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Kommentar von Sipder2

Currently this quest have big lag on Beta, hard to complete.
The NPC to start the quest is located in Bastion on the coordinates /way 58,80, 10,60

The secret to completing this quest is to try to stay close to the top fires (they have the most friendly hit box).

Update: The quest is easier to complete with more space between the flames.

Video guide https://youtu.be/0NiuwGzCYz4

Kommentar von Boxofbeer

Flugschule: Frenetisches Flattern is a world quest located in Bastion zone.
This quest is the easy peasy for those who like Flappy Bird video game. Others might get buttheart.
As in the named game you need to fly between obstacles using the only ability - Flap!
Touching an obstacle immediately fails the challenge. There's no checkpoint as well, you have to pass it with no fall.

This quest is a part of Absolvent der Flugschule achievement

Erbringt Euren Zehnt - https://youtu.be/Ct8aN9-PVm0

Kommentar von NelphieClassic

The Pilars are not even shown for me, it is not possible to complete i have flied for 10 mins + 10 times over.

Kommentar von Tolian64

This is basically Flappy Bird, Blizzard 2020 Style!

What does Blizzard 2020 style mean? Latency, unresponsiveness, and poor game design.

Instead of using a consistent hitbox, it uses your character's model, which like most modern Blizzard systems, sounds like it could be great on paper but is horrible to play. The action seems to register some half a second after you press, so you have to learn to predict it.

You basically have to try over, and over again until your brain adapts to Blizzard's terrible server problems and the invisible hitbox which has no correlation to your character.

I take back everything I said about those turtles, Blizzard can always make your daily questing experience much worse.

A black stain on an otherwise great expansion. I have a feeling they sacked all engineers (while making record sales) that knew anything about responsiveness and performance.

No wonder their talent is leaving.

Kommentar von airfighter001

Because of the terribly bad lag from button press to reaction in game you basically have to predict, where you will be in about half a second and act half a second before anything is happening. This also means you probably shouldn't use your second ability ever to prevent you from having not enough time to react +500ms to save yourself from hitting something.

Honestly baffling to me how this made it in the finished expansion.

Kommentar von Lucetia2896

Located at: /way 58.73, 10.58 - For those without coordinates if you go where the WQ is showing then you'll head directly for the center of that platform.

When you talk to Instructor Malo you will get three options:

I am ready - This initiates the standard version of the puzzle where things are spaced out far enough to where you have about 4 Kyrian bodies of length.
I'd like a lighter course today - Same as the above puzzle except you fall slower and increase your height slower.
I'd like to try the Paragon's Challenge - Same puzzle, but the spikes are closer to each other and you now have roughly 2 Kyrian bodies of length between the spikes making it a lot harder to miss the spikes. Due to how this one is currently designed (could be changed later) expect to spend some time here. Seen people spending 20+ minutes trying to get it due to poor hitbox.

How to control:
When you start you will press "1" which begins a countdown for the event to start. Once it starts you'll use "1" you to "bounce" up some and after you flap/bounce 10 times you can use "2" which speeds you across.

Things to note:
It seems the hitbox for your body is the size of a Kyrian making it easier to hit the spikes without noticing. For the first two options this isn't a problem, but for the Paragon's Challenge it makes it a lot harder.
If you are doing Paragon's Challenge I suggest not hitting "2" at all. If you want to get it over quick Lighter is probably the quickest.

Doing Paragon's Challenge will reward you with the Fliegerass

Completing this will earn you credit for the Absolvent der Flugschule achievement.

Coordinate Locations for TomTom/Paste:

/way #1533 58.73, 10.58 Instructor Malo

Note: Used Zone # since Blizzard used Bastion multiple times and TomTom can't find the zone correctly.

Kommentar von inexistent

Text/Voice when complete "Kleia says: Not bad! For someone who does not have wings, of course."

Playing as an Demon Hunter am I a joke to you.

