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Kommentar von Arse

Ich benutze folgenden Helm:

Helm der Macht

Passend zum Helm, diese Schultern:

Schulterstücke der Macht

Helm und Schultern gibt es für Nicht-Krieger auch als Erbstücke zu kaufen.

Dazu diesen Schild:

Teufeleisenschild

und momentan als Einhandschwert:

Phosphoreszierende Klinge

aber es gibt ja sehr viele schöne Schwerter.

Zulianischer Schlitzer

Passt zum Beispiel auch gut dazu.

Oder auch der Klassiker:

Quel'Serrar

Als Zweihandaxt:

Arkanitreißer (leider nicht mehr im Spiel verfügbar)

und als Zweihandschwert:

Der Beruhiger

Passt alles recht gut zum Set, wie ich finde :)

Kommentare

Kommentar von Noelltank

I have this set on my warrior, and let me tell you, it looks boss. My only complaint is that the shoulders don't seem to match very well, and there are few alternative options. One would be, (IMO) Stoneform Shoulders but, again, they don't quite match.

Still one of the better looking "simple" sets though!

Kommentar von Froswaldthegreat

Now this is a nice set. Hm, I might have to use some of this..

Kommentar von LockeKAF

This set needs better helmet (one here looks bad on male)... Anyone have ideas?

Kommentar von Kamirios

I have this set on my warrior, with Schulterstücke des Rechtsuchers and Prunkhelm des gerechten Urteils. They call me Stormtrooper :D

http://www.wowhead.com/compare?items=10203:10205:10206:10201:10208:10202:30048:28581:28666

Kommentar von Kathadia

The Shield of Impenetrable Darkness looks gorgeous with this. Still working on the tank sword to go with it, though.

Kommentar von Ehgriez

get Großdrachenruf from Sunken Temple off last boss...its uber sexy and works with it

Kommentar von sunsmoon

Alternatives (same look, different name!):

Helm: None.
Shoulders: None.
Chest: None.
Bracers: None (similar style: Gordok Bracers of Power (Tribute Run, DM North, 2% )
Gloves: Dauntless Handguards (Quest, Shattered Halls )
Belt: Enormous Ogre Belt (BOE World Drop) (somewhat matches the set: Tenacious Defender (Omor, Ramparts, 15%)
Legs: None (similar style: Legguards of the Fallen Crusader (Firemaw, BWL, 12%))
Boots: Entrenching Boots (Grizzle, BRD, 21%), Expedition Footgear (Quest, Zangarmarsh)

Note that with this set you **will** want the bracers. The gloves and chest armor will not cover your arms completely on their own.

Optional items:

1H Sword: Quel'Serrar, Honor's Call , Heavy Copper Longsword (Backsheath), Grand Marshal's Longsword (Limited Playerbase)
MH Sword: Azuresong Mageblade
2H Sword: Cavalier Two-Hander, Arcanite Champion, Twinblade of the Phoenix, Zin'rokh, Destroyer of Worlds, Grand Marshal's Claymore (Limited Playerbase), Rage-Possessed Greatsword, Quel'delar, Might of the Faithful, Steelspark Greatsword,
1H Mace: Cold Forged Hammer, Mace of the Order
MH Mace: Diamond-Core Sledgemace, Shockwave Truncheon, Misery's End , Royal Scepter of Terenas II
2H Mace: Warhammer of the Order, Titansteel Destroyer, Cryptmaker, Akirus the Worm-Breaker
1H Axe: Double-Bladed Axe, Well Balanced Axe, Edge of Winter, Axe of the Legion, Bone Warden's Splitter, Falric's Wrist Chopper
2H Axe: Power of the Mountain Giant, Scythe Axe, Axe of the Nexus-Kings
Shields: Shield of the Iron Maiden, Force Reactive Disk, Bulwark of the Primordial Mount, Bulwark of the Royal Guard , Titansteel Shield Wall

Kommentar von 922478

for shoudlers/helm i use BoA Wrath shoudlers and helm they suit set quite well but i want to transmog Steel plate Helm but costs 377g to trnasmog onto a BoA helm for some reason

Kommentar von exou

Shoulders I've found that match this set:

Pauldrons of Tribute
Vicious Gladiator's Plate Shoulders (warrior only)
Pauldrons of Tempered Will
Pauldrons of Zul'Farrak (almost a dead-on match)
Pauldrons of the Argent Sentinel (the gold sort of throws it off, but the silver matches almost perfectly)
Surwich Pauldrons

edit:
I would recommend the Pauldrons of Tribute or Pauldrons of Zul'Farrak.

edit 2:
I downloaded WMV (the most current one) and put together the set, then cycled through every single plate shoulder in the game. There were other shoulders that matched, but they were too simple for my taste, and I didn't list them because I figured that's why people want replacements in the first place.

