i have 0 interest in helping out this loser meme orc. sylvanas4lyfe
"But Sylvanas' ulterior motives" Is literally to kill all living things and revive them as LOYAL Forsaken. "But moral ambiguity"She has never been ambiguous. She has a tragic past, and nothing can diminish that. It does not excuse the countless atrocities she has committed, and will inevitably commit. She has always been evil. My first real main was an Undead Death Knight. As an undead death knight, I stopped supporting her half-way through Cataclysm, where they removed moral greyness for real. This is the culmination of her character and her plans.You people will literally justify her murdering both forsaken civilians, who were shown to painstakingly be such a non-threat to Sylvanas that even Nathanos was horrified as she murdered them. Even the ones who were loyal to her and returning. She. Murdered. Them. People keep talking about Before the Storm like it's some kind of great answer. There's not. Even when we're looking inside her head, all we see are more dead bodies.Then Teldrassil, in Warbringers it's out of spite, in A Good War it's because she somehow thinks it will make the night elves stop fighting, despite historically their race has overcome such tragedies in the past, like the death of the Ancients or Cenarius, the sundering of the world, ect. Then she kills the Horde's OWN soldiers with Blight, one of the very worst ways to die in WoW.The only characters who are actually being mischaracterized are ALL of the Horde who are still loyal to Sylvanas. We never got a choice to not be there for her to randomly decide "All night elves must die." We never got a "Hey, i'm the Highlord/ Archdruid, and I don't think this is good." You all saw the datamined broadcast text. Vol'jin was tricked by something else to make her Warchief. But, most of us already knew that. It doesn't take much to piece together that such a violent, polarizing, warmongering leader would serve any one of the big evil factions in WoW very well. Saurfang's actions in the first half of a Good War make no sense, he should have seen through her obvious baiting. Seriously, Saurfang, you think Flower Child Anduin is going to be a warmonger? As an undead death knight, let me recount Anduin's history. I found him wandering around trying to vie for peace in MoP. I basically make friends with him in the Wrathion questline. Anduin convinces his father the value of peace, so the Horde-Alliance war temporarily ends. Anduin is in the Battle for Lordaeron and tries to get the Horde to surrender, and then Sylvanas destroys the entire city because she was actually planning on this all along, (which is why you see the goblins setting up the explosives even before you evacuate Undercity., you dummies) She destroys Capital City, because Lordaeron means nothing to her. Because, as shown in Before the Storm, her people ultimately mean nothing to her.The Horde is simply her means to an end, and you lovestruck fanboys who are suddenly coming out of the woodworks seem to forget that, despite being reminded of it at every turn. I understand it sucks to have Garrosh 2 Electric Undead Boogaloo. I understand it sucks that Saurfang randomly became dimwitted and fearful of Anduin of all people. I understand it sucks that randomly Sylvanas is recruiting Forsaken Night Elves who seem to have forgotten she's the one who did this to them. I understand, I've been playing this game for so long now, I've been invested in the lore and characters. This is the culmination of everything. She will inevitably die, for real, this expansion.
It's sort of weird for blizz to force the players to betray the warchief, as if they're saying "HEY GUYS SYLVANNAS IS THE BAD GUY LIKE GARROSH AND YOUR THE MAN ON THE INSIDE doing sneaky sneaky stuff with Saurfang." But I like Sylvannas and want to see her dreams brought to fruition. Kind of bad story telling on their part. Watch them make the alliance kill Jaina because she wanted to kill Saurfang.
Helping Saurfang is so ot of character for not only the forsaken, but also the BElves and the goblins. Why would I betray the warchief that respects my customs and traditions and treats me well or makes my profit go sky-high? Or, even as a Mag'har, that probably knows Saurfang as a completely different pesron that we know nothing about? Honestly this quest is sad. Why can you deside not to blight people or not to strike Sira, yet you have to fight Varok?... And even as a normal orc. If you see a person betraying your leader, go against his vow to the warchief (even Nazgrim didn't conspire against his leader in secret - this is honor), how is helping that person a good thing? If you have thing to say to your Warchief - say them in person and make a visible change, don't be a rat, nuh? Jeez...
As much as I want to bury my axe into Nathanos and Sylvanas faces', I'm not sure about Saurfang ... His notion of honour is a very childish and he look more of an Anduin's pet than a true Horde child.
