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Kommentar von Carighan

It is more than a bit irritating that this spell only starts at lvl64. Not even talking about the time between the 2.0.2 patch and the release of the XPack, in which some talents are weaker than they could be due to this spell missing, it simple... doesn't fit.

I mean, why give the Shadow nuke at lvl1 but the Fire equivalent (it's not like it's more powerful) at lvl64?

Kommentar von rays

A good attack cycle with this spell: Immolate, Incinerate x2, and Conflagrate (if available)

Kommentar von 10732

Hmm, maybe.
Cycle: Immolate, 4x Incinerate, Conflagerate gonna work, 5x gonna be too much, you won't have any break at all!

Kommentar von 9836

Incinerate actually would do a bit more damage than Shadow Bolt with the +10% fire dmg from talents and it costs less mana than Shadow Bolt too! That is if Immolate is up.

Kommentar von 13572

The damage is already calculated before the fire animation actually hits the target so you can conflag away!

Kommentar von Carighan

Incinerate is technically the superior nuke for maximum-nukage. This is because it is impossible to "fully" spec Shadow Bolt (can't have Shadow Mastery and Shadow&Flame at the same time), but it is possible for Incinerate.

So in a full-Destro build, which is the highest nuking power you can obtain, Incinerate is your new main "workhorse". :)

Kommentar von 30252

For level 70 Warlock go with this talent build.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=AZdxczIbzZxx0tr0tVuV
When you sac your imp, you have +25% fire damage. The build allows you to use fire damage or go back to the shadow bolts for some fights. Basically this is how you do the fight. Curse of Elements, Immolate, Conflagerate (to get that cooldown started), Immolate, Incinerate x4, Conflag, then keep on repeating but of course don't repeat the curse. And if you pull aggro, like Warlocks do, pray for a backlash proc and you've got an insta cast incinerate or bolt. One thing i forgot, is that with Curse of Elements and that Talent Build, you have +35% against the selected target.

Kommentar von boneLazy

I was thinkin bout a 0/40/21 talent for +10% crit and +15% bonus damage (with succu). the damage bonus is surely better than SM/Ruin and it has 5% more crit than SM/Ruin too. I'm even thinking that this talent may make even incinerate to hit more than Full Destro.. I don't know what to do exactly but I'll try DT/Ruin for sure...

Kommentar von xgevangelist

"You forget also that Fire spec'ed mages convay the same bonus as shadow Weaving through improved scorch, and fire Mages are alot more common than Shadow Priests."

Wrong any good raid group always has one shadow priest for VT, not every good raid group will have a fire mage though for fire vulnerability.

Kommentar von Ksearo

See my above post.

Kommentar von Wildhorn

If you team with a fire mage to get Fire Vulnerability and a shadow priest to get Misery and you spec with the http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=AZdxczIbzZxx0tr0tVuV build

You can increase your damage by

15% + 5% + 10% + 15% + 10% = 55% + 20% of your +Fdmg

With 800 +dmg this give an initial damage of incinerate of:

479 + 686 = 1165 * 1.55 = 1806 (3612 crit) for 2.5sec cast

Ouch :)

Kommentar von 27894

I find that 0/21/40 Fire is better for Raiding, whereas 0/21/40 Shadow is still very good for raiding but overall is a little more well rounded for PvP than fire (for the extra points you may put into soul leech/aftermath/nether prot).

Kommentar von Kyeld

there's virtually no situation in an endgame raid where incinerate will be superior to shadowbolt unless you've got a weird build with neither imp. SB or bane... this is almost entirely a result of improved shadowbolt, causing shadowbolt crits to increase damage done by every warlock and shadowpriest in the raid by 20%. in a raid stacking locks and shadow priests, keeping the imp SB debuff up as much as possible should be a high priority.

Kommentar von msennin

Will Incinerate be the new king of Destruction DPS in 2.4?

Let's take a high T5 raiding Warlock. Assume 1446 damage, 28% crit, and 16% hit, 1% haste, a Shadow Priest, a Scorch Mage, CoE, and CoS. Also assume in either situation the Warlock is casting CoE for the raid and that the Incinerate Warlock has 5/5 Emberstorm and 5/5 Improved Immolate. Obviously the Imp is being sacrificed for fire while the Succubus is sacrificed for shadow. There are 2 Destruction Warlocks, 1 Affliction Warlock, and 2 Shadow Priests. The Affliction Warlock has 3/3 Malediction and is casting CoE for Incinerate and CoS for Shadow Bolts. You get the other curse. The GCD is affected by haste, but the Life Tap change is currently unknown and cannot be accounted for.

