There are far more experienced Goblins that lurk here, but I thought that I would explain some of my experiences with AH Flipping. I am sure that there is a lot that I am missing, but this is intended to be a beginners guide, not an all inclusive guide to flipping.
The various flavors include Sniping, Flipping and Resetting. All are very similar in concept but typically differ only in the amount of inventory and cost of the purchase.
WARNING: do not snipe, flip or reset anything without studying or knowing the pricing patterns of that item. The goal is to earn gold, not throw it away. You can learn the price by studying TUJ for your server (every economy is different), or by daily following the prices on the AH for a few weeks.
A little about me:
3 million or 60% of my Longboi came from flipping raw BFA resources over 2.5 months. The remaining 30% came from BFA crafted goods such as flasks, bags, enchants, etc. The final 10% came from old world crafts including Sky Golem, drums, glyphs, etc.
NOTE: my experience is with flipping raw mats and crafted goods that I craft myself to list. I do not have any experience with Transmog listings, and I do not feel confident to provide advice on flipping Transmogs.
Picking off the easy fruit (open, attractive targets). For AH, this is buying up a few items that are significantly below what you know as the going rate. Example: someone posts a 188 cloth at 1.8g when the next listed price for that same cloth is 10k quantity at 2.2g ea. Sniping is usually low risk and easy money, but you are only earning a few gold here and there. Sometimes the people who are posting these are baiting other sellers to place their items low so that they can buy them up. Other people just don't know the value of the item or that it can be turned into a vendor for guaranteed gold.
Mote of Harmony:
3g 116 <-- good for sniping (total 348g, avg 3g each)
The above block is a perfect example of an item to snipe. Because I know this item, it still moves well even though its an old content item, and typically the selling price is around 5g for these. Its only a 348g investment, but could easily get 1g+ profit for each item. Buy and relist immediately, but might take a few postings because 6g11s is higher than normal.
Buying up a significant amount of the inventory with the purpose of relisting it back on the AH at a higher price. Example: someone dumps 10k ore at 5g each while last week it was 8g. While this may seem similar to sniping, the volume of the dump moves it into another category because instead of a few hundred gold for the purchase, it is 50k to buy out all the stock they just posted. The original poster was most likely interested in a fast paycheck, and knew that another goblin would quickly buy it up. Flipping doesn't have to happen right away; you can hold it until price goes up again later in the week. You also don't have to buy out all of the lowest tier stock, such as buying 10k Zin when it drops to its weekly low.
Enchant Ring - Accord of Mastery: (cost to craft: 607g)
450g46 8 <-- might buy all including here (total 9210g, avg 418g65s ea)
Because this is one of my regular items, I know that this item has been hovering around 500g, but a few days ago had a reset to 900g (it quickly dropped back down to around 500g). While the above example might also be good for a reset, I have a hard time paying more than crafting cost and so it is too much of a risk for me. However, I am interested in buying the 2 lowest price tiers and flipping them for nearly 80g profit.
This one is also good because considering the TSM cost to craft is 607g, it is cheaper for me to buy up other people's enchants and relist them than it is for me to craft my own. However, while the TSM crafting cost is 607g, I know I can actually craft it for much less using my: LW Bracer > Inscription Offhand > Veiled shuffle. But in this case, it is a lot easier just to take the 80g profit for a few seconds of work and call it a win.
Control the market of an item (at least for a short time). Typically resets work best when you buy up at least 50% of the available inventory and move the price significantly higher. Ideally you can reset the price to 2x what you paid for it.
War-Scroll of Intellect: (cost to craft: 63g)
100g18s 4 <-- might buy all including here (total 14k cost, avg 67g09s ea)
For a more stable item, the quantities are often weighted heavily at the bottom. The resets work because even though some of the items are much more expensive than you would like to pay for them, the overall bulk purchase keeps the price low. Buying out and resetting the price of the scrolls to 149g80s COULD net you 75g profit on each if you sell them all at that price (over doubling your gold)... however it rarely works out that way. You might sell a few at the top price, but eventually its going to drift back down. I would consider the flip successful if the price settles at 90g netting you a 20g profit off each one.
WARNING: in this example, there is actually high risk because the curve is actually flipped. The majority of the inventory is at the top, not the bottom and I can see that there are actually 3 individuals who have posted the inventory at 159g33s. You basically have 3 motivated competitors who are banking their stock and waiting for someone else to reset. This might actually work out OK for you, but there is still a known risk here. I went ahead and reset it this time even though I have stock from another reset. I consider this particular item valuable even going into Shadowlands.
