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Kommentar von MojoBoingo

Saurfang is a coward who abandoned his people as they were entering a renewed conflict because he decided his own personal definition of honor was more important. He didn't challenge Sylvanas about what she was doing, he gave up. And now he thinks he can come back and free us from... what exactly?

I don't particularly care for Sylvanas. But I hate where Saurfang's story is going. I don't want a Horde lead by someone who thinks we should lay down and die rather than fight for every scrap of life we can. Because that's who the Horde are: the outcasts determined to band together and survive in a world filled with prejudice against them.

Kommentar von funckle1

I accidentally completed this quest not realizing the option to side with Sylvanas was a dialogue choice on Zekhan instead of taking this quest. I would like if they added an option to change our minds with Zekhan after this is completed because I seem to be stuck right now.

Kommentar von Ludd33

I needed to relog to see Rokhan and pickup the quest, after killing hunter and his doggies I could see "grim tidings" as mission on the map but no NPC around to start it so I tried the old relog and see what's what. It worked

Kommentar von Kryllo

If you can't see the quest giver for this quest in Redridge Mountains. I found that if you are on an assault quest from one of the zones, abandoning it will make the quest giver appear.

Kommentar von MizWeirdo

Since it was a dialogue option and not a quest option, I clicked No Betray to see what came up - it gives you a big popup warning that there's no turning back, you won't ever get to do this questline, are you sure, etc.

So I cancelled that and took the quest.

Kommentar von Snagrat

If you constantly click on Zekhan he will eventually say:

"The other trolls say i become something called a..er meme. Can anyone tell me what that means?"

Best line in BFA

Kommentar von MelancholyRose

Blizzard really screwed the pooch on this one. There is a warning for siding with Sylvanas, but NO warning for when you side with Saurfang. The quest never implies that agreeing with this white-knighting troll has a permanent effect on the plot, or that it was actually one of two possible options. You cannot change your mind later. Once you accept and complete "Grim Tidings," and move on to the next phase in the quest, you cannot go back. Had you lacked the foresight to approach Wowhead to further look into this quest, you would be none the wiser.

The multiple realms of role-players that have been playing WoW for over a decade were, in all essence, given the middle finger after finally being given the option to actually role play as their character. While I don't play on an RP realm, I still love story choices, and the fact that Blizzard didn't warn my Forsaken character that I'd be siding with Saurfang permanently, and not Sylvanas, who my character has been loyal to since I created him, is kind of-- nay, very insulting. The quest itself was a bit of an insidious lure. It hooked in my curiosity, my need to investigate and to learn more. Had I known I could never change my mind, I never, ever would have chosen to help Saurfang as my undead warlock.

Players worldwide have been trying in vain to reach out to GMs about this horrible implementation, and they've been told that they have to suck it up. It's almost as though they're trying to sneakily guide players into siding with Saurfang. I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but that wouldn't surprise me in the least. He seems to be their precious golden boy that they're grooming to become the new warchief, and it'd be nice to feel like I influenced something for once. However, I feel like the choice itself was not given to me, but taken. All because I went on with the quest without realizing that a simple, casual dialogue choice-- something that hundreds upon hundreds of quests have featured until now with no story consequences-- was an actual, real, permanent story choice in the game.

Now I'm left stranded, and I'm not helping either of them. I'd rather do nothing than take part in a choice I didn't even want to make. Whether you agree with me about who should be sided with-- my own personal choice doesn't matter-- it can be agreed upon that the first major story option in a game should have come with its own giant red button. I realize I can complete it differently on my alts... but it's not about that. I wanted my Undead character to have the choice he would have made.

Kommentar von FlexoAdapt

I came here looking for the TLDR on what the two choices result in at least in the short run...couldn't find it, so here is a quick summary.

I chose to stick with Sylvanas on my main. It results in a quest called "For the Queen" which sends you back to Orgrimmar to speak with Sylvannas and rewards 456 Azerite power and ends the quest line for now.

On an alt I chose to side with Saurfang. In this case you go on a small quest chain to encounter Saurfang and get a toy, the Worn Cloak which you will not get if choosing the side with Sylvanas.

I kept it a bit vague so I didn't ruin the choices completely.

***Follow up***

The decision made at this stage of the game has no appreciable bearing on the next 'choice' involving Blaine Bloodhoof in patch 8.1.5.

***2nd Follow up***

I just finished the 4th war story line. The choice at this stage has no bearing or limitations on subsequent choice options. There is no impact on your reputation, quest choices, rewards (i.e. you're not going to miss a toy---save this step--- or a title). However, there is a small twist to the ending scenario and a bonus quest to speak with Sylvannas for those that remain loyal throughout the stages.

Kommentar von X2GG

If you decided not to betray the Banshee Queen,, you will get this quest:
Für die Königin

On completion,, The queen will say:
our loyalty will not go unrewarded, champion. Lyana departed here only moments ago.

I have dispatched the dark ranger and a contingent of loyal deathguard to apprehend the traitor Saurfang in Swamp of Sorrows.

