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Kommentar von tmptfate

This is the Cataclysm version of Icy Prisim.

Contains rare type gems mostly.

Kommentar von afflok

Because this has a much higher relative cost than the Icy Prism (3 of each color of rare gem, rather than 1 each of 3 colors of uncommon gem + frozen orb), I would expect it has a much higher rate of return as well. Icy Prisms now usually give 2-3 rare gems plus a chance at an epic gem or a Dragon's Eye. My guess is that the Fire Prisms will give a handful of Cata epic gems and a chance at a Chimera's Eye, but we'll need more than 12 opens (at time of post) to get a good average.

edit: Material cost is now 3 of each color uncommon gem, and it contains a few rares and maybe a JC gem.

Kommentar von chrismcv

First time this yielded two blue gems, second time I received , and dun dun dun the famous JC only gem .

In short, this is very much worth doing every 20 hours :)

Kommentar von 725082

Except that you can get 6 rare gems with the same mats, some herbs, and no CD from alchemists, with a chance of Master Transmuter procs. :(

They didn't think these mats through.

The chance at a Chimera's Eye is the only reason to do this.

Kommentar von 160838

hmm a total of 18 uncommon gems for 1-3 rare gems. Or 3 uncommon gems and 3 herbs for a guarenteed rare gem of your chosing and possibly a mastery proc.

A chance for a Chimera's Eye is where those extra 10+ gems are going. When i remember WotLK that once you got your JCing on the flow it was never a problem getting those.

I expect that this recipe will have the cost greatly reduced.

Kommentar von 178783

This will mostly depend on realm economy, but in my opinion this is a pure waste of gems/money.
On our realm, uncommon gems costs 70-110g ... all of them.
Because :

you need them to pass to level 475 to get daily quests
you need them for daily quest (damn those stupid "perfect" gems which does not count as a gem you have to turn in
you need them for alchemy leveling

Those three reasons making them insanely expensive(may be there is another reason or two).

In my case it's 3 x 6 x (70,110) = (1260, 1980)g for 1-2 gems in this prism, making gem with alchemy for lets say 200-300g or buy one rare gem for 30 - 80g at AH. Hell this is not worth it, even if there were 10 rare gems inside.

Of course this will be cheaper in couple months, but right now, it seems that Blizzard over-calculated something somewhere.

Kommentar von swordstrike

You can buy the non-perfect gems on AH and sell the perfect ones since cutting them counts even if the gem itself doesnt.

As far as the fire prism goes... until gem prices level out i'd say it isnt worth it unless your purely going for the skill point and the blue gems for higher level cuts and whatnot. If it gave a chance at an epic gem then it would be worth it.

Kommentar von Turicus

The design of Jewelcrafting is absolutely retarded. Did the intern do this on his own?

You need all your purple uncommon gems to skill up towards 500, all other colours are useless. Rare gems are nearly worthless too atm. They sell for 2 to 3 times less than uncommon ones on my server. Also, buying raw materials for 130g to sell the cut gem for 13 is stupid. I'm sure it will settle down a bit, but the design where you need one colour out of 6 for everything (Nightstone) and the others are useless is just a complete failure.

You need Nightstones for skilling up, for the transmute and then for one of the JC dailies too!

On my server, making the Fire Prism is about a 1400g loss. Thanks to epic gems not being implemented yet. And you can't even save the Prisms until after the patch that introduces epic gems, because they're unique.

Now I have several stacks of all the uncommon stones except Nightstone and nothing to do with them because the Prism is incomplete/a massive loss, cutting the uncommon gems is also a massive loss and doesn't give any skillpoints anyway. And saving them for transmutes is also a bad option because I lack the Nightstones anyway...

And don't get me startet on the fact that you have to do the daily quest every day for around 10 months straight to get all the recipes. By which time most of them will be obsolete. And at massive cost on top of it.

Megafail, Blizz...