Kommentar von Nova5269

Paragon difficulty is really screwy with it's hitboxes, you can get a spike in your head without failing but I've definitely not touched the spike with my foot and it failed me. If you keep at it and beat it you get the achievement "Airial Ace".

Kommentar von zzsdkzz

This quest is an absolute embarrassment to the game.

This made it through Q&A. Remember that, folks.

Kommentar von dankind64

I failed so many times that I made this macro to make it easier for me to retry :(

/target instructor malo
/script C_GossipInfo.SelectOption(3)

I just bound that to my 1 key and spam my "Interact with target" button.

Kommentar von venndann

If you mastered Brewfest Ram/Kodo racing, you can get this. On the lighter course, I was able to get through without using the 2nd ability, only Flap. I also found it easier to focus on the spears/flames below rather than above me. Hope this helps!

Kommentar von LonerPrime

Do your sanity a favor and stick to light challenge. Paragon one is not worth it right now as, like some things in this expansion, it's either broken for some players or outright undoable for others. I saw a video where a guy banged his head into every spear possible and still got it done. Yet when I tried it, I couldn't even stay afloat for 5 seconds before triggering some BS hitbox shenanigans.

Seriously, just get your daily done and move on. This isn't a challenge but a coded headache built by a dev who is clearly detached from a reality called "latency".

Kommentar von Grim32

So, you are not imagining this, the Paragon course is bull****.

I grinded this out for well over two hours - with my Tauren model. Each time, recording my key press with delays using my keyboards software (Corsair iCUE). Well, I did it. I re-ran the course ten times using the macro and failed all ten times in various places. Many times seemingly hitting nothing. This is just a course on "Maybe I'll have collision, maybe I won't"

My only advice I can offer is keep your eye on the bottom "spikes" there's far less leeway, and you will fail before touching them. In the top you can practically impale your head slightly.

You have to imagine the entire course as very large rectangles - almost like a wireframe model around the top and bottom sections

I've done a screenshot and added boxes of roughly where at the time of posting you can not get near: https://i.imgur.com/h8tCJuU.png

It is not easy. Many times you will literally hit nothing an fail. I'd expect a nerf to this in the future.

Kommentar von tworley210

It was fixed by the time I got to it for a world quest which yielded a conduit. Just flap by spamming #1 after the countdown ends when you click the checkered flag. The avatar will rise, use the easy course it's just fine.

Kommentar von lexicological

Paragon difficulty has absolutely miserable hitboxes.

Kommentar von z01z

as others have said, the hitbox on this quest is broken. combined with server lag, even with technically low latency (23ms when i was trying to do it), it's just terrible...

Kommentar von Stormbringer4190

is there any point to play the paragon difficulty?

Kommentar von madmodderx

If you want to make the game easier to visualize your hitbox on paragon, use your Book of the Unshackled (Horde), Transmorpher Beacon (may the models be ever in your favor), or Thistleleaf Branch.

The feet seem to been the bottom of the hitbox. Err more towards the top when possible

Kommentar von Mypciscraze

Hi all

Another embarrassment WQ xD.

Ok Speak with Ausbilder Malo to start "mini game" xD. To start press af first skill 1 xD. Then you will fly straight. Use skill 1 to fly just a little bit and skill 2 to do bigger jump. Care to not hit blades on top and bottom xD.

See My Video if need it - https://youtu.be/ES4FfONfcQY

Hope that help You go thru xD

Kommentar von Noeffect

This is the absolute worst quest, a completely waste of time and full frustration. Invisible hit boxes that kill you without even touching anything. Spent like 20 min on this with no success. Wouldn't recommend.

Kommentar von Malakyan

I Just got this achievement after 10-15min worth of try, I have no idea if they changed anything but its 100% doable as of now, I did it on my Human without any toys or other changes.

My 2cents and a tip, when you try to do this and you get to the big drop you have to do what I call a leap of faith, only tap once and allow your character to fall almost hitting the back/leftmost spears, every single time I passed the big drop and didn't do this I got in a weird position and always died but when I allow my character to fall like that I only needed 2 tries to get to the end.

