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Kommentar von Rifkin11

Had this drop today and watching for it to proc. Cute little red whelp spawns and does a red breath and then sits down (sometimes goes to sleep) and then de-spawns. It is possible for it to proc straight away, as early on I had two spawn together.

Kommentar von NagisaStreams

Edit: This was all written pre-release I didn't have too much time to look at it. There is now a full wowhead guide about it. You are better off reading that.

Used it and it said

"(Name)'s Ruby Whelping looks at (him) with tired eyes, yawns, and falls asleep.",

The trinket has a 1 day cooldown on this mechanic, and while it did nothing this time, it may do something on subsequent tries. I will write back if I find anything.

Edit 2: Second day, did the exact same thing as above. Both times were out of combat, I will try it in combat next time
Edit 3: Nothing was happening until days later, it said "(Name)'s Ruby Whelping belches, and gives a hearty grin as smoke rises from his nose." this was in combat. My damage meters did not pickup any damage however, so not positive it does damage.
Edit 4: "(Name)'s Ruby Whelping dances around gleefully with a devious look in his eye"

Kommentar von Caelus

BIG UPDATE: It's been discovered how this trinket works (sort of) and it's different from what we thought.

While in combat, this trinket procs random spells and stat buffs.

Damage spells: Lupfende Feuernova does AOE and Feuerschuss does single target.
Healing spells: Curing Breath and Roter Welpe (Heilender Atem).
Buffs: Roter Welpe (Unter roten Schwingen) buffs Haste and Roter Welpe (Schläfrige Rubinwärme) buffs Critical Strike. Buff is a significant number for 20 seconds.

The on-use:
You train your whelpling for 6 days. You get 6 "training points" you can divide among the different spells, listed above. Once you're at 6 points used, you can stop training the whelpling, or you can keep training to move points somewhere else. Progress is bound to your character, not the trinket.

The current training modes we have found:
Fire Nova (AoE): Fire elementals in Azure Span, AoE target dummies in Valdrakken
Fire Shot (ST): Any other hostile NPC
Curing Whiff (ST heal): Friendly NPC/player
Mending Breath (AoE heal): AoE healing target dummies
Crit Buff: Yourself with 2 or fewer healable allies near you
Haste Buff: Yourself with 3 or more healable allies near you

You can have a maximum of six points in all training modes combined; if you retrain after this, the highest mode will lose a point.

You can freely upgrade, vendor/unvendor, get a second shell, and the training mode will remain the same.

At 6 points, the whelp is almost fully consistent, and will do its action ~90% of the time, with the associated mode the remaining 10%. For Fire Shot, this associated mode is Fire Nova.

We still lack the following info, which we hope to solve with data:
Whether the associated mode trigger is based on outside factors (lust, other mobs, adds,...)
What the relative proc rates between days of training are and how they change

Macro to see which spells you have your points in:
/run for i=2148,2153,1 do V=C_CurrencyInfo.GetCurrencyInfo(i); print(V.name.." - discovered:",tostring(V.discovered)..", quantity:",tostring(V.quantity)) end

I had Feuerschuss at 6 points from my testing, and it hit usually only once per boss fight, equaling about 1% of my damage, with a small chance to also cast Lupfende Feuernova.
IMO stat proc is the way to go. You don't get to choose when spells cast so an AOE spell can cast when you're against 1 enemy and not when you're against 25. At least with a buff you can always make use of it.

When using it, your whelpling will indicate which spell you trained:

Targeting no one/yourself: Ruby Whelpling looks at you with tired eyes, yawns and falls asleep.
Targeting a single-target enemy: Ruby Whelpling belches, and gives a hearty grin as smoke rises from his nose.
Targeting an AOE enemy: Ruby Whelpling dances gleefully with a devious look in his eye.
Targeting single-target ally: Ruby Whelpling bites his lip, then gently blows a cool breeze that whisks away.
Targeting AOE allies: Ruby Whelpling inhales a large amount of air, and lets out a long, relieving sigh.

Kommentar von Necromorta

Another item to keep in my bank forever. :)

Kommentar von alpanhell

I really like this trinket. Not only can this whelp hit very hard but it can also give you a powerful heal.

I wish this arrived later in the game so you didn't replace it so early.