Kommentar von Laeleiweyn

Several pieces from this set can be seen in the Exodar Disco-video by Greyfoo and EmberIsolte, at 2:04. :)

Not sure what shoulders/gloves they use in the video.

Lae

Kommentar von Niamh

I think the perfect helm for this set would be this, but it can not be found ingame.

Kommentar von 219437

A really cool set that does not look like bikini on female characters

Kommentar von AnrDaemon

Feldplattenhelm as a cheap alternative helmet with different look.

Kommentar von Cevinwithac

this is a nice set, can someone tell me where to acquire this set

Kommentar von Cobaine

Sturmgeschmiedete Schultern look decent. Not an exact match, but at least as good as the others listed here.

Kommentar von hardtoexplain

I suspect that this was one of the first sets created in the game. The texture seems like a lower quality than the other sets.

Kommentar von 775624

Best shoulders would have been the Klingenstahlschultern however they were removed from game long long ago. Very sad.. yes. Depending on how OCD you are, you could try going with the Alabasterplattenschulterstücke, with Feldplattenhelm. It would help even out the colors since there really aren't very many 'shiny' pieces of gear
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Kommentar von Mozi

To me the ideal 2-handed sword for this set is, hands down, the Schwert der Familie Barov.

Also, I went for some alternatives for the shoulders and helm for this end result

Edit: I added a column with some extra shoulders and helmets to try out. :)

Kommentar von Djmax

I'm having trouble finding either belt due to low drop rates and my realm's AH being dead, so I'm using the far more common Jaspisminengurt as a replacement in the meantime. It matches this set somewhat well, though the black is a little off. Hope this helps anyone missing the belt like me.

Kommentar von 1001593

Could anyone recommend a cloak?

Kommentar von 1029405

Does anyone have any tips for acquiring this set? On the list of mobs that drop these items, Blackrock Depths came up a lot. Ive been through BRD now more times than I can count, clearing and looting everything. Havent seen a single piece. Nothing on AH either. Should I keep at it and pray to the RNG Gods? Or should I try a different tactic? Thanks in advance!

Kommentar von 1036059

Helm of the holy avenger is by far the best plate helm for this set in my opinion, the only completly silver plate helm of its type i believe.

Kommentar von Hiratha

If you want an alternative look for the shoulder slot, the Schultern des heftigen Schlags that drop from Highlord Omokk in Blackrock Spire match the colours of the straps on the Overlord plate. In my opinion it gives a more interesting overall look, and avoids the problem of trying to find metal looking plate that isn't entirely the wrong shade.

Kommentar von 1062318

The head Mithrilhelmkappe Would fit this set perfectly :)

Kommentar von 995411

Brünierte Schulterstücke der Macht Brünierter Helm der Macht Teufelseisenschild These items match the rest of this set very well imo, although they're not in the same chain mail style.

Kommentar von Spose

Best sword (in my opinion) to this set is Revilgaz' Entersäbel

Kommentar von Reznov

Noone noticed Schulterplatten des ewigen Schmerzes so far? Seems pretty cool imo

Kommentar von WhiteAlien

To resumé:

The easiest way to get this set is to check AH frequently. If your server is dead, then you have only one option left - farm yourself.

The whole set is world drop so the fastest way to get it is to kill rare mobs from lvl 47 - lvl 53. This covers following zones:

Kalimdor - Tanaris, Winterspring, Felwood
Eastern Kingdoms - Badlands, Searing Gorge, Swamp of Sorrows.

Install NPCscan addon and it's a GG. You might also find a lot of other transmog sets in that level range, so keep your eyes open.

Good luck hunting...

Kommentar von alhaz

I am using this set with Heldenhafte Schädelkappe and Schulterstücke des Tributs as suggested above. The shades are not really similar but i love the look of helmets like this.

