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Kommentar von Leome

Nur für die Statistik: Ich habe es beim 31. Versuch bekommen, bei der 1. Quest am dritten Farm-Tag.

Es wird also wieder so eine Mechanik wie bei den Schlotternächten eingebaut sein, dass die Wahrscheinlichkeit beim ersten Versuch des Tages stark erhöht ist. In den englischen Kommentaren wird das auch bestätigt. Es reicht also, einmal am Tag die Quest zu machen.

Kommentar von Kila

Ingame gibt es beim Auswählen der Drachenanpassungen sowohl eine Körperrüstung Winterhauch als auch eine Kopfrüstung Winterhauch.
Beides erhält man mit diesem einen Drachenwächtermanuskript.

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Kommentar von Waffles12738

you can preview this now on live servers. link shows screenshots. https://imgur.com/a/JxWeQVr

Kommentar von Apolyptica

New reward in 2023, can be obtained from Gestohlenes Geschenk
https://postimg.cc/sQn8VjBM

Kommentar von NelleRavencrest

It is looted from the daily Gestohlenes Geschenk rewarded for completing So was Gemeines... / So was Gemeines...

I got the new (2023) Festliche transdimensionale Vogelpfeife in the FIRST Gestohlenes Geschenk
Now 59 alts later looting the Gestohlenes Geschenk (on the same day, for science!) I still haven't been blessed with Hochlanddrache: Winterhauchrüstung

I'm starting to suspect this drop is like previous manuscript and mount drops from the reworked holiday events, where you have a HIGH chance to get the drop from the first Gestohlenes Geschenk of the day account-wide. Anything you do after that on your alts have a LOW chance to result in a drop.
That is why we will see comments from lucky people who state "I got it from #X present of the day".

~~Hopefully I will save everyone around here a lot of time, by recommending you to NOT do it on alts, but just once each day during the whole event.~~

Another and in my eyes less likely option could be, that it is in fact just a static 1/100 or similar low drop from Gestohlenes Geschenk that we have to brute force.

If anyone else is an alt-masochist and feel like doing some science, here is the "fastest" way to complete the daily:

Horde:
Get to Orgrimmar
Take daily quest
Use the Undercity portal in the tower up at flightpath NPC
Fly to Hillsbrad Foothills
Do the daily
Use Orgrimmar Teleport Cloak
Hand in daily quest

Alliance:
Use Dalaranruhestein
Go into Magical Menagerie building on the right, talk to Manapoof and teleport to Stratholm
Fly to Hillsbrad Foothills
Pick up the daily from Seltsamer Schneemann behind the tree and complete it
Use your HS or Stormwind Teleport Cloak
Use portal from Stormwind to Boralus
Take portal to Ironforge
Hand in daily quest

If anyone looted Hochlanddrache: Winterhauchrüstung please reply here, and also include if it was from your FIRST Gestohlenes Geschenk of the day or on additional attempts. We need some solid data. Still have to keep in mind that most people who get it in first attempt wont ever read these comments, only those of us who wonder why we DIDNT get it will stop by here to read about other peoples experience. Please dont downvote people who say they got it on first attempt out of anger, we need the data :)

My progress in 2023:
Day 1 (sat) - 60 x Gestohlenes Geschenk = No drop
Day 2 (sun) - 60 x Gestohlenes Geschenk = No drop
Day 3 (mon) - 60 x Gestohlenes Geschenk = No drop
Day 4 (tue) - 60 x Gestohlenes Geschenk = No drop
--- Weekly reset in EU. There seem to have been a hotfix upping the droprate ---
Day 5 (wed) - 19th Gestohlenes Geschenk of the day dropped Hochlanddrache: Winterhauchrüstung

Kommentar von Vexice

15 attempts on day 1 before losing interest. Got the pepe toy on the first chest of the day, will return tomorrow to try again.

Not interested in brute forcing this one, we all just went through the Arfus grind at Halloween and if this indeed can drop at a low drop chance as some other commentors have already said, then Blizzard really doesn't listen to or learn from feedback. At least with Arfus, you only had to que up alts from wherever they were but this time around it's much more cumbersome to travel your alts to and from Hillsbrad.

Kommentar von sikhjatt23

Has anyone gotten this to drop on a character lower than 60?