Kommentar von Souliepiekin

the data on when this goes green is incorrect.

it is orange when you learn it and has not turned green yet at 516.

I'm strictly using this for points, it's quite a loss.

Kommentar von 189205

Considering the very low probability that this will drop a Chimera's Eye, and if it's anything like the Icy Prism and only drops an average 3 blue gems, I'd strongly suggest you find an Alchemy Transmutation Master to Transmute the 3 green gems for you and hope it procs. Transmutation from Green to Blue no longer has any cooldown and only requires an additional few herbs. That way you know for sure you have 100% chance to get at least 1 blue of your choice and possibly a proc of more.

Doing 5xInferno Ruby Transmutes game me a return of 15 Inferno Rubies (one proc'd 5). While that is extremely lucky, again I state, a tleast you know 100% you'll get the Blue gem you desire.

Kommentar von 742803

I was trying to save these for the epic gems, just as I'm saving my Pyrite Ore.

The Fire Prism cannot be held in bank or something, you can only have 1 in your total inventory at all times! Tough luck

Kommentar von rivellangel

The only place this is mentioned on this page is as part of a down-rated comment:

There is a 20 hour CD on making this, it seems to be a true 20 hours (unlike Icy Prism which resets at midnight).

Kommentar von Mitrian

I agree that the Fire Prism is not at all worth crafting with current market conditions. However, using it as an example of how Jewelcrafting is somehow broken or flawed is pretty short sighted. I feel like I'm printing money with this profession, as everyone is gearing up for raids and needing gems for their gear. Not to mention, the Carnelian Spikes are easy money too, for the Greater Celestial Essences, assuming you can't find buyers (which you should be able to if you're patient).

Also, those who feel like they have to use Nightstone or Hessonite to level up, you're not thinking things through. I have three JCers, and all three I leveled up (to 475) for a profit, by using only Alicite and Carnelian Spikes. On my server, Alicite, Jasper, and Zephyrite are generally all available around 10g each on the AH, and often some at 9g. People seem to think that as soon as an item turns yellow, it's not a good pattern to use for leveling. Well, when you can sell the cut gem for 9g, and you're buying them at 10g each, the cost of leveling, at worst, is 1g. Except, the perfect gems sell decently on the AH, so there's your profit. And once you're able to do the daily, save up for a couple token cuts, and start selling the rares. Be smart about which ones you select, and you can make a good profit here as well, as you level to 500 and beyond.

And by the way, only a very, very small percentage of Jewelcrafters obtain every cut. It makes very little sense, as many of the cuts simply have no real value. Personally, I love the fact that we have a daily, since it adds value to our cuts, which in the long run, makes it more profitable.

Finally, as a Jewelcrafter, it's not Blizzard's design (to use your words) that you should have to buy your gems off the Auction House. That's why they gave us Prospecting. And if the cost of gems on the Auction House is too high, as you indicated on your server, then you can most likely profit by Prospecting and selling the gems directly.

TL;DR - If you really feel Jewelcrafting is flawed, then you're doing it wrong. Compared to most other crafting professions, this is one of the cheapest (and most profitable) to level up.

Kommentar von 555651

The cost of making this is 3 uncommon gems of each color, 18 gems total. Vendor price for each gem is 5g, meaning the value of the contents of the prism must exceed 90g to cover what you could have gotten for just vendoring the gems instead.

However, since you are a Jewelcrafter and the world is at your feet, you can transform those gems into a cut of your choosing and bring the vendor price per gem up to 9g. This means that the vendor price the contents of the prism has to beat is a staggering 162g. That is pretty close to what a cut rare quality gem sells for on my server on average, meaning you have to gain more than one rare gem per prism to profit.

This is without taking into consideration that you can sell the uncommon gems on the Auction House for more than the vendor pays on most servers. With WoWhead showing a 9% chance of getting a Chimera's Eye, I'd say you were better off playing the lottery than making Fire Prisms for profit.