To "tie" the pieces a bit together i used the shattered sun tabard: Wappenrock der Zerschmetterten Sonne

The complete look looks like this: http://www.wowhead.com/compare?items=14935:65976:10203.1421:35221:10208.-17:10201.1121:10205.1206:9959.171:10758

P.S: Sorry if i messed any links up.

Kommentar von deeeerrrrrp

Schultern der Schwarzen Brut would look amazing with this set if only they weren't Mail. It doesn't appear there is a plate equivalent in the proper color. Perhaps one day Blizz will allow cross armor-type transmoging?

Kommentar von Bunco

I really love this set for its classiness. Here's what I've come up with to round out the look.

Shoulders - Schulterstücke von Zul'Farrak

The metal is a little bit darker than the steel of the other pieces, but not as dark as the mesh, so I think it works great. It also has some dark blue cobalt in it, which matches great with. . .

Gesichtsschutz des Hammerklans - This is a perfect match for the shoulders and I think it complements the look of this set. Prunkhelm des Wachens is a good alternative. It's lighter, with light-colored horns, and more closely matches the overlord armor than the shoulders.

As fury, I complete the classy feel with 2x Chevalierszweihänder and Königlicher Qirajigürtel because the jewel kinda matches the jewel on the hilt of the swords, though I'm still looking for something else.

As far as cloaks, I think it's up to your preferences. Personally I think Umhang des gefallenen Gottes just looks awesome.

Here's what my char looks like with this setup: http://i50.tinypic.com/2jccarl.jpg This is the generated shot from the armory, so it's really bright. It matches much better in game.

Kommentar von ender111

The best helm I've found so far is Kriegsanführerkrone. Color is a dead on match. Still shows full face and hair and has a great look.

Kommentar von 1072561

I've found that the Schreckensplattenschultern des brutalen Gladiators work well with this set...they uh *ahem* match the crotch plate o_o

Only warriors and death knights can get the dark shoulder color.

Kommentar von ThunderLich

http://www.wowhead.com/compare?items=10203:90025:27548:10208:10202:13955:14621:14622
my version :)

Kommentar von AoBman05

I think rather than try to replace JUST the ugly shoulders, you enthusiasts should go a step further and replace the gloves and boots as well. Should you do so, you will want to use colors that mesh well with the fairly light grey/silver, so using other cool colors like blue, green, black, or even purple would be a good start.

For example, by replacing the overlord gloves, boots, and shoulders with Imperiale Plattenschultern, Imperiale Plattenstiefel, and Krallenwachenhandschuhe, I have come with a fairly common look used by a few people I see time to time in game. Despite replacing three items, I still get a neat, simple look that, in my opinion, still meshes well with the rest of the set.

For transmogging purposes (and not just this one), try using a color that are known for looking well together with the desired item(s). You can even use multiple colors, so long as they don't clash (too much). The common colors combos are Red/Green, Blue/Orange, and Yellow/Purple. Sometimes you'll want to have the two color pairs to be as light or dark as each other, but sometimes you can get away with a little deviation. If these colors don't work out for you, try adding some items that are white, black, or gray.

Don't be afraid to experiment!

Kommentar von lampeskjermvask

There has a been a lot of talk of what shoulders and helm fit this set, and personally, I like the look of the Helm der Macht and Schulterstücke der Macht. And the best thing is that you can get copies if you're not a warrior! Brünierter Helm der Macht can be bought from your guild vendor if your guild has reached level 20. It costs 1500G, and bonus discounts apply. You can also purchase Brünierte Schulterstücke der Macht from your faction's Justice Point vendor for 2175 Justice Points. Smashing!

Kommentar von Jenelope

This is one of my two favorite mog sets. I call this the "Robocop Set".

If you're looking for a good sword to blend with this, I recommend Sul'thraze der Peitscher. The texturing on the blade is almost a perfect match with the underlying dark chainmail texture of the Overlord plate.