Kommentar von Hyphie

Rarity String, set it to 100 attempts, since no drop data at the moment
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Kommentar von Naiamaia

I am tired of low dropchances.

Kommentar von dlander

Just received Hochlanddrache: Winterhauchrüstung from Gestohlenes Geschenk on my sixth try today, all level 70.

Kommentar von increditha

Here is my own 2023 attempt data for addition to the others here for the Winter Veil Armor. I feel like since these holiday dragon armors are still new to the holidays, we tend to get more info from the lucky, than the unlucky, and I tend to be unlucky in WoW. I hope others feel a little better at least knowing they aren't the only ones with bad luck. To all the lucky folk, congrats, and yes, it appears you were luckier than many others if you got it your first attempt or even first few. To everyone who is even unluckier than me, just keep at it. I know it sucks, but I really hope you get it soon!

This data is from my characters who are level 60+ only and from two linked accounts. I also ran around 30+ alts each day between level 30-59 for the easy experience, but the armor didn't drop from them probably because the package they get is the green quality Stolen Gift instead of the verified drop from the blue quality Stolen Present that level 60-70 get--I also only got extra toys, pets, and/or gear out of the blue Stolen Presents--more speculation on this under spoiler below. It was a different number of attempts for my level 60+ chars each day just based on how quickly I got bored or disheartened.

DAY 1: 28 attempts. No armor. **A guildie got it on his 4th character (level 63) and 4th attempt of day 1 (so this is another verification that it CAN drop on alts after that first attempt of the day, but who knows if it's a significantly increased chance for the 1st attempt of the day AND if that is per account or per character, since Blizzard still refuses to be clear and specific about most drop chances, and if we know anything about this game, it is that RNG is very real and can be cruel and misleading).
DAY 2: 25 attempts. No armor.
DAY 3: 19 attempts. No armor. **Another guildie got the armor today and said it was around their 8th attempt, overall, and their 3rd alt (level 70) and attempt of the day for that account.
DAY 4: 26 attempts. No armor.
DAY 5: FINALLY obtained on attempt 6 of the day on one of the accounts (level 64 alt)!
TOTAL ATTEMPTS: 104

Additional speculation, info, and thoughts under spoiler to save on space and spare those who don't care for it (note that this info is from 2023's introduction of the armor to the holiday and the drop rates might change with as mad as this made a lot of us). :D
TL;DR: If you have to have low drop rates in the game, Blizzard, at least save low drop rates on new items for actual NEW bosses and new content that people haven't already farmed hundreds of times over the years, and just add in bad luck protection already for it all.

SPECULATION: From what people are reporting on here, and what I've witnessed in-game, I suspect that Blizzard may have gone back to the regular RNG system for the Winter Veil Armor (compared to the other holiday drop armors) of around 1/100 drop chance, give or take, and from the blue present (level 60-70; only one report I see so far of a person claiming they got on lower--maybe just a really low chance off green present or they were mistaken). Therefore, if you have an alt army, it is probably worth using the level 60+ alts again if you really want the armor because we are not seeing a significant amount of drops only from the first attempt of the day per account, which suggests even if there is an increased chance still for the first attempt of the day for the account, it must not be by that much for this armor.

EXAMPLES OF MY BAD LUCK WITH THESE ARMORS: I ran Brewfest every day on multiple level 60+ alts for what was easily over 200 total attempts, and possibly well-over 300, on the Brewfest Armor with no luck. I didn't get the armor. For the Hallow's End Armor, I decided to mostly just do the 1st attempt each day per account, as many seemed convinced these armors have a significantly greater chance to drop for that 1st attempt per account. I ran around 1-5 level 60+ chars every day of Hallow's End on two linked accounts and still didn't get the holiday armor. ~~This time, I'm going to try more alts again each day and see if I get luckier at least since I didn't get lucky for the other holiday drop ones.~~ <== I did, but it still took 104 attempts!

ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS: I'd also like to stress my own frustration with these systems that keep messing with drop chances and only reward the lucky and those who don't know any better, over just giving us our bad luck protection already through either vendor/token systems or that reward the item after x amount of attempts--where effort is actually rewarded. It's a game; I find it fun when my effort is actually rewarded, and I don't mind if people can still get lucky and get something in their first attempt or first few--I just get pissed when I'm having to put in 3-5 times the effort of the average player to get it (or even more). Basically, if an item or mount is a 1/100 drop chance, and I still haven't gotten it by chance 100, I'm going to be pissed as I consider that to be well into bad luck range, beyond what the average player is probably putting into it, and well-earned already. I don't think it is fun to kill something 100+ times, or run a raid or dungeon 100 times+, just trying for one item--especially if it isn't a very fun fight or raid/dungeon but I REALLY want the mount/item.

