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Kommentar von 70690

Where in Blackrock Depths can this npc be found ??

Kommentar von 82238

You say he is at the bar? Now, could someone then tell me where the bar is?

Preferably by using the numbers on the BRD map below as reference, seeing as I do not have a coord mod.

http://www.wowhead.com/?screenshot=view&7.1584#1456

Also, are the enchanting recipes (and other of his recipes for that matter) reputation dependant?

Kommentar von Frosties

How do you get from Neutral to friendly ??? any tricks??

Kommentar von 17624

Faction rep guide HERE:
http://www.wowhead.com/?faction=59

It's very easy to get to honoured, and very slow/expensive to get past that.

Kommentar von 12719

Could someone actually describe how to get from the entrance to the Grim Guzzler? The map shows where it is, but not what passages, stairways, etc to take. I can likely stealth all the way to it if I had clear directions. And I do have the shadowforge key.

Kommentar von Gorbal

Lokhtos sells his recipes depending on your faction with the Thorium Brotherhood.

Friendly

Transmute: Elemental Fire (Alchemy 300)
Dark Iron Bracers (Blacksmithing 295)
Enchant Weapon - Strength (Enchanting 290)
Molten Helm (Leatherworking 300)
Corehound Boots (Leatherworking 295)
Flarecore Gloves (Tailoring 300)

Honored

Fiery Chain Girdle (Blacksmithing 295)
Dark Iron Helm (Blacksmithing 300)
Dark Iron Destroyer (Blacksmithing 300)
Dark Iron Reaver (Blacksmithing 300)
Enchant Weapon - Mighty Spirit (Enchanting 300)
Lava Belt (Leatherworking 300)
Black Dragonscale Boots (Leatherworking 300)
Flarecore Mantle (Tailoring 300)
Flarecore Robe (Tailoring 300)

Revered

Fiery Chain Shoulders (Blacksmithing 300)
Dark Iron Leggings (Blacksmithing 300)
Dark Iron Gauntlets (Blacksmithing 300)
Black Amnesty (Blacksmithing 300)
Blackfury (Blacksmithing 300)
Enchant Weapon - Mighty Intellect (Enchanting 300)
Chromatic Gauntlets (Leatherworking 300)
Molten Belt (Leatherworking 300)
Corehound Belt (Leatherworking 300)
Flarecore Leggings (Tailoring 300)

Exalted

Dark Iron Boots (Blacksmithing 300)
Nightfall (Blacksmithing 300)
Ebon Hand (Blacksmithing 300)
Blackguard (Blacksmithing 300)

Kommentar von 38207

After the recent patch (2.4.2 I think was the numbers) I went down to the bar on a rogue who was I believed honored with the brotherhood. and all patterns listed had no rep requirement on them any longer. was I missing it or has it been changed to such? If anyone can confirm/debunk that would be great.

Kommentar von Dantarahma

To answer any questions anyone has about this rep vendor....

If you go to the bar at any rep lvl and you want to see what he sells, READ what the question is to get the the purchaseable items.

It reads "Show me what I have access to, Lokhtos"

This means that he will only show what you have access to, NOT everything he sells. So, you have to be exalted to be able to see his whole list of purchaseables. Things you can't learn (since we can only have 2 profs) will still appear red no matter your rep.

At friendly you'll only see the "friendly purchaseable" options. Where as, at honored you'll see honored and friendly ones, and soforth....

Hope that helps out, and makes its so ppl make fewer trips to this guy with hopes of a "limited quantity" item. He has none, but all recipes are BOP, so buying multiple is a waste of funds.

Sadly he doesn't repair, that would be nice. /booo

Kommentar von 203996

i am not at all trying to get rep with them now that i am 70 but if u are lower level those are some sick patter i advise that you try and get the reputaion and get them also including that they are boe so probly sell for alot

Kommentar von 183386

If you have a Sulfuron Ingot (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=17203) in your bags there will be another option for a turn in to get the plans for the Sulfuron Hammer (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=18592) which is one of two components in the Legendary item Sulfuras, Hand of Ragnaros (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=17182)

Kommentar von 133525

If you use (or get a friend that has it to use it) Direbrew's Remote then it will take you right to the Grim Guzzler.

