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Kommentar von 203974

great relic. good in pve and pvp so mostly every pally will/should have one

Kommentar von annerajb

The 25 badges one is pretty good specially on situations where you have to spam holy light.
IMO this one would be adequate for 5 man's.

Kommentar von seanbr

Flash of Light with Healing Light talented receives 113% of spellpower.

Therefore, this Libram grants 301.71 healing per Flash of Light.

Kommentar von frmorrison

If are have the rating and like to PvP heal, this is the best libram to use. Flash is really great for PvP, since you can get instant Flash from IoL and don't have to stand still very long to cast this spell.

This libram adds 267 * 1 (100% of spell power is added to flash) * 1.12 (skill in the holy tree) ~ 299 more Healing to your FoL.

Kommentar von doffelund

you still get alot more HPS out of HL in raidhealing with the glyph of HL and precasting on the tank is absolutely necessery in alot of encounters, sure not many encounters have come to that difficulty lvl yet but som are. Havnt tried a paladin raidhealer on sarth 3D, perhaps its good we simply dont have enough of us, with only 2 really activa holys we cant really spare one on the raid, would be intressting to try but dont think its necessery, a druid/shammy/priest prolly can do the job just as good.

And why did I even comment, well, in the first posts you wernt that humble saying "everyone has to find their way to play" or whatever, you said people spamming HL in any other then 3 specifik encounters did not know how to play and basically wherent as "elit" as you. That I found was BS. And still, if you want HPS you use HL, perhaps you can even go with one less healer if you start with that since you will double your healoutput. If you then are good enough to get as much of it as possible as effective well, I just simply cant see a reason why not.

You trashed people about using holy light so im amazed how you can be offended by my reply. FoL is perhaps a viable option in some encounters and yes, ofcourse one uses it sometimes but its mainly HL on whomever needs it, HS if someone goes low and repeat, Will be intressting how our healing job will be with the coming DP nerf, perhaps it wont hit til ulduar but with 50% lesser healing during HL spamming/haste stacking might be less of an option.

And about haste, stacking haste and spamming FoL wont scale as good with gear either since the GBC cant be lowered more then to 1s

Even so, try to be a little more humble in your posts and I presume you will get more respectful responses, I just react at BS comments like "obviously you dont know how to play" and kinda went down to the same low level. In all fairness I didnt see the original posts that you commented on, perhaps the trashing started alot sooner but well, lets try keeping it on a more mature lvl from now on ;=)

Kommentar von 86257

I am currently using this baby and all I can say is that if you think it's not worth it doing arenas for this libram you're wrong, the ~300 healing increase to flash of light is a great HPS increase in PvE and PvP, I hardly ever switch librams (I used to switch in between Libram of Souls Redeemed and Libram of Renewal) but this one is by far superior at least for a flash of light spammer like me.

The only time i would use Libram of Renewal is for malygos depending on how good the tank is geared and the raid healers are, some time i have to spam holy light all over the place so guildies don't die :'(.

So if you really want to get the best for your pally, do arenas, you'll see it's worth it.

1st edit: Fixed grammatical errors :P

Kommentar von 337916

Just doing some research and had to put in my 2 cents.
FoL is most effective heal a pally has because of sacred shield.
My FoL crits for about 6k (raid buffed) about 80% of the time, and casts in less than a second. I'm pretty happy with my recount numbers.
I can get over 6000 hps with this method (thank you beacon of light and illumination). However, it is rare occasion when numbers like that are needed. 25 man patchwerk or a bad pull in a 5 man with all cloth dps that dont watch threat. 2500hps is usually top 2-3 slots on healing meter in my guild for a raid boss. Sometimes its me, sometimes not, depending on healing assignments and how lazy I feel. Should I consider changing to chain casting HL?
Our HL spamming holy pally has insane overheals numbers and kinda low effective heals, maybe they just dont know what theyre doing. Of course, if I'm in the raid and your chain casting HL, all your heals will be overheals too lol.
And I'm still using the libram from big bad wolf. I never need HL so all the HL librams are pointless to me. This libram would increase my heals by what? 90-150 hps or so? Pretty good imo. Too bad arena rating is so retarded. 8w-2L and we lose rating.

Kommentar von doffelund

and with spamming HL I will have atleast the same ammount effective as you but alot more raw = more potential effective in case of a burst. Since we are tankhealers HPS with beacon aint really a viable way to count. And with the coming instance I hardly think FoL will be viable at all. People seem to think overhealing is all bad, it is if you go oom, if you dont you might aswell overheal actually so that you land that heal once and awhile preventing a big burst.