Kommentar von Ne0s59934

Not only is the proc chance insanely low
but the damage it deals is so ^&*! its unbelievable
maybe its helpful to tanks and healers but dps wise its bad bad

Kommentar von Solovrinne

was talking to some of the SimC guys and the current theory is that the on use actually does nothing to affect the different procs the dragon can do. the on use may be just be related to some secret finding thing that is undiscovered.

they think the dragon is just a standard random roll between the 6 procs (fire shot, fire nova, crit buff, haste buff, mending breath, curing whiff)

based on my experience with the trinket i am inclined to agree, the dragon seems to do whatever it wants.

overall this trinket looks terrible. the 1.01 unhasted RPPM that chooses between 6 different procs, 2 of them being just a heal, is so random and swingy i would find it hard to justify ever using this trinket over another option. if you could somehow tell the dragon to stop healing people then maybe.

Kommentar von zalt

Like others mentioned, it triggers based on what you selected while activating its on-use effect.
It seems to use currencies to track what is selected, where the ones you used the most will proc more often.

For me, only the currencies' discovered and quantity properties seem to be changing.

To check what is currently selected, I made a macro to print them out:
/run for i=2148,2153,1 do V=C_CurrencyInfo.GetCurrencyInfo(i); print(V.name.." - discovered:",tostring(V.discovered)..", quantity:",tostring(V.quantity)) end

I main healing, so had mostly an ally selected when activating. "Curing Whiff" was on quantity 5 yesterday, and after selecting an auctioneer it put "Mending Breath" on 1.
Today I targeted an enemy mob, which set my Curing Whiff back to 4, Mending Breath still on 1 and put Fire Shot on 1.

Small test set and can only use it once a day. Yesterday it did seem to proc the currency on 5 to proc about five times as much as the other one, but could be a coincidence.

Edit, a few more days and a few more tests later:
All of these currencies have a max of 6, but the max of 6 is for all of them combined.
The on-use currency change does not seem to be first-in-first-out, because I tried Fire Shot for 1 day and after using it on an ally the previous selection was subtracted again.

I'd still like to know what the exact 6 different targets are (always needs a target).

Probably a neutral npc in there...
Also, I didn't check at the beginning, but it likely just starts out at 0 and the first on-use is 1 stack -- as several people are mentioning the low procs when they just got one.

Kommentar von ShadowSear

Ok, so I got this Trinket, like, a week ago on my Warlock, and I've been deciding to use the proc effect every day when it's up (when I remember to, that is). When I first got this Trinket and used it only once, I rarely got the Whelp to spawn. However, after using it about 5 times (I forgot to use it a few times, so maybe it's about 3 or 4) I start getting the Whelp to spawn way more often, and sometimes multiple times at once (I've had 3 spawned at a time. Side note: not from the same spell) the effects they give are still random, however I believe that each time you use this Trinket, it increases the chance of the Whelp spawning. I could be wrong about this however and could just be getting lucky with its spawns. I'll have to do more tests to confirm or deny this theory.

Edit: did a run through Halls of Valor after another couple uses of the Trinket (trying to get Eye of Skovald) and I feel like the Ruby Whelp now spawns way more often than when I first got the Trinket. Procs between if I get the Ruby Whelp to deal damage or boost my stats is still random, but I would say I got it once every Minute or two, and have even gotten two whelps out at a time from different spells. I'll have to do more testing to confirm this theory, but I do believe that the more you use the "use" effect of this Trinket, the more likely your whelp will spawn.

Edit 2: Used it again. Can confirm 1 thing: previous theories/comments were right, that depending on what you're doing when you use it DOES effect what the Whelp will be more likely to do. HOWEVER, after getting the proc, like, 3 times in 5 spells, I can safely assume that the more you use it, the more likely it is for the Whelp to spawn.

Kommentar von Jdodge1305

In my opinion, this trinket is trash, at least for a healer. I replaced the Primal Ritual Shell (Water) at ilvl 379 for a 395 Ruby Whelp Shell. I made sure that it was switched to healing and ran a dungeon. Comparing the two from runs, the Primal Ritual Shell healed in a 14 SBG (24:58 time) proccing 42 times for 3.4M (including 940k over), while the Ruby Whelp Shell in a 12 CoS (25:19 time) only procced 8 times for about 800k (including 670k over).. Combined with it's damage of 162k total for the run, again absolutely NOT worth it for a healer. I'd rather lose the miniscule damage and full ilvl, than lose 2.5M healing over the course of a run. If this trinket is supposed to be viable, it needs some serious buffs!

