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Kommentar von 18253

Using the level 85 rating conversion for haste from EJ forums, consuming a five-stack of Twilight Revelation results in:
5(363)/128.5701 = 14.1168 % haste
Almost as good as Icy Veins.

Considering an arcane mage with the new AB@4 stack resulting in a base cast-time of 1.95sec, with a hypothetical 20% haste (AB = 1.625sec cast time), consuming this proc results in an AB with a cast time of 1.45seconds. To get five more stacks at this cast time, it takes about 7.25 seconds. If there is no internal cooldown, this buff can be chained.

...Quite the powerful trinket. Veritably drool-worthy.

Kommentar von 261647

To offer an opposing viewpoint to the comments above, this Trinket feels very underpowered to me.

Most similar ilv trinkets provide 321 to a primary stat like int, as its passive bonus.

This provides 385 spellpower, which is very inferior to 321 int in my eyes, and requires stacking up rather then providing the full bonus from the get go with no risk of falling (or having to be reset to activate its second effect!)

The special effect is even worse. Even blue heroic trinkets seem to give 1700ish ratings as their clicks or procs, while this one only offers 1605 haste at full stacks - with the added drawback of consuming the passive stack. The stack can be built up again of course, but it guarantees at least a portion of your boosted time is spent with inferior spellpower.

Underwhelming compared to other options IMO. Neat concept, but no payoff for the trades it makes.

Kommentar von 11480

It should be noted that this trinket makes a ton of noise. You'll throw your hands up in the air, perform a fire like cast and it'll make a blowing up sound. Like every 2 seconds.

Every. 2. Seconds.

Kommentar von 344081

It will speak something

Kommentar von chakhal

Notes to fire mages:

The stacking effect is refreshed by:

Ignite
FB, FFB, Pyro, Scorch...
FFB dot (glyph)
Pyro dot
Combustion initial damage or dot
Living Bomb dot
Flame Strike and Flame Strike dot
Blast Wave
Dragon's Breath

The stacking effect is not refreshed by:

Flame Orb attacks or explosion

Kommentar von Archo24

For Fire Mage~

So with this trinket:_14% ,
Gear Haste of say 11%
Raid buffs: +5% spell haste
3/3 talent Netherwind Presence +3% spell haste
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= 33% Haste
+ 10% Haste from Pyromaniac, (As long as you can keep it up)
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=43% Spell Haste

+ Dark Intent? +3% Haste (+9% increase DOT dmg)

=46% Haste.

This would give +2 DOT ticks, which requires a haste of 37.5%, which would be easily attainable for 20 seconds. BL/Time warp aside

Still shy of 62.5% for a +3 ticks of DOTS, so add in TimeWarp for +30% haste and you get 76%.

To get to the 87.5% Haste for 4 additional ticks you'd need to stack you base gear haste upto 23%.