It is also worth noting that for people who have long had everything done for these events, when Blizzard adds in a new low drop rate item to the holiday bosses, it sucks because we only need the new item(s). So we are farming the !@#$ out of the event AGAIN for one or two new things because we either really want them or have whatever drive to collect it all. That is just stupid. I don't mind revisiting the event, but I don't want to do this lame farm all over again when I have literally farmed it hundreds of times over the years if not more, and yet, here I am...farming a holiday boss I'm beyond sick of, for one item that I just really want because it looks great and is funny, but I'm just not sure it's worth it, and it's making me question, yet again, why I even play a game that tortures me like this? I mean obviously I enjoy WoW otherwise, but this is really a huge issue that would just make the game so much better if it just got its stupid bad luck protection in and considered all of the collectors and people who have played the game for, let's say, 10+ years. I'm not seeing a lot of them, if any, rooting for more RNG drop items on bosses they already farmed 100+ times. If you have to have low drop rates in the game, Blizzard, at least save low drop rates on new items for actual NEW bosses and new content that people haven't already farmed hundreds of times over the years, and just add in bad luck protection already for it all.

Kommentar von ScreamOutTears

So I do this daylie now every day with my main and 11 alts.

Day 1 = No Manuscript
Day 2 = No Manuscript
Day 3 = No Manuscript
Day 4 = No Manuscript
Day 5 = YES i got it! It was my 8th kill that day when i got it!

Good luck everyone!

Kommentar von Agrias

I'm so freaking tired of these bull$h!t RNG low drops. What is the point of this? (other than participation metrics) Why Blizzard devs are so incompetent? Over the years I started to think that they actually hate their company and their job and players so they come up with new way to annoy people and waste their time. It's freaking Christmas it should be a nice gift for everyone not a freaking boring grind.
I know WoW players will hate this part but I play FF14 as well and there each year every single holiday has a nice new quest line and reward without such stupid RNG grinds like WoW has.

Kommentar von Faradriel

you have to be level 70 to have it drop? or can I do it with alts that aren't 70 yet? (55+)

Kommentar von starz44

It would be nice to get the manuscript in time to use for Winter Veil.

Kommentar von Tsukasa117

Starting to think this follows the 'you have an increased chance on your first character a day' mechanic as I got the whistle on my first toon ever this holiday(I did not realize its bee up since the 16th) an every subsequent toon(I have 13 total) has been garbage and consumables.

Kommentar von Akher

"We acknowledge that the drop on Arfus was too low...

...and that we'll f***ing do it again."

Kommentar von Thorunn866

I didn't think I would have to farm for a Christmas present XD

Kommentar von JK13

I don't know about the rest of you, but I have enough Graccus hausgemachte Früchtepastete and Papierzeppelinset to last me until next year. Here's to hoping the devs listen to feedback and add in bad luck protection for these drake skins!

Kommentar von MasterTiger

I received this item on try of my 4th character today which was level 67. Upon using this customization my dragon does not show the head piece with antlers. I have just started Dragon Isles so maybe this affects appearance.

Update: I have discovered there is separate option to use head armor appearance in the Rostrum of Transformation.

Kommentar von ometeo

got it on my third present on second alt lvl 70 :) love it

Kommentar von Silver100

Is this account wide? A low drop chance plus only on the toon that gets the drop would really be stinky.

Kommentar von Solaaris

Got my Drake armor on the 2nd kill of the 3rd day.

Only did it for a second time one a 70 out of interest since on my first 70 of the day all I got was a meat pie lol.

Kommentar von SargerasWasRight

I'm glad that the brewfest and halloween manuscripts were so rare they may as well not even exist because it already taught me that I wont be getting this one either. I can just be bitter and unhappy and after all that's what christmas is all about. Blizzard nailed it.

Kommentar von TokyoTerror

Dropped on the first ever loot.

Kommentar von AveryZan

Another waste of potential. Could have had a really cool questline, or just put it under the tree to unwrap. Instead, another repeatable abysmal drop rate farm.