Kommentar von Kurtosis

How to train your Ruby Whelp: https://www.wowhead.com/news/how-to-train-your-ruby-whelp-shell-very-high-damage-or-stat-trinket-330947

Kommentar von AIVD

My findings up until now indicate the following:

Target a friendly player/NPC and have 2 or fewer friendly players/NPCs in a 6 yard radius around the target > ST Heal
Target a friendly player/NPC and have 3 or more friendly players/NPCs in a 6 yard radius around the target > AoE Heal
Target a neutral/hostile and have 2 or fewer neutral/hostile units in a 6 yard radius around the target > ST Damage
Target a neutral/hostile and have 3 or more neutral/hostile in a 6 yard radius around the target > AoE Damage
Target yourself and have 2 or fewer friendly units (players, NPCs or pets, not cross-faction) in a 6 yard radius around yourself > Crit
Target yourself and have 3 or more friendly units (players, NPCs or pets, not cross-faction) in a 6 yard radius around yourself > Haste

WIth help of the Bear Troupe discord.

Kommentar von electronbluetwo

I got a 296 ilvl version of this from a quest. It's supposed to be 80 STR over Queensguard's Vigil but it only bumps me 8 str when I equip it.

Kommentar von phoenixsoap

Iz's Ruby Whelpling flies upward with a look of determination.
For the Under Red Wings proc

I'm able to get this reliably in the Valdrakken Inn by using it on the lower mote in the fireplace as described BUT the motes dart around. So it only works if you stand in between Erugosa and let both motes get close to you before you activate the shell

EDIT: I have found that going to the healing target dummies in Gladiator's Refuge is more reliable. And I have found no need to target myself, summon my pet, heal myself, etc. I've had a 100% success rate just standing amongst them targeting nothing

Kommentar von Pacounet

Is there a way to sim all the fully trained version?

Kommentar von krucufy

so, i did a mythic and the shell dropped but i was already wearing one. could not trade it with other in group and it reset to 1 day cool down. one in my bag and also one i was wearing

Kommentar von Jmgrainger

i currently have 4 points in the haste buff and 1 in the crit buff. When healing myself and the friendly target dummies in the pvp area, i noticed my haste buff sometimes procced on the dummies.

Im not sure if the crit buff does this or not, but the language of the buff seems to possbily indicate crit applies to you only and that the haste buff may be able to hit allies instead of you.

For example, the haste buff , whether on me or the dummy, said "shlamorel's whelping blah blah blah"
The crit buff on me simply said "the dragon blah blah blah"

Also im not sure if this is intended or not. But given that the haste buff is trianed with many allies around, and the crit one is trained alone/with few allies around, i think it's possibly intended.

Kommentar von Oakie

Any way to get this after you've deleted it? I thought it was completely worthless...

Kommentar von tarheels1979

The "Under Red Wings" will also train while standing in Emberflow in the Waking Shores. Just happened to me.

Kommentar von Mexvt

Has something happened with the Ruby Whelp Shell Trinket? It feels like it got nerfed or something since it rarely procs anything for me. I've got one on 2 characters and trained my whelpling for AOE on my prot warrior and it almost never procs. Now I'm trying to use my evoker to work on a single training dummy for raid boss rotation practice, and even though I trained it to proc single target it doesn't seem to do anything.

Didn't know if I missed a patch note or something.

Kommentar von leguis

Hey! Just wanted to know if training him in more than one thing is gonna interfere with the number of procs of the other skills. ty

Kommentar von asraelCT

Just ran 7 mythic dungeons of different levels as a resto druid. Not a single proc from this thing. Its trained to Level 6 AOE heals. Either its not showing up on my meter or its just flat out to procing--no way for me to tell, but never once saw its AOE heal. Time to replace the stupid thing.

Kommentar von Mellowbrain

Ruby whelp ilvl 398 6/6 in lobbing fre nova.

Two runs:
19 sbg 30min:
Fire Shot - ST damage x1
Lobbing Fire Nova - aoe damage x17
Curing Whiff - ST heal x2
Mending Breath - Aoe heal x3
Sleepy Ruby Warmth - secondaries peoc 12s x4
Under Red Wings - secondary proc 12s. x1
Total casts 28. ~1ppm. 65% aoe damage casts.