He may come peacefully, or he may not. Your hands should not, in any case, be bloodied in this confrontation. You are to remain a hero, golden in the eyes of the people, as we have need of.

And as for that troll you mentioned, I have special plans for him.

Kommentar von ranathane

Warning! If you use Zygor, it will auto accept siding with Saurfang.

Kommentar von decaydence

At least as of right this minute, if you accidentally accept this quest not realizing it's a major decision til it's too late, you can immediately abandon the quest and Zekhan will reappear nearby with an exclamation mark and you can either select "Will not Betray" or select the quest again. I did NOTHING beyond accepting the quest, I didn't even leave the area before I abandoned Grim Tidings.
Hope this saves a few people some anguish, you may not be stuck if you catch it quick enough!

Kommentar von magnetgrrl

Something seems messed up with this storyline.

I accepted the quest to meet Zekhan in Swamp of Sorrows. I completed that quest - I didn't really notice any other options. Now Zekhan is ONLY is offering a quest, "A Warrior's Death", to defend Saurfang. I accepted it at first and then after the dialogue, when I realized what was going to happen, I abandoned it. I thought I had caught things in time. I went back to where he's standing to try to re-start this - but it appears by just saying "Sure I'll meet you in Swamp of Sorrows" I've already betrayed my queen?

Now I'm stuck in this questline. I will never finish this. My UNDEAD WARLOCK would never betray the Dark Lady! It's totally absurd that you can get lead down this path and have no way to back it up.

Kommentar von Lichiana

Just got this quest and got a pop-up warning that my decision is permanent.

WARNING: This choice will prevent you from
completing the main Fate of Saurfang quests,
and will grant you an alternative quest instead.

You will not be able to obtain the Worn Cloak
toy, but other rewards will be obtainable.

Zekhan will remember this, are you sure?

I of course remained loyal to Sylvanas, my Banshee Queen.

Kommentar von Angelkicker

Hopefully I can still bring the traitor to justice, later, on this alt I "sided" with him on for the toy.

Glory to the Banshee Queen!

Kommentar von cephadex

It warms my heart to see that there are others here who are sad about Bliz's treatment of Sylvanas in this expansion: it was clear to me for a long time that they were deliberately trying to make her act in an unreasonable and "heartless" way in order to make players dislike her - in an obvious preamble to getting rid of her and making Saurfang the new warchief. This was more or less what they did with Garrosh in MoP as well - they made him act like a jerk so players won't like him, then made him a villain and got rid of him. (Then they added a cinematic about him in WoD that made players feel for him again... they're just trying to manipulate players' feelings in accordance with what they want to do with the plot).

But another thing that makes me sad is that clearly you won't get anything satisfying out of choosing not to betray Sylvanas - I mean, it was clear to me from the moment she was made Warchief that Bliz didn't intend to keep her there for long, and it was clear to me from the start of BfA that they were going to make Saurfang warchief. They were grooming him to look reasonable and honorable while simultaneously grooming Sylvanas to look irrationally emotional like they did with Jaina when she was very briefly the head of the Kirin Tor. So it was clear where they were headed with this when they had Sylvanas do things like kill her own people or unnecessarily set fire to Teldrassil. It's like with Garrosh. They're just making her do whatever ridiculous thing they want, there's no point in trying to defend or attack her as a character.

So with that said, even if you choose to be loyal to her it's clear that the outcome will be that she will be removed from power and Saurfang will ultimately be warchief, probably with Vol'jin as some kind of spirit advisor to him; (Zekhan is probably Vol'jin's son or something, maybe he'll be the warchief at some point-- or I wouldn't be surprised if Vol'jin will be a spirit-warchief and Zekhan will facilitate that with his shamanistic abilities). And probably the outcome of you deciding to side with Sylvanas instead of Saurfang will be that now Sylvanas will really have it out for both Saurfang and Zekhan-- which will manifest in Bliz taking more opportunities to present Sylvanas as being "unreasonable, heartless, and evil" in her treatment of them. Ie, they'll just keep having her act in a way that will make players dislike her, and then they'll turn her into a villain. No matter what you choose here it'll end badly for her, that was decided the moment Bliz made her warchief.

Kommentar von Shootr

Thank god I checked before i completed the quest. Went all the way to SoS and then decided to google it to make sure this wasnt the part where i could side with Sylvanas. To be clear, pick the dialogue option instead of accepting the quest to side with sylvanas, complete the quest to side with Saurfang.

Kommentar von Desertcobra

It seems the consensus of the comments is that Bliz is using us to advance their story line without actually telling us what they are doing, or where they are headed.

Of course, being the cynic that I am, it could be that Bliz will be keeping tabs on what percentage of us will honor our pledges and commitments. I have no idea why they would want to do that. But in this bfa expansion of fractured honor and integrity, the percent willing to simply change sides (without complete knowledge of the consequences) might be valuable to them in the future, or not.

