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Kommentar von X015

As an Affli Warlock you dont need to go by all 3 Phases you can finish it at the 2nd Phase.

Here is a how to (Not my Video/Guide) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiYfvzVnG9s

I did it like that :)

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Kommentar von MysticBard

Karam and his brother Raest, is a reference to Caramon and Raistlin Majere twins from Dragonlance saga.
The Caramon was a warrior and some times portrayed wearing plate armor with "wings" on the head piece and Raistlin a neutral and then an "evil" black robe mage much like he is portrayed in game also.
Caramon also used to call Raistlin, Raist thus Reast here.

Kommentar von osmanerkul

after magetower is constructed i got this quest and another for BM - but i don't know what to do . got killed by Karam's Rising DragonAufsteigender Drache three times.

Kommentar von Feloberto

From what I could muster, phase 1 is simply a kiting phase.
Karam will be mind-controlled by his brother Raest and will gain an attack bonus and movement speed buff, making it mandatory for the hunter to kite him via concussive shot and tar trap.
If you get within melee range of Karam HE WILL ONESHOT YOU.
To make the kiting more difficult, Raest will periodically cast some purple stains on the floor which will slow you down, and you will have to route around them, or disengage to jump across them.
As the fight goes on, Karam will gain stacks of a buff which make him go faster, thus making the kiting harder as time goes by, making it also a DPS race.

Kommentar von flatluigi

This quest starts the scenario that leads to obtaining the challenge appearance for your artifact. Currently, these scenarios are incredibly difficult to the point where it might genuinely be impossible to complete unless you're better geared -- and by 'better geared,' I mean 910-920+ ilvl. Don't expect to make any headway until Tomb releases, is what I'm saying.

It would've been very nice to have the above communicated in-game before you were one-shot and came here to figure out what happened, but oh well.

Kommentar von doomslug

Quick Impressions - Karam edition

This is a game of keep away. he can be stunned, snared, rooted, etc. if he hits you its game over. Dot him up and scoot, pausing every so often . If he catches you, you are 99.9999999% dear unless you have mythic raid gear and way over 3million HP. controlling him is key, which makes sense given the classes on this challenge.

One Caveat - raet will put goo on the floor. It slows you and gives Karam a MASSIVE stacking damage buff. try to keep him out of it. This feels like the first half is an attrition fight - slow and steady

Shadow may want to spec into Mindbender for something to fade dump your aggro onto more frequently for short DPS periods. Mind bomb is super handy too. Aus Spirits or Shadowy Insight may be better than Sanlayn?

Also, when you get tot he hand interrupt phase... shadow we're kinda hosed, since silence is on a 45 second CD. Use mindbomb, try to kill it quick.

Kommentar von Eteryu

I tried this as Moonkin, and it's fairly difficult. A couple of bits of information for those wanting to try this:

As stated elsewhere, this is free your first attempt, but costs 100 Nethershards each successive attempt (and there WILL be successive attempts).
The fight will begin with you kiting around Karam while he slowly gains a stacking damage and movement speed buff. He has roughly 50m HP. He will drop purple puddles on the floor that will slow you by a dramatic amount if you step into them. They're not terribly well-lit, so keep a hare eye out, If he makes contact with you, he will cast Rising Dragon, hitting you for 3 million damage, reduced by any sort of reduction you might have available to you. This is affected by the damage buff, so eventually he will just kill you, even through cooldowns. He is vulnerable to CC such as roots (unsure of stuns, I imagine he could be).
Once he hits 30%, he will go into Purgatory and begin to heal. Raest will start to summon Shadowy Vestiges and Shadowy Fiends, which move slowly towards you. I imagine these mean death, though I haven't been touched. The Fiends will spawn less commonly, alone, but with more health than their tiny brethren. You can also put damage into Raest at this time as he is vulnerable.
Eventually, Karam will finish healing, and Phase 1 begins anew. Raest will no longer be vulnerable. Periodically, throughout the remainder of the fight, Raest will summon Hands from Beyond that have a LONG cast (think upwards of 15s) that will hit you for your health bar and leave you at 1%, so if you've taken any incidental damage, you'll die to this. These only had 5m HP (I think?) so they'd be pretty easy to focus down if you didn't have to keep moving. Try kiting Karam near them for maximum cleave damage if you're a class with that kind of potential.

This is where I died (on the second Purgatory phase) because I had multiple Hands up and with my interrupt on a 45s CD (Solar Beam), I couldn't keep up with the hands and died to a second Hand cast. This might be doable outside of that. Some specific things I did included equipping Sephuz's Secret for the free sprint combined with maximum proc rate (Moonkins, Mass Entanglement lines up with the cooldown, Typhoon does not trigger Sephuz), switching to an AoE build and taking advantage of Stellar Drift to let me cast while moving, and using potions, flasks, and so on. Any heavy movement talents will greatly assist you in this encounter, and good cleave will be well served in Phase 2 with the Shadowy add spawns. If you have more information I can add to this, feel free to let me know.

Kommentar von Smellymeat

This seems either extremely overtuned (i know its supposed to be a challenge but still) i'm a 906 ilvl SP (6/10M NH) with BIS legendaries using the int flask and 375 food along with pots for this particular type of fight and best I can do is make it into what i assume is p3 when Karam "chases you for the last time" and the mage then summons a General Visax looking mob to come chase you on top of everything else. I kept getting into bad situations where my silence was down when another hand would come out to start casting its near one shot mechanic. I hate these types of fights where it appears that classes that do not have a short interrupt cd is screwed as SP's silence is on a 45 second CD. So I'm guessing maybe this is more realistic if I was further into the AP weapon (currently at 42 points) or maybe just need ToS gear i duno, I do have 4 piece (2 mythic 2 heroic) NH gear. So I'm not sure exactly how one is expected to complete this "challenge" as a SP.

EDIT: Finally killed it today around 20ish attempts. Used ToF, Body and Soul, Mind Bomb, LI, AS, Misery, LOTV. A big thing for me is i dotted all the adds up and even taking a hit from the hand spell i would be back to full health in no time. (yes I have 3.7M+ health). When Raeest came up out of his bubble the second time i blew everything i had and kept everything dotted up, i had to soak 2 summoning circles and was able to ignore further hands after that 2nd summoning circle and finish him off. There is alot of RNG/bad luck with positioning in this fight and of course mythic raiders will have the advantage if they can survive hits from the hand spells.

Kommentar von Rizaria

(forgive me for not using links to spells and stuff)

Phase 1, you want to kite karam around and just avoid getting hit while dpsing him to ~35%.
Karam gains a stacking buff the longer he is in combat with you. increasing his movement speed, and damage.
He is subject to diminishing returns so you cant just spam roots or anything every 3 seconds to get distance.
He also appears to be immune to stuns.
at Approximately 35% Karam will become immune and cast purgatory which heals karam to what Ive seen approximately 85% health or so. It appears to be timer based, This starts phase 2

In phase 2, Raest is targetable and will begin casting shadow bolts at you, they don't hurt too much. and he can be interupted. depending on your class(boomkins) i advise against it.
He will also summon 4 or so packs of shadow fiends, these do hurt. you want to simultaneously kill and kite them while also attacking Raest.
The best I've gotten Raest down in this phase is 75-76%, i even used hero in here in an attempt to push him further, it doesnt seem to make a difference.

He'll then go into Phase 1 again with added mechanics
Back in phase 1, Karam resumes chasing you down with his stacking movement speed buff. only thankfully he's not at full health this time.
Raest will now summon creatures called Hand from beyond, they can spawn anywhere on the entire platform, and if youre not quick, will murderize you.
They only have 5 million HP, but they cast a spell called Grasp from Beyond. which deals 4 million damage to you. It appears to be mitigateable to an extent.

once karam hits ~35% again you'll get into a second and final phase 2:
I'd suggest a drums here.
This time, the hands will will still be summoned, and now he summons rune/balls that summon some void guy like general Vezax from Ulduar. They will murder you so ensure you soak this rune.
Once Karam finishes his cast, he will begin chasing you again, but Raest is still targetable. Continue to kite Karam while soaking runes and killing hands immediately. karam is your lowest priority target, just keep him away from you.
When you kill Raest the hands still seem to spawn(maybe a bug?) but you still have to kill karam, no other mechanic will exist. once you kill karam, any active hand will despawn and a portal pops up where you entered.

I wrote this in the hopes that someone can use this info to finish this quest. To be honest, this might not be doable for many until heavily ToS geared. So if you cant finish at this moment, I'd suggest just waiting. it'll be available later.

Through enough different strats using people from Boomkin Discord(a guide ended up being posted for talents and such) I just finished and man was it nerve racking haha.
As a boomkin if you have them available to you, i would suggest running Ekogespenst, Erschaffer von Welten and Sephuz' Geheimnis, with the talent choices of 2,2,1,1,1,1,2. This gives you WoE for burst LS, fancy moveable casting starfalls, and a lot of speed. I pooled Astral Power before first hand came out, Bashed Karam then popped WoE, both dots (4 set buff) spam SS, then LS and more SS as necessary to finish the hand. the next hand I Solarbeamed the hand and bursted it down. Then rinse repeat for every other hand.
This method took me 7 attempts last night to give up, and 5 attempts tonight to finish. Still a tough encounter for sure, but doable with enough skill.
Hope I helped out guys

EDITED using bossfight1's comment after more testing while watching closely proved myself wrong on the puddles!
EDIT for final strats I used to complete as a boomkin(##RESPBREAK##)2##DELIM##Wowhead##DELIM##

Kommentar von Skitziblink

So just in case you were thinking it won't get any harder. After Raest does his 2nd summon a zeptillion adds phase, you get Karam + Hands of death + a new add call Thing of Nightmare. This new add has 104million hp, faster than average run speed and hits very very hard.

Kommentar von KelaniScar

Managed to get this done on my 913 MM Hunter. Video available here.

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Kommentar von dontrike

So I've been trying this for 2 hours now and I've noticed so rather crazy things as a 903 Spriest. In a Boomkin video the gateways have 5 million hp and have a 15 second cast time, but in the Spriest one the gateways have 7 million hp and cast in about 7 seconds, even with a macro to target them they don't seem to have a cast time lower than that.

The gateways can't be feared, stunned, or controlled.
Karam can be silenced, feared, and stunned, as well as Raest.
Dominate Mind can only get the shadowfiend mobs, which makes them not worth it as they still move slower than molasses.

P1 is pretty simple and easy thanks to tentacles allowing you to move while he is slowed, but P2 is quite impossible, with it being different, unless my version of the scenario is bugged or if it is different for Spriests than the other classes, for some reason.

Kommentar von sluggs

903 MM Hunter was finally able to do it. Can only speak on how to do it as MM hunter

You should bring a single target build + drums if you want to cheese this fight. Karam will walk slowly towards you and building a stacking speed and damage buff, NEVER LET KARAM NEAR YOU. After you get Karam to 33% and transition to phase 2 you need to burn Raest and ignore those adds for now. You want to get Raest around 60% before Karam heals back up. Raest has about 75 million health. Use dps cds during this first phase 2.

When you go back into phase 1 you should be aoeing down the adds and interrupting + killing the hands from beyond, if the hand gets a cast off and you dont have defensive cds ready you will probably die.

You want to get Karam to 33% without a hand from beyond being alive. This is when you need to blow hero/drums, dps pot and all your dps cds and nuke Raest down. It is important to have all your cds ready when you transition into the second phase 2. I was able to kill him right before Thing of Nightmare spawned. If you can't dps him fast enough then go and stand in the rune at the last second to prevent the add from spawning.

When I killed Raest though everyone but Karam despawned and he just built stacks quick and murdered me (fun note he was swinging at my corpse and built stacks to 100 before i released). Even though i failed the scenario technically I got credit for the credit killing Raest and was able to get my hidden skin.

Useful macro for this fight

#showtooltip Concussive Shot
/cast []Concussive Shot

If you keep Karam as your focus this will make it so much easier to keep him slowed when swapping to kill nightmare adds and hands from beyond

Kommentar von Roxas147

For the ritual of summoning he spawns you stand in them to make them smaller before they vanished so that big 104m HP guy doesn't spawn.

Kommentar von Firestar1111

as a 881 boomie, cant even do this... waiting for nerf, if it ever comes, need heroic/mythic gear for this? makes me cry

Kommentar von DELLsFan

Yeah ... I'm quite happy with the way my artifact looks now. For the bored, obsessive compulsive, challenge-mode mindet completionists - this quest has your name written all over it! Have fun.

Kommentar von xlwolflxd31

I just recently make it as a boomy 906 ilvl
legendary LATC and OI

http://imgur.com/a/qjZA8 talent build on the img

Kommentar von nandohm

For Affliction Warlocks, seems that Sacrolash's Dark Strike is a must-have... Also Pillars of the Dark Portal is highly recommended; In addition, talents such as Sow the Seeds, Absolute Corruption, Burning Rush and Demonic Circle are very helpful.

Seems nearly impossible to do this with out at least Sacrolash.

Use your mobility to kite around with your portals and safely channel Drain Soul to get Health back from Burning Rush.

Kill hand asap while keeping everything that moves under effect of Sacrolash's passive. Be aware off additional adds that appears during the fight.

If any Warlock Affliction manage to do this without Sacrolash that would be very helpful!

Kommentar von Mctiggs

I just did this as a 906 Balance Druid. I did it as full AoE spec, or http://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/druid/balance/c7AM. 42 points in weapon, with Oneths Intuition and Prydaz, Xavarics Magnum Opus

Key Notes about this build:

Stellarverschiebung will let you cast while moving while under Starfall
Seele des Waldes will let you get cheaper and stronger Starfalls out and Empower your dots
Sternschnuppen will let you gain much needed AsP on the adds that spawn so you can burst Raest.
Oneth's is only strong for getting much needed Starsurges on Raest. You can probably get away with not using it.
Prydaz will potentially let you live through a hit from Karam if you mess up. Not necessary to have.
You may have success taking Feral Affinity for the Movement Speed increase, but I didn't find it necessary.

Phase 1 you'll want to position as far away from Karam as far as possible, but don't let Raest be between you and Karam from the start so you can start kiting in a circle. Karam will slowly move towards you and periodically drop purple pools of stuff that will slow you greatly if you stand in them, so avoid as much as possible. If Karam hits you you will likely take critical if not fatal damage, so you need to stay as far back as possible. Save your other CDs, like Celestial Alignment. Build up AsP to get your first Starfall off. Starfall as he gets close, and start running around him in a circle while regenerating AsP through your normal DPS rotation. Taifun if Karam gets too close, and Phasenbestie to gain distance. Spurt and Reisegestalt also work in a pinch, but Karam will slowly gain a movement speed increase as he continues to walk around, so it's in your best interest to get him down to 35% quickly. Try to position Karam away from the center of the room so you can position yourself on the other side of the room when he wakes up in Phase 3.

Phase 2 will have Raest targetable and Karam sleep, which also causes Karam movement speed stacks to reset. Raest will just chain cast Shadowbolts that do very little damage and spawn packs of mini adds that need to be AoEd down. Don't let them hit you. You'll want to use Trommeln des Berges and Trank der verlängerten Macht and your Himmlische Ausrichtung and burn as much damage into Raest as possible. Note: you can absolutely save DPS CDs for Phase 4, but I felt more comfortable doing it now with out having to worry about other mechanics. You should not need to Typhoon to reset the adds and you should save it in case of bad positioning for Phase 3. Spread your dots and continue to Starfall on top of Raest - Shooting Stars should help with the amount of adds giving you free AsP to continue to Starfall.

Phase 3 will have Karam wake up once more and Raest untargetable. Now you have to deal with Hands from Beyond. These have a 10 second cast that will do 4 million damage if uninterrupted but have about 5 million health. They spawn one at a time and have a relatively large delay between them. Dot them up quickly, and run to the general position where the hands are. Focus the hands with hard casts, and if Karam gets close enough, Starfall so both get hit for good cleave. Try to delay your interrupt as long as possible, and try to interrupt when the cast has less than a second left so you can get as much value out of your interrupt, or if you can least kill it before it gets it's cast off. Once you do interrupt, dots will likely finish it off. Continue to kite and DPS Starfall Karam.

Phase 4 will have Raest wake up and Karam sleep one more time. This is the make or break point of the fight. Eventually Raest will spawn a rune which spawns Thing of Nightmare somewhere in the room. It has 110m HP and will likely two shot your player if it gets in melee range, and it runs very very quickly, as in you can't kite it forever. You can stand in the rune to prevent the add from spawning, but it may not be possible due to poor positioning. On the bright side, The Thing of Nightmares will despawn once Raest is dead, so burn Raest quickly. Karam will eventually wake up during all of this and you have to kill him while continuing to killing and interrupting Hands from Beyond. Once Raest is dead the fight is pretty much yours, just be patient and stay calm and you should win.

Couple of other notes after talking to some guildies:

Bärentatar can really help you out during add phases while Raest is spawning adds.
As of right now, Raest is only required to complete the scenario and obtain quest credit. You technically can end it when he dies and Karam is running around at the end.

Kommentar von Doogyplumm

Finished this last night when mage tower opened after about ~25 attempts. 904 ilvl spriest but ilvl was slightly lower due to Instabiler Arkanokristall. Also ran Zorn des brennenden Himmels to help aoe the adds. You only have to kill the caster to complete the quest even though the scenario says to defeat both. I would recommend running Prydaz, Xavarics Magnum Opus/Sephuz' Geheimnis if you have it for this, maybe swap the Prydaz, Xavarics Magnum Opus for legendary bracers if you have enough gear.