Different runt AV 16 30min:
Fire Shot - ST damage x1
Lobbing Fire Nova - aoe damage x12
Curing Whiff - ST heal x2
Mending Breath - Aoe heal x3
Sleepy Ruby Warmth - secondaries peoc 12s x1
Under Red Wings - secondary proc 12s. x2
Total casts 21. 0.7ppm. 57% aoe damage casts.

Need more testing and more runs, but from these two it looks like you start with 4 out 10 possible uses. The first for will proc randomly 0.4 times as much as a fully trained whelp. Meaning at best you'll get an average of 60% of the casts you actually want with a fully trained dragon.

There are posts pointing towards your whelp will casting 90% of the ability you trained it lt in(although very low and short time frame was used for that) But to me that doesn't seem to be the case.

Kommentar von LelketlenHentes

SBG 8 with demonology warlock, 3-3 single target and aoe trained whelp (ilevel 389 for trinket, 392 overall) procced 5 times and did 60k single target and 116k aoe damage. In 16 mins. 0.67% of my total damage. Piece of garbage imo.

Update: Halls of valor 9 > 870k damage, 1.7% overall, 22 hits, 570dps. Still poor performance

Kommentar von ZeThO91

The trinket is a bit frustrating, the dragon that spawns when it proccs, have a tendency to ninjapull, it have happened several times on not so ideal times. So if someone in your group is running this trinket, and you have had some ninjapulls you cant explain, this might be the culprit.

Kommentar von hawkengrey

I just ran a few mythic+ dungeons. As a resto healer, the AoE "Mending Breath" seems to make up about 1.5% of my total healing for the run. Tough to quantify how that compares to other trinket options but for now it's a keeper.

Kommentar von Nakhem

Hi All !
I have the Trinket on 392 ilvl and i looted another 418 ilvl on Weekly Vault.
It's necesary to training again?
Thx!

Kommentar von dillybar

396 BM Hunter. 389 Ruby Whelp Shell

I trained "Under Red Wings" all the way to 6, using all the training sessions to get the haste buff.

To do so I used the healing dummies in the Gladiator area in Valdrakken, stood in the midst of them, with my pet out, targeted myself, then clicked the trinket to train.

I tried the trinket all week long at leach level of training, 1 through 6, on proc it would deliver 2707 haste for 12 seconds. That is significant.

Problem is: It does not proc enough.

I kept thinking perhaps it needed to be all the way trained up to 6 to proc more?

And no, that didn't help either. Upon the final 6th training session, I decided to do some dedicated simming on the training dummies.

I do a lot of 2 minute sims. Yes boss fights are longer, but in mythic plus your longest trash pulls aren't even 2 minutes long. Same with raid trash. So it's just as important to have a shorter determination as to what gear works best, especially trinkets.

On multiple 2 minute sims, the best I could do, both trying the AOE and single raid dummies, was 1 proc per two minutes.

Worse yet, on 1 out of 3 of those sims, it didn't proc.

2707 haste for 12 seconds at best once every two minutes. That means the trinket was up for 10% of the time. An overly simplified way of looking at that means it is 271 haste per second if spread out over the entire 2 minute pull.

To put that into perspective, a level 376 Pfeilspitze der Shikaarjägerin averages being up 45% of the time, giving out 862 mastery on high level targets. That works out to 388 mastery per second over the two minute pull.

The reason I say "over simplified" is that a simple "per second" spread out comparison does not take into account:
- multiple pulls on trash
- boss mechanics that require dropping aggro on the boss for whatever reason
- matching up with your best ability cooldowns
- or a host of other more complicated scenarios that can occur.

When you take those into account, such a limited number of procs is even worse. You want to have the maximum uptime of usable stats, and this simply does not provide it.

I'm not going to go all out and call this a garbage trinket, because maybe there is more to be explored. Maybe having 2 points in 3 different areas is the better path to having more procs? Remains to be seen.

Kommentar von iamjake1112

"Fire Shot (ST): Any other hostile NPC"

If the mob is too low level, you get the crit buff instead.

Kommentar von Dontlookdown

https://www.wowhead.com/news/how-to-train-your-ruby-whelp-shell-very-high-damage-or-stat-trinket-330947#comments

All info on the trinket is listed here. I don't know why this news article isn't linked to the trinket. It was kinda hard to find.