Kommentar von Tassit

Just saw I Blood Elf in this set, it looked amazing so I came here to see what it looked like on Female Trolls.. It's looks terrible on them! (At least to me) The big honkin' feet ruin it. >.<

Oh well, at least my DK tier still looks incredible. :)

Kommentar von ragnarbh

http://www.wowhead.com/compare?items=10203:10206:10208:10202:10205:41607:10374:12426:11729:11817:1203:45574

My Set

Kommentar von Onijitsu

A good, alternate chest (to spruce the look up just a tad) is Ruhm des Verteidigers

Kommentar von Foulbark

I have this set on my DK, and while I like the small size and simple lines of the shoulders, I don't like that they are grey instead of silver. I am also not a fan of the "headband" helm style for this look. So, rather than replacing the shoulders, I echo the grey tone by using the Korjan Helm Todesrachenfußschützer and the Dojani Waistband Gürtelbund des Dojani. Check out the overall look on the character here: Teleute. I think it blends together rather well! I'll also be replacing her weapon shortly with a better sword, once I have an upgrade.

Kommentar von Foulbark

I have this set on my DK, and while I like the small size and simple lines of the shoulders, I don't like that they are grey instead of silver. I am also not a fan of the "headband" helm style for this look. So, rather than replacing the shoulders, I echo the grey tone by using Korjanihelm and Gürtelbund des Dojani. Check out the overall look on the character here: Teleute. I think it blends together rather well.

Kommentar von Foulbark

I have this set on my DK, and while I like the small size and simple lines of the shoulders, I don't like that they are grey instead of silver. I am also not a fan of the "headband" helm style for this look. So, rather than replacing the shoulders, I echo the grey tone by using Korjanihelm and Gürtelbund des Dojani. Check out the overall look on the character here: Teleute. I think it blends together rather well.

Kommentar von 874204

http://www.wowhead.com/item=22429#. is the ultimate match for the shoulder slot of this set! Unless you have it from ancient Naxxramas you're gonna have to try your luck on the Black Market though!

Kommentar von Tooru

This set maiches perfectily with Kalimdor's Revenge. :)

http://www.wowhead.com/compare?items=25788:22270:10203:10207:10206:10208:10202:21679:59439

Kommentar von Drae58

If anyone is looking for a good cloak to use with this set Mantel der Belebung from the Turning the Tide quest in Shattered Halls. Fits very well. Currently have most of the set quipped on my toon. Draebrah-Burning Legion.

Kommentar von 311150

Reforged Trollbane looks damn well with this set.

Kommentar von Tantrevalles

THE OVERLORD'S SET FOR HUMAN PALADINS

EDIT: 12-23-2015

My current favorite use of the Overlord set uses the following ornaments:

Shoulders: Baleheim Epaulets
Bracers: Grizzlemaw Vambraces
Belt: Still the Girdle of Uther. Can't imagine not using this for my pally.
Back: Silver-Thread Cloak
Shirt (very important!) Stylish Black Shirt

What I like about the shoulders and braces combination is that their trim matches the banding of the rest of the Overlord's suit. The Stylish Black Shirt is important since it removes any possibility of skin showing just in case you use mog pieces that otherwise wouldn't cover everything up, such as my Grizzlemaw Vambraces. Screenshots should be up in a few days. Look for the ones that have "Baleheim Epaulets" in the descriptions.

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My main is a paladin, and I love this suit. It's my "go to" end-game mog set. For me, it hasn't required much in the way of sprucing it up. I like its basic, simple look and particularly its "hard day at the office" slightly-mismatched shoulders.

When the mood is upon you and you feel the need to be transformed from looking like the hero on the front lines to the Hero who's telling the other heroes what to do on the front line, it doesn't take much fiddling about. The following alternate pieces share the nicety of being drops or vendor purchases rather than quest rewards.

BELT: For just a wee bit of color that keeps it classy, it turns out that - entirely appropriately - the Girdle of Uther fits the bill beautifully.

HELMET: Entirely by accident, I discovered that the Justicar Crown gives the suit a downright lordly (may I say royal?) flair. It's just a very, very nice fit. When you're out there Questin', you need to look like a paladin who's in command. It brings hope to your allies and despair to your enemies.

Let's face it - there is no absolutely perfect helmet for this set, but half the fun is trying to make the close ones work out.

CAPE: It turns out that Burning Crusades instances drop excellent capes. The keys to a good cape for this set are simplicity of color and a decent length. Tell you what, I didn't believe it would work until I tried it, but the right cape is (almost) all you'll need to complete the set. (I say "almost" because, let's face it, an unfortunate tabard can make anything look bad. These alternate gear pieces don't need a tabard to set them off, but a nice one can make you look like you were knighted by Uther himself.)