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Kommentar von MitchFizzl

Heads up, I've had this scenario bug out on me more times than not (as Shadow, FWIW). Maybe I'm incredibly unlucky, but on a few attempts, Karam would chase me, but technically had no target the entire time. This meant trying to use Mindbender/Shadowfiend + Fade didn't cause him to stop chasing me, which it should have (and did in non-bugged attempts). He was also clipping through the ground whenever this would happen. So, if you have target of target enabled and Karam seems to have no target, it's bugged and he won't drop aggro even with Fade. Here's a GIF of this happening (apologies for the watermark): https://gfycat.com/TalkativeIdealEyas

The other issue I had happen was multiple Hands from Beyond spawning, then despawning but still casting. This meant invisible Hands from Beyond could cast the Grasp spell and I had no way to stop it or to kill them. I captured this on video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPUguHcefRs Notice that before the visible Hand pops, the game gives warnings for two other invisible hands whose unit frames both appear on the right side of the screen before disappearing.

I'm hoping these get fixed ASAP. I've wiped to bugs more than I've wiped to the scenario itself :\ Good luck, all!

Kommentar von mwiland

*** WARNING WARNING WARNING ***

DO NOT STAND NEXT TO OR GET CLOSE TO KARAM OR YOU WILL BE ONE SHOTTED.

You have been warned.

Kommentar von ewalcacer

Successfully finished this after 6 attempts as an affliction warlock using Sacrolashs Dunkelstoß . I recommend the use of Bärentatar for everybody, it really helps when the ads are up.

Kommentar von FuriousShaman

My main is a frost mage (ilvl 907) and this is challenging for him. I've noticed that if Karam gets close enough to you he will charge at you and pretty much one shot you if you do not have almost 4 mil health. I've tried about six times so far and have not been able to complete it. Hopefully someone more skilled than I can give so more details on how to beat him as a mage.

Kommentar von Kartarius

I am an 897 Frost Mage and I was able to do this easier than I thought.
1. Phase One was the hardest for me. I kited Karam around Raest and kept him slowed, this was the boring part of the fight.

2. In Phase Two I started to make use of my Blizzard and Frozen Orb. Using the reduction on Frozen Orb's cd with Blizzzard and the instant cast Blizzard trait, I was able to have a steady flow of Ice Lances going into Raest.

3. For the last 3 Phases I repeated the Blizzard and Frozen orb combo, this allowed me to keep Karem slowed while I burned him. I made sure to immediatly switch to the hand and burn it with the stacked up Ice Lances I had. Whenever Raest summoned a rune, I stood in it for 3-4 seconds (Until it does the little explosion) and then kept moving.

What I did personally :

-Killed Karem first so he didn't get too fast for me to handle, Raest simply becomes empowered which does little damage. Without Karem no hands are summoned either, only runes from Raest.
-Bear Tartare: With so many adds and constant Blizzard and Frozen Orbs going out, you will kill many adds which will give you a HUGE speed boost (Not my idea, but I recommend it)
-Focus but have fun :)

Talents :

3/1/3/2/1/3/1.

-Knochenkälte was ALWAYS maxed with the endless Blizzards and Gefrorene Kugels.
-Shimmer to help run away from Karem if needed (Eisschollen is also a viable option)
-Fluss des Beschwörers because Spiegelbild's were instantly killed resulting in no damage and there was no time to stand in a Rune der Kraft
-Eiskalte Berührung because with Gefrorene Kugel out almost 24/7 I wanted to make sure I was getting as many Eislanzes as I could
-Eisige Winde due to the extra 15% slow, it helps stay away from Karem SO much more.
-Arktischer Sturm because I casted little to none Frostblitzs (Par Phase One). I could see frost bomb being viable but I wanted the extra slow area as well.
-Finally, with so many Ice Lances, Thermale Leere is a must have, my longest icy veins was around 1 minute, I messed up causing it to be short lived, but you want the extra haste.

Legendaries :

-Sephuz' Geheimnis: The movement speed is VERY helpful when running
-Splitter der Exodar: Allows you to hero about 3 times (With drums) in the fight, extra haste is always good.

I hope this can help some Frost Mages out there!

Your Friendly Neighbourhood Mage,
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Kommentar von Shadus89

Just finished as a 900 ilvl Balance Druid w/ 41 traits after ~25 attempts. My talents were 3-2-1-3-1-1-2 with Versprechen Elunes, der Mondgöttin and Oneths Intuition.

I lost about half of my attempts from being disconnected while trying to cast Taifun along the outer rim. My biggest mistakes were using roots too much and not realizing we can stop the Thing of Nightmares from spawning by standing in the summoning rune.

A few tips I can provide are:

Karam: During Phase 1, just kite around the outer rim. At 40%, I positioned him closer to Raest so that I could be in reach of the Hands of Guldan that spawns.
Raest: I popped drums as soon as he became vulnerable and kept constant pressure on him. Always aim to clip him with starfall.
Hands of Guldan: Have AP ready to BLOW IT UP. As a boomy with a 45 sec cd on silence, I used Sonnenstrahl as a last resort.

Kommentar von thelbronius

Balance druid: A game changer for me was using the shock baton, it has a 50% slow! It also procs all the time =)

Kommentar von Datasnuten

Oh hey, here's a video of how I did it as an affliction warlock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjOC9f90GF0

Legiondaries: Kapuze der ewigen Verachtung, Sacrolashs Dunkelstoß

3/2/1/3/2/1/3

You really don't need sow the seeds as some other affliction warlock here suggested -- you only want to slow the small adds and let them die to permacorruption. They're a non-issue and you actually prefer if some of them are alive so you can get more resources by Agony. A /cancelaura macro for burning rush along with your drain soul is highly recommended.

P0: Put out strategic gateways and portal. Prepot when evil paladin says "I serve".
P1: Just burst him down to 35% and keep your distance
P2: Get far back, so all small adds will clump together. In this phase you barely need to move. Just nuke down evil caster elf.
P3: Evil paladin elf will return. Just keep kiting as usual. Use one interrupt for the first big scary hand unless you can burst it down. Use another interrupt for the second one, or banish it before the cast goes off (the cast finishes while it's banished but doesn't deal any damage), remove banish and kill it.
P4: Hey, remember the easy P2? This is the exact same thing but you need to soak the purple runes that spawn or else big scawy void lords will spawn. Just banish if you fail to soak like I did in my killvid. Ezpz.
P5: Now you face P1-4 combined. Pop all your CDs, drums, pots and nuke the evil paladin while prioritizing hands and soaking runes.

That's all there is to it. Enjoy your shiny new wep! (Ezpz)(##RESPBREAK##)2##DELIM##perculia##DELIM##

Kommentar von Eillesthis

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Kommentar von Sneakyferret

Just completed as a memekin 897 geared.

Legendaries used: Ekogespenst, Erschaffer von Welten and Sephuz' Geheimnis -all the speed!-

Trinkets equipped: Unstetes Metronom (895) and Instabiler Arkanokristall (865)

Weapon (917): 2x Sternschnuppe and Die dunkle Seite des Mondes relics (39 ranks purchased 3/4 into Licht des Abendsterns)

Talents

Naturgewalt: usual memekin based since we will use very few starsurges to allow starlord to benefit us.
Phasenbestie: Emergency get-away or to quickly catch the big add's summon.
Wildheitsaffinität: Extra speed for kiting.
Taifun: Great for giving you some breathing room or pushing Karem/adds away from the big add's summon point.
Rest = typical memekin set-up. Seele des Waldes, Sternschnuppen, Stellarverschiebung

Strategy Used

Phase 1: Karem becomes active. Kite kite kite. Feral Affinity helps alot here and even-more so if you have Ekowraith to buff it a bit further. Constantly keep up starfall while spamming solar wrath on the move. Phase ends at 30%

Phase 2: Karem is deactivated. Raest becomes vulnable and starts summoning packs of adds, with my dps it felt like he will always spawn 3 packs of adds before phase ends. Keep starfall running and dot everything, phase will end once Raest reaches a certain % point (70%?).

Phase 3: Raest becomes invulnable, Karem reactivates. Starting from this phase will either make or break you depending on what dps you can pull. Karem will now spawn a hand of guldan every 25-30 seconds or so, whether you can dps it down fast enough before the cast without having to use up everything will determine your victory. Besides that just keep kiting and phase will end once Karem reaches a certain point.

Phase 4: Karem goes to sleep once more. Deal with Raest just like phase 2 with one last new mechanic. Every once in awhile he will spawn a orb that will spawn a big add. If this add spawns,it will be a guaranteed wipe. To prevent it you just have to stand on the orb for a few seconds until you see a blue? smoke disperse effect. phase ends once Raest reaches a certain %

Phase 5: Both bosses are active + all mechanics will be happening during this phase. Keep kiting via starfall usage, Use drums (lust/hero) + pot if you have not had to use them earlier in the fight to quickly take down any hands that spawn. Solar beam the hands as a last resort, and definitely prevent the big add from spawning. Killing Karem first will prevent any further hands from spawning, afterwards Raest will get a small empowered boost to his damage which felt like it took 3-4%? of my hp per shadow bolt cast while still spawning big add orbs every once in awhile.

Closing Thoughts

With the memekin build and feral affinity, i was easily able to get to phase 4 with no problems every attempt outside the first few learning attempt. Hands can be difficult if you are not prepared for when they pop. It took me 20 attempts and majority of my deaths were either the hand messing me up or just plain forgetting about the big add's orb on the last phase. If you get hit by karem and survive, you can stick around in Raest's phase longer and heal yourself up before pushing. All in all, the fight is a pain and i can definitely see alot of dps specs having trouble with it. Good luck for those working on it and I hope you all can get the skin without too much issue.(##RESPBREAK##)2##DELIM##Wowhead##DELIM##

Kommentar von merenhuiske

Went in, took the first mob to ~50% hp, then he just disappeared

Kommentar von Kreekree

For some reason Karam got bugged for me and he gained a new ability "going through walls and floors" if that happens, die, abandon the quest, pick it up again and it will be fixxed.
Edit: abandoning quest trick doesnt work for me anymore.

Kommentar von tritium4ever

FOR SHADOW PRIESTS - The 900+ ilvl guide to Thwarting the Twins: the 1-phase strat

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8DKEn-bVqQ

So since so many shadow priests are talking about the shadow artifact challenge (on priest forums, Howtopriest, and priest Discord), I figure I'd throw in my 2 cents on an easier way to do the challenge at higher gear levels. It's the 1-phase strat using SL. The benefit to this strat is that it allows you to ignore virtually all of the mechanics of the fight, making it a pure single target dps check.

NOTE: This strat only works at very high gear levels! You'll probably need at least 900+ equipped. I was 904 equipped when I got it done. I do not recommend trying the 1-phase strat below 900 ilvl. Edit: I've had a couple people tell me they had success with this strat at 898 and 899 ilvl.

Talent selection: 1112113 (Schicksalshafte Wendung, Manie, Gedankenbombe, Seelensammler, San'layn, Seele der Macht, )

Stat allocation: Use the typical SL and STM priorities...
- at least 4k crit
- around 8-9k haste
- as much mastery as humanly possible (ideally 10k+)

Legendary choice: Sephuz' Geheimnis is the best by a huge margin (Karam and adds are stunnable and Raest can be silenced), followed by the belt and the shoulders. You should be just fine if you need to use trinket/bracers/helm/cloak/Prydaz, but try to avoid the boots and Twins unless you have no other choice.

Trinket choice: You want pure single target trinkets if at all possible, ideally stat sticks that help you reach the stat requirements above. AoE trinkets like Pharameres verbotenes Grimoire or Zorn des brennenden Himmels will look good on the damage meters but fall flat when it comes to damage on Raest. Use Flüstern im Dunkel only if you must, because a proc at a bad time will get you killed prematurely.

Notes: Karam transitions shortly after hitting 35%. After Raest become active, you have about 40 seconds or so to kill him before he becomes immune and you die.

Video: For those of you who'd rather watch than read, here's my kill video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8DKEn-bVqQ

Strat:
- Position yourself so that Karam is near max range and Raest is between the two of you
- Pop STM and a Prolonged Power prepot just before Karam becomes active
- Do your normal rotation while kiting Karam in a circle, but delay your voidform
- Enter voidform around when Karam is at 75-80%. This depends a lot on your dps...the lower your dps, the earlier you want to enter voidform in order to be able to meet the dps check on Raest. Start at 75% and adjust based on what you're dying to (if you're dying at transition due to a lack of insanity try 72-73%, if you're not doing enough dps to Raest before he goes immune try 77-78%)
- If you have 4pc T19, use Void Torrent after you have done your Void Bolt barrage. If you're not using 4pc (it's not mandatory for this strat), VoiT immediately after entering VF.
- If your second pot is a Prolonged Power, pop it at about 20-25 stacks of VF. If it's Deadly Grace, pop it around 50-55 stacks or when you hit PI (and make sure you're far enough away from the adds to get the 5 second bonus).
- When Karam hits 35%, double-tap SW:D and use drums
- Dot up Raest as soon as he becomes active
- Kite the little adds in a circle the same way you did with Karam
- Use Power Infusion when you feel like you'd be a few seconds away from death without it
- If possible, use Shadowfiend when both drums and PI are up, but only if you're near max insanity (so that the GCD used on SF doesn't get you killed)
- Save your second VoiT for when you need it to avoid dying (typically, this will be around the time your PI drops off)

If all goes well, Raest should die just as you're close to dying yourself. Good luck folks!(##RESPBREAK##)2##DELIM##Wowhead##DELIM##

Kommentar von djslam21

Does anyone know why ice lances hits like 700k ? In raids it hits 1.2-1.4k around ish with 6 stack wrist buff ?

Kommentar von Mera

I finally did it. I don't know how many tries I had, but many. I used sacrolash and the hood, erratic metronome and whispers in the dark. Flask, rune and bear tartare, drums and prolonged power. MG, AC, DC, Sow, BR, GoServ and effigy, The hardest part was getting through the third kiting phase. Use grimoire: felhunter if a portal isn't dying fast enough and starts casting again and is at high health. I saved drums and second potion for the last kiting phase to get %^&* nuked down. Getting the little adds down asap was important, so that I was fast enough at getting the runes soaked without risking my life running too close to the adds. I know that many warlocks have used their pets for soaking, but my felpuppy didn't really seem to like that job. I guess that he feels neglected because I haven't used him in a long time. In many tries I used banish if I had one of the big guys spawn, and also on the portals, but it just seemed to make my life more difficult. Also, try to run in straight lines, because the melee guy likes to get stuck in places and teleport all over the platform if he gets bugged enough. I had one try where he got stuck inside one of the stone pillars, then started teleporting all over the place and disappeared after a while.

Bear tartare was really nice for the run speed buff when little adds or portals died, so that I didn't have to sacrifice a lot of health for run speed.

With my setup I had 904 ilvl, 23% crit 13% haste 120% mastery with all the buffs. It's challenging, and I loved it.

Kommentar von Zutiar

I'm just gonna leave this 1 tip for anyone with a pet for this challenge.
You can use your pet to remove Raest's runes of summoning in phase 3/4

Kommentar von yjesus

Going through some videos posted by MM hunters, I noticed that the HP of Raest and Karam differ in each video. The odd thing though, is that it doesn't seem to have a correlation between the ilvl and the HP.
For me, Raest had 86 mil, Karam had 61 mil and I had 902 ilvl equipped (907 total). I have yet seen a video with Raest over 80 mil hp even for people with 911 ilvl gear.
If anyone can add some info about their ilvl and bosses' hp, maybe we can get to the bottom of it.

Kommentar von Daarj

Just completed this as a 906 equipped Balance Druid, so certainly not the highest geared character, but I do have a few Mythic pieces. I also have 41 traits in my artifact, having just picked up Wax and Wane a few hours earlier. This trait made all the difference. I had something like thirty attempts without it and managed to beat Karam and Raest on the first try with it.

The legendaries I used were Oneth's Intuition and Sephuz's Secret. I also had my 4-piece tier bonus from the Nighthold and used Flask of the Whispered Pact and Bear Tartare for the extra movement speed. This movement speed is very helpful in keeping away from Karam and hardcasting on the hands when they spawn.

Talents I used were; Warrior of Elune, Displacer Beast, Feral Affinity, Typhoon, Soul of the Forest, Shooting Stars and Stellar Drift.

During the first phase, you want to start in the back-left corner as you enter the scenario, next to a fallen cage and pool of goo. Raest should be on your left between you and Karam. Start by casting all of your Moons into Karam, then Typhooning him backwards when he gets too close. If you have the Wax and Wane trait, you can get away with using your AP on Starsurges and spamming Moonfire to build up more AP. If not, I suggest casting Starfall and casting while running through it. I'd save your Celestial Alignment for use on Raest unless you're using the Impeccable Fel Essence, in which case I'd use one in the first phase against Karam, and another against Raest in phase 4.

After knocking Karam down to 33ish% health, he will start casting Purgatory and will stop chasing you. Raest will become attackable and will start casting Shadow Bolts at you. These bolts don't hurt too much, but if you have Prydaz, it can mitigate a lot of the damage. At this point I popped Celestial Alignment, Potion of Deadly Grace and Drums and went to town on Raest, using the free Starfall procs from Oneth's Intuition to kill the adds that spawn.

