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Kommentar von BlizzardCS

Hi zusammen!

Beachtet, dass gegenwärtig alle Gruppenmitglieder in der Nähe sein müssen, wenn das Seelenfragment zum Einsammeln angeklickt wird. Wenn ein Spieler zum entsprechenden Zeitpunkt bereits tiefer in die Instanz vorgedrungen ist oder genach einem Tod gerade wieder hineinläuft, wird diesem das Fragment nicht angerechnet, wenn es eingesammelt wird.

Kommentar von Kyphala

Die ersten vier Fragmente (Gästezimmern, Bankettsaal, Bedienstetenunterkünften, Opernsaal) sind im Unteren Karazhan. Man kann sie vorher schon sehen

Das fünfte Fragment (Menagerie) findet sich beim Kurator im Oberen Karazhan. Es erscheint erst nachdem der Kurator getötet ist. Etwas schwer zu sehen weil es bei mir genau zwischen seinen Beinen lag.

Hat man alle 5 Fragmente sollte man die Ini kurz verlassen und die Quest abgeben. Khadgar steht am alten Raid Eingang. Hier bekommt man auch gleich die Folgequest die einen wiederum in die Bibliothek führt.

Kommentar von Handlar

Für alle, die es - so wie ich - nicht sofort verstanden haben: Der (Schlachtzugs-) Schwierigkeitsgrad muss mythisch sein! Wenn schon Bosse getötet wurden, kann das durchaus eine Woche Zeit kosten! Oder einfach auf mythisch den Seiteneingang nutzen und hinunter gehen, das ist zwar ein Umweg, startet aber eine andere Instanz ID und damit ist alles möglich!

Kommentare

Kommentar von subby

I feel daft but I cannot see where to hand this in, there is not quest hand in outside Karazhan and nothing in Dalaran. I am looked everywhere to see if there is any info on this and I cannot find the hand in anywhere.

Kommentar von Riaure

Since this had me a little bit frazzled, This requires you to enter and complete the dungeon, essentially.

Until you attune, you cannot queue in Looking for Group, however. So, fly up to the new entrance
And go find yourself a group the old fashioned way, in general chat.
Or with the Premade cross-server groups.

Enjoy :)

Kommentar von 9361984

Once the fragment is clicked it is gone, if you do not receive credit for whatever reason then you will have to join another group and do that specific section of the dungeon again.

After our group defeated Curator, I stepped into the portal not realising the fragment was right on Curator's corpse. The other members then clicked the fragment and those that went into the portal did not receive credit for it, when we tried to return to Curator, the fragment was gone.

Kommentar von BlizzardCS

Hi all!

Be advised that currently all party members need to be nearby if someone clicks to collect a soul fragment. If a player has already continued to another area of the instance, or has died in the fight and is just running back, they will not receive credit when the fragment is collected.

Kommentar von Giljami

Handy tip for anybody that missed a fragment and already killed all bosses! In the library, where the Mana Devourer boss is, you can take a stairs upwards in the back. Upstairs you will find a portal that will teleport you back to the entrance of the instance so you can pick up other missed fragments.

This does not work if somebody else in your group already picked up the fragment and you didn't get credit. But it sure helped me out ^^

Kommentar von Quebe

Can It be solo or as to be in a group?

Kommentar von streathh

for my fellow rogues out there:

i joined a group for the last boss (acm seems to be mandatory nowadays), which we killed. i handed in the corresponding Q and after that used the portal the boss made in p2 to p3 to return to the ground and run back to the "spawn". head up the stairs there and u can TP to the entrance.

here things got interesting:
i could use the fragment behind moroes, since the trash was cleared.
the opera one was a little tricky, i barely finished the channel and vanished with no health.
at the maidens fragment, i died, but still got credit since i channeled for ~1sec.
sadly, i couldnt find the curator/menagerie one, since it seems to spawn at the boss, which i didnt kill.
the last one, servants, isnt possible to solo imo. u get to the last room relative easy, but the last patrol sees me everytime. and since u are in combat, you cant click the shard.
3/5 for endboss wasnt too bad tho

TLDR:

Servant Quarter isnt possible to solo

hope this helps in some way, cheers

Kommentar von Scolex

invisibility potions / skaggldrynk work like a charm, credit to markuscha in replies.

Kommentar von Aetherfukz

Since no one mentioned this yet, this is fixed on live and it now lets you turn in the quest directly at Khadgar right in front of the Karazhan tower in the old world.