Meh. Giving you a choice might be nice for roleplay, but it would ultimately be meaningless. So you side with Lyana, Saurfang thumps you, you go back to Sylvanas as a failed but loyal subject. Assuming everyone's right and Saurfang's rebellion succeeds, you're now on the losing side, you can't be trusted by Saurfang's people, and you should by rights have a much different narrative from the people who sided with Saurfang.But this is not a game with branching storylines or realities. So it won't happen.
Ahem... it’s ok to like Sylvanas, but...*leans in and whispers*You’re not going to be cast as liking her actions. This has been the case since “old soldier.” It’s been in the works since the desolate council. The darkshore scenario is only adding fuel to the fire of how unattractive her rule is meant to be.The forsaken will almost certainly be re-cast as Lordaeron loyalists ruled by Calia Menethil. Blizz aren’t going to pitch “come play baby burning war criminals” and just leave it there, come on now!
Despite the conflict between if the PC should side with Saurfang or Sylvanas being a issue, I don't think it's the real problem here. I think the real problem is that Saurfang could have pull this off back when we rescued him the first time. Half of the horde leadership hates Sylvanas and the other half are just tolerating her. So why go through all of this? And with the new revelations on how she was made warchief it makes it seem like saurfang is taking the long way just to pad the run time. Which is a very disruptive for a video game that already takes months to go through a fraction of the story.And while all this dissent among the horde leaders is happening in short clips span out across multiple patches we the player are doing everything she says without question. Which makes even the most staunch saurfang supporter seem like an idiot for boosting her to the point where it takes a full rebellion to stop and the most loyal Sylvanas fan a random turncoat. I mean we are kinda past the point of no return when it comes to dirtying our hands.
the writting team is really terrible with the Horde storyline. Rexxar 2020btw to everyone saying yati yala about forsaken. Alliance are freaking Nazi they choice to remove blood elf and forsaken back. they just forgot to mention all that in the lore. except if they recon evertyhing from wc3.the thing is they will go to any length to make the Horde look bad and alliance good.You know what really missing to wow is a third faction with real objectif to conquer and real reward. this game feel really empty rigth now except a race to ilvl.Note that the problem with this MMO rigth now is the narrative perspective is too focus on the player. We are suppose to be a grunt at best the center piece put piecce that help main piece la sylvanas or anduin
I hate to go for long stretches here, but does anyone else find some of these events strange? It almost seems manipulated. I am really considering that Mal'Ganis might be pulling some strings, especially with him being added to HotS.
I mean.. oof. I feel like it's a pointless Devils Advocate but I will point out we only have Zappyboi's perspective as evidence here. There isn't actual evidence that Slyvanas was going to disappear Saurfang if he he had surrendered. He was given the option of surrendering on charges that are more or less accurate to the things he has done. He did abandon his duty, he can be seen as turning his back on his people by refusing to come when rescue came for him, and given the evidence you see of SI:7 aiding his escape it could be inferred that he's been working with the humans in some manner.I mean she probably was going to have him assassinated.. but then why bother putting up the charade of trying to take him in? They could have just attacked right away without giving him the option.
It's pretty evident that Saurfang has to be executed at this point. He has been a complete traitor to the Horde ever since MoP - no sense of honor or loyalty to anyone but his own self, and I guess to the Wrynns. A complete stain on the faction. At least Nazgrim died honorably, Saurfang deserves nothing but to be killed and raised by Sylvanas at this point, like his son.
This is a lot of bull. I don't want to fight by Traitorfang's side! Sick of them putting Horde players against their Warchief.
Saurfang sucks, Yes, Sylvanas is not the most benevolent WARchief, but that old fart of an Orc is such an Hypocrite
I seem to recall a similar quest in Mists of Pandaria where you are tasked with assisting an important lore character who turns out is the real hero and the current warchief wants him gone, so you take out the warchief's underlings then fake the important lore character's death, who later on in the story becomes the new warchief after the "evil" one is exposed for the shthead that he is and brought down....Keep suprising us blizz, good job.
Hehe the Alliance masterplan to tear the Horde apart from inside is going as planned *diabolical laugh* ! HEM,HEM, I mean..., DAMN, nooooooooooo, Saurfang escaped, too bad, we really need to do something about those sewer connections to the stockades !