An important note is to Keep your DoTs rolling on everything. The shadowy adds that Raest summons will only require Sunfire, but if you're using The Lady and the Child, then Moonfire might be worth it too.

After Karam finishes casting Purgatory, he will be healed slightly and will once again begin chasing you. During this time Raest will summon some spooky hands that will begin a long cast. Try and pool about 80+ Astral Power for them. If you are using the Nighthold Tier-Bonus, DoT the hands up as soon as they spawn and dump your AP into them. Two Starsurges will not kill them, but they will be at about 15-20% health, this is where Wax and Wane came into use.

Damage on Karam in this phase does not matter as everytime I did this scenario, Raest only summoned three hands before the next phase happened.

The next phase is a lot like Phase 2, except Raest will place Runes of Summoning onto the ground. These will begin to shrink and when they reach their smallest point, they will summon a fast-moving add that will one-shot you upon touching you. Too stop these adds from spawning, you must stand in the rune before it disappears. As in Phase 2, you should dump all cooldowns and AP you have left into Raest. If your dps is high enough, you should only get one rune before the final phase happens.

The final phase is the toughest and the only way I can suggest doing it is to survive long enough to kill Raest. A good tip is to keep some of the shadowy adds alive in this phase and keep them dotted so when they die, your Bear Tartare gives you a healthy speed boost to keep away from Karam. I personally missed a rune in this phase but Raest was at low enough health that I could Typhoon the rune add and burst down the final 8mil health he had.

That's a rough guide on what happened for me on my successful try, if anybody has any questions, I'll be glad to help with what I can.

Good luck!

Kommentar von 3xul

This is how I did it as a shadow priest:

https://youtu.be/Ahqd7ooyScI

Phase 1:

Kite the Boss around the outer part of the platform to prevent his slow fields from stacking up in the other phases.
If they proc, use your tentacles for getting some distance to the boss, while he is slowed.
Play better safe than sorry and do not risk getting hit, like I did multiple attempts. It is not always possible to bring the cast through.
Sometimes Mind Flay is the better option.

Phase 2:

Go ham on the caster, while trying to stack his adds.
Those adds are a great source of insanity if Mind Flay cleaves into them.
Also place your DoTs on an add every now and then, for fishing insanity (set bonus and spirits) and ToF.

Phase 2.5:

When the Melee is active again, try to stack him up with those adds, that a Mind Bomb can stun them all.
Mind Bomb and those hands have the same spawntimer/cooldown. Pair them, to get a few seconds to nuke them asap.
Since every 30 seconds those hands spawn, you can only interrupt every second of them. Dispersion or the absorb neck legendary are your friends.

Phase 3:

Same as phase 2, try to gather those adds, while playing the hands and letting the boss tick down on your DoTs.
If a rune spawns, you better soak it, otherwise a nasty add spawns. So watch out for your kite path.

Phase 3.5:

Try to bring the melee boss back into that pack of adds, and keep him also dotted.
Your main target is the caster, if he dies, you have won.

Here is also the talents I used: http://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/priest/shadow/cp5z
I found the Mindbender in this case superior, since it will deal its damage, regardless, if you are busy running.

Kommentar von Foamhat

I managed to finish this just now before the tower went down. I only killed Raest and everything else despawned.

Shadow Priest with sephuz/prydaz, 1211221 talents at 904 ilvl equipped with 42 traits. My biggest sticking point was the p2 to p3 transition. I usually had too many little adds up and was not able to stand still and dps Raest enough before he spawned the first rune. To fix that, i began prioritizing the adds more during p2 so that they would all die before i got Karem down to 35% and pushed the phase.

When I finally got a clean 2-> 3 transition, I got the kill before the 2nd rune after using shadowfiend, drums, and a prolonged power. With prydaz, silence, disperse, you can ignore the hand in p3 completely as long as you kill Raest before you're out of cooldowns.

This challenge was one of the more rewarding things I've done in WoW for quite some time. I really do not care about the skin. In fact, I don't even transmog. I only wanted to prove to myself that I could do it the first tower. Good luck tonight for everyone else trying. Best of luck during future towers!

Kommentar von Escuteiro

Attempted this as a iLvL 903 Balance Druid with 42 traits.

Talents: 3, 2, 1, 3, 2, 1, 2

Used Lady and the Child and Sephuz's Secret, Flask of the Whispered Pact and Bear Tartare.

Bear Tartare is the most helpful consumable you can use!

Phase 1 - Karam Magespear
Keep kiting Karam, do not risk getting yourself killed, if you have the 41st trait you can get him to 35% with moonfire and sunfire spam.
Use all the area of the map, you dont want those pools near Raest because they surely don't help when stepping on the Runes!
Use Typhoon and if needed use Entangling Roots to proc Sephuz for that extra movement speed.

If he is going to hit you for any reason use Barkskin, you will survive if you don't fall in the nether!

Phase 2 - Raest Magespear
Pop your cooldowns and get Raest as low as possible, use Starfall so you can move while casting and damage the adds. Try to leave some adds for when Karam starts chasing you again to proc Bear Tartare and get some much needed distance to kill those hands he spawns.

Phase 3 - Karam Magespear
Root Karam if you need, Hands spawn near him so be extra careful, do not let hands finish of the cast. If for any reason you cannot kill them in time you can silence them, with solar beam, pop Barkskin or use Bear Form to survive!

Phase 4 - Raest Magespear
Keep killing the adds so you are always with the much needed extra movement speed. Step on the purple runes on the ground so the extra add does not spawn. If for any reason the add spawns he will die if you kill Raest so keep that in mind.

If you are a Tauren you can War Stomp to keep some adds of you if the are reaching you near the Rune.

Phase 5 - Raest Magespear and Karam Magespear
Keep dpsing Raest, the encounter ends when he is down. Also keep in mind that Hands cast range is 100y and Raest and Karam keep following you. So if one hand spawns far from you and Raest is almost down just run to the other side of the map.

TL;DR: BEAR TARTARE

Video: https://youtu.be/HW7-Yl8QVQU

Kommentar von Truebanana

Hey guys

I just wanted to share my experience with this quest so far. Tried it a couple of times but didn't manage to complete it, but almost. My Hunter has iLVL 886 equipped with the Voodoo Mask and Shaladrassil legendaries.

It's pretty easy to complete the phases until Raest starts summoning the Big adds, where you have to stand in the circle in order to prevent them from spawning.

However, it's essential that you keep Karam away from you, but that's nothing new. That said, I created a Focus Macro in order to keep Concussive shot active at all times:

/cast Concussive Shot

It's pretty easy to complete the first Karam phase before it get's a little bit hectic. Unfortunately, I didn't manage to kill all the little adds quickly, which I highly suggest you to do, in order to have a better overview.

Once the hands start spawning, I prioritised them in DPS matters and created also a Macro to aid me:

/target Hand from Beyond
/cast Counter Shot

Again, you just have to kite Karam with the Macro and prioritise the Hands and you'll be fine in this phase. After the second transition phase it starts to get confusing in terms of Battlefield overview. I highly suggest to kill the little adds in order to keep everything clear. The strategy basically doesn't change, the only addition is, that you have to kite Karam away from the spawning circles and then move into them to prevent the big add from spawning. I tried the Flare tactic to prevent them from spawning, but unfortunately, it didn't work.

If you manage to kill Karam in this phase, it's a cakewalk. Once Karam's dead you only need to kill the hands occasionally and finish Raest off.

I hope this helps some of you and keep the work going on once the Tower's up again. I'll do so ;)

Kommentar von Seramilux

Finally done as an 888 ilvl boomkin! Talents used: WoE - Displacer - Feral aff - Bash - SotF - ShSt - SD. Also used Bear Tartare and Flask of the Whispered Pact, with Pot of Prolonged Power and Drums of the Mountain on phase 4. Legendaries used were Oneth's Illusion and Promise of Elune. I only have 2 set bonus from nighthold, so that was a handicap on hands opposed to having 4 set.

Phase 1:
Kited as usual with stellar drift around the edge of the map until around 30% or so. Bashed and blinked as necessary.

Phase 2:
Popped Celestial alignment and went to town on Raest with SF and SS procs, spending excess resources on SS. Kept Sunfire on adds for extra damage and AP gain.

Phase 3:
After Karam got back in the fight, returned to kiting around the map and bashed him after a couple of seconds. After some tries this stun got pretty precisely timed with the first hand spawn. For the first hand i had pooled Astral Power, dotted up and used Starsurge and Star Fall procs with Warrior of Elune buffed Lunar Strikes and bursted it down. This was the hardest part for me with my item level. Often i had to pop Solar Beam, and with no CDs ready for next hand, Bear Form with Barkskin and instant 20 stack heal from legendary boots were used to soak the damage. I had almost no focus on Karam here, dots and Star Falls where enough to end the phase after usually 3-4 hands.

Phase 4:
Karam sleeps again. Now i popped everything at my disposal, pots, hero, and went to town on Raest once again. WATCH OUT FOR RUNES ON THE GROUND! Soaking the purple runes and orbs are crucial, as the add spawning from an unsoaked rune means wipe. U can see when the rune has been successfully soaked by looking out for some purple smoke and the disappearance og the orb. Got Raest to approx 20 million HP before Karam got into the fight again.

Phase 5:
Here it got tricky, as this phase became my bane for the last 15-20 tries i had. Hands are still first prio. If theres a rune up at the same time, beam the hand and soak the rune, if you cant burst and soak at the same time. I still went full dmg on Raest with Star Falls for aoe and Starsurge for single target. The last seconds i forgot about everything and just focused Raest with pure single target damage for the kill. Everything else, including Karam, despawned after Raest died, this must be a hotfix as of lately.

Finished after probably 50-60 tries over the last 3 days.
Screenshot of gear and ilvl:
http://imgur.com/a/ILazO

Kommentar von mcfry

I completed this just before the mage tower went down as an 897 equipped frost mage, 909 weapon, at 36 traits. I have no frost specific legendaries, so I used Belovir's and Norgannon's Foresight. I think my strategy is probably one of the best, since I had many many failed runs to try and optimize. I would be interested if anyone accomplished it as a frost mage with lower stats.

Talents used were: Lonely Winter, Shimmer, Incanter's Flow, Frozen Touch, Frigid Winds, Arctic Gale, and Thermal Void

First phase: This phase is the easiest, especially since I have Norgannon's. Basically, before the encounter begins you want to run behind the ditch which is behind Raest. You should be far enough back that you can no longer hear the dialogue, which is a nice benefit after you've heard it for the quintilianth time. The idea is that once the dialogue finishes and karam starts running towards you, you'll cast a blizzard in between you and him. This will allow him to run out of the normal fighting area quickly so that he won't drop a purple puddle of slow. You'll continue kiting him as far away as possible, to the ends of the cliff, and then back again, hopefully finishing him off (33%~) about right when you get back. You want to slow him as much as possible and work on getting the timing right so that icy veins is at about 55 seconds or lower. Blizzard -> Frostbolt -> Cone of Cold is your friend.

Second phase: You don't care about damage to the shadow dudes, or to Raest (we're going to kill Karam first in phase 3), at the start of this phase. Actually, you'll want to minimize it to get more procs from orb after Karam comes back up. Just do your normal rotation without any cooldowns on Raest, while casting blizzard whenever it's off cooldown on the shadow dudes. Don't use orb here because you'll want to use it as soon as Karam revives. I tried to get the shadow bros as close to Karam as possible during this part of the phase because it allows the blizzard to hit him right when he revives (so he doesn't rush at you and !@#$ your day). As soon as he revives pop your potion, icy veins, and orb. Potting is best for this part because it helps you to keep icy veins extended into the next phase, which is absolutely vital to killing it (with low gear). Begin kiting around until the first hand spawns, throwing ice lances whenever possible into Karam. It's absolutely vital that you cast blizzard and frost orb EVERY time they come up off cooldown. As soon as the first hand spawns, cast an Ebonbolt shatter combo into it, which should pretty much just kill it, you might not even need to interrupt it. You will want to use all future Ebonbolt shatter combos on hands whenever possible, it seriously can't be overstated just how useful it is in getting them down quickly so you can focus on kiting. Go back to kiting and doing damage to Karam. A second hand will spawn after a bit more, kill it, more damage to Karam. If you do everything correctly, and keep good damage on Karam, you should be able to phase him (Karam to ~33%) before the third hand. If the third hand comes up, don't panic, all is not lost. I had some good attempts even with a third hand coming up, just kill it as fast as possible so you can get back to Karam. As soon as Karam goes invulnerable, pop lust and do everything possible to extend icy veins. If you do everything correctly, you should be able to keep it ticking throughout lust (during phase 3) and a little after. And then your icy veins cooldown will be ready again shortly after with that fat 20% damage again.

Third phase: Continue doing the same thing, except make sure to pay attention to runes. The number of times I missed a rune is honestly embarrassing. You are paying attention to a lot of things, especially if your gear is low, so it can be hard. You only need to stand in them for about a second, which is pretty useful information. Cone of Cold and Frost Nova are both very helpful if you get a bad ring spawn that's close to enemies. Although I haven't typed much, and this phase is mostly an extension of phase 2, it's honestly the hardest just because you're going to be on edge to scrape out as much damage as possible. If your gear sucks, eventually you're going to get to a point where doing damage to the hands is just not worth it, and if you continue to do so, you will wipe. I forget how many this was for me, not even sure I was counting, but at this point you're just going to interrupt one of the hands right before it finishes and then ignore it. Go back to attacking Karam. After he spawns another hand, you should be able to time your ice block so that it blocks the cast of both of the hands. As soon as they both go off, get out of ice block, and attack Karam. Once you kill him, all of the hands will despawn regardless of whether or not they are casting! This is a nice little trick. If you're alive at this point, just continue to step on runes while you dps Raest; the fight is pretty much over. Gratz on your sick new weapon bro dude.

Hope that helps somebody!

Edit: Adding a picture which confirms (loosely) some of it now that I have enough reputation to link it https://imgur.com/a/A4l6U

Kommentar von Kanuton

OK, so what all the post here seem to be saying, this is an insane quest! you need a very high level, specific talents, specific class, etc., etc. If someone can tell me how to do this as a group, I'm in

Kommentar von Ayaavernus

I was able to complete this quest as a Balance Druid back when the mage tower first went up. This is my first time writing a guide, but I figure it might be of some use to people if they're struggling.

My Gear and Legendaries:

My item level was 901 at the time. I used Cinidaria der Symbiont and Versprechen Elunes, der Mondgöttin, and I had my four-set tier bonus. My trinkets were: Unstetes Metronom (885) and Gespeicherte Entladung des Sturmsängers (890). My weapon was at item level 924, and I just completed Mondzyklus. For this trial, I strongly recommend having at least completed Licht des Abendsterns. I don't believe you truly need it to complete the challenge successfully, but it made the whole thing much, much easier on me during my run through).

Talents/Helpful Abilities:

Krieger der Elune: Warrior of Elune offers tremendous burst potential, which is invaluable from phase three onwards.
Phasenbestie: This is interchangeable with Wilde Attacke, though I found Displacer Beast more useful in the circumstances I needed it for.
Wildheitsaffinität: The tooltip doesn't communicate this well, but the movement speed increase applies to your character in any form. I recommend picking it up for the extra kiting potential, especially if your dps output isn't all that high.
Taifun: This is invaluable for clearing space if Karam or the adds become too much of an issue. During my attempt, I used it as a way to clear them off runes and build gaps between hands. Note: This is pretty much the only talent at this tier that has an impactful effect on the fight. Mächtiger Hieb is situationally handy, but I don't recommend taking anything that requires you to get close enough to risk being hit by Karam, and it does considerably less to keep adds under control. The roots talent is virtually useless on this fight, as consistent damage will break the snare quickly.

The rest of my build were those of the typical 'memekin'. This is not a fight you can complete while running single-target talents, even with high-end gear. Note as well that my racial abilities gave me a tiny bit of an advantage during the kiting portions of the fight, as Worgen get Finstere Pfade. Trolls can also use Berserker if/when they need an edge with bursting.

Recommended Strategy:

Phase One: After a bit of roleplay, the fight begins. I recommend pre-potting when Karam says, 'I... obey'. This phase is straightforwards -- kite Karam around until you can reduce him to about 35% HP. Try to keep a healthy distance between him and you, as his melee is almost always a guaranteed one-shot. I started next to the pool on Raest's right (facing where you zoned in) so that I could kite him all the way around the edge of the Island. It helps quite a bit!

(Note: The value he reaches before transitioning is a little inconsistent. I had pulls where he went down at 35%, and others where he went as low as 31%. In both cases, stay clear of him until the invulnerability graphic is fully active. He can melee you before the ability registers).

Phase Two: Karam has gone invulnerable and Raest will activate. He's simple as far as mechanics go, as he'll rotate between casting low-damage shadowbolts and summoning adds throughout the whole phase. Positioning is very, very important here. Try to place yourself so that his adds have to run next to or through him while you dump starfalls on his head. This pools a lot of damage, which I consider critical during this part of the fight. The more health you can shave off Raest while his mechanics are fairly simple, the less you have to worry about in phase five. Because of this, I used drums and my second power pot, as well as Himmlische Ausrichtung to help burn him down as far as I could.

This phase is based on a timer, rather than HP. You'll get about 40 or so seconds to do as much damage as you can before moving on to phase three. You'll be able to tell when he's about to shift phases after he summons his third wave of adds. You'll have somewhere around 10 to 15 seconds. I recommend trying to avoid much single-target damage on the adds, as you can use them to help generate extra astral power via Sternschnuppen. It comes in handy! When the phase transitions, Raest will become invulnerable again. Karam, who has healed to about 64% of his total health, will get up and begin chasing you again.