Kommentar von 751290

So this Is just like the icy prism but Instead of requiring 3 uncommon gems and something equivalent to a frozen orb It requires 3 of every uncommon gem.

As It stands on my server I could make more by selling the gems separate unless I got a chimera's eye + other rare gems.

The price of gems on my server has gone waaay down and If It was anything like last week I wouldn't dream of crafting this no matter the price of chimera's eye.

Kommentar von winzhi

I can't see why you would not craft this. Once you get to 525 most of the gems you will be using will be a "lower" tier and will you get a chance at an eye and blue gems.

Defiantly worth doing this every 24hr!

Kommentar von Celia

It is worth mentioning that containers like these don't generate their contents until the time they are opened. I saved some icy prisms during wrath and didn't open them until epic gems came out, and I got a handful of them that day. Just remember you can't look inside until after patch 4.1 or whenever epic gems are added.

Kommentar von Kastoli

These are certainly going to be worth making once server economy gets going again, currently I can pick up uncut uncommon gems for just over the return for vendoring them; 6 to 9 gold each. (Costing on average 110 to 150 gold per craft.)

Cut uncommon gems are selling for between 20 and 40 gold based upon stat, and perfect cut uncommon gems 40 to 70, based upon stat. (Same quantity of gems, netting an approximate 600 gold profit.)

Uncut rare gems of uncommonly used colours are ranging in price from 40 - 60 gold, and commonly used colours from 80 to 120 gold. Cut versions are of a vastly similar price, with only a 5 and 10 gold increase in price here and there.

Though it is still not really profitable to actually craft Fire Prisms unless you get Chimera's Eyes, when epic qualitiy gems can be yielded, or in times of low rare supply, (New raid content released, before epics gems) these may indeed become craftable at a higher profit.

Kommentar von aggression

Done about 20 so far and on those I have got like 15 of each, and only 3 Inferno Ruby lol. :) RNG ftw.

Kommentar von hispanoloco

No profit from this yet, just to good to level. But if you have an alchemist friend, just have them transmute these mats for this into the mata gem. You will have to buy a mata gem recipe, they turn green at 520. I just have the tanking mata and I sell it for 150 gold on my server.

Kommentar von TheSpanishInq

If you use Auctioneer, then this macro will tell you how much it is costing you to cut that Fire Crystal at the current market value for the 18 component gems;

/run local v=AucAdvanced.API.GetMarketValue;print("Components - "..((v(52177)+v(52178)+v(52179)+v(52180)+v(52181)+v(52182))*3/10000).."g")

I will work on a macro for the value of the gems you get out when I can find some reliable information on the number ond types of gems that are droping, but I expect that will take some time to collate.

Kommentar von sdzero

Two of my guildies and I have been making these everyday and we've all noticed something. Every time we make this there is always at least one Amberjewel in our contents. Has anyone else noticed this too?

Kommentar von 151357

I don't see why this didn't have the requirement of a Nightstone, a Zephyrite, a Jasper, and a Chaos Orb, which would repeat the pattern of WotLK. It would have made Chaos Orbs useful for every crafting profession other than Inscription in addition to allowing JCers the option of accessing blue gems more easily (without having to find an alchemist willing to transmute their gems).

Kommentar von parazyte

I get tons of green gems every week and I dont have DE (so no need to craft jewellery) and I dont have Alchemy (so no transmutes). So instead of cutting and vendoring all green gems that cant be sold I think this is a great, relatively cheap daily option since the virtual cost of it is 3 * 6 * 9 = 162g if I vendor trashed them instead. It should be noted that the total amount of blue gems that can be expected on average is 0,38*6 = 2,28 i e 2-3 gems on average with higher likelihood of 2 over 3.

