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Kommentar von alpha5099

Not necessarily. There are six separate recipes for Dreamcloth currently listed, each one corresponding to one of our new motes: Volatile Water, Volatile Air, etc. Each of the six recipes say "This Dreamcloth recipe can only be created once a week." It seems unlikely that the six recipes share a week-long cooldown, so assuming you have access to all the Dreamcloth recipes you should be able to make one Illusionary Bag a week with one piece left over.

Now, how one gets the individual recipes is another matter. I expect them to be attached to the different reps, so it may be a while before you can actually produce six Dreamcloth a week.

Kommentar von Furystorm

Is there any ultimate bag like portable hole?

Kommentar von LoKHor

This is wrong. There are five viable Dreamcloth recipes, and they do not share a cooldown. You can create five per week if you have all five recipes (though getting the recipes will require a fair amount of rep grinding, no doubt). Which means that at eight Dreamcloth, this bag will take two weeks to create. At one per fortnight, in the early days of Cataclysm, these bags will cost a great deal of gold. Good luck supplying whatever demand there is on your server!

Kommentar von 162811

If by great deal of gold you mean, no more than 3000g, then yes.

Kommentar von 130626

Tailors, don't expect to sell this for more than 3k gold (unless you get lucky and find a buyer who is both rich and dumb), since there is a functionally identical bag available from Haris Pilton for that price.

Since BC, the pattern seems to be:

1) Late in one expansion, Haris Pilton starts selling a bag that is 2 slots higher than any other currently available

2) In the following expansion, bags with this new capacity show up as drops and/or tailoring recipes

BC (vendor) > WotLK (crafted)
WotLK (vendor) > Cataclysm (crafted)

EDIT: This bag was upgraded from 24 slots to 26 slots in 4.0.6, so the above is not all accurate.

Kommentar von WorgenPriest

In your Face Haris Pilton!

Kommentar von 461735

There are SIX dreamcloth recipes - 1) Dream of Azshara, 2) Dream of Deepholm, 3) Dream of Destruction, 4) Dream of Hyjay, 5) Dream of Ragnaros, and 6) Dream of Skywall.

Kommentar von AFitz

Fun facts:

Creating this bag will take 320 Glutseidenstoff (16 stacks)

It will also take 240 pieces of any, or all, of the following

or 32 pieces of

Chaoskugel

Also the shortest amount of time before single bag can be made is 2 sad lonely weeks. Since as of this message Traumstoffis BoP

edit: The Chaoskugel recipe has no cooldown, so technically Traumstoff can be made in however long it takes you to run 5 heroics (and win the orb roll)(##RESPBREAK##)12##DELIM##Sas148##DELIM##

Kommentar von 731163

Although there may be some novelty to buying some of the first Illusionary Bags (*adding Illusionary to dictionary*:), it will provide the 24-slot bag for less than 3k to be competitive against Haris Pilton's unlimited holes, which are epic instead of rare, and provide an achieve.

Kommentar von Enthorn

Dream of Destruction has no cooldown, so one could hypothetically farm heroics on random and receive enough chaos orbs to make enough Dreamcloth to both buy the pattern for the bag and make the bag, or several bags, in as short of time as running heroics takes. Only Dreamcloth created using volatiles have a cooldown.

Concerning the cost that others have pointed out... current prices on volatiles on my realm average about 20 for Earth, 25 for Fire, 35 for Air, 10 for Water, and 8 for Life. That's an average of 19.6 gold. Cloth sells between 7 and 8 gold each. That's about 2400 gold there for the cloth and 4704 for the volatiles, bringing the total price to 7104 gold. Hypothetically, however:

If volatiles suddenly dropped in price, let's say life were to sell for 3 gold, water for 5, earth for 10, fire for 15, and 20 for air, the average would then be 10.6, bringing the price down to 2544. To then break even on 3k, cloth would have to drop in price down to 1.425 gold each (456 gold for 320 cloth).

Let's say though that you wanted to only use Volatile Life currently, because it's the cheapest, and you find someone willing to sell 240 Volatile Life for 6.5 gold each because you're buying in bulk. This would take you 8 weeks to make all the dreamcloth for 1 bag, but you would then only spend 1560 on the volatiles, giving you a nice cushion of 1440 gold for the cloth. Then you would only have to find someone willing to sell you cloth for 4.5 gold each. Alternatively, you could farm cloth (some people have reported 400-600 cloth per hour using Potion of Treasure Finding in Deepholm), so long as you were willing to sacrifice the opportunity cost of selling the cloth instead (IE, if you could sell the 320 cloth at 7 gold each, you would be losing 2.5 gold per cloth, as 4.5 was the max you were willing to pay, thus costing you 800 gold).