BLACK: Cloak of the Craft
BLUE: Devilshark Cape
RED: Ruby Drape of the Mysticant
BLUE-ISH GRAY (BERYL?): Hellfire Cloak
WHITE ON GREEN: Burnoose of Shifting Ages

The Frost Lord's Battle Shroud has been resurrected as a Midsummer Fire Festival instance drop from Ahune. It has the same basic color as the Hellfire Cloak, but a vastly superior border. This is the one cape that does not drop at the Burning Crusades level. Also, it's a seasonal item. I put it on this list because it's worth waiting for. That little border makes a huge difference.

SHIELD: There are plenty of excellent shields, but I haven't come across anything that beats the Spiritual Barrier, which model can be obtained several different ways. Be warned: If you don't have some type of off-setting color with your Overlord's set (its innocuous brown belt is practically invisible), this shield makes you run the risk of looking a little too silver, almost campy. The Spiritual Barrier itself is a quest reward, but the same model can be obtained through drops.

ONE-HANDED: Well, I still 'mog the tried and true Mighty Iron Hammer. It's a blacksmith item, so if you can't find someone to craft it, then you can also get the Stormstrike Hammer from an Honor vendor for about 30 minutes' worth of HP (or an hour's worth if you have terrible luck in the queues). I can go either way here. The Stormstrike's gold trim matches the Girdle of Uther belt, but the Mighty Iron Hammer's no-nonsense, we've-been-busting-heads-all-day look matches the shoulders. Guess I'll save the gold trim for special guild events. (RP server, naturally.)

TWO-HANDED: I'm surprised nobody's yet mentioned the Divine Warblade, which is an exact copy of the House Wrynn Claymore, but unlike the Claymore is obtained from drops rather than a quest reward. Show your colors, men of the Alliance!

Hope this helps!

Kommentar von theonejanitor

Can anyone recommend some larger shoulders to go with this?

Kommentar von ponyclaw

Forgotten Peacekeeper Belt makes for a better fit, as the original belt is too brown in my opinion:
Alternate Overlord transmog

I also prefer this helmet, it has a (not very noticeable) slightly warmer tone of grey.
Works well on my fbelf.

Kommentar von Pytheas

You can always dress this set up a bit by using Stahlplattenhelm

For two hand swords there is X'caleber if you like the leather look on the handle

Kommentar von Sigrah5000

Personally, I pull this set out when I want to have an Argent Crusader type look. For two-handed weapons, I use Arkanitchampion, and for dual-wielding, I use Phosphoreszierende Klinge. Both have a white glow that overrides other weapon enchantments, especially the Phosphorescent Blades:

Two-Handed Weapon:
http://www.wowhead.com/compare?items=10203:10202:7524:12790:10208:46874:10201:10206:10205:10209

Dual-Weapon:
http://www.wowhead.com/compare?items=10203:10202:7524:27673:27673:10208:46874:10201:10206:10205:10209

Kommentar von Deedub

I like this armor set because I prefer a simpler, more classic look. But, like practically everyone else who likes this transmog set, it bugs me that the shoulders are a different color. Personally, I use grimscale pauldrons with this set. The color doesn't match any better (it's about the same as the set shoulders), but I prefer the simpler shape (I don't like pointy and/or spiky shoulders). For the helm, I use the field plate helmet (or steel plate helm, if you prefer a plume). I also replaced the feet with grim sabatons because I don't like the mail-over-the-toes look of the set piece. Item comparison here.

Edit: Shoulders can be hidden in Legion! Rejoice, all ye seekers after the classic knight-in-shining-armor look; for no longer need ye seek fruitlessly for a matching set of plain and simple shoulders!

Kommentar von Phelgrahm

Unlike many armor sets where the bracers are entirely covered by the gloves -- and therefore not necessary for Transmog purposes -- the Overlord's Vambraces are critical to completing the look of the Overlord's set.

Kommentar von Gammosh

I find the set to make you look like a Stormtrooper from Star Wars. It's plate so I can't get this on my hunter so I have this on my warrior with dual Helllichtschwerts. Next best thing, I guess.