So, the expected relative value of a Fire Prism can be calculated by
0,38*<Average Cost of Blue Gems on Your Server>*6+0,10*<Average Cost of Chimera's Eye on Your Server> which on my server would render about 60g of raw, uncut gems. So, this is a 100g loss right? Well...

...Cutting and selling the gems for about <your guess here> each per gem, let's say 50g: That would give the prism an expected value of about 2,28*50+0,1*<Average Cost of Chimera's Eye> i e maybe 130-140g. So you get most money back in the long run, it only costs you 20-30g to gamble in the long run with these late 4.0.6 green gem prices.

Script to get the expected market value of raw uncut gems inside a fire prism on your server (requires auctioneer and reliable AH data):
/run local v=AucAdvanced.API.GetMarketValue;print("Fire Prism expected value- "..((0,38*(v(52194)+v(52192)+v(52193)+v(52190)+v(52191)+v(52195))+0,1*v(52196))/10000).."g")

Script to get the expected market value cost of creating the Fire Prism (requires auctioneer and reliable AH data):
/run local v=AucAdvanced.API.GetMarketValue;print("Components - "..((v(52177)+v(52178)+v(52179)+v(52180)+v(52181)+v(52182))*3/10000).."g")

Disclaimer: The calculation have server specific values, so if you used your own values you might find it isnt as cheap as it is on my server but that still means it might have helped you decide if this is bad or not, or at least it gives you heads up that it will be quite good later in the game.

Disclaimer II: The calculations assumes you dont always get 2xAmberjewels ;-D

Disclaimer III: The script is the LAZY persons way of doing it. Research the values for yourself, dont trust Auctioneer data especially if prices are dropping dramatically every day.

Kommentar von Macree

Does anybody know if you craft these now, but open them after epic gems are added in 4.1 or 4.2, do you get gems based on when it was crafted, or when it was used?

Kommentar von Psylinus

These are usually not worth doing. The green gems are worth about 160~g when cut and vendored. And i honestly doubt the 3 random blue gems will outweigh that.

Kommentar von electronicoffee

This is bull&*!@. WoW specifically said any icy prisms made before the epic gems were released in the final major LK patch would NOT (I repeat) would NOT proc epic gems due to being made in advance. The items ARE generated beforehand and this is so WoW ensures people don't do exactly what this person is claiming to do (hoard up gem caches and then proc them all with epics in a later patch and flood the market with high prices).

Kommentar von 167701

You have to be careful with a blanket statement as to when drops are generated.

Even if some container drops are now generated on container creation, it may not be true in all cases, and was not always true. It used to be a common ploy to mail a container back and forth between toons, checking the contents each trip, until the desired drop was present. Blizz had to make a fix to prevent the above, and that fix may or may not apply in a case such as this, they do make mistakes.

tl;dr: It's a shot in the dark as to if you're stockpiled prisms will be able to drop epic gems after they are added.

Kommentar von 735077

No. It resets at Midnight.

Kommentar von 897966

Just counted that if i buy mats from AH it costs ~140g to make one.
All green gems go for about 10g a piece except for inferno ruby that goes for 80-90g. And eyes for 240g
So i'm not quite sure if it's worth making these on my server even if the ecconomy is better than most other servers.

Kommentar von Metodi

Has anyone opened one of these since 4.3 dropped? Found any epic gems inside?
UPDATE: Opened two myself, no epic gems :(

Kommentar von unrealized

Currently in 4.3 it seems there's no Epic gem drop chance.

I have stashed several dozens of these and decided to open a few after the patch hit. After opening 18 of them there wasn't any epic gem to lay eyes upon, I've restrained myself from opening more since Blizzard might still patch in a minor drop rate in a follow up minor patch, but a sample of 18 seems reasonable to assume no drop rate was added for the new gems into a Fire Prism.

Kommentar von cevaps

Waste of money. 15 days and still no Schimärenauge, i've wasted more than what 3x Schimärenauge worths on mats.

Kommentar von 1030887

What are prisms actually used for?

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