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Kommentar von 176329

a really awesome talent idea. this will out-date mutilate rogue's deadly and crippling poisons, as this will apply them anyway. course, I can see a problem with this, as it stands, a rogue in pvp can use instant poison to boost dps (not that you should), and still be able to CC/spell-lock. but, if you use instant poison with this talent, that's completely going out the window. oh well, it's not like I use instant poison anyway. lol.

Kommentar von Rangvald

This is gonna be an awsome tallent for those interested in going Mutilate, but the question is; Will it be woth to spec DB for CombatPvE? The boost in dps would be insane, and Deadly would be up the whole time! But is it worth it? Makes you think doesnt it? ;)

Kommentar von Ismat

Interesting that this adds no effect to Anaesthetic Poison, an indication even the designers at Blizzard can easily forget that that poorly-designed Burning Crusade skill even exists.

Kommentar von Grenade71822

Your not looking at it the right way. For Mutilate Raiding its perfect. Put Instant on off hand and shiv a bit to get both, and have a totem for your main hand.

Kommentar von 152131

In pvp that will mean a bit of OPnes - you can have Mind Numbling on MH and Wound on OH.
So anytime you hit shiv you cripple the enemy + wound charge , and mind numbling poison for any caster.
Having 3 poisons applied every 2 seconds is calling for a trouble for the dispellers , especialy for a fast weapons like dagger.
This will probably get nerfed soon , with some % chance less than 50% i guess.

Kommentar von ElementFear

This will probably get nerfed soon , with some % chance less than 50% i guess.

If that happens then rogues will just delete the poison then try again.

If they do nerf it i think they would do something along the lines of:

"Gives a 100% chance to apply a weaker version of when applying ".
An that's if Blizzard decides to nerf it. Imo, its not TOO OverPowered...

Blizzard doesn't delete spells that are complained to be OP, they usually change them. But not so dramatically that people stop using it. Take WindFury for example. It's been hit with the nerf stick so many times, yet Shamans still use it over all other weapon enchants. (As enhancement)

Kommentar von 178373

Personally I hope this talent remains as is, because (and I'm kind of proud for this) it was a talent idea a friend of mine and I were discussing for quite some time :)
There's tremendous synergy with Infectuous Poisons, enough to suggest Blizzard knew where they were going with this talent and hopefully are not going to change it.

Kommentar von 191298

Mutilate can definately be a more viable spec for PvE raiding now, with this talent, and 5/5 Cut to the Chase, you can duel instant poison, and envenom / evis depending on which you imp instead of using Slice and dice, besides keeping rupture up.

Kommentar von Mcdubbins

So far in the beta, since Improved Poisons is now a max of 25% increased proc rate vs the old 10%, my poisons go off at an insane rate, i put instant in the main hand and deadly in the off hand (deadly brew does not work yet) and within 1-3 seconds i have 5 charges of deadly, and instant has done about 2-4k damage. So this will definitely boost rogue PvE DPS

Kommentar von 204590

This talent is just silly imo since when you apply a poison to a weapon for example instant poison, then its instant poison on the weapon and not deadly poison. If you use instant and wounding poison on your weapons then where the heck is the deadly and crippling poisons coming from? magic?

Kommentar von 126853

It's coming from the Deadly Brew. IE: You're so adept at creating poisons that you're able to create a poison that has both effects.

Not so hard to understand now, is it? Think of it like Cheese and Crackers. You used to have to buy Cheese and Crackers separate, then put them together yourself. Now you get both together if you want them together.

Kommentar von Dredg

I liked the thought of being able to apply Deadly Poison while hitting with Instant, and now they change it to do this. =(

Kommentar von 143611

know what im doing now? crying, as now this talent RLY sucks in pve:D

in fact, its ~66,6 dps less... (as we're not using instant poison instead of deadly in pve)

Kommentar von jalei

Maybe these posts are from back when it had the poisons separated, but I don't think anyone is reading this correctly.

It states that instant, deadly, or mind-numbing will apply crippling.
Not that instant applies deadly and mind-numbing applies crippling.
So no real DPS change there. Just mob control.

Please let me know if there is a change not shown here or if a blue has spelled it out for us.

Kommentar von 223447

I have a question about how this works... Do I actually have to have crippling poison on one of my weapons for it to be applied through Deadly Brew? Say I have Deadly poison on my main hand, and instant poison on my off hand. If the instant poison on my off hand is applied to my target, will the crippling poison come out of nowhere and slow the target down? The description of this ability does not declare whether you actually have to apply crippling poison on one of your blades.

(though I do hope that I don't have to put crippling poison on one of my weapons)

Kommentar von 230590

for pvp rogues that take this talent

always have instant poison in your OH instead of crippling

this will both allow crippling to be applied when you shiv and dealing decent poison damage from instant at the same time... and it even makes shiv a decent main attack against high armor targets

Kommentar von Bazar

Its worth pointing out a few things about this talent.

It procs crippling poison, which most bosses are immune to. Thus for mutilate rogues relying on it for their poison condition with bosses, they are going to find it inconvenient every boss fight.