Phase Three: During this phase, Karam chases you just like he did before -- only, this time, he's gained a new ability. Periodically throughout the phase, he'll summon adds called 'Hand from Beyond'. These are a priority when they activate, as they immediately begin a 20 second channel that deals around four million damage. It is possible to survive one cast in Bear Form with Barkskin, but doing so will leave you on perilously low health, so I recommend doing so only if you absolutely have to.

The key to getting past this phase is managing your burst. If you can keep consistent damage on Karam while bursting down the hands, you should have no problems at all. I found rotating Krieger der Elune and Sonnenstrahl really helped. Time the latter right before the hand finishes casting, so you can maximize up-time.

Once you've pushed Karam back down to 35% health, he'll start the transition to phase four.

Phase Four: Much like phase three, this part of the encounter pretty much mirrors most of phase two. This time, however, Raest has gained a new ability -- during the fight, he'll throw down runes. They look like large purple rings with a floating orb above their center. You have to stand in these for two seconds before they activate, or they summon an add that will kill you. From here on, placement is key. Keep the adds clustered near Raest for starfall damage and try to make sure you've always got a route to any runes that spawn. Just as before, when Karam reaches 64% of his HP, he'll activate again and begin phase five.

Phase Five: Both Karam and Raest are active during this phase, and all of their abilities are in play. You'll have to kite Karam while dealing with hands and runes on time, as well as a steady stream of adds. The best I can advise here is to keep the adds clustered together around Raest and push as hard as you can. Try to save Warrior of Elune and Solar Beam for the hands in this phase, but ultimately, your goal should be killing one of the bosses. Killing one will remove their mechanics from play -- though bear in mind, you only need to kill Raest to get completion credit.

Save your displacer beast and typhoon cooldowns for the runes if you need them. If you've got a solid means of self-healing, it's okay to sponge a cast from the hands.

Conclusion:

The biggest challenge of this fight is mastering positioning -- it was ultimately what allowed me to succeed. It's a pain and some of the mechanics, like the hands, will definitely trip you up if you aren't prepared to deal with them. They've a solid slab of health, and they can overlap if you don't kill one fast enough. If you have legendaries like the ones I listed above, use them as something of a safety-net. With all the healing I was getting, I probably could've soaked a cast or two with defensive CDs. Above all else, keep calm and keep adds under control, and the fight shouldn't give you much trouble.

Hope this helps!

Kommentar von Diodor

@Balance druid
Challenge went from insanely hard to almost a complete joke now that Blizzard changed quest requirement to only kill one of them instead of both. Did it as 900 ilvl boomy but its completely duable even with lesser gear or special items like lego ring/neck as long as you can dps the hands in time. Just pool AP and save moons when hands spawns, save beam/typhoon when things go side ways. Other than that arm yourself with bear tartare and dont focus small adds at all. You will have small sprint windows throughout the entire fight by killing them with dots/starfalls.

Kommentar von PriestJohnBig

Teufelssaurierschockstab
Runzelwurzel von Eichenherz

These pretty much trivialize p1

Kommentar von Thetanner123

So I just completed this on my 907/903 MM Hunter. This is how *I* did it, and it is probably not the only or best way, it is just how I personally did it.

My armory link will be below so you can check out my gear/talents.

Some basic stuff you will need: Potion of Prolonged Power's, Drums, Flask, Augment Runes (If you want, I personally didn't use one on my kill attempt), and lots of nethershards.

This took me ~15-20 attempts.

Phase 1: I usually prepot as soon as Karam says "I...obey". I will already have a tar trap right at his feet waiting for him to run into. Concussive shot immediately and throw down a binding shot very shortly after for him to run into. CONCUSSIVE SHOT IS YOUR BEST FRIEND WITH KARAM. KEEP IT UP ON HIM CONSTANTLY. You can take your time with this phase, as there are no adds that spawn. But DO NOT let him touch you, or else you will die. During the first phase you can also use binding shot, tar trap, and in emergencies, bursting shot (Unless you have the bracers, then you can do that from a distance). You can also use freezing trap in an emergency to kind of reset and regain distance from him. At around 34%, he will become immune, and Raest will become active.

Phase 2: As soon as Raest becomes active, I will use drums, Trueshot, and another prepot if I got lucky and it got reset. The objective here is to nuke him down as fast as possible, and get him as low as possible. Don't worry about killing the voidlings, you will just AoE them down over time. About now I will also pop Exhiliration, if my health is below 90%, because with all the adds you are about to kill it will get reset fast. However, DO NOT let the adds touch you, as they hurt a lot. You don't reeeaaalllyyy need to worry about slowing them or anything, because they don't move very fast, but if they get too close it wont hurt to drop a trap or a binding shot. after a little bit of time, Raest will become immune, and Karam will start chasing you again.

Phase 3: This is essentially the same as Phase 1, but you have voidlings chasing you, and the Hands that spawn every now and then. Once a hand spawns, you need to either freeze/binding shot Karam so that you can stand still for a few seconds. I usually can get off an aimed shot and a Windburst before interrupting the Hand. YOU NEED TO INTERRUPT IT, or else you will die. After you interrupt it, you can casually dps it down. You NEED to be paying attention to Karam in this phase, because he could sneak up on you. Again Concussive Shot is your best friend. Damage Karam when you can to get him down to around 34% again, but the Hands are your main priority for interrupts and dps. At around 34% health, Karam will become immune again and Raest will become active.

Phase 4: ANY cooldowns you have should be popped right now. The main objective of this phase is to kill Raest as fast as possible. Hands are still the priority, as they will kill you. Occasionally, Raest will spawn runes on the ground, stand on these for a few seconds if you can to prevent another mob from spawning that will one shot you. In the even that one does spawn, I believe that you can freezing trap it, and just try not to break the trap. Eventually Karam will start chasing you again, but don't worry about damaging him, just keep Concussive shot up on him. I had watched a video where Karam needed to be killed even after Raest was dead, however, this was not the case for me. I killed Raest and the encounter was over. Karam snapped out of his corruption and it said I had completed the quest.

So, all in all, make sure you keep CC up on Karam at ALL TIMES. Focus Hands and make sure to interrupt them, stand on Runes for a few seconds so the big ass monster doesn't spawn, and burn down Raest when possible. Feel free to message me in game or leave a comment here, and I will try to respond if I am online or check back on this thread. Hopefully this helps, and good luck to you all!

Armory link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/tichondrius/Douinbumbum/advanced

Kommentar von beeru67

Just did it as an 890 boomkin with the usual aoe setup+oneths and sephuz. I repeatedly messed up the hands and kept dying to those. However dropping a starfall on it with moonfire and starfire giving you stellar empowerment makes a huge difference. Thow in a moon or starsurge and it'll come down in a second. Good luck :)

Kommentar von tpla

I've written an guide outlining a (relatively) low-risk approach for hunters here.

Kommentar von DimaKozlov

903 mm hunter here , just a few tips to give:
1.you can use your frost trap it works on karam but not on full duration , also works on the big adds that spawn at the end that one shot you.
2.he is stunable , use your binding shot
3.if you have the belt , use it to your advantage , usually when you finish karam alot of adds come near reast open all cd's drums etc get 20 stacks of the belt from like 2 or 3 casts of multi shot and you'll get 6m or more crits on raest ( depends on your gear ofc ) , you will get him to atleast 50% easily.

if you cant get reast to 50% atleast the first time karam is starting to heal , no point in going on cause shortly after the second time the big add spawn .
you can however frost trap him if you are really close to the kill

Kommentar von Kieyr

Just did this on my Affliction lock with 894 ilevel (with Sacrolash).
Moving your pet on top the Rune of Summoning in the last phase, is probably the biggest tip I can give, outside of using your Demonic Circle and Gateways efficiently. You can Banish the hands, but do try to kill them before the 2nd cast.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkcYWRcNy-0

Kommentar von SpakyTwo

Empowering Trait Questlines
There are seven questlines, providing variation among roles and specializations. You can pick up this quest after earning 35 traits on an artifact weapon. The quest starts from Die Verheerte Küste: Untersuchung der Legion and Khadgar encourages you to find Mysterious Runebound Scroll from a random mob on the Broken Shore. Which gives you Legion Threat: Suramar and then Legion Threat: The Necromancer

This is a guide for the other specs.
www.wowhead.com/empowered-artifact-traits-in-patch-7-2

This is a macro to check your progress in the quest chain after you have acquired the spec specific quest.
(Twisted Twin is not in the macro as it already 245 characters long)

/run for k, v in pairs({Message=45185,Secrets=45187,Wisdom=45188,Thinnest=45190,Rending=45192,Behind=45193,Gift=43568,Thwarting=46127,Raest=45910}) do print(format("%s: %s", k, IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(v) and "Done\124r" or "\124cffff0000Need\124r")) end

Erzmagier Karlain will give the quest the Twisted Twin which is spec specific. The specs for this quest are Shadow Priest, Affliction Warlock, Marksmanship Hunter, Balance Druid, and Frost Mage

The quests for this chain are as follows
Botschaft aus den Schatten
Geheimnisse der Schattenseite
Die Weisheit des Rates
Die dünnste Stelle
Reißende Runen
Einen Schritt hinterher
Eine Gabe der Sechs
Zwillinge bezwingen
Raests Geschenk

Kommentar von matthewgeraldfre

Is it worth it. It seems like an awful lot to do for an artifact appearance.

Kommentar von gt86guy

Completed just now as 900 Boomkin after somewhere around 20-30 attempts.

Legendary Items:
Emerald Dreamcatcher
Lady and the Child

Trinkets:
Erratic Metronome
Whispers in the Dark

Talents:
Force of Nature
Displacer Beast
Restoration Affinity(to allow me to be a little sloppy with the smaller adds)
Typhoon
SotF
Shooting Starts
Stellar Drift

Stats: (not using 2/4pc set bonuses)
3.59M HP
45kInt
23% Haste
73% Mastery
3% Vers
Rank 43 on the Scythe

Buffs:
Potion of Prolonged Power x2
Bear Tartare
Flask of the Whispered Pact

Strategy:
Phase 1: Stood as far back on the ledge behind you once you spawn, used a pre-pot once Karam said "I... obey." Used Force of Nature dumped as much damage as I could into Karam before he got close to me, then tried to kite in a triangular shape around the middle platform to allow as many straight lines as possible. Using Starfall and spamming wrath, I would place the Starfall just out of my range I would cast Moonfire to use a GCD while I moved into the Starfall.

Phase 2: Celestial Alignment/Berserking/Polonged Power and tried to cleave off of Raest as much as possible. Save Typhoon if possible, if not possible save it for the 3rd set of adds to spawn so it hits two sets at the same time. I was able to get Raest to about 60% before he went into Phase 3.

Phase 3: Used entangling roots immediately on Karam to give me time to clean up the adds and gain more separation while I waited for the first Hand to spawn. Used Force of Nature and dump Starsurges into the hand to hopefully get it down. You really need to keep on your feet for the adds, try not to use both Solar Beam and Force of Nature on any single Hand or else you might not have the DPS to kill the next one. Only focused on doing damage to Karam between adds, thankfully I was able to get it in to Phase 4 right before I got a 3rd Hand.

Phase 4: Keep your eyes out for the purple runes on the floor, you must stand in the rune as it expires in order to not get an add, sometimes I would have to blink right at the last second to keep them from spawning. As long as there isn't a hand or a rune just focus on cleaving off of Raest for the speed buff from the Bear Tartare as you kill the smaller adds. I accidentally let him summon the big add but I just kept on running and doing as much damage as possible to Raest. At the end I got hit once by the big add but survived and just used my interrupt on the Hand while I pretty much Moonfire Spammed Raest for the win right before I would have died. Once Raest dies all of the other adds and Karam despawn and you win.

Lots of RNG and luck, but with practice you'll start figuring out what works for you.

Kommentar von Kendjey

as mm hunt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIBdQ8KKelw&t

Kommentar von Califree

Raest keeps one-shotting me (MM Hunter) for almost THREE MILLION with his "Rising Dragon." I'm giving up on this until I have better gear. Only 873 right now, so I obviously need more protection/mitigation. (I know, I know. It was a joke.) I have not yet completed this quest, but the main thing seems to be to RUN AWAY from Raest -- while shooting him -- to keep from being one-shotted.

I'm going to need a lot more Nethershards. :P

Kommentar von TonyTheHorse

This is BS! If you're under 900 you can't solo. If you put together a few people in a group, the game won't let you in! WTF?

Kommentar von jobo98

Okay, im about to blow everyones mind with a neat "trick" for this encounter that makes it about 1000 times easier.
Be anything other than frost mage (sorry), and use either a fear or knockback on Karam when he casts purgatory (the actual cast, not the channel)
This will cancel his purgatory and cause him to no heal. He will however still be untargetable, and he will actually start chasing you while he is untargetable. He can however be hit by spells that dont directly target him, like Multi-shot (which can apply Hunters Mark,which allows you to use Marked Shot), Sunfire, and Starfall. After 35 seconds, the alert will pop up that he starts chasing you again. Since he is at 33% HP (or optimally less) he will instantly cast Purgatory, therefore it is extremely important that you are very close to him so you can instantly interrupt it. At this point, i used the slow moving adds to funnel as much damage as possible into Karam, so that when he "starts chasing me" again, he would be at so low HP that he will die before any hands spawn, or atleast before they manage to cast.
At this point youve killed Karam, just quickly kill the small adds, then pump as much damage as you can into Raest while making sure to stand in the runes. And there you have it. He is dead and you can go and get your juicy appearance.
I discovered this on accident while trying to do it on my Boomie, after 2 attempts of interrupting him intentionally, i got the skin, with 898 ilvl, Prydaz+wrists (any damage legendary would be preferred over Prydaz, but i just didnt have any others)
Then i decided to try it on my Hunter, ive only played about 3 hours of MM in Legion, so i quickly had to get the weapon to 35, so i could do the challenge. After 10 attempts, i got it with 895 ilvl, 2 BM legendaries, and almost 0 knowledge of how MM works
Now, i will say that this really feels like a bug, and it might get fixed at some point, but until then, good luck ;-)
Hopefully this will help some people to get the skins

Kommentar von Tengwar

Nice guides. Now can someone tell me where to go?

Kommentar von Ishypoo

Easiest strat for the scenario.
I was ilvl 896 when I completed it.
Talents I used are the following:
Tier 1- Malefic Grasp (you can also use Writhe in Agony if you can maintain uptime)
Tier 2- Absolute Corruption (Contagion is also a good one if you can manage getting a few off while kiting, I prefer Asolute Corruption due to the fact constant dmg ticking on the adds)
Tier 3- Demonic Circle
Tier 4- Siphon Life (Soul Harvest is another good one)
Tier 5- Burning Rush is a must you can keep uptime 100% of the time
Tier 6- Grimoire of Supremacy
Tier 7- Soul Effigy
I was fortunate to have the Lego ring that slows but I had gotten the scenario to 3rd phase before I had gotten the lego ring.
Legos I had on kill were and
The Strat I used:
I pre-pot when Karim starts I...Obey
Phase 1> Kite Karam around till he hits 35% utilizing your demonic circle and gateway and keeping uptime on agony 100% on effigy and Karim
Phase 2> Phase 2 I would put dots on Raest then seed one add and break it to spread corruption while keeping agony uptime on effigy. When Karim is active again I dot him up as well as refresh the dots on my effigy as well. When the first hand come out I doted it up and then interrupted. I try to interrupt their casts about midway that way the dots are starting to sink in. Once the hand dies I turned my focus on Karim to burn him down a chunk of health. and would switch back and forth towards the hands apon spawn to get dots up before half way mark on his casts. Now before I go to the hands I do refresh agony on both effigy and Karim to keep the 10 stacks. Also a good note that I did was try and not kill Karim before a hand spawns I try and kill him after a hand to not have a hand going into 3rd phase.
Phase 3> Once phase 3 starts I dot up Raest then refresh agony on the effigy and seed the adds. Now the new mechanic in this phase is the circle. If you don't stand in it a demon with about 101mil health spawns. This was my struggle for the longest do to RNG BS. I had figured out a way to get that mechanic to be a joke. You simply just use the "Move To" command for your demon and tell them to move to the circle. Literally makes that mechanic a joke. Now with that being said you still need to be watching for them because if one gets out not the end of the world because you can banish but if 2 your !@#$ out of luck. but yea. So once Karim is targetable again I dot him up while keeping dots on effigy. Once the first hand comes out I burn it as fast as I can once its dead I pop drums my other potion and burn the living crap out of Karim utilizing the demonic circle and gateway. once the new hand comes out I just follow as before burn hand fast and focus more on Karim while still looking for the circles to not have the big demon come out. Bassically in phase 3 your main goal is burn Karim fast. Once he dies no more hands but you still have to worry about the circles.... OH WAIT just make your demon walk to them and that mechanic doesn't matter anymore. Also a good note is to have them walk to the center. and if your having trouble keeping your demon alive put your demon to stand in the center next to Raest.
I do hope this strat helps people out a bit :)
Also bear this is the first strat I have ever put out for anything :)

Kommentar von Moontessa

Did it just now as ilvl 904 frost mage.
Generally, agree with the tips already mentioned, only some additional comments.