Now this might be all in my head but I really feel like allowing your characters to fall like that puts you in a better spot than tapping again to give it a lot clearance

Kommentar von Dysgenic1

Can confirm that this world quest is finally fixed as of 04/12/20.
You are now able to see the pikes (and the actual goal of the WQ) at the top and bottom of the screen.

Thanks Blizz :)

Kommentar von mesugo

I'm not trying to dismiss anyone's negative experience with this, but I had absolutely no issues completing this. Takes a minute to figure it out but there was no lag or anything for me. As usual, I think the challenge is a feature, not a bug.

Kommentar von Ciante

Not available at lvl 49 through Die Fäden des Schicksals

Kommentar von Itfiggures

Remember Super Mario 3 on the Nintendo NES, the bit where you had to swim and avoid the squid. This is exactly the same, the squid are now spear tips, that's all. A lot of complaints here but this is probably the easiest quest in the history of the game, press 1 a few times, go to finish, get reward. If you can't complete I suggest you this go buy some Duplo or just suck your own thumb in the corner for fun.

Kommentar von Phaesimvotos

Tips for Paragon: Got it done after i figured out that its way easier to use Soar (the second ability) to get pass the middle tight section and then once more at the end. To use Soar you need 10 stacks, right when you get to 10 stacks you reach the hard section in the middle that i mentioned. i failed again and again and AGAIN there because I wasn't using Soar because I thought that it would be a death sentence because of how tight the level is. i literally had it done after two tries after I used Soar on those sections, if you don't its doable but way way harder.

Kommentar von Nyassae

I tried twice, and quickly realized I had already beaten World 2-2 in Super Mario Bros. Embarrassed by how terrible this quest was, I left it for others to tackle and moved on.

Kommentar von geekygirlish

WTF is wrong with Blizzard and all these Mario type quests in this expansion? I cannot do arcade crap and so many things in this exp involve precise jumping and flying. Really pisses me off that there are so many in wqs, were Blizz having anxiety about the new Playstation? I'd rather kill 20,000 mobs looking for that elusive void scarred gorilla hoof sinew than these bs quests.
Also love that there is absolutely NO explanation of what you are supposed to do! Hope to god all these awful flight quests are NOT a prerequisite to flying!

Kommentar von shadedemon

The key to this is to look at your feet, and the bottom line that you want to travel. Find your rhythm for going in a straight line, and only ever let your button press go a tiny bit longer when going down. If you let it fall much further, the acceleration takes it away and makes it very hard to not fall through. Descending only a tiny bit with each flap makes it much easier.

Kommentar von greencatspryte

I just took the 'lighter course today' which is perfectly sufficient for completing the world Q and finishes by reaching Malo at the end of the course. Don't go too crazy on the flight button or you'll hit the spikes above you, I never needed to use the leap button, and recommend just keep yourself above the bottom spikes a flap at a time and you'll finish easily.

Kommentar von Rediumkell

I'm fiddling with the various toys that change your image, and so far i've found that if you are a dwarf, or use Ai-Li's Skymirror toy to become a dwarf, your "Feet" will hit the spikes when the character model does, but you hit the top before your head hits them. As a blood elf this is still better, as the way they 'curl' themselves seems to cause you to hit the bottom AND the top when the character model doesnt actually touch.

Another toy, the Fal'Dorei Egg, turns you into a spider-person and it seems to be 'true height', as in your head and your feet hit the spikes when the model hits the spikes, but the image is a little "Wider" than it should be. I'll keep shuffling through toys that change models and see if i cant find a good one to complete the paragon challenge.

Kommentar von Jesther

I've commented on some quests as "worst quest ever". This one surpasses all of them - c'mon Blizz, really? Has anyone actually completed this one?

Kommentar von ogedeboe

Based on my experience today and comments posted here today (22 Dec 2000), I believe the difficulty of this WQ was significantly increased with today's reset. I've done this every time it's been up on normal within a try or two. Today, it took at least 30 attempts. Bug, or intentionally more difficult? You decide.