Kommentar von 128669

so i guess there is no need for jewelcrafters to grind this rep than?

Kommentar von adrianostanley

I can't find him! Does anyone can show me his location in Blackrock Depths?

Kommentar von 574325

I have a level 38 warlock with 300 Enchanting and i am aiming to get the Formulas, does anyone know if i am too low level to get the quests that give rep?

Kommentar von 431362

I've found you can do his Favor quests even at Neutral. I turned in Fiery Cores, whereby skipping the annoying grind of Neutral - Friendly with Burninate, then going to Burninate and doing the Residue turn-in for Friendly - Honored. A time saver, and a money saver, since cores are cheap on my server.

Kommentar von 436173

Have the rep requirements been removed?

If not, then Wowhead currently fails to display the faction reputation requirements for purchasing the recipes, formulas, etc. from Lokhtos Darkbargainer. Perhaps this is due to the change in the way these are displayed on the vendor (rather than showing all the recipes, you can only see the ones you have rep for). The Armory has the same problem.

The requirements are shown here:

http://www.wowwiki.com/Thorium_Brotherhood

Kommentar von paparis

Fiery core (and I asume all cores) now award 2000 rep per turn-in......confirmed today

Kommentar von 3319

It is now possible to go from neutral to revered with Thorium Brotherhood just by doing the Searing Gorge quests, which took me about an hour to do.

Kommentar von Angelus2293

For some reason the path to the Grim Guzzler is blocked. It looks like the door is stuck half open.

Any ideas whats happening?

Kommentar von Vlad

You need either Feuerkern or Lavakern as both give same reputation, so find the cheapest of what ever item and then you only need this many to hit exalted from neutral at level 85 (note: I state this because at level 60 I believe I gained more reputation, I believe the default reputation for level 60's is 2250 and that each level above 60 the reputation rewarded is reduced by 10 reputation per delivery -hence the closer to 60 the more rep you gain, still it is no problem if you are 85 as you clearly can see in the table - more on this on the bottom):
Reputation booster | Rep. per item | Number of items needed
-----------------------------+---------------+------------------------
Default | 2000 | 21
Guild Level 4 = 5% | 2100 | 20
Guild Level 12 = 10% | 2200 | 20 (~19.1)
Human + Guild Level 4 = 15% | 2300 | 19 (~18.3)
Human + Guild Level 12 = 20% | 2400 | 18 (~17.5)
If you are currently logged on the character you wish to boost to exalted, you can use this macro to output the number of items you need to deliver:/run local k=IsSpellKnown local s,b,r=select(6,GetFactionInfoByID(59)),1+(k(20599)and .1 or 0)+(k(78635)and .1 or k(78634)and .05 or 0)r=42000-s r=r<0 and 0 or r print(format("%.1f",r/((2000+(MAX_PLAYER_LEVEL-UnitLevel("player"))*10)*b)))
The formula for calculating how many items you need to get from neutral to exalted for any level (above or equal to 60) and including the rep bonuses you gain for being Human or in combination with guild reputation boosters:
Formula:
42000/((2000+(MAXLVL-LVL)*10)*BOOST)

MAXLVL is the expansion max level, currently 85.
LVL is your characters level, anything between 60 and the MAXLVL value.
BOOST is 1 if no rep boost from perks or other sources, 1.05 if 5% rep boost, 1.10 if 10%, 1.15 if 15% and 1.20 if 20% boost.

Example; level 60 in Cataclysm, Human with Guild Level 12:
42000/((2000+(85-60)*10)*1.20) = 15.56 ~= 16 items needed

Example; level 65 in Cataclysm, Human but without guild perks:
42000/((2000+(85-65)*10)*1.0) = 19.09 ~= 20 items needed

Kommentar von erikvduyn

Just got my 85 Paladin from neutral to exalted by handing in 18 Lava Cores at 2400 rep each, if you need a rough estimate.