According to the Warlock DPS Spreadsheet v2.0 beta 4 which can be found on the Elitist Jerks forums (remember, this is under ideal settings):

Shadow Bolt Warlock:
Immolate + Shadow Bolt DPS = 1717.53

Incinerate Warlock:
Immolate + Incinerate DPS = 1829.17

Incinerate appears to be more viable than it has in the past, but ISB uptime will be the deciding factor. The Shadow Bolt Warlock provides a boost to the raid's Shadow damage (Shadow Priests and other Warlocks) and will scale with ISB uptime. Surprisingly the Incinerate Warlock seems to do more personal DPS in this specific situation.

Of course, this is all speculation for now. We'll only know for sure when 2.4 goes live.

Kommentar von 146819

In my opinion, Incinerate actually makes a better nuke than Shadowbolt (against mobs that aren't Fire-resistant).
The reason is: Shadowbolt doesn't do more damage from your other spells unless you put Curse of the Elements on the mob; Incinerate will do more damage if you throw on Immolate first, and it will do even more damage if Curse of the Elements is on the target.

Incinerate also has a lower mana cost and a shorter cast time.

Kommentar von Hayenne

Can anyone clarify if Incinerate gets 'an additional 111 to 128 Fire damage if the target is affected by an Immolate spell' if another warlock in raid keeps immo up?

Kommentar von Evaikyr

I really LOVE the 'snake' motion!

Kommentar von 293098

If you are destruction specced your incinirate you can have incinirate get +35% extra on your spellpower, and MC can give you an extra 10% damage, and also when CoE or anything other is up on target you get another extra 10%, with using glyph of conflagrate and backdraft this makes hell of a lot more dps than shadowbolt will do on destruction warlock.

Kommentar von Kiliana

One of the more interesting animations in the game.
Especially when you fire one off at an enemy that isn't on the same ground level as you (flying/swimming), as it tends to travel in a fairly straight line along only one axis at a time while going towards targets.

Kommentar von 239185

One the coolest animations for a spell I've seen in a while.

This is also the filler spell for the Destruction Warlock rotation.

Kommentar von Railander

I have a theory (based on how Curse of the Elements works) that if you finish casting an Incinerate before your Immolate on the target wears off but it lands after it does so will still add the bonus damage from Immolate to it. Can someone confirm this?

Kommentar von Toldry

The animation to this spell looks like a wide fire slithering like a snake towards the target.

If the target is flying then the trail of fire will go directly below the target and when it reaches that spot it will start climbing up till it hits the target.

Kommentar von 182403

3.3 Brings warlocks with enough haste and the right talents incinerates near of even below a gcd.

How?
Emberstone (2.5=>2.25 before haste); molten core (-30%=> 1.6-1.7 before haste); backdraft (-20% (not 30%=>you'll want shadowfury) 1.3-1.4 before haste)
If both both talents stack multiplicative that is, it would even be around 1.125 if they stack additive, wich i'm pretty sure they will not.
Since you stack haste you can get the glyph of quick decay to force more corruption ticks and more molten core procs.
Is this @#$% even usefull?
Prolly not but it will give you very funny burst, probably not viable for arena, but could be fun in bgs.

Kommentar von 555037

If at first you don't succeed, fry and fry again

Kommentar von Ketasa

One of the coolest looking spell in the game imo (:

Kommentar von 465544

So all in all the best spell to replace Shadow Bolt when spamming.
Although since Shadow Bolt benefits more from SP wouldn't its damage be more at a high SP?
EDIT: one more thing I would like to point out. Shadow resistance is much much more common( in PvP)
than Fire resistance, although there are many ppl here and there using fire resistance enchants. Point is there is no fire resist racial or priest buff to boost it. Only the paly aura and druid mark. And lets face it they aren't as common as the shadow resistance people have. So a good spell to replace Shadow Bolt.

Kommentar von 259431

Coolest spell ingame!:)

Kommentar von Oakenshadow

Wouldn't this pretty much replace shadow bolt for demonology locks if you have immolate on the target?

Kommentar von 454762

Immolate incinerate corruption curse of agony shadow bolt incinerate life tap

Kommentar von Keldion

Paired with Glyph of Incinerate, this spell becomes an alternative filler for demonology warlocks in 4.3.

While a 2.25 second Incinerate falls behind a 2.5 second Shadow Bolt at 7759+ spellpower, the scaling differences between them are very slim. Trading Bane for Improved Corruption results in a single-target DPS gain, but also weakens the warlock's multi-dotting ability through Immolate.

Kommentar von 75772

In MoP, if you choose Destruction at level 10, Shadowbolt disappears altogether. Incinerate becomes your new filler spell. This confused me for a few minutes. :)

Kommentar von 319936

for Destruction Hexenmeister, Verbrennen replaces Shadow Bolt.

Kommentar von kaleestraza

Looks completely different as of 8.0 :( It took me a whole play session to even realize it still goes along the ground because the actual effect just looks so much like a regular fire spell bolt.

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