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Kommentar von 331845

This is clearly the new version of Icy Prism.

My first thought is that it seems quite heavy on materials (3 each of 6 colors = 18 gems). It's safe to say at this point that the gems it requires are the Cataclysm equivalent of the "uncommon" gems found in Wrath of the Lich King today.

Kommentar von 236258

But there is no "Frozen Orb" material needed for the item so, 18 "junk" gems for 2-4 rares, when your prospecting ore by the bag full for rares in the first place? After I had a stack of each uncommon stored for use on alts I was making the Icy Prisms if I won an orb on one of my toons when they were done with the daily randoms. Seems a fair trade in my book

Kommentar von Anathelia

I like this a lot better than the WoTLK one. For one thing, no frozen orb-equivalent reagent for crafting it. For another, an equal mix of all uncommon gems. That was the worst thing about the icy prism; you'd have maybe 2 or 3 bloodstones and 40 of those yellow ones, because there was no point in ever doing anything with the yellow gems.

This, on the other hand, gives you better ability to make them without having to run a heroic, which in turn means a better supply of rare gems (And cheaper prices for everyone overall), while at the same time not giving you a lopsided supply of gems from your prospecting.

Kommentar von jaaba

i dont rember what lvl i trained this at but im at 507 and its still current orange so the dificulty needs to be updated and its located in the other section not consumable like icy prism

Kommentar von 533031

IMO: These should only be crafted for the purpose of leveling JC or if you need Chimeras Eyes, as the Alchemy transmute (3 uncommon gems into 1 rare gem of the same color) has no cooldown. So:

18 uncommon gems + a few herbs = 6-12 rare gems (if Alchemist is transmute spec)

18 uncommon gems to craft this = 1-3 rare gems and/or Chimeras Eye

Kommentar von 197314

This spell might not have accurate data in wowhead. Says its green skill at 500 and gray at 525. Im currently at 515 and its still red skill :)

Kommentar von 633333

Ffs, it's even worse than Icy prism, and I tought that nothing can be worse. Average profit from making one fire prism is about -200gold. Just perfect, thanks blizzard.

Kommentar von 631362

At 525 or 526 still red for me (but I'm Draenei with +10 racial)

Kommentar von wye43

At 523 is orange without racial.

Kommentar von 447675

While expensive this is a great (but slow) way to level Jewelcrafting without spending tokens.

Kommentar von sorcerer25

colors are wrong here !
in this very (great) moment in game i have 509 JC skill and this is orange (not green)

Kommentar von Mage12322

Not sure why wowhead states that this item is green at 500...It stays orange even until 525...

Kommentar von killw1zzy

it costs 18 gems that sell 9g each if u randomly cut and vendor them

18x9 = 162g

as the gems u gain from this sell at a maximum of 40g on my server there is always a negative effect financialy, u need to have the luck of getting eyes or 4 rubys witch is kinda low chance

Edit:
blizz fixxed this, greens are now worth way less, making it 18x0.5 = 9g resulting in way better profit margins

Kommentar von parazyte

I get tons of green gems every week and I dont have DE (so no need to craft jewellery) and I dont have Alchemy (so no transmutes). So instead of cutting and vendoring all green gems that cant be sold I think this is a great, relatively cheap daily option since the virtual cost of it is 3 * 6 * 9 = 162g if I vendor trashed them instead. It should be noted that the total amount of blue gems that can be expected on average is 0,38*6 = 2,28 i e 2-3 gems on average with higher likelihood of 2 over 3.

So, the expected relative value of a Fire Prism can be calculated by
0,38*<Average Cost of Blue Gems on Your Server>*6+0,10*<Average Cost of Chimera's Eye on Your Server> which on my server would render about 60g of raw, uncut gems. So, this is a 100g loss right? Well...

...Cutting and selling the gems for about <your guess here> each per gem, let's say 50g: That would give the prism an expected value of about 2,28*50+0,1*<Average Cost of Chimera's Eye> i e maybe 130-140g. So you get most money back in the long run, it only costs you 20-30g to gamble in the long run with these late 4.0.6 green gem prices.

Script to get the expected market value of raw uncut gems inside a fire prism on your server (requires auctioneer and reliable AH data):
/run local v=AucAdvanced.API.GetMarketValue;print("Fire Prism expected value- "..((0,38*(v(52194)+v(52192)+v(52193)+v(52190)+v(52191)+v(52195))+0,1*v(52196))/10000).."g")

Script to get the expected market value cost of creating the Fire Prism (requires auctioneer and reliable AH data):
/run local v=AucAdvanced.API.GetMarketValue;print("Components - "..((v(52177)+v(52178)+v(52179)+v(52180)+v(52181)+v(52182))*3/10000).."g")

Disclaimer: The calculation have server specific values, so if you used your own values you might find it isnt as cheap as it is on my server but that still means it might have helped you decide if this is bad or not, or at least it gives you heads up that it will be quite good later in the game.

Disclaimer II: The calculations assumes you dont always get 2xAmberjewels ;-D

Disclaimer III: The script is the LAZY persons way of doing it. Research the values for yourself, dont trust Auctioneer data especially if prices are dropping dramatically every day.

Kommentar von Siigari

This is a really bad use of money on my server. It disappoints me that people do not understand opportunity cost. Fire Prism mats on my server (Emerald Dream US) cost around 250g. Carnelian are like 30g each, Hessonite 10-15g and Nightstone at a whopping 22g each. These are regular prices. The other gems fluctuate due to dailies, but typically they sell for less than 7g each.

How much do the Chimera Eyes sell for? 125g. Fire Prism is always a guaranteed waste of money on my server. I won't even cut my own anymore, I will just buy the super cheap Chimera Eye off the AH and laugh at the person who is cheating themself.

Kommentar von violetta

/run PickupSpell(73478)
to put this on your action bar. very handy for those of us who forget daily cooldowns

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