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Kommentar von Sebas

Sap is a rogue's only PvE / PvP crowd control device that lasts more than a few seconds...improved sap causes your rogue to restealth after sap so you don't die while helping your group/raid with crowd control...just don't forget that sap only lasts 12 seconds in PvP now!

Kommentar von 8460

Good ways to use sap: sap hunter/warlock, kill the pet, then proceed to stunlock hunter/lock and kill him, very useful, with imp sap, you can cheap shot the pet, imp sap is also when that warrior has a healer around, just sap healer, then garrote the warrior keep warrior under stunlock, when warr dead, vanish then proceed to kill the healer.

Kommentar von 8474

Sap is a very useful spell. When you obtain the full talent upgrade it is vastly improved, you can stay stealthed while casting almost 90% of the time. Sap can be effected by stun resists.

Kommentar von RakothMaugrim

The new BC talents will make imp sap a 100% success rate, with only 2 points in it. I also believe they are moving down a tree. Like any opener, it can miss. In the first murder build Sap was affected by Murder wich increased chance to hit with an opener.

Sap is a disorient effect, and just like gouge can be broken by a warrior's berserker rage.

Kommentar von 7735

Just wanted to point out a pvp application for sap that seems oftentimes overlooked. It is quite useful in 1v1/Duels, especially if you have improved sap:

Simply sap the target, then cheap shot and quickly turn around before your auto attack hits. If done correctly, this should stun them, but not break sap, allowing you to restealth and essentially start off the fight with 2 free combo points.

note: In patch 2.0 it is possible to cheapshot without breaking sap and without turning around using the following macro (Taken from Ming's post on the rogue forums)

/equip Bow of Love
/cast Cheap Shot
/stopattack

Change "Bow of Love" to your actual ranged weapon

Just mash this macro when you want to cheapshot without breaking your sap.

Kommentar von 10315

Also the difference between sap and the CCs of other classes is that in PVE, if you do not start a fight right near the sapped mob you won't enter combat mode once the sap finshes with that mob (assuming you have Improved), unlike poly or banish or shackle where you'll either have to fight once the effect finishes or ran away already.

Kommentar von 41395

According to the Patch 2.1.0 notes, Imp. Sap will cease to exsist. In other words, Imp. Sap will be removed from the Sub. Tree and will be replaced with a talent that reduces the energy cost/increases the range of Sap/Blind. The good news is that Sap will now work like it should have TWO YEARS AGO: It will automatically retun you to stealth. This means that, essentially, every Rogue will have Imp. Sap. This frees up 7 talent points for Assassination/Combat Rogues who had to spec down Subtltey Lane just so they could do 5-mans (among other changes in the patch include: Poisons no longer having charges, Rogue's PvP insignia removing stuns, etc.).

Kommentar von 67010

As of patch 2.2 sapping will now flag your rogue if you sap a flagged person.

Kommentar von 67010

As of patch 2.2 sapping will now flag your rogue. If you sap a flagged person.

Kommentar von 67010

As of patch 2.2 sapping will now flag your rogue if you sap a flagged person.

Kommentar von 48190

Sap duration against PVP targets decreased to 10s as for 2.2.0 Patch.

Not a good deal here...

Kommentar von MasterOfDisguise

As of patch 2.4.0, Sap is no longer an Incapaciate effect, instead it is now a "Sap" effect.

Warriors can still use Berserkerwut to become immune to Sap.

Kommentar von 100107

I'm level 63 now and still discovering interesting uses for this ability. Sometimes I'm in a crowded area and need to get my health back. So I find a spot where only one mob is in aggro range, Sap it, sit down, eat, then stealth while eating.

Sap also allows you to move through mobs without aggroing them. Very useful in narrow corridors or other tight spaces.

If the Sapped target is far away enough from your combat target, you can often re-stealth after finishing with the combat target. This also works sometimes when picking herbs, mining ore, skinning mobs, and looting chests and bodies. The mechanics are still ambiguous, so I can't guarantee that mere distance or facing does the trick. Experiment with it and see what works best for you :)

Edit: I've found another use. When a mob is Sapped, you can change its facing with Distract. You won't see it physically turn, but its cone of awareness will shift to wherever Distract has landed. This can really help when you don't want the sapped target to be "aware" of your combat target. Although again, sometimes the mechanics are tricky, so I can't guarantee that it will work all the time.