For when your out and about grinding by yourself, or even in a raid, consider using wound-poison, it deals half as much damage as instant poison, but procs more then twice as much.
I used to have Improved Poisons and use Instant Poison giving me a 30% proc rate.
However using it on trash it was unreliable. I frequently had to mutilate without the poison debuff. Using Wound Poison i'm surprised if my target isn't poisoned by the end of the global cooldown, let alone cheapshot.

So what i'm saying for those rogues out there thinking this would be nice to pick up with mutilate. Think again.
Use wound poison and you'll never have to worry about a poison debuff being up, you can take 5 talents out of Improved Poisons and put them elsewhere, along with 1-2 talents out of here if you don't care about crippling (PvE rogue)

I'll also add that i think that its probably a waste to put more then 1 talent point into this, even for pvp.

Kommentar von hemek

Just answered my question - It doesn't work the way I thought it does - you need crippling poison applied

Kommentar von 253799

If you are pvping please...pick it up. Not only do you not have to worry about applying crip. poison to your weapon but if some strange reason you decide to have both Wound/Mind on your weapons (could be useful against shamans, priest, druids) crip poison will still be applied. Plus wound does quit a bit a damage seeing how it's not scaled with AP but is a fixed value. Enjoy!

Kommentar von 241776

For PvP I can see how this would be very useful. But PvE, not so useful. If you're doing an instance or raid your teammates can take care of runners. If you're questing, you can just use regular Crippling poison on your offhand.

Kommentar von 111622

Currently bugged. Confirmed through Combat logs, they are not resisting the Crippling Poison and do not have any movement freedoms. It simply just does not apply at all or even attempt to even with 2/2 when Wound Poison is applied. Anyone else having this problem?

4.0.1 still bugged, I am applying players with Wound Poison, and they are not getting Crippling Poison, and combat log still shows no resistance, cleansing, or any attempt for Crippling Poison to even apply. It's bad enough that there's a second delay after those 3 poisons are applied, but I clearly just spammed Fan of Knives on about 10 players, all of them affected by Wound Poison, none of them had Crippling on.

Maybe you need improved chance to apply Poisons for this one to count. Even though the talent says %100, I don't think it's true.

Kommentar von 465401

A tip for people using Assassination for levelling like me, this talent comes in handy against the runners. This way you won't have to sacrifice Instant for Crippling if you're in a situation with lots of humanoids that run when on low health.

Just a tip, it saved my butt a few times.

Kommentar von 517517

This talent is hugely unfair to healers with wound and mind-numbing poisons on each blade, and if you play mutilate like me.. arena becomes FAR too easy against healers...

Kommentar von 486805

I don't see why to take 2 points in this. What are the odds, even assuming that you have only Wound Poison, no Instant, no Mind-Numbing and have on only one weapon, that you don't apply it very quickly? What are the odds that once applied, you don't refresh it within the 12 seconds of its duration? Minimal.

The only moment when one can be fearful not to apply it is when you very first jump on your opponent:
Entry with Cheap Shot, then Muti and auto swings. CC trinketted? Kidney Shot and there you go, plenty of time on target so that there is virtually no chance it doesn't get applied even with one point. Even better, this point saved here allows you a 3/3 in Improved Kidney Shot. That is without mentionning the possible SnD you might decide on launching depending on what class/spec is in front of you.

Kommentar von 133739

The point is that if you fight in the arena and someone for a damn reason decides to spam Cure poison or anything like that, you wont have it up 100% of the time. Yes i know you will apply it in a 1-2 seconds, but damn a lot can happen in 2 seconds. There is a reason for making it 2 point 100% chance instead of 1 point 50% chance talent like there is a reason for everything in that game. Also if you don't use Improved poisons, whats the problem to put one additional point in this talent. Just in case. After all rogues must be ready for everything. Right?

Tuddles

Kommentar von jisforjosh

This is actually an amazing talent to take now for the LK fight no matter what mode you're doing. The 70% snare on Valks in P2 can't be beat, the loss of Fleet Footed is minimal on this fight

Kommentar von Qoko

No recent comments about this spell might make the reader partly confused about what this spell really is.

Originally pre-MoP this was a two ranks talent that gave the passive bonus to apply crippling poison (50% rank 1 & 100% rank 2) to the target on any application of instant, wound or mind-numbing poison making it viable for PvE and near mandatory for PvP. Especially against healers and casters a rogue running around with dual instant/wound & mind-numbing would guarantee 100% uptime on crippling for just one talent point (two if you really wanted to be sure). In PvE there were situational uses making it a viable option to take over other utility talents.

In MoP this became the 2-set PvP bonus and it was dropped as talent. Additionally it followed the logical changes to poisons and procced off any non-lethal poison (which were three total in MoP).

In WoD, the majority of non-lethal poisons got removed: by removing Mind-numbing Poison and Paralytic Poison, a rogue runs around with Crippling Poison by default (only Leeching Poison if the hps really helps, rarely in PvP) so this bonus became obsolete. As such, the PvP bonuses in WoD have once again changed, and this spell is now largely obsolete.

Edited for 6.0.3.

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