Kommentar von Ca1ypso

This seems to be the quest line:

~~A Way Out~~ - /way Elwynn Forest 30.57 57.73
~~On Track~~ - /way Elwynn Forest 28, 61 Lock Inspected
/way Elwynn Forest 33, 64 Muddy Footprints
/way Elwynn Forest 34, 63 Follow Muddy Tracks
~~Eastern Escape~~ - /way Redridge Mountains 11.36, 66.81
~~Corner Crossing~~ - /way Redridge Mountains 14.36, 63.72 Question Guards (just running by them works)
/way Redridge Mountains 15.64, 65.38 Darcy Parker Questioned (inside tower)
/way Redridge Mountains 26.39, 41.43 Innkeeper Brianna Questioned *Mounting removes the Trank der Vermenschlichung* but you can reapply it indefinitely
/way Redridge Mountains 25.87, 39.74 Search Rooms for Clues (up the stairs, go through the room on the right to the room behind it. There's an Official Looking Note on the side table to the left of the bed.
~~Signs of Saurfang~~ - /way Redridge Mountains 23.88, 67.31 Discover Dirt Road
/way Redridge Mountains 26.37, 65.76 Ripped Webbing Found
/way Redridge Mountains 27.97, 67.46 Dead Tarantula Inspected
/way Redridge Mountains 29.10, 68.29 Ichor Inspected (green disc of slime under tree) then kill the spider that comes down
~~Ever Eastward~~ - /way Redridge Mountains 80.66, 46.99 Find Dark Ranger Lyana
~~Tracking Tipoff~~ /way Redridge Mountains 81.51, 52.41 Kill Hunter McAlister
Grim Tidings becomes available. *You are here* DO NOT ACCEPT THE QUEST WITHOUT COMMITTING TO A DECISION: Do you choose to support the Warchief Sylvanas? If so, you will get the quest For the Queen. You can also choose to accept the Grim Tidings quest, but keep in mind that this choice is permanent as of right now. If you choose to support Saurfang, the following steps and quests are the result:
/way Swamp of Sorrows 79.78, 74.75 Meet Zekhan
A Warrior's Death - /way Swamp of Sorrows 80.80, 78.71 Talk to Saurfang and protect him, receive Abgenutzter Umhang
Queen's Favor - Talk to Saurfang, then go to Grommash Hold in the center of Orgrimmar /way Orgrimmar 48.33, 71.16 Lady Sylvanas

Kommentar von xMika

Be careful if you're wanting to choose to follow Sylvanas. If you have an addon to auto-accept your quests (with no way to stop it without disabling the addon), it automatically accepts this quest so you can't choose the bubble instead. A friend and I both have an auto-accept addon and ended up helping Saurfang instead.

Don't make the same mistake! We were very confused (as I had somewhat known ahead of time we'd get to choose, but was unsure of when or how) and now have to wait until we have another character who's able to do the quest for the part we're wanting to see.

Kommentar von Kaerfemagsh

when i did this quest i wasnt given a choice, there was no other option but to side with saurfang, didnt get a warning message either

Kommentar von heartshinegirl

World Of Warcraft - Final Battle | Sylvanas vs Saurfang *

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHsG3cRHzC4

Foresight.

* Spoiler. Only watch if you want to see the fight between them at the end.

Kommentar von itsmejenni

so just to make sure, one gives you a toy and the other gives you azerite power?

Kommentar von fateswarm

I have a suspicion they let the choice siding against Sylvanas the easiest, because the player should have picked up already she's out of line. I had picked that up already and she is removed eventually from the Horde anyway.

Kommentar von fateswarm

I look at all those people in this thread supporting Sylvanas and I'm like wat. She was acting flamboyantly narcissistic since I remember. The main thing that was going for her that I liked was that the voice acting and post-processing of it was super cool.

Kommentar von Metoda

Updated video of this quest :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CYcLccfGEo

Kommentar von magnetgrrl

I was thinking I would maybe clean up some quests and stuff from BFA that I abandoned, out of spite, anger, frustration, and boredom. But the FIRST quest that I was led to was "A Warrior's Death" the sequel to the unforgivable NON-choice "choice" of betraying Sylvanas. I remembered abandoning this before on my main - and undead warlock - because I knew if I completed it I would end up killing a dark ranger. I just can't bring myself to do it, even now. I am a super completist about this game in all respects, but I don't think I can *ever* finish BFA content, unless I can go back and undo the stupid, horrible, Grim Tidings quest.

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Hey, Mann, diese Dunkle Waldläuferin bindet Euch 'nen Bär'n auf! Saurfang wusste, dass die hinter ihm her sin'. Er wollte, dass ich den Pass bewach' un' rausfind, wer ihn umbring'n will. Soll versuch'n, ihn zu warnen, wenn's geht. Die wird gar nix bericht'n... die wird ihn töt'n. Hat wahrscheinlich 'nen Haufen Todeswachen, die nur auf ihr Zeich'n wart'n. Wir müss'n die aufhalt'n! Seid Ihr dabei?

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Wenn du Folgendes im Spiel eingibst, kannst du überprüfen, ob du das schon abgeschlossen hast:

/run print(C_QuestLog.IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(54107))

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