Alternatively, if cloth prices plummeted to, let's say, 3 gold each, then 320 cloth would cost 960 gold. This would give room for 2040 gold to be spent on volatiles. To break even at 3k, you'd have to buy 240 volatiles at an average price of 8.5 gold.

Kommentar von 763382

Patch 4.0.6 will change this bag to 26 slots, better get crafting!

Kommentar von 772057

Takes 8 Dreamcloth to craft.

Recipe can be purchased in Twilight Highlands from the Cloth trader for 1 Dreamcloth.

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Kommentar von 714897

As of patch 4.0.6(Releasing February 9th) the Illusionary Bag will go from 24 to 26 slots.

Tailoring

Illusionary Bag now has 26 slots.

Kommentar von Deathbang

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsive_hoarding

If these weren't so expensive, I'd have bought a bunch. Not going to even bother denying I have a problem, but I will say that for those of us with hoarding problems, a cheaper 26 slot (or even 24 slot) would be nice.

Kommentar von thesandman87

well cost me about 100k but my bag slots both on my toon and on my bank are full of these babies. No more need for the tiny 24 slotters

Kommentar von 750691

As of this date (5/14/2011), Patch 4.1.0a Haris Pilton offers the following bags:
"Gigantique" Bag - 22 Slots - 1200G
Portable Hole - 24 Slots - 3000G

Kommentar von 697659

Actually, if anyone is curious, Blizzard has implied that they aren't intending to increase bag sizes any further.

From Ask the Devs #3:

We think bags are about as big as we can make them. Imagine if you got rid of all of the folders or directories on your computer and just stuffed everything into one big directory. That feels like the direction we’ll head if we keep down the path we’re on. Instead, we think a better solution is to make it easier to find what you’re looking for and provide alternative storage for things you don’t use often.

With that said, Illusionary Bags might be a wise investment. I suppose you could be careful and wait until patch 4.3, though.

Kommentar von 843719

i have 4 of them :)

Kommentar von 830720

I own five storage (yet playable) characters with 7 bank slots each, and a single-man guild (only members are the alts) with 6 bank tabs, yet i find myself striving for space, so yeah a large backpack for a reasonable price would be nice

Also note that mine would rarely qualify as hoarding, 95% of the stuff on my guildbank are all sorts of crafting materials including (but not limited to) loads of saronite, titanium, etc. bars, all sorts of enchanting dusts and shards, herbs to mill for every glyph known by the man (and three known only by dolphins) or to make alchemist pots, etc.

Yeah some of us are like squirrels saving anything we get for the winter, but i can tell you, saving stuff for the winter pays off when your server goes thru a starvation of a certain item! you can make three or four times what you paid for something if you sell it when there's no competitors, that's where the extra storage space pays itself off

Kommentar von Genoso

a man once told me possessions are merely illusions.... well now i have an illusionary bag for them too....

Kommentar von Trilok

It's IMBA: You need 8 (!) dreamcloth to make an Illusionary Bag.
Portable Hole bag are 24 slot and cost only 2700. Listprice on my server (Earthen Ring) for an Illusionary Bag is around 4500-5000, but I don't know how they actually sell at his price level. I tried to sell one without success, so I decided to keep the bag for myself.

So it's IMBA because:
The quantity of dreamcloth needed to produce one Illusionary Bag compared to pricing of Portable Hole.
For 8 dreamcloth's it ought to be atleast a 32 slot bag. If not, then 28 slots for max. 6 dreamcloths would be reasonable.

Kommentar von 634790

Sorry to be a complete nitpicker, but for the record: The minimum time to create this bag without using the chaos orb recipe is a few seconds over 1 week.
Example: On Monday you create 5 pieces of cloth, the next Monday the other 3 and you can create the bag.

I made a mistake in my above comment. The above is only for people creating one bag and maybe another some time later. For people creating multiple bags, it is ofcourse a bit different.
If you can make 5 cloth each cooldown, only the first bag will be created in one week.

week -> number of dreamcloth
0 -> 5
1 -> 10 - 8 for bag one = 2
2 -> 7
3 ->12 - 8 for bag two = 4
4 -> 9 - 8 for bag three = 1
5 -> 6
6 -> 11 - 8 for bag four = 3
7 -> 8 - 8 for bag five = 0

Then you need to wait a week and the cycle starts again. So, for the first 5 bags you need 7 weeks (a bit under a week and a half per bag), then 8 weeks for each 5 bags afterwards (a bit over a week and a half per bag).