Legendaries: Sephuz' Geheimnis and Magtheridons verbannte Armschienen. First one helped to move, second ensured that I was actually dealing damage.
Significant talents: Einsamer Winter, Eiskalte Berührung, Arktischer Sturm, Thermale Leere
Trinkets: I used ilvl 870 Instabiler Arkanokristall and ilvl 895 Flüstern im Dunkel, but imo just use what maximises your single target damage.
Food: Bärentatar
Weapon: completed all the traits and the first rank of Einigkeit der Legionsrichter

Since no Shard, distributed my cooldowns as following:
- pre-cast Blizzard, pre-pot Trank der verlängerten Macht, Schwarzblitz and Eisige Adern before Hagel on pull. The goal is to drive Karam below 35% HP and position him on the side away from the entrance portal direction;
- in phase 2, when Karam starts chasing again, used Zeitkrümmung after killing the first hand to get Karam down asap. In-between nuking him killed the second hand and then finished the third one once he was back to healing;
- in the last phase, used Eisige Adern again + second Trank der verlängerten Macht once Karam started chasing once more and tried to kill him asap again.

I decided to focus on Karam because I lacked damage to kill Raest directly and run around to kill hands and stand on runes all the time. The key is to keep the Gefrorene Kugel + Blizzard combo always up, so that procs and Eisige Adern are always up, otherwise it's almost impossible to destroy hands, as mentioned above. It actually required some willful decision from me because I tended to panic and focus hands all the time, don't do that! Whenever blizzard is up, cast it on smaller adds. I also interrupted hands at around 60% of their cast.
Once Karam is dead, Raest is a piece of cake, just stand on runes when they spawn. Well, for me it wasn't exactly a piece of cake, because I had only 600k HP left and was cycling between 150K and 700K, and was literally saved by my 2.4% leech to finish the boss while having only 200k myself. I won't lie, it took a lot of persistence, a bit of luck and tons of tries to literally crawl to that point, but I like the weapon appearance very much.

Some bugs worth mentioning: Karam's hit might knock you to some interesting places. For example, a tree. If you end up surviving and on a tree, he will charge you there. If you manage to survive by jumping down, the boss is attackable for a few more seconds, and then the fight resets. Quit the scenario and start over.
One more important thing to note, if you freeze (e.g. with Frostnova) Karam in the middle of him attacking you and dodge the attack by blinking or running away, Karam breaks the root and also loses all the chilling debuffs. Basically, he just charges you. It is very annoying, be ready to react quickly.
Another bug, which I spotted only once, I managed somehow to blink inside one of those green pools on the each side of Raest. I am not sure how it happened, jumping out of it was time consuming, so try to avoid blinking in their direction, just in case ;)

Good luck and hope this comment will be helpful!

Kommentar von neilcarberry

This is utter bull!@#$! no idea why but i have 37% crit strike and i almost NEVER get them! without that the whole thing is literally impossible! i started this quest line at ilvl 897 now im 905 its still impossible! all potted and fooded up! ONCE i got raest down to bout 3% hp ONCE! out of literally 60-80 tries (kinda lost count)

Kommentar von Regalingual

I managed to do this earlier today as a 918 Frost Mage.

Like others suggested, I ate some Bear Tartare, flasked, and went with Lonely Winter (and Thermal Void); I went with Soul of the Archmage and Sephuz's Secret for my legendaries, though Soul largely wound up being irrelevant on my successful attempt.

Basically, you want to blow most of your CDs (except Time Warp) when Karam goes hostile, and try to get him down within a minute or so. While he's recovering, you want to get in as much damage as you can on Raest, ideally down to at least 75% or so before he goes immune again. When Karam becomes active, you want to kite him and all the little adds around with Frozen Orb + Blizzard, interrupt the Hands that spawn ASAP, and Ice Lance spam them down; in a pinch, you can use Ice Block to weather the damage, but you should ONLY do this if you have a decent amount of distance from Karam.

When Karam starts to recover for the second time, you want to unload EVERYTHING you still have on Raest (including Time Warp). This is the part of the fight where a fair amount of luck is involved, since he can be a jerk and spawn the runes you need to soak that summon the giant adds right in melee range of the little ones. When Karam finishes recovering this time, you just want to keep kiting him around the room while you focus on bursting down Raest. The encounter completes the moment he's dead, thankfully.

Kommentar von Khalexinia

I just made today this challenge, killing caster on phase 2, i recomand Shepuz's, Sentinel Medallion from sisters, set of 2 pice from tos and crows in talents + lock'n load. at 920 i managed to kill it with burst on phase 2. For Shepuz's use biding shot on mobs to activate that haste.

Kommentar von RolandAllen

Better late then never.
I successfully do the challenge today (2017.08.07.) as a 913 ilvl MM hunter.
Keep Karam in your /focus and use the macro from sluggs comment:
#showtooltip Concussive Shot
/cast

Save your CDs, potion and Drum for the first Raest phase and if you are lucky and RNG is on your side, you can burst down Raest to 25-30%.
Talents: 1313133
Trinkets: Angelaufenes Schildwachenmedaillon and Konvergenz der Schicksale.
Legendaries: Ullrs Federschneeschuhe and Seele des Meisterjägers.
Consumables: Fläschchen des Siebten Dämons, Besudelte Verstärkungsrune and Delikatessenplatte der Nachtgeborenen (as usual)
Good luck fellow hunters!

Kommentar von Shadow4ce

Hello there Umami here!

Just wanted to add that I managed to do this with pure kiting, my portal bugged out on the run I cleared it with and I used coil instead of Demonic Circle. This will not be possible without the ring which I managed to get the day before the Mage Tower was erected.

The talents I went with were from top to bottom in optional order each with their own reason, I can clarify as to why if anyone were interested.

The order was 3,2,2,1,2,1,2.

My item level is (cleared it about 20 mins ago) 903 at the time of posting with no set bonuses OR Concordance unlocked.

Tips I would give that I never saw anywhere else is to keep adamant eye on the runes since if they spawn the faceless mob it had a tendency to target kill my Doomguard, this killed me couple times due to me mistiming a banish a couple times and right when I was engaging a hand my Doomguard died without dropping the silence. This of course is mitigated perfectly if you don't screw up on the runes.

Secondly, a trick I picked up was kiting Karam around the edges during the first phases so I didn't get too many pools in the center, when he was nearing 35% I kited him up and prepared for phase 2.

An extra observation, Raeste also seems to ONLY spawn runes on the "plated" area in the center, this is why I started kiting Karam up again.

Kommentar von keenkangaroo

/tar Hand

Kommentar von superpaul

Affliction Warlocks WITHOUT Sacrolash's:

I just completed this as an Affliction Warlock (Superpaul-Mal'ganis) at 924 ilvl

Talent: 2/2/2/1/1/2/1

The reason I went mortal coil instead of demonic circle is because mortal coil was more consistent in throwing more UA's at Raest post-intermission. The goal was to nuke Raest with as much UA's as possible.

I also went Phantom Singularity over soul harvest because the extra dot helped with nuking Raest. And a 2 minute cooldown for Soul Harvest was not reliable in phase 5

Grimoire of service is what I used for an extra silence and an Infernal stun. But looking back, I would have gone Supremacy for Cripple. Cripple is very very strong.

The reason I went Death's Embrace over the other two is because once you get Raest out of intermission, and you have a TON of adds and all this mechanics flaying everywhere, my immediate goal was to nuke Raest down.

To start:

Stand on Raest with Voidwalker/Infernal in defensive stance in opening. He will punt you away, then will aggro your pet. Watch your agro, build artifact stacks, and slowly burn down Raest. I put Raest in a corner for phase 3.

He goes into purgatory at around 33%, then his brother Karam summons the adds. Summon felhunter/Doomguard. I put seed of corruption and some agony to maintain 5 shards. Once Purgatory ends, I blew my artifact and dumped Ua's into Raest. If you can, try to make him walk into your seed pile so when they die, they will explode on him for extra damage. Now, the key here is BEAR TARTARE. I will emphasize that for those who don't have Sacrolash. BEAR TARTARE. I will say it a third time, BEAR TARTARE. After wiping over 50 times, using this food buff was the key. Once the small adds die, Raest will have a difficult time chasing you. Once you get some distance, keep dumping UA's.Make sure you obviously spell lock the
Hands.

Raest goes back into Purgatory, adds pop out, and a RUNE comes into play this time. Now key with the rune is to make sure you don't preemptively stand in it because it has a long time before it finally touches down. If you wait on the rune until it finishes, chances are the adds will collapse on you. So I would give it a few seconds before it finally touches down to stand on it. Just kite around it until then.

Purgatory ends, Raest comes back, hands come out, rune comes out. This is where you pop your potion of prolonged power. Dump UA's, use artifact, use unending resolve, use mortal coil after unending resolve, use cripple, spell lock the hands, stand on rune, and win.

Let me reiterate with a TLDR since most warlocks already know this strategy:
If you don't have Sacrolash's like me, key is BEAR TARTARE, BEAR TARTARE, BEAR TARTARE

Kommentar von KaneZ

So yeah, reading how it is impossible as a panda to do this i thought of the Blingtron transformation. That makes you a human and you run faster no? Have to try it out!

Kommentar von NightmareMJ

Frost Mages please note: the twins guides are outdated, thermal void and frozen orb cannot be maintained continiously like before for this encounter, so the encounter difficulty increased tremendously.

you will NEED 1 or 2 haste proc/cast speed trinkets.

Sephuz is of course mandatory, and shard of the exodar will be mandatory unless you are ilvl 930+

If you re rocking stat sticks, this is going to be a VERY difficult fight and exceed 7 minutes due to the various nerfs to frost mage for this fight in 7.3

It is recommended if you cannot get close to downing the fight in 2 icy veins + 1 timewarp/lust that you focus Rast instead and just kite the other (you will still need to stand on the runes).

The difficulty level increased ~60% from 7.2 and roughly ~40% from 7.2.5 due to frost mage changes, again you are going to NEED quite a bit of haste procs or the cast speed trinket as mandatory.

Thermal Void is almost worthless on this fight but its better than GS, you will get more milage out of comet storm if you are struggling to actually kill the ads, if you have less than 112% haste during icyveins + timewarp, you will only get ~ 12-15 extra seconds of icyveins. (the majority of that is the bonus from talent), only a frozen target counts for the extend in the current state (so no winter's chill, only frost nova'd/freezed) Fingers of frost can only benefit the duration ONCE per 1 second after extending (so you must wait~ 1 seconds after it extends before firing again, if you double tap you will only get a total of 1 second from two FF charges). With this the maximum possible icyveins duration (baring extreme luck) is about 40 seconds total.

As a note, Mirror Image can soak and sometimes drop aggro for you and your damage isnt really any different (they have a GREAT deal more burst during haste windows, but not if they all get killed) from incanters flow. But this is unreliable on this fight as the mobs will randomly ignore them instead.

He will also randomly "walk around" the purple puddles sometimes on the fight when ebonbolting (the spike pillar makes him bug out a bit), and other times stack his movement speed buff much faster, seems there is some strong variation between attempts per day. He gains increasing DRs vs your chilling effects and freezes throughout the match in addition to his increased movement speed (they seem to definitely want you to kill him first now).

You can deal unlimited damage to the main boss during his window of attacks, but how much time you have is finite (roughly a normal icy veins duration, but sometimes its as much as 40 seconds).

The bosses seem to scale to your total item level now as well (or always did perhaps) (not just equipped but your average in bags/bank).

Kommentar von pat33

4 STEPS, SIMPLE PLAN

Advice:

a) Target focus Raest (secondary target), place markers on both twins (except x)
b) Have the addon bigwigs. Don't bother to use dbm.
c) No incant? no puddles? no shield?= DPS RAEST while aoe the adds.

Steps

1)Get away from Karam while dpsing him to 30%

2)Aoe Raest and adds.

Phase 3 Stfu hands (Raest is back on his shield)
3) Target and kill Hand from Beyond using this macro bellow otherwise just dps Karam:

/cleartarget
/target Hand from Beyond
/stopmacro
/script SetRaidTargetIcon("target",7.)

Phase 3 Clean the Swamp (run arround him)
4) Be near Raest approx 15 yard search for purple whirpools on floor, just stand on it 2 sec to to make them disapear. (1cast each 30 sec)

Kill RAEST!

Kommentar von pat33

4 STEPS, SIMPLE PLAN

Advice:

a) Target focus Raest (secondary target), place markers on both twins (except x)
b) Have the addon bigwigs. Don't bother to use dbm.
c) No incant? no puddles? no shield?= DPS RAEST while aoe the adds.

Kommentar von Somarz29

Doing this quest as frost mage in 7.3.2 was by far the hardest challenge out of all the DPS specs. It took me 101 tries at ilvl 917. I completed most of the other challenges on all classes in under 20 attempts with a few taking around 40 attempts. However, this one as frost mage with garbage legendaries was like hitting my head against the wall.

The Wowhead guide for frost mage is the only guide that was useless for me, maybe it's outdated. I went with Bone Chilling, I needed the pet to soak runes. However, the talent that made the biggest change was Splitting Ice; Frozen Touch was awful for me. The only way I managed to complete this challenge was by killing Karam first in phase 5, Splitting Ice really helps in killing him, use pet to soak runes, I made sure to put my pet on the center circle and on passive to reach the runes quicker. When you kill Karam, Raest enrages and does enough damage to kill you, therefore I used Celumbra, the Night's Dichotomy and standing at range will out-heal his damage. With Karam dead, the hands stop spawning, so you only have to soak runes.

I used countless builds, different gear, I had no set bonuses, used an 860 Arcano Crystal and 910 haste stat stick. My other legendary was an arcane one. Other than that, kiting has to be perfect, blinking and blizzard used on cooldown. Grouping up all adds and using orb on them all the time, cone of cold Karam at every opportunity, and aside from that hope for some good RNG procs. I found that having having high haste in a must for this challenge for fast frostbolts, I had 13,690 haste. This can also be a very buggy encounter. I can count at least 20 times where he just teleported right in front of me and killed me, other times he goes under the terrain.

I'm definitely relieved to have completed this. By far the hardest of all DPS challenges. Affliction, shadow and balance are way easier due to dots. In fact, I done affliction right before I tried frost and it literally took me 2 attempts. I'm at 26/36 challenges now.

Build used was: Bone Chilling, Shimmer, Incanter's Flow, Splitting Ice, Frigid Winds, Arctic Gale, Comet Storm.

Edit: I have completed 36/36 challenges now and the Frost Mage challenge was the only one that took me more than 100 attempts to complete.

Kommentar von Guldoran

Another quest to waste my time and do nothing but cause endless headaches and annoyances. Firstly I shouldn't have to go outside of the game to find out how to do this quest. Secondly, the quest shouldn't be so hard to where it slows down your progression in the game. I have now been trying to do this quest for 3 days when the NPC is there to let me do it and I can't finish the final phase. I am so sick of these annoying quests and I am tired of having my progression slowed down by something that should NOT be this hard to do. I wonder how super casuals will ever complete this quest. I don't think most of them ever will. I have been playing WoW for over 12 years so I am not new to these kind of quests and I am here to say this quest did nothing to increase my interest or joy in the game but did everything to make me have ill feelings towards it.

Kommentar von philipprocter1

What a joke this is

Kommentar von philipprocter1

What a joke this is

Kommentar von Thatsoureric

Finally defeated this challenge after numerous attempts. Its ungodly frustrating, but once you
finally find the trick, you can beat it...albeit after multiple infuriating tries later.

The trick here is to kill Hakam asap. There's way too much nonsense thrown at you in this
challenge that forces you to multi-task, and he is just not needed on top of everything else.

In order to speed up this fight, you need to interrupt Hakam when he casts Purgatory.
There's the cast (right after you knock him to 30% health in Phase 1) , and then there's the
channel (which he'll do til he goes back to roughly 65% health).

As he begins to cast Purgatory, you need to hit him with Bursting Shot. Now this will do two
things.
1 - If you reached him, the knockback will cancel his cast, and he will not regain health.
2 - He will still be able to chase you. However, it should be noted that during this, he does
not gain the movement speed buff.
3 - He cannot be directly targeted. However, he can still be hit with Multi-shot, and hit by
Marked shot.

Now in phase 2, begin by using multi-shot and marked shots only. The idea is to do as much
damage as possible to adds as well as Hakam.

Because Hakam is still in low health, this will "skip" a phase, and Raest will not reshield himself.

However, be ready to Bursting Shot Hakam again. This will do what we've been doing again,
and this time, skip another phase of the fight. By this point, Hakam should be 20% or less. At
this point, you need to burst down Hakam asap. The adds shouldn't be a problem, as they are
very slow. If you kill Hakam fast enough, you'll completely skip the phase when Raest summons
the Hand from Beyond. I recommend using any and all cooldowns during this period. Once
Hakam is dead, this fight becomes sooooo absurdly easy.

At this point, if you've done everything right, all you're left with are adds (unless you killed them
before) and Raest, who will just cast Shadowball on you, and then occasionally cast the Ritual
of Summoning, which you need to stand on or else it will summon an add that will wipe you.

Once its just you and Raest, its a pure dps race. His shadowball doesn't hit for much, but you
need to kill him before you run out of healing abilities/potions. I was able to do this with about
16% health left. If any cooldowns pop up, use'em.

For reference, I was ilvl 936, with only Soul of the Huntmaster and Kil'jaden's Burning Wish
as my legendaries. My artifact weapon was ilvl 940, artifact lvl 55.

Kommentar von AlicePrime

Got mine yesterday (FROST MAGE) and decided to share tips just in case. Hope it helps someone, since 7.2 guides are outdated.