Kommentar von Bachian

Got it first try. Hope everyone else gets it!

Kommentar von Shashos

31 tries today and nothing. It's Arfus all over again. If we could queue up for this, it wouldn't be so bad. The flying and constant hearthing/porting makes this incredibly tedious for farming. I've already reached a state of not wanting to continue tomorrow and that sucks.

Edit: Ok, I caved. Did some runs today. Run 49 was the one. Good luck everyone.

Kommentar von Changaiz

Just got this on my level 61 warrior! i suppose it will drop for any character with Dragonriding.

Kommentar von Borga76

Really not a fan of these continuously being low droprate items. Honestly, I prefer the gold sink ones, because at least then people have the assurance of knowing if they will get it or not during the event, rather than it being a gamble.

Currently 47 dailies done and I've gotten many toys, multiple Winter's Grasp Illusions, and even a bloody Flames of Ragnaros Illusion (my first and only), but no armor.

I wish we knew what the exact requirements were for this - can it be obtained from the green quality box or is it only the blue one?

Kommentar von Taremma

42 attempts for me to pick this up. not a horrible drop rate in and of itself, but a lot of time wasted going from org to hillsbrad, and then waiting around for greench to spawn. got lucky a few times and showed up in time to get completion after it was killed. good luck everyone!

Edit: (Update) 73rd attempt dropped Illusion: Flames of Ragnaros

Kommentar von Ayree

Dropped on the 4th day of farming. I made 100 attempts each day (approximately) except for the first day when there was no info on drop chances. Hope all you get it with less effort. Happy hunting!

Kommentar von Elitecookie

Dropped on my 27th attempt of Day 2 of trying. Looks like this doesn't have that absolutely, horrible droprate that Arfus or Brewfest had with it's garbage first kill of the day per account and after that horrendously low droprate.

I'm in the boat of, don't make it 100% droprate but at least make it so it doesnt take 3-4 hours every day to do it.

Kommentar von Borga76

Seeing some people in the comments having hundreds of attempts before they get it is very concerning, I really hope that those are just natural outliers <.>

Kommentar von Infers

Apparently this was recently hotfixed and it is dropping a lot more than it initially was. Can anyone confirm the fix was pushed on both EU and NA?
I wanna test it out on a few unused characters I didn't try yet.

Kommentar von pheonixxfoxx

I've been trying on 10 toons daily since the 16th. Today, I finally got the drop on my 3rd character of the day, making my total attempts 33. I wish everyone the best of luck!

Kommentar von Windrider86

hello , just came here to confirm that it drops for characters under 70 lvl. It dropped for my 61 lvl alt.
Well this was ,you know , ''fun'' as you can see https://imgur.com/JprAiRL ......

All the time i was thinking how much ,you know , ''fun'' will be the love in the air when it lands after a couple of months.

Good luck everyone hope u get it wayyyy earlier than me .

Kommentar von Volante

For data purposes, got it today

Day 1 - 0/26
Day 2 - 0/26
Day 3 - 0/26
Day 4 - 1/6

Kommentar von paladriel

Got mine in the second stolen gift of the day. And yes, I still farm things with alts.

Kommentar von gellehar

Finally received today after nothing from roughly 95-100 attempts over the 3 days prior (since the event started).

Kommentar von Asylum5072108

Just got my Winter Veil Armor

Day 1 - 24 attempts
Day 2 - 25 attempts
Day 3 - 23 Attempts
Day 4 - 22 Attempts

Just b4 I gave up for the night lol

Kommentar von jophur

For the statisticians out there, this dropped on my 59th attempt, on the 14th attempt on day 4 (Tuesday 2023.12.19)

Kommentar von Caleb95

I got played for Christmas

Kommentar von Kagitaar

Got it on my 5th run of the day, 26 total.

Kommentar von BeerWolf

I've been getting these holiday related manuscripts on the first attempt of the day that gives the best chance at, typically within the first week. Got this today, so can't be that bad a drop rate for the daily first attempt.

Kommentar von deadjames

No idea if I was lucky or they've increased the drop chance as of 20/12, but got mine at around 20-25 tries in total and second try at weekly reset.

Kommentar von Stormwarning

I just got mine. I looted it from my 12th alt of the day before reset.