Kommentar von SnoFox

I missed one of the fragments. I went back in out of a group, ran up to the servant quarters, clicked on the crystal and it disappeared. I didn't get credit for collecting it. MAKE SURE you get these crystals while with your group.

Kommentar von Vampiyaa

After completion, if you had to double back for the last few soul fragments after defeating Viz'aduum the Watcher (the last boss), you do not have to either run back to the end of the dungeon where Khadgar spawns (I'm not sure if you even can, since you port up three platforms mid-battle) or re-kill him. You can turn in the quest outside of the instance, as Khadgar is standing outside the old raid entrance.

Kommentar von OldWolf2

To do this quest you must enter via a new entrance for Legion, named "Karazhan Side Entrance". Coords are 46.7,70.2 and you must fly up. (It's not "Karazhan Catacombs" which has the same coordinates but lower down).

Kommentar von mingeroonie

Is this to be done on Mythic only?
Its the only option for me in the Dungeon/Pre-made group finder.

Kommentar von sn0wtiger

Can confirm this quest can be completed through the LFG tool and queueing for Heroic Lower/Upper Karazhan as of 7.2!

Edit: Though it does seem you can only do one(upper or lower) per day through the specific heroic dungeon option :) Calendar lists the lock out as 'Return to Karazhan Heroic' so guessing they both count as the same.

Kommentar von Chyvalri

The first four fragment items (Guest Chambers, Banquet Hall, Servant Quarters, and Opera Hall) can be found in the Lower Return to Karazhan if you're queuing. The fifth fragment (Menagerie) is found behind the Curator which is in Upper Return to Karazhan.

Don't do what I did and waste your time running around a queued Lower Kara looking for that fifth one. It's so much easier to go to Upper and eradicate the first boss.

Kommentar von Gylnea

Where is the menagerie soul fragment ?

Kommentar von devilscherry

I have been able to queue for bot Upper and Lower Kara multiple times in one day. I suspect this may be to enable people to catch up on the Kara quest line more quickly.

Kommentar von alpanhell

Another incredibly badly designed quest by Blizzard.

The majority of these fragments are not by the boss so require extra clearing to get to them and we all know how lfg pug groups love going 5 secs out of their way. Plus the Servants quarter one isn't anywhere near a boss so you can't blame a group for not wanting to go that far out of their way.

You can try and get them afterwards. If you use an invis potion and you can click on the fragment to start the "capture" before you aggro and live to finish the action you can get it. Otherwise you can't start the action of grabbing the fragment if you are in combat.

Kommentar von trekker9876

I can confirm that you CAN do this in mythic + modes... I just did it on a +2

Kommentar von Wytryszek

The quest reward needs an upgrade now..

Kommentar von Muthsera

I found that on Mythic+ as of 7.2, once you finish Lower Karazhan, all the mobs show up as red, but are not hostile, so you can run around and grab the first 4 soul fragments at your leisure. Still need to see if the same is true on Upper Karazhan. This non-hostility may or may not be due to a team of goblins and gnomes busting ghosts in the instance afterward.

Kommentar von Eillesthis

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Kommentar von rayray915

i ran 2 ppl who had no idea where to find their last shard

there are 4 in lower and one in UPPER

you will have to do BOTH dungeons to complete the quest

the shard in upper is next to the fist boss (Guardian) when he dies

Kommentar von neil41031

So I ran lower and upper today on heroic. I got all but the servant qtrs. Somebody else clicked it and it vanished and never came back up. I ran again and I clicked it and it was channeling and didn't count then disappeared. Twice I ran like that, anybody else have this issue?

Kommentar von Gwydolyn

You can still turn in the quest to Khadgar outside the entrance.

Kommentar von gogatorsfwb

I ran this yesterday with a couple guildies in an LFG group, and of course the druid tank sprinted through it so that no one had time to pick up any fragments, despite my request at the start of the dungeon. There's no convenient way to walk back through the dungeon from the last boss (Viz'aduum), so we used the teleport out/back in method. This placed us on the Broken Stair at Lower Karazhan, so we just decided to 3-man it to get the fragments. We managed to get all the ones in Lower Kara, but could not find a way to get through the locked doors to get to Upper Kara to get the last fragment at the Menagerie. We did not get the Set of Rusty Keys from Moroes.

I went back in today and managed to solo the Opera and a lot of trash, but kept getting charmed by guests on the way to the Banquet Hall (which resets their health).