Kommentar von 146819

With 2 points in the Dirty Tricks talent (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=14094) Sap has a "10 yard range", but it "Requires melee weapon"?
Who uses a 30 foot weapon?!

Kommentar von Marat

Sweet now we can CC for 1 whole minute can't wait to try it out in Beta

Kommentar von Rarehunter

Still 10 secs in PvP though :/ but it works on Shammies in GW and Druids in Forms! Oh and hunter/warlock pets too but idk why you'd sap the pet when you can sap the master or some other player nearby.

Kommentar von cheesepizza

Would the demon be sapped for 1 min since it does not count as a pc?

Kommentar von 156183

you couldnt hammer on the lock if you plan on sapping the pet since any damage done to the lock would break the sap because 99% of pvping locks spec soul link

Kommentar von 86732

So only alliance can train this? Or do we have to all buy orb's of deception and hope that the trainer in SW doesn't notice?

Kommentar von 154897

Useful macro

#showtooltip Sap
/console SET targetNearestDistance 10
/targetenemy
/console SET targetNearestDistance 41
/cast sap

Saps yourtarget , but if u havent got target ,saps the nearst enemy

Kommentar von 51953

It seems odd to give an ability that you get at level 10, a completely new level of usefulness 61 levels later. Sapping beasts, demons, and dragonkin is useful far earlier than level 71.

Kommentar von cerin616

what i have been wondering is, If you were to sap a city guard, would it give off the alert that the town is under attack?

Kommentar von 234789

"Only works on Humanoids, Beasts, Demons and Dragonkin that are not in combat."

Get in combat to avoid being sapped.

Kommentar von Zmic

"Rogue keep sappin mah healer!"

Kommentar von Zmic

"Rogue keep sappin mah healer!"

Kommentar von 53437

Be careful!
The warrior can IMMUNE the SAP with using Berserker Rage!
Sap after the warrior is coming out from the Arena's Gate!

Kommentar von Delvara

Go tree druids! :/

Kommentar von 318387

ok can some1 tell me wtf sap is ? my point is what it means ? its s.a.p. from some words or it is just sap? it must be a verb :P damn only rogues just rogues :S what the rogue is suppose to do to the other guy and he mains still there like he lost hes brains lol

Kommentar von 340836

Only 3 of those 4 things are playable.. Perhaps the fourth is a small glimmer of hope of what is to come? Most likely not, but a player can dream...

I mean, just think about it. A class that can revert to its original form, which would be a Dragonkin in this case. I don't know about anyone else, but I definitely would be majorly pumped about a Dragonkin class. Just wishful thinking....

Kommentar von Ladadadada

I was wondering if anyone else can shed any light on this scenario: there are two stationary mobs facing each other (such as the pirates on the docks in Tanaris); you sap one and ambush the other. At the end of the fight, sometimes you can re-stealth and ambush the sapped target but sometimes the sapped target has you in combat and the best you can do is to walk around behind him and backstab.

I haven't yet figured out what causes a sapped target to sometimes see me and sometimes not. The targets are nearly always facing each other so it's unlikely to be the direction the sapped target is facing and I have done it at all sorts of different ranges and seen it work both ways. I have even finished the first fight and run right through the other mob before stealthing again.

You can tell when it happens because when you ambush the non-sapped target you will hear two yells of surprise as both mobs see you. If you only hear one, it means you will be able to re-stealth after the fight with the first one and ambush the second.

If anyone knows what is going on here I'd love to know about it.

Kommentar von 667752

how do i get improved sap so i restealth after using it?

Kommentar von 667752

how di i get improved sap so i can restealth right after

Kommentar von Lands

So it doesn't work against hunters?

Also cannot be cast on self by a rogue

HAHA IM SO FUNNY I SAYING SOME1 HAZ NO BRAIN

Kommentar von faliarin

Apparently with 4.0.1 basic sap no longer removes you from stealth whether you pass or fail at the attempt.
I use this as a preparation for launching my attack.
I move within 10 Yards, Sap the PvE mob and move around to the back and begin my assault.
This is now the first ability that helps you get into position an attack.

Kommentar von Garon132

I was leveling a third rogue a while back, found a very fun moment with this ability in a BG at level 48.