Kommentar von SkiRed

Warning....

You have to be Level 60 to get access to the turn-ins!

Finally dinged 60 on my Holy Priest,
Bought 20 Lava Cores,

Used this comment as a guide...

So you go in, head left, use the shadowforge key, use it again on the grating a couple yards ahead on your right, go through, then use it again to open the door on your left, which opens directly into the east(?) garrison. Wait to let the fire elemental walk by, or kill it when it's near the door. There's a device on the floor in that room which you 'use' to open a barrier further along on your path. You can easily stealth to it and do so. A 70 can probably walk right up to it.

So once that's done then you go up the staircase in the same room. Turn left at the top of the stairs and follow the winding corridor....it goes on for quite a while. Eventually it ends in a room with two staircases going down. Take the one on your right. This places you in a workshop where they're building their fine golems. Patrols of normal guys in here, so take care. Look for a passage out of this room on your right. That leads to a bridge, and on the other side of it is the Grim Guzzler. Mr. Darkbargainer is in a little alcove entered from the upper level of the bar.

Turn in Cores and hey presto, one Intellect Enchant Recipie.

Final Point is - don't worry about dying as you release to a point next to the instance entrance and so you can re-enter to find the trash mobs you've previously killed are still dead. Kill more (die again lol) and repeat.

Kommentar von Smobu

I just did all quests in Searing Gorge which got me to 7k into revered, then went to hand in and got 2200 rep per fiery/lava core and 330 rep per 10 ore, way better then when i farmed it on my main ><

Kommentar von 917711

Does anyone know what armor he is wearing? Is it available in game to players?

Kommentar von Tadewing

NPC no longer require reputation with Thoriumbruderschaft for quest turn-in.

Kommentar von Veradas

I see that Blizzard decided to torture us by blocking off one entrance and locking the back door of the Grim Guzzler. If you don't have a key or a remote to get in to turn in for rep rewards how in the wide universe are we to get in there? Am I just screwed?

Kommentar von 965406

Well ~~Loktos Darkbargainer~~ is lying when you say He will give the plans for the Sulfurn Hammer!

Kommentar von Jazzism

There's no limit, I went from Neutral to Exhalted in a few minutes just buying the stuff and turning in the quests. Less that 2k overall.

Kommentar von Barleduq

This is in answer to Guy19 - it got too long to be a reply to his post.

Part of the problem with finding this guy, in my experience, is that when you are on the level of Shadowforge City, and you open the map it shows you on the Detention Block map. Most of the time I got killed it was by patrols that found me as I had the map open trying to plot where I was. That said, if you're doing this alone, the easiest way is to take the Mole Machine (there's one in the first room past the swirly gate) to the Domicile, and thread your way through both garrisons. Don't forget to unlock the bridge between the garrisons!

I first did this on a L65 Warrior who I'd never actually *played* - his levels were RAF grants, and he was a blacksmith by intent, only a warrior cause you can't have a pure crafter. It *is* possible to get from The Domicile to the Guzzler without aggroing too much, and despite having no real idea how to play a warrior at that level, I only died when I ended up with ranged DPS mobs targeting me - the very first time I did it, I died three times. Fortunately, that *does* clear some of the mobs out of the way (assuming you take some with you...)

If you look at the map linked on this page, you'll see a little sort of open-sided square thing in The Domicile. That's where you end up when you take the Mole Machine to "Into the Domicile". Follow the sort of angled thread out the corner, through the Shrine of Thaurissian, around the Ring of Law, into the East Garrison, dodge downstairs to unlock the gate, then back up and through to the West Garrison, across the bridge, and into the Guzzler.