1. First of all, you DO need Bear Tartare. Without it, your chances drop severely. Also bring Potion of Prolonged Power.

2. This particular challenge is VERY unforgiving and hectic. Overgear evens your odds a little bit, but it does not make it any easier to survive. Your DPS is zero when you are dead, and everything will either one-shot you or drop you waaaaay below half life. I did this at ilvl 932 with Soul of the Archmage (free talent) and Lady Vashj gloves (free Fingers of Frost at the start of Icy Veins and every 10 seconds after that while it lasts).

This means that you need to put all useful spells to hotkeys which you can press at the reflex level. Spells you need to bind (in level of priority) to keys you can easily hit within 0,1 second without moving mouse or using combinations:
- Ice Lance
- Blizzard
- Frozen Orb
- Frost Nova
- Cone of Cold
- Shimmer
- Flurry
- Frostbolt
- Ebonbolt
- Ice Barrier

Other spells you can put wherever you want, or even remove them from the panel at all. Spellsteal, Polymorph, Conjure - you will not need them, so don't even waste bar space. Nothing must distract you.

3. Save ALL cooldowns longer than 1 minute for the last phase (Phase 5). Your MAIN task is to kill Karam (paladin) as soon as possible when he is up for the final time. DO NOT attempt to kill Raest first, because if you are reading this comment, your skill is NOT enough to pull that off. Your Time Warp, Icy Veins and potion must be popped at the same time as soon as Karam is up for the third time, and all the 40 seconds of those must be used to pump as much damage into him as possible.

Once Karam is dead, Raest does nothing except casting his useless (even with +100% damage, easy to mitigate with Ice Barrier) shadowbolts, and becomes nothing more than a hardy obstacle. You can finish him in any way you like: if you've made it this far, it will be very hard to die in phase 6.

4. Watch where and when do you drop your Frozen Orb. If you miss it, and it does not land exactly into the crowd of adds (ideally into Karam too), you are most likely dead, because you simply will not get your free spammable Ice Lances to finish the next Hand.

Same goes for Blizzard. Do not just randomly drop it: cast it on top of add groups, or directly in front of Karam, if he is accompanied by adds. Using Blizzard to keep the cooldown of Frozen Orb at zero is the only way you can survive.

5. Use Lonely Winter. A lot of people think that your Water Elemental will be useful to soak the runes. WRONG. The 25-30% drop in total effective damage (remember that majority of your damage will come from Ice Lance) is too much to be worth it. In addition, commanding the Elemental to move to the location takes exactly as much time as moving there yourself.

Also, when you wish to soak the rune, have Frost Nova ready (or, if out of options, Ice Block). It will save your life if Karam is too close to the rune.

6. Take at least one Netherlight Crucible healing power (chance to both deal damage and heal you), if possible, and some Leech will help too. It will let you survive more than one melee blow over the course of the encounter.

7. When Hands appear is the moment you need to drop Frozen Orb into adds, teleport to it, interrupt it and discharge all your free Ice Lances and Flurries into the Hand. Not killing a single Hand in 20 seconds will likely result in TWO Hands up at once, which is just as deadly as allowing a Thing of the Nightmares to spawn.

8. No matter how high is your gear, and how skillful you are, this particular challenge is very closely tied to randomness. Nothing will save you if you are too far from the rune when it spawns. Nothing will save you if you have all defensive cooldowns off when Karam breaks his slow. Not having enough powerful instant casts on a Hand just because... You got the idea. This will likely take you more attempts than all other challenges combined.

9. I strongly advise to put Karam as Focus Target and enable Sticky Targeting. That will help you never lose your aim on him.

10. A useful trick for phase 1, where you can't continuously spam Frozen Orb, is to cast the Orb and then Shimmer twice, so that Karam has to turn back and run the same way the Orb is moving. Gives a few extra Fingers, which results in several more million of damage before he becomes too fast to handle.

11. Do not break Frost Nova with damage until you are far enough or safe enough. If you have any trinkets that deal uncontrolled damage, you may very well unintentionally free Karam when it's not needed.

12. Use Phases 1 and 3 to practice. Only when you are comfortable enough to beat them without using any long cooldowns, especially Icy Veins, can you move to Phase 5. Use these as a rehearsal of the final act. You must be able to burn down 2/3 of Karam's health, or 1/3 of his health with Hands, without cooldowns, because your next task will be to damage 2/3 of his health with Hands and being free enough to soak runes.

13. Raise Haste. This will let you cast Blizzard more than once and with greater freedom on each cast of Frozen Orb.

In addition, if you really need that Frozen Orb, and you need it FAST, do not hesitate to pause everything with Frozen Nova and cast Blizzard the traditional, non-instant way.

14. On talents of the lower rows. Thermal Void should be taken, but only because others are even less of use. Comet Storm deals too little damage per cooldown second to a single target, and Glacial Spike takes too long to cast to be useful. Arctic Gale is the only viable talent, because Unstable Magic only works on Frostbolt, which is not your primary source of damage, but a filler, and Frostbomb has a cast time, which makes it virtually impossible to use when you need it most.

GOOD LUCK!

Kommentar von Demostress

Alright, it was hell, but I beat this at 924 ilvl, with only the Reap and Sow legendary (No Sacrolash, no hood, no legs), without any set bonuses.
Comsumables:
Bear Tartare
Flask
Rune
Drums
Potion
Talents: 2/2/2/1/2/1/1

Start by standing next to Karam with your infernal or blueberry that has their taunt on. Literally, next to him. Hug him. Spam your infernal’s ‘attack’ key, and don’t attack Karam yet with your own abilities. You’re going to get hit, hard, so if you can’t survive it, use Unending Resolve. Your infernal should now be tanking Karam. You can set up your gateways now, or earlier.
Watch your Infernal’s health, and use Health Funnel if he dips too low. You should be free to DPS Karam without issue. His purgatory triggers in the transition between 34% and 33%, but use the audio cue:

When Raest Magespear shouts, “Useless!”, while standing no more than 20yd away, throw your mortal coil at Karam. This will interrupt his purgatory, and prevent his healing. HE WILL MOVE. This is okay, your tankfernal is being a tank while he’s feared.

My strategy was to constantly use my burning rush, and sort of make a conglomerate of shadow adds on top of Raest. I had two relics in my artifact concerning Seed of Corruption damage, and spammed that whenever I could, along with Phantom singularity, that he was taking constant damage.

With the cleave damage, and your permanent corruption, Karam should immediately be pushed into another purgatory state. Move as far away as you need to that the adds won't get you, and bring out your doomguard, use your potion, and pop drums. I used his purgatory time to lay into Raest as MUCH as I could, and cleaned up adds best I could. You’ll want to forgo a few Seeds of Corruption for Unstable Afflictions for Raest--Remember, RAEST needs to die to complete the challenge.

Now comes the tricky kiting business; purgatory's over. I backed up to one of my gateways, and once Karam was nearly within melee, I Coiled him to fear him, then went through my gateway. About this time a Grasp from beyond was up. I dotted it, got as much of a drain soul on it as I could before Karam got too close, and I needed to use my Doomguard to interrupt, and I killed the first gateway.

However, I did not stand on the rune of summoning, and allowed a Void Faceless One thing to spawn. Trying to get over there, or micro manage my doomguard wouldn’t have been worth the DPS loss. I banished it, then continued to Burning Rush away from Karam, and constantly keep my dots on Raest. By that time Raest had gotten down to 6%, roughly 4 million and some health, booked it as far as I could, and Drained Soul until he went down. It was a close call, though.

I hope any of this will be of use to someone to be in as unfortunate position as I was that doesn't even have their second legendary, let alone not one of the ones recommended for this challenge.

Kommentar von slemdorull

Is the person gone?
Well, then you'll have to wait until your construction is finished "building", I noticed after I donated some
It's similiar to garrison house upgrades, but if you're unlucky like me, you'll have to wait.

Blizzard coding logic = Who should disappear?:

= Important questgiver which starts scenario

or = STUPID workers that doesnt even work..

Kommentar von slemdorull

If you returned to do this quest at later time but have and can verify progress with Mage Tower. To check this you can click the table close to the NPC that gave you the quest.

Kommentar von Evylyn

Finally beat this today! As a frost mage, it only took 1, 2, 3, 4..... 56, 57, 58......... never mind how many, it took a lot. But I finally got it today. I followed the guide here written by Malon, used the Prydaz, Xavaric's Magnum Opus, drums of fury, and the recommended talent build. It was rough but I got it down. Now to get the other two...........

Kommentar von Jaunter

While this may be possible with a supreme effort, the real question is if it's actually worth all the time, frustration, and effort in exchange for the reward. The answer to that is a loud NO. Don't even waste your valuable time on this quest unless you have absolutely nothing else to do. The reward to effort ratio is totally off balance.

Kommentar von Sarthorius

Classes that can use pet (hunter, warlock, mage) can macro /petmoveto to place pets on top ot Raest's runes instead of themselves, this way you can keep the distance from everything that is chasing you and get precious times dpsing Raest or Karam.

Kommentar von Lake8888

For Balance druids at higher ilevels (930+), if you have Ekogespenst, Erschaffer von Welten and Wildheitsaffinität, you can pretty much do the Karam phases spamming Moonfire/Sunfire while doing laps around the platform. You may want to pick up Erneuerung over Phasenbestie for some additional emergency healing.

Kommentar von AlicePrime

As an Affliction Warlock, this was very easily the hardest challenge I've had. It was so hard that I only managed to beat it in 941, and barely. If my notes make any poor soul's suffering easier (pun in itself for an Affliction lock), that means I didn't write them in vain.

AFFLICTION: PART I
(see next comment for Part II)

1. First of all: forget EVERYTHING (said in the voice of Gul'dan) you know about challenges in general, playing as DPS, playing as a Warlock, dealing damage, and the tactics for this challenge as they are described in guides. The truth is far, far more horrible; you need to let go of your old habits to win this. The more you cling to traditional rotations, the more will this thing consume of you.

2. If you've ever been to RBG as a Warlock, good. You will need those skills. Practice the following on a BG or at least a dummy before you go trying for this challenge:
- Achieving at least 400k dps on a single target with nothing except instant-cast DoTs
- Placing and keeping all of your instant-cast DoTs on at least 3 targets for at least 60 seconds while on the move
- Moving in a difficult contaminated terrain without stopping or making a sharp turn BLIND (that is, without actually seeing where you are going) with Burning Rush on for at least 30 seconds
- Controlling your summoned demon while on the move/casting: you MUST learn how to give commands to use skills (not just the Command Demon), how to give command to MOVE (best of all, make a MACRO: /petmoveto). You must be able to give your demon a Move command within 0.5 seconds at a distant point with no more than 3 yards error.

3. Overgear. If you are reading this comment, you will need at least 930 ilvl. The more the better. Due to most mechanics in fight either one-shotting you or being otherwise very deadly, your gear serves to lessen the TIME you spend in fight, therefore the chances of screwing it.

Even worse, you WILL need to take hits from one-shotting mechanics over the course of the fight. That basically means you need lots of Stamina, which will come from both ilvl AND your Artifact knowledge, so pump as many AP into your Artifact as possible.

4. There are three pieces of gear that can make your life significantly easier.

First are the legendary pants, Pillars of the Dark Portal. Normally a useless item, it shines here. You will see below why. In short, it allows you to use your Demonic Gate portal twice.

The second is the legendary ring: Sacrolash's Dark Strike. This item is INVALUABLE in this challenge. If you have it, you will turn this challenge into one of the easiest in game, and I am not joking. So, if you are lucky, good! In short, it makes your Corruption slow enemies by 60%.

If you don't have the ring, it's doable, but you will need to pay attention to all the other notes. I personally think it's quite a poor design decision, but hey, it's better to have a cheat item that a few people will get than have no such item at all.

Finally, Soul of the Netherlord is very good, as it allows you to have two of the very, very good talents at once: Siphon Life (extra DoT that also heals you) and Death's Embrace (anything below 35% Life takes more damage from your attacks, the lower the health, the more the bonus).

5. If you don't have the Sacrolash ring (reading this comment indicates that, like me, you do not), your only reliable methods of preventing Karam (the melee twin that hits hard once he gets to you) from touching you are:

- Cripple (Doomguard ability). Your alpha and omega of CC: 4 seconds of 70% slow, which is 4 seconds of doing whatever the hell you want. Turn the auto-cast OFF and use it twice each phase: once immediately when phase 1,3 or 5 begins, and once when he becomes too fast to outrun, even with Burning Rush. If you leave it at auto-cast, Doomguard will just use it randomly and at worst possible time (and more often than not he will use it on anything except Karam)
- Demonic Gateway. Considering that each Phase will last for about a minute, you will only use it once in the whole fight. Twice, if you have Pillars of the Dark Portal (pants that basically give this spell 2 charges). If you use it in phases 1 or 3, it will not recharge by phase 5. Save both charges for that moment in phase 5. Needless to say, you need to set Gates as far apart as possible, ideally at the spots where Hands spawn, just in case.
- Mortal Coil VS Demonic Circle. Both spells give you some time to spend on useful casts, but work differently (you can only choose one talent). Both are viable; they are just different in how they are used. If you are very good with casting and turning, Demonic Circle gives you more total free time (+40 yards distance every 30 seconds). If you are a scrub like me, Mortal Coil works better: it gives 3 guaranteed seconds every 45 seconds, plus some distance, plus 20% healing (which Burning Rush will be glad to utilize).
- Unending Resolve. This is a crowd control too... of sorts. Of very perverted sorts. There are two ways to use it. ONE is to use it at the very beginning to let Karam hit you and then just idle for a few seconds (after hitting, he stands still, probably hoping that his hit has sent you to your doom). THE OTHER way is to wait and use it as last resort. The second way is much harder because you can't predict how many stacks you can survive at that moment. If you are a scrub, use it as your first crowd control option in phase 5. Unfortunately, there is no way to survive the fight without ever being hit, unless you happen to have Sacrolash ring.
- Burning Rush. You will need to turn it on as soon as your regular speed is no longer enough to outrun Karam. Don't activate it beforehand, as it eats through your health like there is no tomorrow. To keep it running, put Siphon Life and Phantom Singularity on Karam and everything you can reach, use Healthstone if nothing else remains, use any healing effects you might have.

Basically, you will need to use these in row as soon as Karam starts moving faster than you (with Burning Rush, of course). Since he gains 20% movement speed with every stack, that is about 30 seconds into the phase. THE SECOND HALF OF PHASE 5 (and phase 3, but to less extent) will be one long chain of you using these to keep a relentless pursuer off your back while your DoTs do the work.

6. Bring Bear Tartare (food that makes you gain speed every time you kill anything). This alone will save you a ton of attempts. See entry 11 why.

7. All of your damage cooldowns, if you have any, must be saved for phase 5. Once it begins, pop everything: Potion of Prolonged Power, trinkets, Drums (Heroism/Bloodlust for the poor), anything. This is the moment where every single ounce of damage you can pump into Karam can save your life. Only distract from your wildrunner-damage rampage for Hands (see entry 10) and Runes of Summoning (see entry 12). NOTHING. ELSE. MATTERS. See entry 9 why.

8. Your Reap skill which consumes souls should be saved for phases 1,3 and 5. DO NOT use it during phases 2 and 4. Its potency does not depend on amount of souls, but you must maximize the duration on Karam.

(see next comment for Part II)

Kommentar von AlicePrime

AFFLICTION: PART II
(see previous comment for Part I)

9. This is very important, although it can sound counter-productive. IGNORE RAEST. Just forget he exists. The ONLY thing that matters in this fight is KILLING KARAM. He is your true enemy here.

The reason for this is that you cannot kill Raest before Karam (it is even harder than just killing Karam, but if you like playing hardcore...). Once Karam is dead, however, Raest does absolutely nothing. He will stop summoning adds (except Rune of Summoning) and will only shoot his harmless Shadowbolts, which you heal from instantly.

You can then finish him in any way you like, regardless of his health when Karam has died. It will be hard to die if you've made it this far. Just finish the adds and make a deranged mage sushi out of him as slowly and painfully as possible. Listen to his screams as he dies while his soul is on fire, stricken with curses, having his life drained from his body, and seeing his brother's soulless husk, while knowing it was his fault and his alone - all at the same time!

10. This may sound like a very loony advice, and until you see it for yourself, you will not believe it can possibly be true. If you've done this challenge with any other class and spec, you probably remember that Hand from Beyond is the highest priority target. Well, for Affliction, IT IS NOT! Not because it can't kill you (it can, and gladly will), but because unlike any other spec, you don't need to focus it.

Once you fully DoT it and THEN interrupt (not BEFORE you DoT it!), you can... just forget about it. Run on your merry way. The poor Hand will recover and attempt the next cast, but it will die before that cast is finished without you even remembering of its existence. 20+ seconds of DoTs is more than enough for these to kill a Hand.

11. During phases 2 and 4, do not focus your effort on Raest (see entry 9). What you need to do is heal to full health, conserving cooldowns and souls for Reap, and put Agony, Siphon Life and Seed of Corruption on every big add (3 will spawn during the phase), in that order. Once it's done, the adds are dead, they just don't know it yet, and when they die, you gain (Bear Tartare!) a speed burst!