Kommentar von Trevin

I really wish some of these world quests would come with instructions. I chose “I’d like a lighter course today” because I didn’t know what to expect, and found myself it midair with only empty sky around me. I figured out the “flap” and “coast” controls easily enough, but could not change the camera position at all to see where I was supposed to go. After several minutes of flapping through empty sky with nothing in sight — long after Bastion had vanished from the mini-map — I was teleported back to Instructor Malo having apparently failed the course. No idea what was supposed to happen.

Kommentar von Thanalagon

It's amazing how they still manage to find new things to add to the game but if you can't make something bug-free or fix the massive server lags... why add something to just frustrate the players again?

Kommentar von foodgoddess

this is absolutely the worst quest ever. I can't get 2 seconds without going back to the instructor; You really suck on this one Blizzard

Kommentar von LilaGeist

I came here because I didn't know what I was supposed to be doing in order to complete this quest (like most SL quests, sadly). I wanted to change my camera view so that I could see where I needed to go, I thought I was supposed to hit the spear targets (like riding the manasaber in Suramar). Anyhow, it finally clicked for me that this is a mini platformer, like classic Mario or Sonic the Hedgehog...the course will move for you, you just need to flap or coast when appropriate in order to avoid hitting the spears. Once I realized that, it was easy to navigate through (I did pick the "lighter" option as it was my first time doing the quest) and I completed it on my first "real" try.

Kommentar von valera156

Just small info - making your character smaller doesn't help the hitbox size is pre-defined.

Kommentar von Epytropos

Tips for Paragon (Your Mileage May Vary):

RNG plays a role. Whether you get #$%^ed in a certain place will vary between playthroughs. The top appears to be somewhat more forgiving than the bottom. Perfect play is not enough to guarantee a win, so if you don't want to be patient with failures outside your control, don't try.
There's roughly 1/2second latency between hitting the button and it going. This does not appear to be tied to ping, as mine is 100ms and the delay is substantially higher.
Your hitbox does not match your character. With a human, you are roughly 20% taller than you appear, such that you will get &*!@ed about 1/10th your height before you hit the top or bottom, which must be taken into account. This may simply be latency.
Flap's upward momentum counters downward momentum, rather than simply moving up from wherever you are. If you're falling quickly, you will receive less 'up' than if you are closer to 0 vertical velocity.
The Soar (button 2) move must be used about a second after you get it the first time to get through the narrow region. When the narrow region ends, you must immediately hit 1 - do not wait for Soar to run out, or you will be ^&*!ed. This is not true for the second time you get it; in that case, you will need to save it for another 2-3 Flaps and use discretionally.

Most importantly, remember that no one can make you pursue this achievement, and if it makes you unhappy you should not be doing it. Completion won't make your parents get back together.

Kommentar von Luthagarn

What the hell, took the easy course timed it 49 seconds without speedup. Tried paragon and barely hit 20 seconds before I'm zoned out after touching the air around a spike. This is insane.

Kommentar von knitwhit

Quest doesn't work. Once you begin and hit 1 to start I get ported back to the instructor every time. Don't waste 15mins to run up for this quest.

Kommentar von falath

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8rikS1F6v0

I did it on the second time after watching this video. Counting and easy

Kommentar von shootit

Don't think of this as a 3d game you are only moving from left to right flapping up and down.

Kommentar von Yamachampion

Difficulty and frustrations aside, am I missing something or is absolutely no information presented to the player about this quest? It tells me to speak to Malo, there are no instructions, just a start button. I'm suddenly in a weird 2D plane with, again, no information. I click start and fall and get sent back. Without coming here for information, I would have had no idea what was going on. This has been my issue with many world quests so far. The NPC dialogue rarely guides you, and the quest tracking doesn't guide you, so...what does?

Kommentar von Azikael

Months later paragon difficulty still has broken bottom hitboxes while nearly half your model can go through the top. I couldn't imagine having bad internet or low end pc I mean come on a high schooler could literally make a flappy bird knock off better than this.