The places I had the most problems were the Shrine and the Bridge. If you stay as far away from all the mobs as possible, it *is* possible to get through the Domicile and out that corner door without aggroing anything. It's *barely* possible to do it in the Shrine, if you time it right and go fast. When you go through the door to the ring, be as much as possible in the middle of the entry, go *directly* to the edge of the ring, and run around it between the ?torches? and the rim - you won't aggro the crowd.

In the East Garrison, you *can* hit the bridgelock without pulling the mobs to either side or past it - I thought for sure I'd get them, but they ignored me. Hug the various walls away from the mobs through the garrisons, and again I got surprisingly ignored as I went through the narrow area from the East to the Bridge, which is that sort of bracket-y looking thing in the middle between the two garrisons.

The biggest problems were the Fireguards on the bridge from the West Garrison to the Guzzler - It was almost impossible to pull only one, and sometimes a patrol came past while I was fighting the pair, and that was toast for me.

Note: While you're there, you probably want to buy not only from Lokhtos, but also the 10 Dunkeleisenbierbecher that Stöpsel Zapfring has for sale, to use at the Darkmoon Faire to get Jubjubs Nachwuchs. You can grab two more off the table to one side, but despite another comment I saw that said 'getting them without other interaction', no matter how I interspersed buying something from Plugger, when I grabbed the third mug the barfight broke out and I died.

Good luck!

Kommentar von Guy19

A very detailed video of how to get to the entrance of Blackrock Depths. :)

How to get to the Grim Guzzler.

Kommentar von dreedo

So I was gona do this Q to max my druid in order to be able to buy the hammer recipe. I look around and saw you could turn in some random items for reputation. So i started to bunker up with around 40-70 Lavakern and hoping i would get close to honored or so.

But turned out you need EXACT 20 Lavakern to go from Neutral to Exalted.

Barely 5 min work done ;)

Cheers!

Kommentar von TomWolf

If you want all the black dragonscale patterns:

Muster: Schwarze Drachenschuppenschultern Drops by Marschall der Zorneshämmer. On average 7 per run, giving you approxematly 10% droprate per run. Drops for anyone.

Schwarze Drachenschuppengamaschen Drops by Hauptmann der Zorneshämmer in the very last room of the instance. You can easily get there with the gnomish transport at the entrance but if you are farming for the shoulders at the same time it's faster to just keep on going. Drops for anyone.

Muster: Schwarze Drachenschuppenbrustplatte Is sold by the gnome, Stöpsel Zapfring, in the bar. You can't get there by using the transport since it takes you passed the area. It sometimes takes several hours for it to spawn with the vendor, just hang around until it does. To keep going after just buy 6 black rock beers for the guy with the quest. Can be bought by anyone.

Muster: Schwarze Drachenschuppenstiefel Is sold by the dwarf vendor (Lokhtos Düsterfeilsch) in the bar. You need to be honored to buy it and since it's bop the leatherworker have to do it themselves. To get honored you do a bunch of questchains in searing gorge that finally opens up a repeatable quest in thorium point where you can turn in dark iron recidue. 100 residue gives 1500 rep (more with perks ofcourse). Anyone can farm the residue for the leatherworker to get the rep up.

When you are done with this you can do a run in Blackwing Lair with a skinner to get a bunch of Schwarze Drachenschuppe and three each of Feuerkern and Lavakern. After that you do Upper Blackrock Spire until you have 83 scales. At that point you should have enough Rugged leather and hide as well.

To make the cured hide the leatherworker needs a Salzstreuer made by an engineer and Tiefsteinsalz.

