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Kommentar von peeweesweden

I wonder what posible use this can have. In order to have any efffect, you'll need at least 4 combo points, and to get those before being able to stun an opponent for 5-6 seconds before turning to another target really seems useless.

Or am I missing something?

Kommentar von Windwalk

There are several ways to use this spell. The first thing that you need to see is that it simply doesn't do poor damage. On my decently geared 62 druid, I get 1k+ crits on cloth. The other incredible part of the spell is that DOTs continue ticking without breaking it.

This allows you to load up pounce - mangle - rake - moonfire - (insect swarm?) and THEN maim. The damage of maim combined with the DOTs ticking can finish your enemy off very quickly with minimal damage to you.

The other use of this spell as a druid is to use it to transition to another form. Maim + root - heal will be very viable.

Kommentar von 18784

this is a GREAT transition move, kind of like bash for bearform. plenty of time for a heal or two and time to shapeshift again.

Kommentar von 3465

If you can manage it as a lot of rogues do, in pvp, a 5 pt mangle, deselect target and restealth...pounce all over again. (This is really dependant on how fast you get out of combat in your server)

Kommentar von 6780

Not your damaging finisher. Bite and rip are for that. This has 3 uses
1. Spell interuption
2. "stun" for a shift heal
3. limited stun lock (no KS like rogues but we aren't rogues).

Kommentar von 21328

Is it possible to stay in cat form, get out of combat and restealth on the duration of the 6sec stun?

Kommentar von 6533

In PvE yes it takes ~10 seconds to get out of combat, but in PvP it only takes 5 seconds of none direct(?) damage towards the target to get you out of combat. Effectivly you could get a 5 combo point Maim up wait behind the target for 5 secs, stealth, wait for GCD (1.5secs?) and pounce, rince and repeat. Hopefully that's correct because it would be amazing in theory.

Kommentar von 38374

It is indeed possible to drop combat and restealth in PvP encounters. you don't even need a max amount of combo points.

For Feral Druids:

Just Pounce->Mangle-> Shred(if OoC)-> Maim and drop your target and start running.

You will leave combat around the time they are getting out of maim.

Restealth and repeat as much as possible.

Kommentar von 5883

Just to clarify what a lot of people seem to be confused by:

Stun: Target cannot move or perform any action, and continues to take damage for the duration of the effect.

Incapacitate: Target cannot move or perform any action, but any damage taken will revive the target.

Maim is not a stun. If you don't like the word "Incapacitate", call it a gouge instead, because it's exactly the same effect.

Kommentar von EvilElpay

Scroll up, it says stun.

Kommentar von 6736

With the Season 3 Arena feral gloves (not yet on wowhead), Maim can interrupt spell casting and prevent any spell from that school from being cast for 3 seconds.

Kommentar von 107318

I really think maim should be changed to be just like kidney shot in that you can do direct dmg during it without breaking.

Kommentar von 165481

Can this thing crit?

Kommentar von 145736

yes it can, like ferocious bite can. and, i believe, every melee attack that deals immediate damage can crit. for example, rake can crit, but shred can't.

Kommentar von 591

If you notice it doesn't say anymore that dots will not break the effect... So its a nerf..

What is the point of gauge finisher when anything can break it

Kommentar von phalk

By what I heard from the Beta Testers on the druid forums, the effect is REAL HARD to break. They also said they couldn't break it yet, even trying hard. This could be a bug, however.

Kommentar von veno3

This ability is in line for some changes! Quote from Beta forum:

Maim will break from the same amount of damage that Fear, Entangling Roots etc. breaks with now. It's a flat amount of damage based on the HP pool of the target (its' different for players and creatures), we haven't settled on the right number yet though.

Kommentar von 162742

Did anybody even think about the ability to get off another Shred with this move?

Pounce > Mangle > Shred > Shred (OoC) > Mangle / Rake / Maim (if OoC Shred was used) > Maim > Shred

If OoC procs on the Maim, awesome. But even if it doesn't, if you time it right, you can have just enough energy to get off a Shred and hopefully finish. The bleed from the Pounce / Rake won't break it, so you still do good damage while waiting for the energy tick. This move is basically a rogue's Kidney Shot + Eviscerate in one move, except it's not as damaging as Eviscerate, and it doesn't have the "break on nothing" ability that Kidney Shot does, but it's still an awesome move and IMO better than Rip. Also, can anyone confirm if this turns your attack off?

Kommentar von 60687

Hmm... "The victim's spellcasting is also interrupted for 3 sec."

How would that work?

eg.:
1.) You have 1 combo-point.. Maim!... Stunned for 2 sec, and 1 sec additional "silenced"?

2.) You have 4 combo-points.. Maim!... Stunned for 5 Sec... And no silence, since that only counts for the first 3 sec.?

I don't suppose it's added to the stun? =

3.) 4 combo-points.. Maim!... Stunned for 5 Sec... THEN here after 3 sec. "silence"?

Coz that would be kinda imba...

Kommentar von 70784

WoTLK Beta shows this ability working just like a Kidney shot for a rogue. Maim the target and stun them and keep wailing on them without breaking stun.

Looks fantastic!