Kommentar von runningrabbit

I found the best method is to only look at the bottom spears and try to maintain a consistent height above them. For the most part I only "flapped" when my wings were coming down and I tried to maintain constant timing of the flaps (of course you will need to add an extra flap when you're approaching spears that are coming up that are a higher level). Hope that makes sense.

Kommentar von Eitrualst

I have tried this WQ 6 times completing it to the end where the Kyrian guy is and it wont let me complete it. What am I doing wrong?

Kommentar von Boanergese

Let me make this simpler for everyone since the game doesn't explain to you what to do. There are spears above and below you. If you hit either spear you lose and the challenge restarts. I was hitting the flay key (1) really fast not knowing why it ended so fast. What others said is true also for advice. If you chose the second option the quest is easier for going up and down. If you about to hit the top spear don't flap for a second. If you about to hit the ground hit the (1) key a couple of times. Just try to keep your character in the middle. You can hit the (2) to propel forward, but make sure there is a lot of space in front of you and the spears are not about to slant up or down.

Kommentar von jwolfley

big diff if use keyboard '1' or mouse click the 1 icon. use the mouse.

Kommentar von WoWplayer001

What would you say - "just sad" or "depressingly tragic" that Blizz's rip off of a mobile game is so horrifically badly implemented? The "Paragon Challenge" is broken AF.

Kommentar von LoveDragon

I ran into a glitch, and as a reference I was a fresh Threads of Fate character
There were no spears top or bottom and I was able to go far past the 'finishline' (there was no NPC waiting for me), and failing/redoing the WQ did not work
Only thing that worked was relogging

Kommentar von freakymoonbeam

Cookie Run: Ovenbreak has weirdly prepared me for this.

Kommentar von Shardsy

You will move from left to right (you can't turn or change camera angle). You must not touch the swords above or below you. Adjust your altitude by pressing the "1" button.

Kommentar von solear77

Some of y'all never played Flappy Bird and IT SHOWS

Kommentar von Morscerta

When I was a kid in the early 80s my Mom said I was wasting my life (and quarters) in the arcades.

Looks like she was wrong because playing Joust paid off!

In your face, Mom! hahaha

Kommentar von Dorelei

Things that helped me get through 2+ hours of attempting Paragon:

1. Deep breaths.
2. Zen meditation.
3. Counting my heartbeats while pressing the 1 button.
4. Careful With That Mic by Clutch, especially the part that goes "take a deep breath and count to 10, ain't gonna let it get under my skin" and parts with screaming.
5. Ice cream. Lots of ice cream.
6. fingerless gloves.
7. Tissues.
8. The stupid magpies outside my window which mocked me with their powers of flight.
9. Reading this page and feeling the companionship and support of my brothers and sisters who hated this mini-game yet bulled through it anyway just for a 5 point achievement.
10. more deep breaths.

Kommentar von weltallica

How can a multi-BILLION dollar AAA company with a fleet of developers do a worse job than one guy making a mobile app in his bedroom?

Kommentar von babajaga1

The mechanics reminds me of an old Williams arcade game 'Joust'

Kommentar von Zorenta

First 2 times I died, I didn't realize we weren't supposed to touch the spears. 3rd time? I tapped my flap key to the tune of a musical note in my head and made it to the end. 2 quick taps/1 sec breather/2 quick taps/1 sec breather/ect. Started and finished this in 5 minutes flat, failures & all.

Kommentar von Dilph

Another Bull#$%^ quest

Kommentar von stickywarp

Instead of using the button on the action bar in the quest, use the 1 and 2 buttons on your keyboard. This took me a long time to figure out as I was thinking that I could use my space bar to jump higher to avoid the spears. When I decided to click on the buttons in the quest, that worked ok but there was a lag issue. It seemed to me that perhaps the 1 and 2 keys on the keyboard might be better and it was. HTH!

Kommentar von Kailea

A) this WQ is still absolute garbage, you can fail/restart even if you don't touch anything and it's 100 km away from nearest flight route on the farthest point from Oribos or any other zone in SL.Waste of time, there are always better options.