12. Unlike other loser classes, who are forced to dismiss their pets and stomp the Runes by themselves (hello, MM Hunters and Frost Mages) or suffer a huge penalty in damage, you need to use your Doomguard. You must learn to command it to move: make a macro (see entry 2) and hotkey it. When you see a rune, dont run there, but instead command your Doomguard. Only two things can go wrong:
- If you time it wrong, you will need to interrupt while Doomguard is still in the rune, which makes him cancel his "move and stay there" order. If it is the case, you need to either wait with interrupt (which is not as bad as it sounds due to entry 10) or re-command him to move back instantly.
- It is very easy to miss with the Move order. Rune is small. Looking at it from side can make it seem like it's at different location due to the orb being above ground. No cure here except practice.

13. Due to nerfs on Affliction, in 7.3, your choice in talents has grown much, much less variable. What you need to pick is:
- Writhe in Agony (this helps DPSing down important targets)
- Absolute Corruption (fire and forget, simplifies rotation, plus you cannot cast Unstable Affliction often here anyway)
- Demonic Circle OR Mortal Coil, your preference (see above)
- Phantom Singularity (Sow the Seeds is useless in practice, even though it sounds good in theory: adds die quickly as is, no need to make a bigger mess)
- Burning Rush (without it, your chances are slim: it's the only way to live long enough)
- Grimoire of Supremacy (Doomguard not only adds a very good chunk of damage that is not impeded by movement, he also provides CC, Rune soaking, and most importantly, interrupt)
- Siphon Life (both a way to damage down adds, Karam and Hands, and a way to fuel your hungry Burning Rush; with Soul ring, you will gain both this and Death's Embrace)

You can do it. Grind more gear from world bosses, Ethereal vendor on Vindicaar, and raids. Buy enchants, buy gold runs (contrary to popular misconception, this is entirely legal). Buy gems (Mastery is ideal here). Once all of your gear and relics are at least 915+, start buying Relinquished Rings and hope for Sacrolash or at least Soul.

The Twins will die. Horribly. One cycle from now. Two cycles. Three cycles. Ten cycles.

Soon.

Kommentar von AlicePrime

Marksmanship was... intense. In 940, it was actually a fun fight, albeit very stressful. So, as usual, what I've learned...
(by the way, in case you didn't know or notice, the challenge MM appearance is actually an HD remake of Rhok'delar, Longbow of the Ancient Keepers, the original vanilla WoW Hunter challenge weapon).

1. One of the hardest things in this fight will be switching between targets and controlling them. So, I've made a macro:
/target Karam
/cast Concussive Shot
This alone will make your life much easier. You must cast it every 6 seconds (thankfully it's free) via an easy hotkey (I used C). By constantly keeping Karam slowed, you can finish the fight without being hit by him once.

For Hands, you need to make a different one:
/target Hand
/cast A Murder of Crows
/cast Counter Shot
That way, you can, in one click, switch to the Hand, interrupt it and apply your most potent DoT to it. If you kill it within 15 seconds (which you should), AMoC will be reset and ready for the next Hand.

2. Remember the usual routine. Bear Tartare (speed food). Ignore Raest, pump damage into Karam. Phase 5 begins, use all of your cooldowns (including True Shot, Drums and potion). Karam dies, Raest becomes a target dummy, now you can shoot him calmly and without haste.

3. During intermissions (2 and 4) don't try to actively damage Raest. Instead, focus all your damage on adds: you need to kill as many of them as possible before Karam is healed back. Your weapon of choice is spamming Multi-Shot, followed by Marked Shot on each proc. A few volleys will eradicate the smaller adds. Once tiny ones are dead, switch to the next pack: a large add will die later while you AoE its friends. Do not waste any single-target attacks on adds, as you will need them later.

Unless you kill at least 2 of 3 groups of adds during the intermissions, you will be facing quite some problems during phase 5...

4. ...because managing Runes of Summoning with adds around is a nightmare. Since you go for Lone Wolf, you can't use your pet (a 15% drop in DPS is not worth it). Whenever a rune appears, use Binding Shot or Freezing Trap on Karam (whichever has recharged), use Disengage (with Posthaste) and run to the rune. Bursting Shot and Aspect of the Turtle are your last line of defense against any adds that happen to be in the Rune; to avoid that, you need to memorize the two spots where a Rune can spawn, and kite as far from them as possible.

During phase 5, the only good news is that your True Shot allows you to continuously spam Multi-Shot + Marked Shot 1:1, quickly killing any adds left. Save it until then, don't blow it on phase 1, like some might advise.

5. To kill Hands, you will need to do the following. Have A Murder of Crows ready (don't use it on Karam in phases 3 and 5). Use macro 1 to slow Karam (you can also use Binding/Bursting Shot/Freezing Trap if you have all three off cooldown). Use macro 2 to interrupt and DoT the Hand. After that, you'll have to act depending on what you have ready:
- Piercing Shot. A normally useless talent shines here, classic. If you are lucky, you can catch multiple targets between yourself and Hand. If PS crits with 100 focus, a Hand is dead (with Murder, of course).
- Lock and Load. If you have any instant Aimed Shots, this is perfect time to use them.
- Marked Shot. If you have a charged-up Arcane Shot, use it, then MS.
- Aimed Shot / Wind Burst. Your worst-case scenario. Disengage, run away, apply more CC, and use your hard casts. Gods help you... and keep you from being in such a trouble.
Regardless of what you use, when Karam breaks free, INSTANTLY SLOW HIM. Alternate between macros to easily switch, don't try to aim manually / via Tab / via boss UI!

Any little health of the Hand, if it somehow remains, is finished by Arcane Shot.

6. How to properly Disengage. This one is tricky. If you just use the skill, it won't do much good. But do it right, and it works better than Aspect of the Cheetah. Combined with Concussive Shot, it will allow you to outrun Karam for as long as you need. Let's suppose you want to run West quickly, while Karam is to North. What you need to do is face North-West, and run sideways (not backwards). Once Disengage is ready, slow Karam, face East (yes, away from where you want to go), use Disengage, and while IN AIR, face North-West again. You can now run sideways to West once you land with high speed. You can even still fire your instant casts while in air!

In general, running sideways (perpendicular to your line of sight to Karam) while constantly turning to face him is a very good idea. It does not slow you down, but allows shooting at him.

7. Guides often recommend using Explosive Shot as a talent. DON'T. While it does provide you with some high on-demand AoE, you will be having very hard time using it, as it is notoriously difficult to aim, especially againt a moving target. During hectic phases, it will do you more harm than good: focusing on aiming it will distract you from more pressing concerns, and the classic "point blank explosion" is suicidal. Take Patient Sniper, it will be at least of some use against Hands and Karam.

Overall, you must feel natural with your build. You will have to control it on a reflex, and adding one more ability does not help.

8. If you have Sephuz Secret, it is actually very good here. Other than that, no mandatory equipment, although the Mk II gloves (every second Aimed Shot is castable on the move) may help you somewhat.

9. If Karam actually hits you, don't panic! Turtle + Exhilaration + Disengage in the air (to land back on the platform) might save your life, provided he didn't kill you outright. Pretty much the same if a Hand casts successfully (you can survive one cast with full health). Once safe, cancel the Turtle (the healing effect will still go on, don't worry).

Poke 'em inna eye, shoot 'em up, kill 'em dead before they hit the ground!

Kommentar von Zoultrias

Affliction Lock - Didn't have the slow ring legendary so countered it with Burning Rush by always keeping up Siphon Life. Hardest part was the rune, you have to be on it when it ends to stop the summon, be prepared to take a hit or try to keep the mobs away from it until the last few seconds to get on it. At first I couldn't tell if I had to be on it the whole time until it goes away, or a certain amount of time, sometimes I would leave it too early thinking it was good enough. I think it does a little splash/explosion icon when it deteriorates.

Kommentar von Regalingual

Just as a note for those who are looking for more recent guides: almost every class that can do this challenge (except Frost Mage, unfortunately) has a way to completely cheese it.

When Karam (the brother who chases you around) gets to 33% health, Raest (the invincible caster brother) will yell "Useless!". A second or two later, Karam will start casting Purgatory; if he finishes, he'll become invincible to heal up a bit. If you use a Fear, Horrify, or knockback effect, however, it breaks him a bit. He becomes untargetable (but can still be hit indirectly, I.E. explosions from killing adds with Seed of Corruption), and begins chasing you around a bit while Raest starts summoning adds and becomes vulnerable to damage for the first time; you still want to do whatever damage you can to Raest while still kiting both Karam and the adds around.

Right around the time Raest's supposed to go invincible again, however, the game will detect that Karam is under the threshold to trigger Purgatory again, and he'll immediately cast it again. At this point, you want to blow every CD you have (drums, second potion, etc.), and nuke the hell out of Raest. With current levels of gear, he should be dead or close enough by the time Karam's second Purgatory is done. The only potential hitch is that you'll still have to soak one rune during the second half of the extended intermission, which may be dicey depending on where it spawns in relation to the adds.

Kommentar von AlicePrime

Balance: Fly Me to the Moon

Did it on Balance Druid in 940 on the first try, so with overgear, it's not as hard as you would think... Provided you know what to expect. Spend a few tries just to learn the mechanics, without consumables or stuff: you need to train and prepare yourself for LOTS of movement here.

1. As a Druid, you won't have much CC to slow Karam down. Typhoon and Roots are both mostly used to pause him while you deal with Rune or Hands (Typhoon can also push adds out of Rune to stand in it).

Instead, you will focus on moving quickly yourself:
- Displacer Beast talent
- Feral Affinity talent
- Bear Tartare as food
- Sephuz legendary ring (if you have one)
- Travel form if nothing else remains (let the DoTs do the work, right?)
These will give you enough time of running faster than Karam to keep distance from him until he dies. If you can make it through phase 1 without DPS cooldowns / drums / potions, you can beat the rest of the challenge.

2. Dealing with Hands is the hardest part. You only have one interrupt with 45 seconds cooldown, so you will need to alternate the following:
- Hand 1/3: Solar Beam, DoTs, Starfall, Roots (on Karam), hard casts, Starsurge
- Hand 2/4: DoTs, Starfall, Warrior of Elune talent, 3 instant casts, Starsurge
Starfall is needed to give you space for casting on the move. It is also surprisingly potent as damage due to multiple synergies.

3. To kill adds, you don't waste your casts; instead, you Sunfire them all, Moonfire the big ones, and then drop Starfall on them. Multiple Shooting Stars will overlap to clear them relatively quickly; at the same time, you keep Karam DoTed, renewing spells as able. After gaining speed, run away and you may get a few hard casts; Stellar Drift (cast on the move) also helps.

4. During intermissions, it's best to focus on adds: Raest is best left for after you kill Karam. Without his brother, he will leave you with only Runes to deal with, which is a trivial task if you've made it this far.

5. At the start of phase 5 (Karam's final exit), use Celestial Alignment, Drums and potion, and begin spamming as much damage into Karam as possible. It will also let you clear the first Hand without a Solar Beam. Flood everything with Starfall and run around in circles; once a Rune appears, use Displacer Beast (and Typhoon if needed), Root Karam if he is too close, and soak it.

In 940+, he should not live long enough in phases 3 and 5 for you to see the third Hand.

6. Remember to re-cast your Boomkin form after you use Cat/Travel, otherwise damage suffers.

7. Barkskin is your panic button for Grasp from Beyond if it goes through. Good thing you can heal. Couple of Regrowths will make it all better.

8. Better to make macro commands to /target Karam or Hand, then /cast Solar Beam (on Hand) and Sunfire (on both). This will save you the trouble of clicking through UI.

Now you have your laser scythe!

Kommentar von EmAir

Just tried to cheese this as an Affliction warlock by knocking Karam into the twisting nether with my succubus' Peitschen. Did not work :(

Kommentar von Chyrone

Hi All,

I've just recently resubbed after taking a break to come back to BFA and one of the things I wanted to do was collect a few mage tower appearances. I just wanted to create an account and post to say that the Frost Mage challenge was really disheartening (as I don't raid regularly so out gearing was an issue) however reading the pointers/tips here and knowing I wasn't alone in the struggle kept me going until I got it earlier today. I wanted to give back by posting some pointers under the current 7.3.5 patch. This is my first wowhead post so apologies for the formatting.

A bit of background, I've never really played frost mage before and started practicing WQ's and LFR with it for about 2 weeks to get mage tower ready. Since the mage tower is so situational a lot of the skills you use in that challenge you'll never really use elsewhere (since you know you'll have tanks/healers). So the best advice I can give those of you attempting it now is to keep practicing and to not give up. The challenge took me about 40-50 tries and I had to re-gear my stats towards haste so did this over 2 rotations of the mage tower being up. The strategy I opted for the kill was to burst Raest as oppposed to killing Karam first.

I had the Shard of Exodar and the Blizzard belt (which is useless here since you need to keep the adds up for Frozen Orb/Ice Lance synergy) however I only Time-warped once in Phase 4 to burst the mage down.

Talents - 2/1/3/3/1/3/1
The must take Talents in my opinion were Shimmer, Incanter's Flow, Artic Gale and Thermal Void (purely because none of the other last tier talents are any good in this challenge). I've seen people complete it with their pet and without, for my kill attempt I found I was only managing enough DPS in the first phase with Lonely Winter; you can use Frost Nova in the last phase to manage Karam/adds in case the runes get cast in a %^&*ty position.

A lot of the other comments here have posted great in depth guides so I'm just going to cover off a few pointers no one really mentioned which helped me get over the edge.

1) You want to be around 30-35% Haste to make this fight easy; it's very possible to complete at lower levels but you're going to have to push your skill to make up for it. Personally my first few attempts I had about 20% which were completely disastrous.

2) In Phase 1, a good check to see if you can kill the fight is if you can push Karam to heal before he gets to about 7-8 stacks without using any CD's. If you struggle here it's very likely you're going to have a tough time for the rest of the fight; so take a break get more gear and come back.

3) Phase 2 is pretty straight forward since you're just juggling Ice Lances, Blizzards and Frozen Orbs. The adds are slow by default so take a deep breath and focus on dishing out as much damage to Raest as possible. You know you'll have enough to use the burst strat if you can reduce him to about 65% in this phase.

4) Phase 3 is where I always had trouble as I'd lose my head dealing with the adds/Karam/hand from beyond. This might seem obvious in retrospect but keep calm and only interrupt the hand when they're about 80% finished casting. Use Frost Nova if you need to buy yourself a few seconds to breathe. As a benchmark if you can push Karam to heal with only 2 hand spawns, then you definitely have enough dps for the challenge.

5) In Phase 4 I popped by second potion, time warped, icy veins and just knuckled down on feeding as much DPS into Raest as possible. Remember to keep an eye for Runes and again fall back on Frost Nova in case it spawns right on top of some adds. I cannot say this enough; Frost Nova is your WTF button. Keybind it and learn to use it as often as you need. If you've got enough DPS he should hopefully be at around 20% before Karam comes back up.

6) Phase 5 is your home stretch however it's also where @#$% always hit the fan. Before my kill attempt the longest I survived here was about 2 hand spawns and 2 runes. On my kill I had 2 hand spawns and 1 rune. If you get Raest to about 5-10% ignore the next hand that spawns but never ignore the runes. At full HP and frost armor you can take one hand cast.

7) The only other thing I couldn't find in forums but had to learn myself is for Phase 2, keep as many adds up as possible. You are going to need them to reset your Frozen Orb. If you run out of adds and Karam still has a good chunk of health left then you're probably going to need to reset. Without the Ice Lance procs its near impossible to burn the hands and burst Karam down.

As a reference my gear ilvl was 940, no tier pieces, I used haste/proc based trinkets. If you've come here trying to find motivation to keep going all I can say is don't give up. It's completely possible however the challenges give little to no feedback as to what you're doing wrong so keep reading/trying and hopefully you'll figure it out.

Kommentar von AlicePrime

This one was not a fair fight for me, as in 952, it's much, much easier to succeed. But still, a few hints. Due to a very perverted spell arsenal, Shadow requires using some unorthodox methods.

1. Between Mania and Body and Soul, I chose the latter. More control, more speed, and works during the Voidform stages too... A small price to pay for it is the necessity to activate PWS.

2. Although you technically have a semi-passive slow for Karam (tentacles), you can't control when they appear, so your main hope is moving faster (spam Shield), as well as:
- Mind Bomb every time a Hand spawns (in phase 1 - by cooldown)
- Sephuz, if you have it
- Celumbra, if you have it
- Bear Tartare
- When far away, you may channel Mind Flay (in phase 1 - every time after you run away with Shield)

3. As a Shadow priest, you don't have any normal AoE. Your only AoE spell is Mind Sear, which is channeling Mind Flay on a target with Shadow Word Pain.

As such, you cannot, while Karam is up, focus on killing smaller adds. Instead, you Flay the big adds during intermissions and fully DoT them, trying to bring them down as much as possible. While Karam is active, you only Mind Flay him, hoping to catch the smaller adds into the blast.

I also found that a trinket called Prototype Personnel Eliminator (or something like that, drops from Garothi Worldbreaker in Antorus) is of huge help here, as is regularly sends an AoE missile to your target.

4. Due to very long recharge on Silence, you will need to alternate between two ways of killing a Hand:
- Silence + DoTs + maybe Mind Blast (Void Bolts if able) + Shadow Word Death if needed
- Mindbender + DoTs + Mind Blast (Void Bolts) + Shadow Word Death
Mindbender is mandatory, because it allows shifting quite some damage to passive mode and ignores movement. After it finishes a Hand, direct it to Karam.