Kommentar von fullydead

i've been searching for stuff to add that hasnt been done and i found to like this set a lot both ways if i can find shoulders for the second set here then i will go with that for sure but this first one blends a lot of different dynamics together that work very well

http://www.wowhead.com/dressing-room#mz0z0zH8zasmV9m87MmW1808zrG808M2387VM22808M25808o2u808M3z808M21808eTQ8ax8vgu8ax8

For this set steelforged weapons and shields match the set perfectly i used the two-hander just because its pretty sick looking especially dual wielded by a fury warrior and the weapons are crafted so fairly easy to obtain. their is a blue crystal in the shoulders that match the blue crystals in all the weapons so its a perfect fit. The gold rings accentuate the cloak and the rings on the chest as well.

Also really enjoying this but need shoulders to match cant find one to match the look

http://www.wowhead.com/dressing-room#mz0z0zH8zasmV9cSq8MDj808mW1808zrG808M2387VM22808M25808o2u808M3z808M21808z6o808z6o808

you can also replace the weapons with stuff like:

Großschwert der Grabesberührung, with this sword i like the Abgenutztes Steinhautgargoylecape as the cloak it matches the dark on the sword better then the white with gold trim type cloak
also a simple easy pick up that works well is Flamberg
even the Chevalierszweihänder works insanely well as stated above

if you want to look like a kingly knight try out
http://www.wowhead.com/dressing-room#mz0z0zH8zasmV9m8siN808mW1808zrG808M2387VM22808M25808o2u808M3z808M21808cOM808M5J808
for one hander replacement use Funkelndes Langschwert

Kommentar von Merkilan

I used Sonnenseelenschulterstücke from the paladin boosted set and Belt of Valor (Nachbildung des Gürtels der Ehre for newer players) to add a little decoration to it. Couldn't find a plate helm I really liked but I did happen to have Glanzmetallhelmkappe in my appearances tab. One of the very few plate chain coifs in the game that has since been removed. If you do not have it, but managed to get Alainas Häubchen,( it is cosmetic so transmogs with any armor type) the hood works as well.

Add a tabard to hide the very very plain chestplate and you are good to go. The best thing about this armor is its plainness.

I put up screenshots with both helms.

Recap:
Shoulders - Sonnenseelenschulterstücke
Belt - Nachbildung des Gürtels der Ehre for more decoration, Elementarer Plattengurt for more plain if wearing chain coif
Head - Glanzmetallhelmkappe or Alainas Häubchen

Not sure if any of this will be useful for horde characters.

Kommentar von Shogol

Nobody here has mentioned Klingenstahlschultern. It fits perfectly if you did the quest previously and have it unlocked.

Kommentar von Ralowae

If you are building the full overlords set for a transmog, The Sunsong Armored Bracers are not a perfect match but will fill the gap between gloves and chest and not ruin the look as a temporary measure. They are a quest reward from pandaria quests, so easy to obtain.

Kommentar von Brownster

I find Spaulders of the Righteous to be a fairly nice match if you're looking for something a little more substantial on your shoulders. There's enough silver and gold going on in the Overlord's gear to get away with them as part of a set. (Screenshot submitted)

Of course I'd never substitute my Overlord's Tiara *cough* I mean Overlord's Crown.

Kommentar von Necronomaly

Love this set. I find the fact that the gauntlets and boots don't stick out like water wings very appealing. I hide the shoulders which works out to a form-fitting Crysis suit type of look, although no luck finding an appropriate headpiece so far. The whole thing works very well with Emil's Brand, Archaic Defender or any straight to slightly curved narrow blade with a silvery color scheme.

Kommentar von Muffinus12

This is my Shadowlands take on this set:
https://www.wowhead.com/dressing-room#dz0z0zJ89c8a8L8s8c8q8zno8b8zxt8fh8M2Y8d8zG8fu8M3q8sc8zya8fG8M3k8k58zdA87O2fg808cz187VczZ808kCl808EoY808cM7MRd3808CkX87MvDs87M3EW808d808z

I'm using the "Sterling Fortress Spaulders" from Torghast which have a very similar silver look. I only transmogged one shoulder because the shield I'm using (upgraded Steelforged Shield) is pretty big and "covers" the other shoulder.

I have the overlord belt, but liked the 'Plainsthunder Waistguard' a lot more. It matches the set and it doesn't have as much brown as the overlord's.

Finally the 'Steelscale cloak' really brings it all together. Would like to get yall's thoughts.