B) Blizzard should not hire Nintento fans as devs, WoW is not arcade game.

Kommentar von pepperone

Once I worked it out..took 20 second. Select light mode, watch screen for countdown, once starts, keep eye on spikes let yourself fall towards spikes then flap just once. Flap too many time and you will end up on spikes...Simple. Hope this helps..

Kommentar von Kagekura

reading the comments you see every game listed EXCEPT the only game it's actually mimicking... Flappy Bird .... and I'm sorry, it took you all HOW LONG? to figure out not to impale yourself on spears?

Kommentar von wowilovehead

If these are the challenges of the Paragon, I see now why it was easy to convert to the Aspirants to the Forsworn.

Kommentar von Avighna

Absolute nutcase quest design or a ripoff of gameplay (flappy bird)?

Kommentar von Cenuij

Turn off all your addons, to reduce chance of intermittent UI lag spike.

Kommentar von Auroraa1

I legitimately made an account for wowhead after years of using, just to talk about this stupid WG. After almost an hour of attempts, full of cursing and pure rage, I was FINALLY able to complete the Paragon difficulty. What a completely and utterly terrible and bugged quest. Which I know has been said multiple times, but I just need to say it myself, to hopefully feel better about all the time I wasted. The only advice I can give is the spears are very touchy at the bottom as compared to the top. Stay as close to the top as you can, you can pretty much touch the tip of the top swords and never "fail," but if you come even close to touching the bottom and you will fail. As long as your whole head is not into the top spears it will most likely let you keep going. Also don't use the boost, its more hassle and takes away from your attention than it is worth.
I also found it so annoying that every attempt that you fail you get teleported out and have to talk to the NPC to restart. Why not just keep you in the simulation and let you restart immediately? I understand this is a trivial complaint, especially considering all the other flaws with this quest, but when you are doing 100 + attempts having to run back, and chat makes it even longer and more frustrating.
All you get for completing is an achievement, which really isn't worth all the frustration. But I'm glad it's over, haha.

Kommentar von HoustonBud

I don't understand the whining about this quest at all. Of course, I come from a generation where Pac Man and Mario Bros were a thing. It's a simple movement manipulation using the "1" key to stay in a generous channel between spears that make you start over should you clumsily impale yourself.

Kommentar von Pouned

Does anyone have a video of how to do this with a Tauren ?
I've been trying for 2 hours in a row. There are always a few parts where it's really "tight" vertically that always, always fail.
The Tauren is kinda huge and has a huge hitbox so it's a nightmare as a Tauren.

A video we could study as a Tauren would help.

Kommentar von bronzerivet

Paragon difficulty took maybe 10 or so tries? I only used the "2" button one time. I recommend using keyboard 1 and 2 instead of moving the mouse to click buttons.

"1" is a short hop. Timing is important but I agree it is frustrating due to hotbox weirdness.

"2" is a leap forward. It goes the same height as a "1" but you fly farther. The "2" button is available after 10 or more clicks of the "1" button. You will only really need the "2" button once.

Start the event by tapping 1, and getting the countdown. You will need to practice when the "1" short hop will work, but at 11 clicks, you will want to press the "2", to get through the narrowest portion of the track.

After that, it is back to timing your "1" taps until you are done.

I hope this helps. Be patient with yourself. Good luck.

Kommentar von Taizunz

As of 10.2.5 this quest may bug out if you begin the minigame while mounted on a mount that is capable of Dragonriding.
In my few tests you either get disconnected from the game or you end up floating in the air and shortly thereafter fall into the ether and get picked up by an NPC and carried to safety.
This doesn't happen if you're on an "old school" flying mount (or dismounted) when you begin the minigame.
I have reported it using the in-game bug reporter and will update this comment if I come across it in a fixed state at a later time.

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Wenn du Folgendes im Spiel eingibst, kannst du überprüfen, ob du das schon abgeschlossen hast:

/run print(C_QuestLog.IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(60911))

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