Scenario; I have the flag, no horde are chasing me so I don't blow sprint quite yet.
I see a warlock running to me from a distance, and I know he has a void walker so I wont be able to do much damage

I'm about at the part where the landscape changes. I stealth, dropping the flag, knowing there are no stealth targets on the opposing team.
The warlock pauses, and stares. He then runs towards the flag, most likely laughing at my stupidity.
I sap him before he reaches the flag, grab the flag, then pop sprint and run off.

Yes, I did cap the flag =)

Kommentar von 398789

Rogue sappin' mah sentry!

Kommentar von 449532

"Rogue keep sappin' mah totem!"

Kommentar von 493945

Hey guys, I think there's a *sapped*.

Kommentar von 714854

works on Humanoids, Beasts, Demons and Dragonkin

Kommentar von Suparockr

If in PvP you get this Debuff, just get ready to be poisoned, cheap shotted, gouged, backstabbed, etc. followed by being killed seconds after you break stun

Kommentar von Lohr

Sap is no longer placing the rogue in combat when he/she is visible and the target is sapped.

Kommentar von Furydeath

Anyone else having Sap getting removed randomly on mobs? I'll sap one guy kill his friend then out of no where the other just just drops sap not in combat or anything. guess I should just unglyph that kinda useless for me.

Kommentar von 338334

Abilities that used to trigger on hit, such as the AGI from Fließender Tod no longer trigger when Sap is used.

This means no standing on an enemy to sap them until you have a full buff stack.

Kommentar von FlayOnDarkIron

Imo, the tooltip should read:

Sap
Can't say no.
1 minute remaining.

Kommentar von 128740

The fun of sapping people in the Darkmoon Faire arena until they fight each other and picking off the loser...

Kommentar von gamedisciple

An excellent ability in PvP for the following:

Taking healers out of the fight (they often aren't in combat until after their target engages)
Forcing players to burn their Geerbtes Insigne der Horde or Geerbtes Insigne der Allianz (allowing for other types of crowd control or re-sapping)
Stopping flag runners in Die Kriegshymnenschlucht while your team arrives
Preventing flag captures in Arathibecken without breaking Verstohlenheit

Kommentar von gamedisciple

Hate the awful "I'm not close enough" noise when spamming Kopfnuss? Well worry no longer! Here's a macro that quietly targets any nearby enemy and then Kopfnusss them in blissful silence!

/targetenemy
/stopmacro
/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/cast Sap
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1

Kommentar von Gyrwym

If you sap a player over and over again each sap lasts shorter and they become immune eventually.

Kommentar von 126811

if a guy is mounted does he breaks his mounted aura when you sap him?

Kommentar von Pipkins

I haven't played Rogue a great deal, but even I can see a lot of people in BG's are wrong to Sap motionless targets then a second later Ambush them-Don't do that. It takes away the element of surprise, gives them a chance to alert allies to AoE you before you've even started and leaves you down on energy once you've entered combat, when you really don't need to be. If you Vanish mid-fight, diminishing returns will happen if you need to use Sap for tactical uses.When someone is guarding a node like as not they will just stand on the spot and pop a few AoE's and patrol for a few seconds every now and then, so just stealth up and take them. Even if they are moving, it's not that tricky to catch them if they're not mounted-Sprint, Nightstalker talent, Fleet-footed passive, Sprint and tier 4 talents are all there.

Kommentar von Phasha

Here is a fun macro I recently devised after 6.0 launch. It combines 4 abilities, Verstohlenheit, Kopfnuss, Verschwinden, and Finte, into one button:

#showtooltip
/cast Vanish; Sap; Stealth
/cast Feint

How to use:

Press the macro:
1) If you are out of combat, not stealthed => Verstohlenheit
2) If you are out of combat, stealthed => Kopfnuss
3) If you are in combat, not stealthed => Finte

Press alt key + the macro:
1) Cast Verschwinden

Feel free to leave any comments and feedback on how you like it. =D

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Update for Patch 6.1:

Blizzard has changed how the game determines if you are wearing a stance. Previously when you use the macro out of combat to get into stealth, the game will "get it" that you are under instantly, and not go into the next step, casting Finte. In Patch 6.1, however, Blizzard introduces a lag when applying a stance, thus the macro will cast Finte even if you have just casted Verstohlenheit.