Im well aware of the easy content atm and FoL might work good for many anway but I assure you that you will gimp the healing in your raid in ulduar if you dont switch. 6k HPS with beacon, I can easily double that with HL if not more. On patch (yes I know its not a good fight to measure but still) My HPS on the tanks is arount 14-15k and once again, why not when I have no problem with mana. Its most often alot more valuable to land big effective heals then smaller fast ones. And sacred shield aint very good in PvE on a fasthitting boss. When he hits the first stroke the shield is applyed and the next hit will remove it and it is ONLY during the time the actual shield is up that you recieve the crit bonus. But even with 100% crit your HPS will never come close to what you get with HL and with the HL glyph being as it is its just an even bigger reason for using HL. Ive never ever lost to a FoL:ing paladin in effective, not even been close and my raw healing is 3times as high and I never have mana issues ever.

About the rating, you get rating based on your hidden rating vs. the opposite teams team rating. Hidden rating though is the rating that decides who you meet and it does not increase/decrease in the same pace as the team rating. A new player in the arena with no prior record from s4 will have their hidden rating at 1300 therefor making it a little more difficult getting up in rating in the beginning but rest assure, if you win more then you loose you will eventually get higher. 1930 is actually not that hard as a paladin if you practice and get the gear.

*edit and futhermore if you say you have FoL under 1s and this libram grants 267FoL SP your HPS will probably increase with atleast 300, 90-150 perhaps if you are talking only effective?

Kommentar von Dongolev

According to my calculations at https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=60551#comments, the S6 model of this should give ~320 spellpower.

Kommentar von Empowah

To end the discussion of useful this glyph is.

I am an end game raiding paladin, I've cleared everything ingame includng Sarth3 10 and 25.
This glyph for PvE, while not garbage, is NOT the best ingame. As other people have linked, Libram of Renewal is the best ingame. While using FoL is ok in raids, a lot of encounters put out a lot of large burst where FoL spam just does not cut it. These encounters are mainly Sarth with 2/3 drakes up. If your doing Sarth3 10 or 25 man you will struggle to use FoL and keep your raid alive, especially if your running the popular setup that uses two (10 man) or six (25 man) healers. Holy Light counters the burst damage these encounters give and gives out incredible HPS figures whilst also providing a 1-1.5k heal on some nearby friendly targets. On our average kill of Sarth if I exclude Judgement of Light and Beacon of Light, I get around 60-70% Holy Light, and around 20-30% Holy Shock. If you want to keep the raid alive you constantly have to spam Holy Light and that is why Libram of Renewal is so effective, it allows you to get out more heals before you need to look to regenerate mana through Divine Plea, which you want to avoid if possible due to the healing debuff it causes.
That's not to say this glyph doesn't have its uses, I use it in 5 mans where there is very little burst and often in Naxx10.

Kommentar von 348993

While everyone's points about pve viability are interesting, this is not very helpful. The main purpose of this libram is pvp. This is why the gladiator gear is geared toward FoL (see the glad gloves as well as this libram) and the pve gear is focused on Holy Light (see the libram available from badges as well as the set bonus on the T7/T7.5 if you don't believe my claim).

In pvp, "HPS" doesn't mean it is the best spell; mana efficiency, vulnerability time, and keeping a target up are far more important. Casting holy light is only mana efficient (and safe) if you are 100% not focused on (not likely) and your target is always in LoS (Line of Sight for you pve-people, which as you may have guessed isn't smart as you will get cc'd).

To elaborate on the "safety" issue of HL, that extra .5 sec cast time that doesn't really matter in pve is game breaking in pvp. It is the difference between a warrior, shaman, deathknight, or more importantly a mage interrupting you, preventing you from casting ANY spell - this includes bubble (for a mage it is 10 seconds, which means your partner is guaranteed to die in that time because you can not use the pvp trinket/everyman for himself to get out of it, even though it causes loss of control of your character).

The spells a holy pally should use (not including offensive abilities, which you should be using if you want to get over 2k rating) are Flash of Light, Sacred Shield (keep this up at all times, this does not mean spam it), Holy Shock (if you are being focused, you should be using this spell whenever not on cd as you will be running to get out of LoS of your enemy), Hand of Freedom, and Hand of Sacrifice (You should use this when your opponent goes all-out on your partner, or whenever you need to be LoS of a mage or rogue to be able to heal).

A very important distinction between pvp healing and pve healing is it is not a spam fest (unless you or your partner is low).

To get back to the matter at hand, this libram supports pvp healing. That is why it is a pvp reward....

If you prefer to use Holy Light in arenas, that's your business. You will just need to use it conservatively, or you will need to have perfect LoS skills (which isn't impossible, but it will make your pvp experience much harder than it needs to be).

Kommentar von 258417

This is the best libram for healing heroics

Kommentar von Jarvaxll

I finally picked this up last night. No PvP required!

They dropped the required arena rating, and it costs 15,300 honor. I got the honor by buying 8 of these:

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=44115

Basically, I bought this libram for 240 stone keeper shards.

Kommentar von 340923

Worth doing some PvP to get it. I have been using the Blessed Book of Nagrand (never had the one from Karazhan drop for me) and this is going to be a much welcomed addition to my healing set.

Kommentar von NobodyYouKnow

I'm confirming what jarvaxll said is correct.