In total you need:
83 Black Dragonscale
70 Rugged Leather
3 Cured Rugged Hide
3 Fiery Core
3 Lava Core
7 Rune Thread
Thanks Catriona for that info. =)

Good luck making your Black Dragonscale set =)
Link to set: Black Dragon Mail

Kommentar von 941150

If you don't have Düsterbräus Fernbedienung, the fastest way I know to get here is:
1. Fly to the instance.
-- If Alliance, fly north-east from Stormwind, it's pretty close.
-- If Horde, use the port to Blasted Lands in any city then fly north, it's a bit farther.
2. Run inside the instance.
3. Immediately turn right, and click on the Abandoned Mole Machine.
4. Click the option for "Just past the Grim Guzzler".
5. Look south-west, you'll see a door at the top of a short ramp.
6. Run to said door. If you hug the left rail, you can skip the enemies at 90.
7. There's a Bar Door. It's locked. You need to go the long way. Or. . .
8. Check out the left edge of the Bar Door. Try zooming in to first person. You'll notice that you can see through a crack between the door and the wall.
9. There's a Grim Patron directly on the opposite side of this crack. Turn on nameplates to select him through the wall.
10. Attack him with a ranged ability. This is tricky, because you have to line it up perfectly. There needs to be a line from the center of your character, through the crack in the door, that ends right in the center of the npc's hitbox. I like to use first person so I can see through the crack and aim for the center of the circle under his feet. Then use the mouse to look slightly to the left or right and move forwards and backwards a little at a time while spamming the hotkey for your ability. I find it best to use something you can cast while moving, but you could stop, attempt to cast, move, etc. if need be.
11. Wait for the nearby patrons to aggro you and run through the door. Kill them.
12. Wait for the patrol golem to get mad, open the door and attack you. Kill him.
13. Run through the open door. Turn right, run to the end of the bar area.
14. ?
15. Profit! Prophet? Prophet, we need you to kill that enemy! Prophet, hurry up because even though it doesn't matter, we want you to think it does! Prophet, start the... err, I think I got sidetracked by the wrong game.

Kommentar von Zovesta

As of Warlords of Draenor and at level 100, it looks like you need 21 Fiery Core or Lava Core to go from Neutral to Exalted. :) Clearing Molten Core can get you at least halfway there, but these are cheap on my server (Silver Hand) if you'd rather just buy them off the AH.

Kommentar von Buffeninc

I've made a quick video explaining the fastest way to get exalted with the Thorium Brotherhood as of patch 6.2.3.

It requires you to buy or farm 22 Fiery Cores and turn them in to Lokthos Darkbargainer in Black Rock Depths (BRD).
The video shows you the way to the entrance of BRD, including the most direct route to Lokthos, with commentary. No long stories about the good old days, what I had for lunch or other irrelevant stuff - just the info you need to get to exalted.

Check it out here:
https://youtu.be/8bMKrcxN088

Kommentar von Ogros

Note that although dwarves are famously obsessed with jewels, there's nothing here for JCs because the profession didn't exist in Vanilla.

Kommentar von thehumanjukebox

For the recipes to even appear in this guy's inventory, you have to get honored and revered with the Thorium Brotherhood. I've found that the easiest way to get Thorium Brotherhood rep is to solo Molten Core ONCE (you'll probably get a transmog piece or two anyway while you're in there). You're looking to get Fiery Cores, Lava Cores, and depending on your profession, either Dark Iron Ore or Core Leather. I then went to Lokhtos in BRD after that, and turned in a bunch of these items at this guy. There. Done.

Kommentar von Zamnest

Fiery Core and Lava Core gives 2000 repu each for The Thorium Brotherhood while Dark Iron Ore gives 300 repu. So if you are gonna farm or buy those materials, you might want to prefer cores.

Kommentar von zAce

I am playing a project 60 priest running as shadow spec I was alone in the dungeon.

I began with using the mole to get "Just past the Grim Guzzler".
Then I cleared the two groups of mobs.
Using a method described in the comments I was able to cast a ranged ability on mobs inside the bar. I died fast because lots of mobs but I got one mob down, then the "patrol" came.
I Mind Controlled the "patrol" mobs 3 times because they killed me after MC was ended.
After the "patrol" was dead I could walk in and talk/trade with Lokhtos.

Kommentar von 2353676

Guy's lokhtos intolerant by the way. You've been warned.

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