So then make a /castsequence macro to pop into T10 Gear+pop mirror Images for +18% Damage buff + Volcanic potion, then Back into T11 on equipment manager just before the pull, . Set a nuke sequence macro to activate on your scroll wheel for minimal interval spamming. Initial LB Scorch pyroblast, ->get 5 stack, release Heart and hit time warp. then reapply new 4tick version of LB, hotstreak, fire orb, Combustion, then Impact to multiply the effect to be carried by three whelps.

~~~BOOM you just one shot the entire whelp cage at about 100,000+ dps!~~~

So its a fun trinket if your a Pyromaniac loving fire mage AOE fanatic I guess. Not so sure this is functional though, would take some serious situational dependency and getting used to it for it to have real value. I casually pulled over 30k dps on three target dummies doing this. It would make for a strong gimmick on Whelps Cage for Halfus I suppose, let me know where else you think there could be value for this, its obviously takes some imagination to make the most of. I am presuming that DOT tick haste scaling steps out of the limitation of GCD factor at the 4 tick range.

__EJ regarding Fire Mage Haste:___

Your DoT spells get their first extra tick when you have an amount of haste that would theoretically grant you only half an extra tick. For every extra tick after the first, you need the additional amount of haste which would grant you an extra DoT tick. As an example, a DoT that ticks 5 times would in theory require an additive 1/5 = 20% haste for every extra tick.

For Fire Mages, Living Bomb and Pyroblast tick 4 times. That means they require 12.5%, 37.5%, 62.5% haste for a 2nd, 3rd, 4th tick. However, you'll have 5% haste from any caster hybrid, 3% haste from Netherwind Presence, thus you'll get your first extra tick at 516 haste (Goblins 384), your second extra tick comes at 3476 haste (Goblins 3315). Being a Goblin or being able to keep Pyromaniac up will change those values of course, as will any kind of temporary haste buff. The first step is trivial, the second step too high for current gear.

Those are the major thresholds. Combustion ticks 10 times, Flame Orb ticks 15 times, so they get ticks in smaller steps of 10% and 7% and the spells are on a cooldown timer, so the their steps are small compared to Living Bomb and Pyroblast's thresholds. Ignite will always only tick twice, it doesn't scale with haste. The table below applies to Haste values required for additional ticks of: Living Bomb, Frostfire Bolt (Glyphed) and Pyroblast (Dot).

ElitistJerks Fire mage forum

Kommentar von 778429

This trinket is good for Elemental shaman dps? Can anyone review this trinket from Elemental shaman who did experienced use this trinket. Please respond. Thank you.

Kommentar von taohu

In 4.0.6, this trinket's spellpower effect no longer has a graphic with it, and there is now a 2 second icd between spellpower buff stacks. Therefore, the spell power portion of the trinket now takes at least 10s instead of 1-2s to ramp up to 5 stacks after the use: effect or at the start of the fight.

Kommentar von 451327

Does the proc stack with Hero/Lustism?

Kommentar von 31389

Imo, this trinket/glove cooldown is a bug or an oversight.

Hopefully this is true and will be fixed. I picked up this trinket and I have engineering and I noticed a big DPS loss immediately and couldn't figure out why the trinket always seemed to be on cooldown when I wanted to use it. It's because I have my glove CD on a macro and use them whenever they're up.

I ended up trading the trinket back to someone else due to not being able to use this to it's full potential. It's a shame because it looked like it could have been a big boost.

Unless they fix this bug, I wouldn't waste your time if you have engineering; Look for passive proc-based trinkets like the Bell of Enraging Resonance.

Kommentar von 94449

An interesting note for warlocks: I can't macro this into my demon soul macro (cast demon soul then activate trinket), but I can pop the trinket's use effect first and cast demon soul directly afterward to stack the buffs.

Kommentar von 477939

how usefull would this be for a holy pally?
To me it seems very usefull because we are using our judgment and then we get a MASSIVE boost to haste
321x5=1505 Spellpower and 2.51x5=13.55% Haste if used with all 5 stacks
tell me if i am wrong i did that in my head

Edit: added more

Kommentar von 163020

This thing makes simulations and formulations fail on something. They don't take into account that in reality you will not be able to use it to its full potential. You'll almost always be forced to not use it when it's up due to situational issues. Sure that happens with auto-procs too but this also requires a set up of stacks. Hence it can't be just bound to be 'auto-hit'.

Kommentar von 792650

Compared to the Gale of Shadows, this item stacks a hell of a lot faster. Its also a lot nicer for trash since you'll have its full effect much faster then you would for Gale of Shadows.

Kommentar von pierakor

underrated item imo, I used to macro it together with all my 2min CDs (Demon Soul, Blood Fury, ...) then wait for the Darkmoon Card 1600int proc and start the pewpewpew'ing. a nice extra is that refreshing Bane of Doom while having all these +int +SP +haste buffs will make the DoT hit that fast/hard for the whole duration (about 1 minute)

Kommentar von Lazurianis

How does the drop? "Elementium Monstrosity" is just Captain Planet without a Heart. Therefor this is illogical to drop.

Kommentar von 441773

Something I'd be interested in seeing. Lets compare this trinket with say ... Theralions Spiegel. Now at the immediate beginning of a fight Theralions Spiegel is the better trinket since its spellpower bonus is instant. However because this trinket's bonus is greater at some point in time the total bonus is going to surpass Theralions Spiegel. At what point in time does this occur? Is it before or after the 2 minute mark when you have consumed the bonus for the haste effect? If the total bonus becomes greater before 2 minutes then this is the superior trinket.

True Theralions Spiegel does have a mastery proc to it. But mastery is currently a very weak stat for most DPS classes. I truely believe 1605 Haste > 1965 Mastery.

Kommentar von 852477

Heart of Ignacious could potentially be a holy paladin trinket. Because of my constant use of judgement (which is a damaging spell) on the boss to keep up with my melee swings to regen my mana (as long as seal of insight is in use). 5 stacks of 77 spellpower would be awesome for me that would increase the potency of my spells. Also the use would be amazing for big heals, along with judgement helping me maintain my melee swings on the boss it applys a "buff" of casting speed increase by 9%. In my personal opinion this could be one of the better trinkets considering there arent a lot of healing trinkets out there in bot/tot4w/bwd.

I also know that if you cast a frost shock on a target as a shaman and are speeced within focused insight: After casting any Shock spell, your next heal's mana cost is reduced by 75% of the cost of the Shock spell, and its healing effectiveness is increased by 30%. SO in conclusion it would kinda be good for you resto shamans also.

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