There are two upgraded versions of this libram.

The first is Furious Gladiator's Libram of Justice, which requires an arena rating of 700 and 1,150 arena points, or 6,400 honor and 350 arena points.
The second one is Relentless Gladiator's Libram of Justice, which requires an arena rating of 1,800 and 1,150 arena points. I don't think you can buy the Relentless Gladiator's Libram of Justice with honor points like you can with the Furious Gladiator's Libram of Justice or the Deadly Gladiator's Libram of Justice.

Kommentar von 77211

is this one good for ret pvp?

Kommentar von 451097

Wouldn't you need some arena points?

Kommentar von 262759

i dont pvp much, so i cant say this is the best or not in PVP. but it is a great Libram either way.

this libram works great in 5 man's, because FoL with a well geared pally can easily keep up with heals, and not use much mana. i can go through any 5 man heroic (other then ToC) and only use FoL and HS the entire run, and never dip below 75% mana. if that low.

in 10 and 25 man naxx, with the gear people are in now, this trinket works in there pretty well.

once you get into ulduar though you will need things more suited for using your bigger spell HL.

i find that in the ToC raids, im using HL allot more then FoL. the reason for this is

you have a tank that has lets say 42k health exactly. he takes a hit of 17k. my HL usually heals for 14-16k. my FoL usually heals for 4k (tops non crit) and sometimes up to 8k (crit). HL is 1.55 sec cast, HoL is 1.16 sec cast (this is after haste boosts).
HL - 1.55 sec cast - heal 15894 (for example
FoL - 1.16 sec cast - heal 7549 (crit), then again for 7432 (crit) (for example)

so, 1 heal with HL hit for almost 16k, spent 1210 mana, and 1.55 sec to cast.
i did 2 heals with FoL for a total of 14981, and a cost of 582 mana, spent 2.32 sec to cast.

my HL is 2.23 sec cast before buffs. and what happens if the tank takes another 17k hit while your casting your second FoL? that means the tank is down even more health that you have to heal.

what about another example. lets use that same tank, took the same damage, and your HL healed for the same amount. but this time you used a HS and got the instant FoL. and both are crits (best scenario)

HS - instant - heal 9843 (crit, you get instant FoL)
FoL - instant - heal 8k even (crit)

this time you healed for 17843 health. sweet, you covered the damage in a matter of seconds. at the cost of 962 mana. that is the best scenario for that combo. but what if neither of those are crits? then you will probably heal for 8-10k, maybe up to 11k with those two spells. after the HS you will have to wait for the global cd, then cast FoL. and again, if the tank takes another 17k hit.. thats more healing you have to do.

lets say you decide to use a combo of HL, then HS.

HL heals for 15673 (not a crit)
HS heals for 6834 (not a crit)

thats a total of over 22k healing done in less then 2 sec. thats more then enough to heal your tank back to full. use beacon on this. put beacon on the tank, then HL on someone who is low health, and pop off a HS on someone else. thats 44k+ total healing you have done. not to mention all the AoE healing you get off from the HL. lets say that hit 5 people for exactly 1k. there ya go, 49k healing done from 3 spells in 2 sec. lets say you tried that with beacon on the tank, and FoL spam. you get lucky and 4 hit for 8k in a row. that turns out to be 48k health in almost 5 sec of time. sure, you save some mana, but if the tank and others are in need of help, your 48k healing over 5 sec wont compare to doing 49k in less then 2 sec.

but if you did like me, and used BG's to get to 80. this libram is a great libram to get and use for a while. but once you start doing 25 Ulduar and ToC, you will need something that will help your bigger heal better.

Kommentar von 484698

Dragonreaper wrote my FoL usually heals for 4k (tops non crit) and sometimes up to 8k (crit).

4 K heal on 10 man is very low. You are not gemmed/glyphed/specced for FoL spamming. With just correct Glyphs /spec/ gem/ enchant and badge gear , AH gear and some 213 items (totc 10 man ready- Onyxia 10 man Ready-Ulduar 25 man ready) unbuffed FoL does 4500 +

I m not even going to bother to explain how much this goes up in 10 mans or how fast this is...

b] Dragonreaper HoL is 1.16 sec cast (this is after haste boosts).
HL - 1.55 sec cast - heal 15894 (for example
FoL - 1.16 sec cast - heal 7549 (crit), then again for 7432 (crit) (for example)

So what are you trying to prove ? that FoL is slower than HL ? Are you sure you checked your cast time numbers correctly ? Let me give you a little hint : FoL will allways be faster than HL cause its simply designed to be faster and the only buff designed in the entire game that excluslivly boosts only HL if applied (lights Grace) still FoL is going to be much faster ...

b] Dragonreaper FoL usually heals for 4k (tops non crit) and sometimes up to 8k (crit).

You are again mis informing ppl ... Crit is your normal spell + 50% = so 4 +2 = 6 ...what is wrong with you ?
If you happen to see 8K crit then that means that your normal FoL is about 5200

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