Take a look at this one:
Dredged Leather: (market value: 10g98)
7g79 44 <-- might buy all including here (total 13k cost, avg 7g30s ea)
11g27 49 <-- might buy all including here (total 192k cost, avg 8g70s ea)
16g93 178 <-- might buy all including here (total 206k cost, avg 8g92s ea)
How deep of a reset would you do? The two bottom options would own over 70% of the items listed on the AH... approx 23k qty at a value of potential overall resell at market value of 10g98 could get you 60k+ profit. But you could also lose big time because I have seen prices of Dredged Leather drop down to 5g each (that is when I buy them up). Also this is another example of a competitor banking extra inventory and waiting for prices to rise before listing at a more buyer friendly amount.
(1) Don't forget to factor in the AH 5% cut.
100g listing price * 0.95 = 95g income when sold
95g income - 65g cost = 30g profit
Considering flipping cloth from 2g11 to 2g25?
2.25g listing price * 0.95 = 2g13s75c income when sold
2g13s75c income - 2g11 cost = 0g2s75c profit (not really worth it)
(2) Diversify! You also have to look at multiple markets. If you consider yourself the king of ____ market, then you are not diversifying. The key here is to mitigate risk... if the market ____ falls, that doesn't mean all of your sources of income are affected.
(3) If its too competitive and you don't have the gold to control it, then you need to play a little smarter. One thing that I like to do is to buy up a lot of the cheap stuff and make the item look tempting for someone else to reset.
(4) Find opportunities that are within your budget. If you can't find a way to recover from a reset or a flip, then don't do it. You don't have to do the big "risk everything on black" move. It might be more work, but successful goblins earn small amounts on lots of transactions instead of the grand big buck.
(5) Do not attempt a reset before going offline (or away from AH). The pricing is so volatile right after a reset as soon as other goblins catch on, chances are you will come back to a price that is lower than what you paid for the reset and nothing of your inventory has sold. If you reset, you MUST watch it and react to others.
(6) Even though you might have a lot of inventory, limit the amount that you post. If you are watching the AH, there will be other people who are watching to post their items to sell before yours. With the new AH the last person who posts gets sold first. So it is to your advantage to only post something like 1000 at a time if its big quantities that you are dealing with. Then when others post, you can come back and add another block without having to cancel yours first and then relisting it. All that time between cancel, run to mailbox and relist is a potential lost sale. I leave the original postings on until I don't have any more... and then I go through and cancel all but my most recent post.
(7) Consider supply and demand. If you don't already know, then learn what the item is used for. For example, I personally stay away from flipping Storm Silver because I have very little use for it. It is not part of any shuffles, and I don't work in the Uncanny weapon or armor markets. It is also too easy to get when I farm. I have also been burned in the past on this item when I overcommitted and the market dropped 50% what I paid for it.
(8) Limit the amount you stockpile for Shadowlands. If you are working toward your Longboi, you should not be intentionally stockpiling ANYTHING long term. If you are a crafter, then keep about 1 weeks MAX of raw stock so that you can do your crafts when prices are low. If prices rise next week more than what you can sell your crafts for, then don't craft... find a different market and wait for that to recover.
(9) There is the same potential to earn gold when you flip from 5g to 6g as you do from 1g to 1.2g. This is two examples of exactly 120% markup, but it doesn't feel like they are the same. Its nicer to say you are getting 70 silver (sell rate of (6 * 0.95) - 5) profit instead of only 14 silver profit. In both cases they have exactly the same AH fees and profit. If you spend 10k gold you will walk away with 1400g profit in both cases.
(10) You can mostly ignore AH deposits. If you sell the item, the deposit is refunded and only the 5% AH cut applies. If you are listing raw materials, the vast majority of items have super low deposits (exception is uncut gems and some old world ores/herbs). Its possible to bank 10k Storm Silver for 48 hours for less than a gold. If you stick to flipping raw materials, as long as you sell higher than you bought it for you should make a profit even if it takes a while to sell.
(11) Practice, Practice, Practice. If you are starting out then make it a personal goal to spend at least 1000g per day on flipping something. That is a low enough investment that it will not hurt you if you make a mistake. As you practice you will gain confidence in the tools and yourself and make this a successful venture.
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