Kommentar von ToranagaSAn

In BC maim interrupt part was added to PVP gloves - and has PVP proporse to use this ability to kill healers with some one's help becouse any direct dmg removed maim or without stoping to DPS them... Now it's looks for me like interrupt effect added to bash (3sec interrupt with 4-5sec stun) and have a PVE interrupting proporse on bosses and mobs that have immune for the second effect (incapacitates and stuns)..

Kommentar von Beldex

Ok, I'm sure this is obvious. I can't for the life of me figure out what MW is. It shows in the dmg it does.

Kommentar von 229037

I was actually thinking that the following combo will be viable in PvE aka grinding/questing:

Pounce -> default feral druid procedures -> mangle if the duration of the debuff is less than 6 seconds -> maim -> wait for the last debuff second -> shred -> mangle.

Or the Ferocious Bite as a finisher would be better? :)

Kommentar von 195714

Maim Blackhand.
One of Blackhand's son.
He was removed from the game I think.
His brother
Rend Blackhand

Kommentar von Elver

Maim is really good to use on most casters in pvp (prove me if im wrong), because it interrupts spell cast and incapacitates. For example, if you use this on a mage they cannot blink for the first 3 sec. if your a rogue and kidneyshot a mage, they still can blink. Right now, ive been killing mages pretty easily :D

Kommentar von 298360

May not be obvious for someone looking for what Feral Druids can do.
This is the Cat Form's Kidney Shot / Garrote

Kommentar von 237385

I use this more often than any other finishing move in leveling or grinding. If you open with pounce and follow with maim with 4 or 5 CP that you should have already, you can generally kill a mob with taking at the most one hit, if any at all. This = no downtime.

Kommentar von ADneo

3.1 patchnotes incase someone missed
Maim now stuns the target instead of incapacitate
a good change and a bad change same time
good is that its gonna be great in duels and and most situations in arena, u can unload dps and not be afreight that Maim will break on dmg, bad is that it will share DR with other stunts, will have to play smart and avoid that, (and rem not to maim mages anymore)

hopefully this change will go live. finally ability that i will use more often in arena, i usualy use maim just for interupts.

Kommentar von painezor

Finally going to be able to be blinked out of come 3.1.2, previously wasn't counting properly as a stun. (Source)

Kommentar von 431184

Hi,
i'd like to introduce an idea that might solve a few of our problems.
Some ferals complain about shred's pos requrirement, but maybe the ability would just be too op if they removed it, and i dont want the feral to become an other utilitiyless class with insane burst that people just whine about (aka ret).
So here is the idea:
Claw should get a 10 sec CD whith a 3 sec lockout effect (off GCD off course), the whole thing could be added to a high level feral combat talent so that it could remain a DPS ability at low levels (above Leader of the Pack, a good
candidate could be Predatory Instincts). They could raise the Maim cooldown to 20 sec like Kidney Shot hell, even 30, i don't mind, or they could just put it on the same cooldown with Claw.
I think we just deserve a crappy off GCD off CP interrupt like all the other classes (except rets). I'm just tired of being unique in watching the healers castbar helplessly raising.
Thx for reading and if you like the idea then just keep it alive, spread it everywhere.

Also, since they nerfed Rend and Tear to the ground and we are the only spec with 2 51 pointers
(the feral tree is very bloated and this way would become even more) they could change it to a 3 rank talent.

Kommentar von mohamad

good for PVP starting with pounce and with brutal impact ( talent ) and useing maim
same as rogues cheap shot and kidney shot

Kommentar von kaelbloodelf

the druid shouldnt be BETTER THAN THE ROGUE should be an immitation
i mean druid has this 5 second stun with 10 sec cooldown and rogue has a 6 second stun with 20 sec cooldown

Kommentar von Aera

Prowl, Pounce, Mangle, Rake, Tiger's Fury for 60 free energy w/ talents, Maim, Mangle, Bear Form, Enrage, Maul, Bash (another stun), Cat form (Will have 100 energy when you have 5/5 Furor talent, Mangle, (They will now be free of stuns),Rake, Maim (stunned again) - Should now be very close to death, do whatever you see fit :)

Kommentar von guatafu

As with Cheap Shot-Kidney Shot. Maim now shares DR with Pounce.

Not sure when this change happened but before, they were on a different type of CC DR; CS and Pounce were considered "opener stuns" whilst KS and Pounce were regular stuns along with Hammer of Justice, Charge, Shadowfury and friends.

Kommentar von 341063

Still at 35 energy, compared to Kidney shot's 25, hmm...

Kommentar von Skullhawk13

Did you mean Kidney shot?

Kommentar von TheZoog

Hilarious! In their infinite wisdom, Blizz made this a lvl 82 ability, but left it as an equip-bonus on the Brutal Gladiator pvp gloves you get at lvl 70. At least you still get the Bear Hug bonus on those gloves, that is, if you pvp in Guardian spec, which I suppose some do (I've never seen it though).

Kommentar von Teryx

An up to 5 second stun with 10 sec cooldown - resto druids should be aware of this ability, and have it hotkeyed to an easily accessible key on their cat bar. The only other stun resto druids can get is Mighty Bash, with 50 sec cooldown.

Usable in proving grounds, and at other times when healing is covered and there is room for some cat time CC and DPS.

Kommentar von SpareSimian

In current content (DragonFlight expansion), Main is now a tier 4 general talent.

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Finishing-Move, der körperlichen Schaden verursacht und das Ziel betäubt. Schaden und Dauer erhöhen sich pro Combopunkt:

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