Two (well, really three) questions:

1. Do the keys always drop from Moroes? and are they a looted item, or automatic?

2. How do you prevent getting charmed when soloing/pulling large groups?

Side note: the LFG run started in Upper Kara with the stupid Menagerie Custodian, so we could have gotten all the fragments were it not for the impatient tank. :/

Kommentar von Kanuton

What's frustrating is that when you go in with a LFG, you can ask if peeps in the groups also go after soul fragments but so far (4x), I asked, didn't get an answer, and the group ran straight to the bosses - no fragments. Isn't there a way to group just with peeps who want soul fragments?

Kommentar von BimCon

Really......

A quest line that starts with a dungeon run, then gives you another quest for the same dungeon, then again, then again, then again..... you get my point! literally spent a majority of the time i get to play running this same dungeon over and over and over again... Up yours Blizz

Kommentar von grimmtooth

Solo-able w/ Disco priest, around 915 iLvl.

1) Banquet Hall shard is right behind Moroes and is basically the easiest since you gotta kill him to finish the dungeon, so you get help.

2) Guest Chambers is in the room closest to Maiden, just pick the mobs off a pair at a time. Few LFD groups will stop to clear it for you.

3) Opera Hall is tricky. The shard is in the audience area, and the audience will probably be 100% there. I found that peeling audience members off from the first row on each side will get the front five rows on each side cleared, which is enough. Prioritize the ushers if any get picked up. Use all teh cooldowns, especially the ones that protect / heal you, and keep atonement up on all the times. Died once there after clearing the first group, ran back, they still ded.

4) Servant Quarters is a real bear. If you have an inviso gimmick, use it, and then shield up before hitting the crystal at the end. Otherwise, be prepared to die a few times on the way in. EASY to pull too many at once, especially since you have a lot of bad to avoid standing in. It's a pain, but unless you have friends, this is the only way you're going to get it.

Kommentar von Semavi

got this thing from Seat dungeon finder heroic, don't know how it is related with karazhan.

Kommentar von Wymsageu

Seriously, ^&*! this quest. Unless you're the tank, NOBODY is going to help you with it, since they just power through the dungeon in the shortest time possible. Blizzard, this is a retarded concept for dungeon quests. STOP making them miles away from the bosses, they're impossible to do like this.

Kommentar von felfirebolt

This is a frustrating quest in the current patch if you don't have anyone to help you. I tried making a group for this quest but had no luck getting anyone to join. In my experience the best way to complete it without anyone willingly assisting you is to acquire the Guest Chambers (just before Maiden of Virtue), Banquet Hall (Moroes), Opera Hall (just after the Opera event) and Menagerie (right by Custodian) fragments by running slightly ahead in an LFD Heroic group and pulling any trash from the side areas surrounding the fragments forcing the group to kill it, then soloing the Servant Quarters fragment on Heroic. If you don't pull the trash they will almost definitely just run past and not help you clear, and the Servant Quarters is so out of the way your team probably won't be anywhere near you even if you tried the same tactic.

This was the route I took in the end to solo the Servant Quarters fragment on Heroic: kill the Opera boss, take the Grand Ballroom door back in the Broken stair that opens after doing so, sneak into the servants quarters skipping as much trash as possible and try to pull the spiders one or two at a time. Remember more spiders will web down from the ceiling near the fragment so be careful and clear the existing ones out first. Done as an Affliction Warlock with Infernal demon ~895 gear (make sure to use Sow the Seeds and Demon Skin to make it easier on you). Good luck with this annoying quest.

Kommentar von missyndabrit

-Lower-
Opera Hall Soul Fragment is in front of the stage after you down the opera

Guest Chambers Soul Fragment is in the final room as you're heading toward the Maiden of Virtue (second boss of the dungeon).

Servant Quarters Soul Fragment is out of the way of the rest of the dungeon. It is north east of the room of Attumen the Huntsman is located. You'll need to fight your way through the spiders until you reach the northeastern most room.

Banquet Hall Soul Fragment is the last one found in Lower Return to Karazhan. It is found right where Moroes spawns.

-Upper-
Menagerie Soul Fragment is located in Upper Return to Karazhan dungeon. It will spawn when the first boss (The Curator) is defeated.

I solo'd on my 939 shunter with a bear.

Kommentar von cephadex

Edit: when I originally posted the comment below, on heroic mode it was only possible to access upper Kara via LFG. IndyGE has pointed out to me below that recently it has also become possible to access heroic upper Kara without having to go through LFG (thank you for the information!) This is because in order to access upper Kara you need a set of keys that drop from Moroes in lower Kara, and up until recently the keys used to only drop from him on mythic or mythic+. Presumably now they also drop from him on heroic; if others can also confirm this then that would be lovely.