This is still without the chaos orbs! As stated, you can probably do this a lot quicker by farming chaos orbs. However, since chaos orbs are bop and drop in heroics, your tailor needs to be level 85 to farm these.

Kommentar von drummersauce

Running for about 5.5k on Kil'Jaeden Alliance...

Kommentar von 747720

Are there any 28 slot generic item bags due? While I'm a little ocd, I also think that bags where the slots don't divide by 4 (6,10,14, 18, 22, 26) are a waste of ui space. I can appreciate that people want lots of bag space - I know I do - but the extra 2 for such a big difference in gold and the resulting wasted UI space I mentioned put me off buying these.

Maybe it's just me?

Kommentar von Siigari

The going rate on my server (Emerald Dream) is roughly 4.2k for a bag. It's about 2500g for all 8 dreamcloth (going off average price from AH) and then markup.

I just captured my fourth bag today for COST on AH, and was pleased as punch. So much so, that I bought another one on AH for 3k, and relisted it for 4.2k. It sold in four hours.

To the people out there who are really upset at the cost of the bag, have patience and with some diligence you will find your deal. Because they are a tailored item, prices fluctuate wildly, and a lot of the time tailors are willing to sell for cost or just above cost to liquidate their item. Just be patient and your deal will come.

Kommentar von Ciel

In 4.3 Chaos Orbs will become BoE, that should drive down the price on these bags substantially.

Kommentar von Dehir

ya i was stupid and bought this from ah but then got to shattrath city which had the Tragbares Loch and it was even cheaper(for 2.7k ) which is the price for my guild discounts etc :\

Kommentar von 17497

The bags themselves are selling for over 3200G on my server, but the material cost is slightly over 1800G, No cooldowns to worry with, so its almost half markup. (32 Chaos Orbs @50G each, 64 Embersilk Cloth @4.5G each) This makes any bag Pilton sells to be completely worthless on a cost per slot basis.

Kommentar von stephenrea

It's taken just over 4 months to craft enough Dreamcloth to make enough Illusionary Bags to fill all bank and toon slots for my main and now I can start selling them. :)

Kommentar von jaxsonbateman

I can't figure out if I should craft 11 of these or not for my main... on the one hand, it'd be a big upgrade from the 11 Gigantique Bags he's been carrying around since BC. On the other, lord knows that there'll be bigger bags in MoP which isn't too far off.

Kommentar von shotsing

I love big bags, but on my server sadly I feel like the only one so hard to sell big bags I have keep selling the 16 slots from TBC to make money from bags.....

Kommentar von 1016125

THe price for Ghostly Spellthread now is about one tenth of this bag, so where you spend your money to craft is just a choice of time, both not very lucrative anymore.

Kommentar von Barleduq

This is currently going for 2448 - 2599 (lowest bid to highest buyout, 4 bags, all different sellers) on my server. Wishing, so much wishing, for lower price. Came here to see if it was a reasonable price, and I can't quite tell, due to the age of some of the comments.

Kommentar von miksi9119

this bag si great!

Kommentar von 1013194

This bag is also going for about 2.5k on my realm. And i dont see the point in buying one when i can make three - 4, 22 slot embersilk bags from the same cloth it takes to make 1 of these and they sell for about 500g to 800g each on the ah . On top of that> the dust only go's for 100 honor each and you only need 15 dust and less then 4 stacks of embersilk cloth. The bag im talking about you can make all you want and theres no cooldown on the cloth and the dust is from a vendor :D.if you dont want to grind dungeons to get the cloth i would same go to the darkmoon faire and fish up the crates. i got more the 20 stacks an hour and alot of other good stuff

Kommentar von Drakeblade

4*Illusionary bags

32 Dream cloth
8 Bolt of Embersilk cloth
4 Chaos orbs

32*4=128 Chaos orbs
256 = botls of Embersilk cloth

Bolt of Embersilk cloth
1280 Embersilk Cloth

Me figuring out what to farm / Buy to get 4 bags without having to wait for CD's

So basicly if you get 1280 Embersilk cloth, got them made to 256 bolts of embersilk. And got 128 Chaos orbs, the tailer could make 32 Dream cloths, which would be enough for 4 illusionary bags.

Kommentar von mountainmiester

The Royal Satchel takes only 12 days to create (Imperial Silk Cooldown) and only needs Windwool Cloth. It's a 28 slot bag. Sort of makes this bag obsolete now.

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