5. Damaging Karam. While he is far away, or when tentacles proc, you may bombard him with Mind Blast and Mind Flay, and even Void Torrent when sure you can stand still for 4 seconds. However, most of the time, you will simply and plainly DoT him, wait for Void Form, and then spam Void Bolt on the move until it runs out. In late Phase 5, you also Shadow Word Death Karam on cooldown. Your Mindbender will quickly recharge Void Form, so during Hands, you will almost always have it up.

6. Your biggest problem is the Runes. You will likely not kill smaller adds before it spawns, and if they occupy it, even your Dispersion will not save you. So, you always kite them on the edge of the circle, never making them run across the arena.

Worst case and last resort is Mind Bomb on them. Unfortunately, if you run into a situation where they crawl on the rune, it's a guaranteed wipe.

7. Surrender to Madness is not what you want to do. While it does make it easier to just cheese through phase 5 by killing Raest, this also increases the level of skill you need. Reading this indicates you don't have that.

Instead, Legacy of the Void + Reaper of Souls will serve well to provide you with near-permanent Void Form later in the fight. Lingering Madness also helps to keep your DoT potential while you are recharging.

My advice, as always, is to focus Karam in phase 5 (using all cooldowns when it begins), then calmly finish off Raest.

8. Void Eruption (activating Void Form) can be surprisingly powerful against both the adds and the Hands. Be sure to apply SWPain to important targets when you turn it on (which usually aligns with a Hand spawning).

Overall, it's a very interesting challenge, and a nice sickle-like dagger (wish its hook would be turned downward, but that is fine too).

Kommentar von FunkyGargoyle

and the Raest is history

Kommentar von FrozenAce

Affliction lock easy mode start with infernal and go out of range then select attack with pet and your pet will now have aggro do slow dps as you dont need to move anymore pool 5 shards for close to 35% HP then do the fight normally

Kommentar von Volleynova

Marksmanship Hunter.

0) Disengage set to 60% speed boost upon leaping backwards and Deadly Boss Mods latest version.

1) Haste or Mastery Food

2) Defiled Augment Rune

3) Repurposed Fel Focuser or Flask of the Seventh Demon

4) Create two macros.

4b) Macro One is /target Hand from Beyond

4c) Macro Two is /target Karam

5) Opening shot on Karam is your most damaging insta-cast, immediately followed by Concussive Shot. Concussive shot must always be applied on Karam the moment it pops.

6) Now, keep to the circle area. There is ZERO NEED to go down to the dip area or the path on the far side of the dip.

7) Keep doing circles, eventually Raest banishes Karam, and you can attack Raest. Go all out on Raest. If you have those trinkets that lob projectiles at a target standing still, that is perfect.

8) Hand from Beyond spawns after Raest unbanishes Karam, now this is where your macros come in handy. Make sure you Counter Shot Hand from Beyond immediately and take it out fast, all the while using the other macro keep concussive shot applied on Karam.

9) Disengage works perfectly, as well as Aspect of the Cheetah, to get to the summoning portal that Raest spawns, bypassing the slow effects to get there. You only need to stand in it for a very short while.

10) Rinse and repeat and last but not least, keep that Tar Trap applied on the mobs, make use of your 'Sentinel' ability and Marked shot, to regain health again with Exhilaration by killing the tiny mobs quick.

11) Yes, the fight is extremely chaotic and multitasking is key. Those two macros are extremely important and always--always watch for the warning about Summoning.

12) Always keep moving during the fight. You'll find once Karam is dead, it becomes a cinch--but you must still stand in the summoning portal when Raest casts it.

13) ?

14) Profit.

Kommentar von alohaitsjeff

***SHADOW PRIEST***

I just want to add my experience with this strategy. I tried to complete the strategy outlined by tritium4ever in an earlier post.

I have/had the following:
- 5k Crit
- 9k Haste
- 3k Mastery
- 5k Versatility
- 1x Ledgie - Zenk'aram, Iridis Anadem
- ilvl 911
- Artifact ilvl 935
- No tier set bonuses, or fancy trinkets; mostly Dominant Combatant/Gladiator gear

I used the following talents:
- Twist of Fate
- Mania
- Mind Bomb
- Reaper of Souls
- San'layn (or Shadowy Insight)
- Power Infusion (or Mindbender)
- Surrender to Madness (or Legancy of the Void)

I was NOT able to transition to Raest with the above stats. I tried entering Voidform at 75% as suggested, 70%, 78%, etc. etc.. and I just could not sustain my Insanity when it came time to switch targets. My insanity would drop from 100 to 0 in 1.5 seconds. I'm guessing my damage output is not high enough, therefore I was not able to sustain the number of Void stacks that I had. I tried this strat at least a dozen times or more and could not get past the transition. I'm assuming I need better ledgies, or I need increased Mastery, as this was the only stat requirement that I could not meet. But seeing as how people with sub ilvl900 are defeating this.. I'm kind of at a loss as to what is really happening here.

Kommentar von duranox

I just completed this on my MM hunter.

#showtooltip Concussive Shot
/cast Concussive Shot; Concussive Shot
/targetlasttarget

This macro makes the encounter so much easier. Assign Karam as your focus target and when both are active just use concussive shot on CD. double tap this macro to slow Karam the swap back to your original target.

Kommentar von Kuzul54

Was doing this on my alt hunter 915 or so ilvl obviously I outgear it but I stumbled upon a way to cheese this. If you time it perfectly you can interupt Karems purgatory with bursting shot. I had the bracers so this was very easy to do because I did not need to be close. He isn't targetable but you can hit him with aoe abilities and burn him down. If you don't get him down before his second purgatory cast no worries interupt him again with bursting shot it will be up! There is only about a 1s window during the cast to interupt it so it has to be timed pretty well but this trivialized it for me. Raest enrages when you kill Karem but when you step on a rune it lowers the cooldown of your exilaration so dying to his shadowbolts shouldn't be an issue. Hope anyone having trouble found this helpful! And if you didn't know Aff locks can do the same thing with mortal coil (found that on youtube and made me wonder if I could do the same thing with bursting shot).

Kommentar von redfinale

Ok, MM is my worst of the three hunter specs this xpac, more because I went surv through nightmare, much of NH and back again in Antorus, and BM through the tail end of NH and all of Tomb, but at a 960+ ilvl, one would think you could outgear this challenge....apparently not. @#$% the twins. It feels like you need to have the awareness of a squirrel with ADHD on speed to keep track of everything. If anybody has any insight, post. If you just wanna insult me for being bad MM, go ahead; i didnt like how MM played and that's why i avoided the spec this xpac, but i want to try and get all three specs' challenges done on my main and this one suuuuuucks

Kommentar von Apocalex

my ass

Kommentar von Ocyla

Just did it as a 930ish frost mage. Couple of tips, if you have the legendary Ice Time, SWAP IT OUT. It will cause you to kill the adds too fast. I also suggest swapping out Lonely Winter for anything else to reduce your AOE damage even more, and do not take Arctic Gale. This helped me easily beat the encounter with the other standard tactics.

Kommentar von tale

For Frost mages the single biggest tip that I can give that I don't think was really evident in @Kartarius's guide is to make sure your Blizzard is always over Raest in phases 2, 4 and 5 when he can be damaged. In particular, try to keep it right on top of him and keep kiting all the little adds right through the middle whenever possible, so they're constantly getting nailed by the Blizzard too. Made a huge difference for me.

Kommentar von jinkusu121

Affliction Warlock

I struggle with keeping track of all the things in this fight (Karam, hands, runes, adds) so I went with this:

Talents: 2 2 2 1 2 1 1
Legendaries: Pryzdaz necklace and Dark Pillars pants
ilvl 936
Artifact level 66 (Shadowbind, Murderous Intent, Secure in the Light)

I start the fight with a demonic gate dropped near Karam to the other side of Raest.
On my successful attempt I don't think I even used it or drums or pots.

Summon Infernal.
Stand right behind Karam and when he says "I Obey" cast Unending Resolve to eat the knockback.
While in the air cast Infernal's Seethe taunt. Sometimes Karam's puddles bug out and don't happen but just in case pet move them to the edge.
DPS Karam to 40% then move him close to Raest. Try to save up shards for adds phase.
When he gets to about 33% get ready to hit him with Mortal Coil. You will have to practice timing.
--Too soon and you will fear him before he starts casting Purgatory
--Too late and he becomes untargetable and you lose your chance.
If you time it right you will hit him as he is casting Purgatory. Once the channel starts it is too late.
If successful Karam will not regain health and will not go inside the purple bubble but will chase the infernal around and be untargetable.

I dotted Raest but mostly ignored him. Dot the adds and spread Seed of corruption and Phantom Singularity.
Try to pet move Karam into the adds so he gets hit by the aoe. Our goal is to keep Karam as dead as possible.
At 30 seconds on the timer summon the Succubus. Get into a good position and get ready to Whiplash Karam.
This was hard, you have to be patient and Whip him during the Purgatory cast bar right before the channel.
I kept whipping him as soon as Raest started talking but that was too soon (about 40 seconds on the timer).

If successful you will avoid Karam healing again and you only need to run away from him briefly.
Summon Doomguard during this time for the interrupt and cripple (Hands should not even spawn if done perfectly).
Doomguard can be pet moved onto the runes to absorb them.
Use burning rush, demonic gate, rocket boots, whatever to keep away from Karam.

Spread dots and seeds if you can.
As soon as Karam is targetable he should have very little health just quickly kill him (less than 20%).
Once he is dead Raest will only cast runes. Clean up any adds and just kill Raest in peace.

This is basically the same strat I used with MM hunter but the taunt method was very convenient plus pet soaking runes is great.
I had no experience with affliction spec and I did not have the Sacrolash legendary available to me.
Learning this fight on MM hunter taught me the timer for the second purgatory.

Good luck

Kommentar von GhostPants

Next to impossible quest. Waste of time. Been trying forever on with marksmanship hunter. Waste of time and too frustrating.

Kommentar von alpanhell

kind of funny no one mentions what a buggy sad quest this is in general.

Karam swims through rocks, etc so it's easy to lose sight of him. When Raest dies both bodies disappear, makes no sense at all. Gives you absolutely no idea what to do (you go back to Dal to turn in the quest). I've done several of these Challenge quests and so far this is the only one in such bad shape.

the more I do this one the sadder it gets. Adds float through the air, the Hand is underground where you can't see it. I'll have the Hand targeted and all of a sudden I die to its cast when it's clearly not even casting.

Not sure whether it's a sad statement about Blizz's lack of s/w quality, lack of caring or the players acceptance of garbage.

Kommentar von silverage

I just completed it on my second try on my (overgeared) hunter.
I had ilvl 934 and 4 T21 set items.
I also used the focus macro.

The first time i went in, i only used my Horn der Ehre and and i managed to bring Karam down to 33% in less than 30 seconds. Then by the time i got Raest to about 75% Karam started chasing me again and in the end i died.

The second time i bought consumables. I dps'ed Karam down to 33% without using any cooldowns and then i unloaded everything on Raest.
I got him a little under 30% before Karam started chasing me again. I dps'ed him down again with what remained of my cooldowns and then i finished Raest off.

I used this macro
/use Drums of Fury
/use Potion of Prolonged Power
/cast Trueshot
/use 13

I never focused on the adds. I just kited them around me.
If you try this, take the Geduldiger Scharfschütze talent, it helps ramp up your damage.
Don't forget to use your Teerfalle , it helps you cast many Gezielter Schusss

I really wanted this appearance as i never managed to get Rhok'delar, Langbogen der uralten Bewahrer back in vanilla.

Kommentar von kerrymayall

Affliction Warlock. ilvl 919. Only significant legendary was Soul of the Netherlord. which enables you to have both Siphon Life and Death's Embrace talents. You will also absolutely want Sow the Seeds talent for the extra SoC's. The only buff i had was Bear Tartare and Flask of the Whispered Pact, for a bit of extra spellpower but this is optional.

Based on a video i watched from Method.Snutz, you are using the cheese method of using Mortal Coil to interrupt Karam casting Purgatory. Cast this as soon as Raest FINISHES saying "Useless", from a distance of about 10 yards.

Here's the thing though: you can use the Infernal pet for the entire fight, so as soon as Raest becomes targetable send your pet to him, Karam will follow as he is glitched and your pet still has aggro on him. Pop your Reap Souls, get a 15 stack Agony/Siphon Life ticking on Raest. Do not go overboard with Unstable Affliction because you can win this fight solely with SoC spam so you will need your shards

You will need to use Burning Rush or Demo Portal to reposition yourself on the opposite side of where new adds are spawning in. This is to ensure that your pets Immolation Aura will pick up aggro on these mobs. The resulting mob density means Karam will be destroyed by the overlapping SoC/Soul Flame explosions (he was at 33% health when you glitched him) and it is a cakewalk after that once you are down to just Raest (remember to keep Reap stack up).

The only thing to keep an eye out for is to stand on the summon spawn that appears (the purple patches. If the big add does spawn just Banish). There are only 2 spawn points so Burning Rush is your winner at this stage.

I had tried the conventional method about 25 times but was having great difficulty with the Hands in phase 3. Switched to this method and got it on my 2nd try.

It's cheesy, but it works.

Kommentar von pelaaja0

Karam despawns if you have not killed him by the time Raest dies. Sadly no extra rp for saving him :(

Kommentar von Moonlost

Just finished this fight today on my ilevel 927 MM Hunter after a handful of flopped attempts. Very, very fun fight that feels really well designed for the tools we're given. I used to love being the resident kiter in my old guild back in WotLK, doing this was a nice nostalgic trip.
Legendaries were and , the only two (besides the ring) I had on this character.
Talents were pretty much the same as what was given in the guild here on Wowhead, except I swapped out for - I found that was a more efficient and consistant way for me to keep Karam CCed. A macro for anyone else using this talent:
#showtooltip
/tar Karam
/cast Wyvern Sting
/targetlasttarget

I have two other big tips that won me the day

Burn Raist down in Phase Two
I found that saving all my big cooldowns for phase four meant I was also having to juggle all the adds still up - making it a bit more cumbersome to just stand still and unload on the evil twin. Especially if you also have a hand still active. Burning him down in p2 meant I was able to spend more time standing still and focusing on my rotation, with even a few seconds of calm before he starts calling up his shadow minion friends. This also ended up meaning that I had less health to burn in Phase 4 and, as a result, did not need to spend so much time worrying about the phase 4 mechanics. On my successful attempt, I only had to deal with one circle and a few seconds of Karam chasing me before I finished Raist off.

Don't Forget about Aspect of the Turtle.
I didn't see this mentioned in the guild, which is a real shame since it saved my bacon a whole lot during my attempts. prevents a good chunk of damage and, even better, marksman hunters gain Healing Shell from their artifact. This is a get out of jail free card if you've screwed something up, or multiple mechanics have sprung up on you. I popped mine when I was swamped by adds and still had a circle to step on and it saved that attempt. I swear it blocks all damage from the hands too, or at least mitigates it enough that taking a blast at low levels of health is doable.

There's not much time left to go before these challenges go away, I hope this helps any other late-comers! Best of luck, and hang in there <3

Kommentar von magnetgrrl

This has to be one of the most unbalanced, PITA, crap quests I have EVER seen in WoW. And, I just don' t care *that much* about an appearance.

Kommentar von Death2snails

Even after taking it down at the start of the expac this quest is overtuned. Can't be touched or you die. Can't allow things to cast or you die. Pick a lane.

Kommentar von Huey1N

Meh

Kommentar von Nyxob24

Did this one today, 1 week away from patch 10.2, on my shadow priest. Seemed like way easier than before with the rework on Spriest.
There's something I noticed, that no other guide or video told me, which I wish I knew sooner.

The add that fixes you, it goes faster after the first ritual. So far, I heard it in a guide. At some point, you will want to kite adds, plus the one fixing you, and you will run out of "visibilty" and panic a lot cause the mob is faster and faster. What no one told me, is that when the boss is free casting, and the mob is running to you fast as hell, this time, he will be killable. And as soon as you kill him, he don't come back! Off course, it seems like boss is doing more damage to you, but as a Spriest you have a lot of toolkit to survive easily (barely dropped under 30% hp at all). So dont be like me and waste attempts trying to bring down boss and crowdling adds and dealing with mecanics, dying in the rune because fixing add caught you there. Kill that mofo as soon as you can. It will make the room more clear, you will only have to deal with little adds (which can be easier to regroup and shadow crash now that you dont have to move every 0.5 second), and the hands + rune. It makes it soooooo much easier, even if boss deals more damage. Don't panic, use embrace, potions, use you drum and dps potion there, and if you are lucky like me and got a Sark trinket, it will drop the boss soooooo much more faster, or even use it on a pack of adds if you feel overwhelm.

Also, make sure to use improved silence to reduce the cooldown. usually you won't need to silence the hands, you can kill em pretty fast. But if you happen to be overwhelm and struggling to dps em down fast enough, if you don't have the talent, you wont be able to have silence back for 2nd hand and obviously, will have to nuke it or die there.
I think that I did like 20 attempts, and my last attempt was pretty clear, no adds at the end alive, 100% hp, and a self confidence insanely high!

You can do it guys!

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Ich habe Neuigkeiten von Erzmagier Karlain! Die Kirin Tor haben Raest Magusspeer ausfindig gemacht und können ein Portal zu seinem Aufenthaltsort öffnen! Wenn Ihr bereit seid, ihm gegenüberzutreten, werde ich die hiesigen Magier anweisen, das Portal in den Wirbelnden Nether zu öffnen.

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