Kommentar von Unaffiliated

Everybody asks how to train your whelp, but no one asks why you train your whelp?
Basically, an untrained whelp uses a variety of 6 different abilities, which may or may not be useful (and on average is far less useful than a trained one). It has single target and aoe versions of fire damage, or healing, or it can buff you with a decent amount of Crit or Haste. By teaching your whelp how you want it to behave, you give a significantly higher chance of it using this type of ability. Once fully trained, the Whelp uses this ability almost exclusively and the trinket starts to sim pretty well for a lot of classes/specs, while being one of the easiest trinkets to get hold of and upgrade with valor.

How to train the whelp:
You have 6 total 'skill points' and can train 1 at a time on a daily cooldown. Once you've spent 6 (over 6 days) it will then proceed as a first on, last off system. This means it's probably best to check sims or bloodmallet before you start, so you know which whelp ability is more useful for your spec.
Target yourself for the buffs, target an enemy for the damage abilities, or target a healable target for the heals.
Your target needs to be stood alone for the Single Target versions (or Crit buff); or stacked with other friends/foes for the AoE version (or Haste buff). Target dummies in Valdrakken are ideal for this, as there are some grouped ones you can target or stand in.

For quick reference on the fly (ha!), I updated the macro below to include a note about which buff is which, and to show off a little dragon icon:

/run print("For buffs: Crit(Sleepy)=alone, Haste(Wings)=stacked\n",CreateSimpleTextureMarkup("\t4572404\t",27, 27)..' Ruby Whelp Training:\n') for i=2148,2153,1 do V=C_CurrencyInfo.GetCurrencyInfo(i); print(V.name.." skill:",tostring(V.quantity).."/6")end

Kommentar von l2p4

dummy result: 1ST / 5 Haste buff training 398ilvl 4 minute fight 10-12% (2-3 procs) haste proc uptime, 0-1 damage procs. So wasting 1 haste proc to useless damage procs in 4 minute not cool at all

Kommentar von Goldfinch49

Despite all the information around this on wowhead and given the new training information, even in my guild there is a lot of discussion around how good this trinket actually is.

I'm not sure how much ilvl matters, but gear/trinket sims are very important with this one. I have a destro warlock in guild who has simmed it several times and has found that his uptime is less than 3%, but I'm not sure how much he had trained it or what stats he's trained it on.

I have mine fully trained for Havoc DH with Sleepy Ruby Warmth (crit proc) at upgrade level 11/13 Mythic (400+ ilvl) and on all of my recent sims I'm at anywhere from 14-20% uptime. It gives me a very high amount of extra crit when it procs and I am already at 37% crit with my other base gear. During keys I feel like I see it proc very often as I'm the only one in my groups running this trinket mostly due to bad luck on not getting any other A- or S-tier trinkets as drops.

With this season being so heavily focused on movement, my previous trinket (despite being A-tier for Havoc) had too high a chance at killing me since its "on use" ability would essentially root me for 10s and I heavily prefer what I feel like is a good uptime for a crit boost. Upon tinkering with my talent tree and running Ruby Whelp Shell I've seen anywhere from 10k-15k average DPS extra on small pulls / single target and even more on AoE.

tl;dr I enjoy this trinket. It won't work for everyone, but I've seen some definite positives in my time of running it until I get something better.

Kommentar von Valengeta

so is it worth to train all modes or will the whelp confuse itself and do a fire shot when I need it to do the Haste buff? I have this on my shaman and the Haste buff is what I'm most after, but if the whelp can use the other damage abilities in a "smart way" I would like to invest in those as well. If not, I will just train the Haste buff, but I want to be sure

Kommentar von Razorgrace

A warning: if you have this trinket equipped check your macros if they activate it (/use 13 or something like that). I have trained my trinket to be 6/6 crit, but forgot to remove activation statement, and now I have AoE 6/6 without even noticing it... Have to re-train it again now.

Kommentar von elfomal

Hello guys! I'm posting the script to check the current level of your whelpling, since i always need to reenter the whelp guide to copy it!

/run for i=2148,2153,1 do V=C_CurrencyInfo.GetCurrencyInfo(i); print(V.name.." - discovered:",tostring(V.discovered)..", quantity:",tostring(V.quantity)) end

Kommentar von fabiodps

Does the fireball proc has a haste modifier?
So far i got 2 procs over 5minutes each one hitting for 107k

Kommentar von Ehayen

> 1 day cooldown

Nope, vendor garbage.

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