly

might just be luck but idk

i was vengeance spec, lvl 52, artifact weapon in bag

Kommentar von Palanthis

Candrael's Charm will still drop, even if you already have the appearance. However, killing Downfall will not drop any loot.

Kommentar von Freiheight

Do i need to be in the chain quest to be able to farm this charm? Trying to farm this in Dragonflight

Kommentar von Freiheight

I can confirm this still drops at Suramar City from mobs near the prison World quest at 44,69 in Dragonflight Expansion.

What you need to do :
1.Get the Legion quest at Orgrimmar or Stromwind for the Fighting the Legion quest. Finish it until you open up your class order hall.
2. Get your artifact quest and equip the Twinblades while farming at Suramar.

Good Luck!

Kommentar von Rasczak503

Dragonflight 10.0.5

Still drops, took 20 minutes of farming in Southwest Suramar.

Kommentar von IpKonfig

Dropped in Dragonflight 2/2/23

Did intro Order Hall quests until I got the artifact weapon.

Farmed for over an hour without them equipped but in bag, equipped them and got it 3 kills later.

Take from that what you will.

Kommentar von S4m0th

Dropped today at the artisan's galery with artifact weapons equipped

Kommentar von luciroku

Dropped for me this morning from trash outside of the entrance to Nighthold. I didn't know what it was at first. I did not have my artifact weapons equipped or in my bags. I had completed the order hall stuff on this toon up to acquiring the mount when Legion was live.

Kommentar von Dreadalous

Dropped today from random minor demon at Felsoul Hold at /way 30.55, 64.53
Artifacts were not equipped, they were in bag.

After acquiring this item go to /way 28.36, 70.29. There you will find NPC Candrael Zwillingsschatten
Speak to hear initiating the dialogue "Are these your initials?"

She will whack you into Untergang so get ready to kill fast and glide.

When looted Untergang drops Tarnung des Todeswandlers

Kommentar von Garrogar

Dropped for me in about 5 minutes just killing the mobs around Botschafter D'vwinn, they respawn quick and you can kill other enemies around if you don't want to afk farm it. There doesn't seem to be any prerequisites for this item to drop anymore. However I did have the artifact weapons in my bag (unequipped), which there seems to be speculation on this page about whether or not that's necessary, but something to note.

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