Below is my original comment, which does not include the updated information:

To anyone trying to solo this during BfA or later: the Menagerie fragment is located in upper Kara-- but with the new Kara layout as of Legion, the only way to get to upper Kara without queuing for heroic in LFG is through mythic or mythic+. (That is: odd and frustrating as this may seem, on heroic, the upper portion of Karazahn can only be accessed by LFG.) They have made it so that only in mythic or beyond, when you kill Moroes in lower Kara, he drops a set of keys. They will fall near his body and need to be clicked on in order to pick them up. The keys can then be used to access upper kara. This is done by using a wooden door located inside the dungeon, near the dungeon entrance (the bridge entrance). This wooden door will show up as locked if you don't have the keys.

Back in the old Kara raid from TBC, you could get to "lower kara" (as players used to call this portion of the raid) from the ground level (entrance 1) and to "upper kara" by going up the rickety outdoor steps and getting to a second entrance (entrance 2). Now however after the redesign, there is no dungeon entrance that will simply take you to upper kara. Going into the dungeon through the entrance up on the bridge will lead you to an indoor area through which the lower part of Kara can be accessed directly. This indoor area also includes some locked doors, behind which lie the upper areas of Kara. But Bliz made it so that the keys to unlock the door only drop on mythic or mythic+ (from Moroes). So: do not fly all around the tower looking for an additional dungeon entrance in hopes that such a dungeon entrance would take you to upper kara. There is no such dungeon entrance now.

While I understand that on heroic Bliz have split Kara (which is one whole place) into two separate dungeons for LFG purposes, I still think that they should have found a way to make it so that if you go into the heroic dungeon without LFG you should be able to access upper kara as well. Most groups in LFG will want to race through this dungeon-- but clearly upper kara has been redesigned with interesting lore that one would want to stick around and experience, and locations they may want to stay in and explore. So as a consequence of the way things are, many people sort of get a taste of that while rushing through in LFG and then think "well, maybe in a future expansion I'll be able to solo this place-- on mythic-- so I can finally enjoy the lore."

Kommentar von killzy1990

How do you get into this dungeon to obtain the fragments in BFA?

Kommentar von Florack

OK, randomly decided to do this quest when I cam to this zone for a battle pet/mini pet.

If you are wanting to get into the dungeon version of Karazhan (and not the raid version at the main entrance) you need to fly up a little way on the right-hand side of the building (right side from looking at the main door/entrance) and look for a door/gate labeled "Side Entrance".

That goes into the dungeon version of the instance.

Kommentar von Romire

Hes currently bugged where you cant hand in the quest atm

Kommentar von Babyrabies

This quest may still be an annoying pain, but it might help to understand that this is not actually a raid when you use the correct entrance for the quest, and is actually a dungeon. If you miss something important you can reset the instance and do it again.

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Fragmente der Vergangenheit

Sammelt die Seelenfragmente aus den Gästezimmern, dem Bankettsaal, den Bedienstetenunterkünften, dem Opernsaal und der Menagerie in Karazhan.

	Seelenfragment aus den Gästezimmern (1)
	Seelenfragment aus dem Bankettsaal (1)
	Seelenfragment aus den Bedienstetenunterkünften (1)
	Seelenfragment aus dem Opernsaal (1)
	Seelenfragment aus der Menagerie (1)

Beschreibung

Auch wenn es unsere primäre Aufgabe ist, den Turm aus den Krallen der Legion zu befreien, habe ich eine... zusätzliche Bitte.

Karazhan ist ein Ort, an dem Magie und Geschichte ineinander verflochten sind. Vergangene Ereignisse haben dort schon physische Gestalt angenommen, und solche Gestalten können große Macht besitzen.

Sucht auf Eurer Reise durch Karazhan nach Orten, an denen Erinnerungen sich so verdichten. Diese Fragmente könnten wertvolle Hinweise darauf geben, was wirklich in diesem Turm vor sich geht.

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Belohnungen

Auf Euch wartet eine dieser Belohnungen:

	Violetter Siegelring des Erzmagiers

Ihr bekommt:

Belohnungen

Bei Abschluss dieser Quest erhaltet Ihr:

Wenn du Folgendes im Spiel eingibst, kannst du überprüfen, ob du das schon abgeschlossen hast:

/run print(C_QuestLog.IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(44734))

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Lower Karazhan Dungeon Ability Guide Upper Karazhan Dungeon Ability Guide

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