I have spent some time meditating and here is a simple and effective update: replacing condition with . Here is the fabled 4-ability macro that works with Patch 6.1:

6.1 version: Verstohlenheit, Kopfnuss, Verschwinden, and Finte

#showtooltip
/cast Vanish; Sap; Stealth
/cast Feint

Effects when pressing the macro:
1) If you are out of combat, not stealthed => Verstohlenheit
2) If you are out of combat, stealthed => Kopfnuss
3) If you are in combat, not stealthed => Finte

Effect when pressing alt key + the macro:
1) Cast Verschwinden

Meanwhile, this macro has had a great time with other macros in my menagerie, and has spawned a baby.

Variation: Verstohlenheit, Kopfnuss, Verschwinden, and Entrinnen (refresh with immediately if is not on CD)

#showtooltip
/cast Vanish; Sap; Stealth
/stopmacro
/castsequence reset=9 Evasion,null
/cast Preparation

Effects when pressing the macro:
1) If you are out of combat, not stealthed => Verstohlenheit
2) If you are out of combat, stealthed => Kopfnuss
3) If you are in combat, not stealthed, on CD => Entrinnen
4) If you are in combat, not stealthed, not on CD => Entrinnen then immediately auto-refresh with

Effect when pressing alt key + the macro:
1) Cast Verschwinden

Here, the condition before Verstohlenheit let you see it icon and CD of Entrinnen when you are in combat. Also, the "/castsequence ... null" prevents casting Entrinnen twice in a roll in a panic situation.

Note: Do not combine Finte and Entrinnen into one macro as it will only cast the first one. Here are two bad examples:

#showtooltip
/cast Vanish; Sap; Stealth
/stopmacro
/cast Feint
/castsequence reset=9 Evasion,null
/cast Preparation

^^^This bad example will only cast Finte if you are in combat and not stealthed.

#showtooltip
/cast Vanish; Sap; Stealth
/stopmacro
/castsequence reset=9 Evasion,null
/cast Preparation
/cast Feint

^^^This bad example will only cast Entrinnen if you are in combat and not stealthed.

Enjoy and tell me what you think! =D <3

Kommentar von Skullhawk13

Despite blizzard claiming it works on anything with an organic brain, Giants and Critters are still immune.

Kommentar von ginny

At least one of several bugs persists with Verschwinden in PvP since Warlords of Draenor:

If a player uses Verschwinden, while targeting an enemy who is only in combat with the rogue or the enemy is in group combat via healing, the target will effectively drop combat (it will not show in enemy nameplate or other combat status), allowing Verstohlenheit to be used and therefore all other Verstohlenheit based openers, e.g. Kopfnuss.

This can and has been a game-breaking bug in arena matches, particularly devastating since a natural target is healers.

Kommentar von ginny

In 7.1.5, Sap triggers Adaptation.

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Kopfnuss

Kopfnuss

35 Energie	10 Meter Reichweite

Sofort

Macht ein Ziel, das sich nicht im Kampf befindet, für 1 min handlungsunfähig. Wirkt nur bei Humanoiden, Wildtieren, Dämonen und Drachkin. Schaden lässt das Ziel wieder zu sich kommen. Maximal 1 Ziel.

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1 Minute

Magieart

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Mechanik

Kopfnuss

Bannart

n/a

GCD-Kategorie

Normal

Kosten

35 Energie

Reichweite

10 Meter (Sehr kurz)

Zauberzeit

Sofort

Abklingzeit

n/a

GCD

1 sekunde

Gestalten

Verstohlenheit

Aura Proc-Chance

100%

Effekt

Apply Aura: [Stun]
PVP-Multiplikator: 1

Flags

Ist Fähigkeit
Kann nicht verwendet werden, während Ihr gestaltverwandelt seid
Waffe nicht wegstecken
Stoppt Autoangriff
Kann nicht ausgewichen, pariert oder geblockt werden
Beendet Verstohlenheitsmodus nicht
Das Ziel darf sich nicht im Kampf befinden
Generiert keine Bedrohung
Verhindert Anim
Aura bleibt nach Kampf bestehen
Macht bei verfehlen ignorieren
PvP-Aktivierung
Keine Voraussetzung für Proc-Ausrüstung
Wirker-Procs unterdrücken
Verwickelt das Ziel nicht in einen Kampf
Kann durch Procs proccen
Unterdrücke Waffen-Procs
Die Aura wirkt nur auf ein Ziel
Zeige Mechanik als Kampftext
Kann durch unterdrückte Ziel-Procs proccen
Aura zeigt auf Clienten
Ermögliche Procs von Klassenfähigkeiten
Zeige Gegnerdebuffs an Namensplaketten

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