Kommentar von darkholme21303

Finally dropped on my 9th alt of the day. 6th day. That makes it a total of 54th attempt till it dropped for me.

Kommentar von NissaR

Did the quest 3 times on day 1 of Winter Veil, then carried on levelling an alt, as it's a huge time sink doing this particular holiday on tons of alts.

Decided this morning at 15 minutes until resets to give it another go, it didn't drop, handed in the quest with time to spare before resets, grabbed todays daily, flew back and IT DROPPED with the Red Wooden Sled in same box.

Kommentar von maorel

Got my drake after 2 days of farming, first day i tried 17 times witn no luck , a mix of lvl 60 and 70
Second day i got it on my 5th try on my mage.

Kommentar von psychocyd

Got mine from 11th present of the day. 75 attempts in total.

Kommentar von Borga76

Got mine from my 7th present today, on the 5th day, for a total of 55 attempts :D

Kommentar von coldwinter18

Just looted with my level 63 rogue (I had unlocked all dragonriding talents but hadn't completed any quests in Dragonflight). It was not the first daily kill, but it was the 8th character kill today.

Kommentar von Saharad

Looted on my lvl 70 Monk, 6th try of the day (also my birthday, thanks Blizz!), 55th try overall.

Kommentar von sivohn

I do suggest running your alts. I got mine on my 6th run of the day.

Shoutout to Hilary-Sargeras for porting so many of us to the crater and making it go much quicker.

Good luck to all!

Kommentar von mmota

Got on my 14th try

Kommentar von KikiyoDragon

Got this today (day 5). I was farming with 37 characters and received it on the 7th kill today. I looted it alongside the Storytelling Scroll and one of the green pets (a rotten helper I think), all which I've already had unlocked years prior.

Kommentar von Asran

Been attempting this with anything that can do the quest, though primarily 70's. Got the drake armour on the 3rd attempt of the day, 70 Nightborne lock on Stormrage-EU. Present also had the handful of copper racers and a Graccu-cake.

Keep trying everyone...a lot of chances left so don't give up!

Kommentar von Goblinaire

Received on my 9th kill today, 26th overall.

Kommentar von Argus00

26 alts every day, nothing.

Also doing the BFA mission table quest on 26 alts, nothing.

Kommentar von Namic

Was farming this on 13 toons over 5 days. Didn't get it until my second toon on day 5

Kommentar von Kailea

got in 2nd Stolen Present today.

Although I believe in the theory that the first char on acc. has the highest chance of loot (per day), I don't think that the first char has great chance and for the rest it's close to zero.I believe that the chance decreases gradually with each additional alt.And that's how it works w/ Alchemical Flavor Pocket/Community Feast event too IMO.
This means that Blizzard didn't want each of the ie 40 alts to have an equal chance to get loot nor that 39 tries to be complete waste of time and applied a compromise solution.

Kommentar von Arikanna

Got it on the 4th character on Day 5. It was my 60th kill in total.

Kommentar von Platedpriest

Today december 21st I have 60 kills all on lvl 60+ characters and still no Manuscript.
Does anyone know the droprates?

Edit: Got it on my 61st kill, today december 21st.

Kommentar von Kriandis

Contrary to what other sites will say, Always run your alt's!
I just got this on my 6th alt on the 5th day of running. I normally only run 7 characters a day.

Kommentar von Kittenbaby

Can confirm it drops on alts. I've ran 14 characters every day since the event started. Just got it on my 8th character today. Honestly I'm glad for that since it means I won't have nearly as much space being taken up but these damn Clockwork Rocket Bots as I do Sinister Squashlings. <.<

Kommentar von ZephyrosPhoenix

Got this on my first attempt on the fourth day of running the daily across 17 alts. So that means it took 52 attempts before it dropped for me.

I also got the Pepe toy on the first try.

Kommentar von Quarla

Definitely run alts if you're trying to get it. Got it on my 4th character of the day today (6th day of the vent). I was running on about 8 daily so not a crazy amount.

Kommentar von LailanIllidan

Your alts do not need to be 70 to get this item correct?

Kommentar von Speratic

Got mine in 6 attempts, I got a bit lucky 😅

Kommentar von Dittani

Got this on my first attempt!

Kommentar von sinestra139

Got it on my 6th try with an alt in one day. Maybe the drop rate has been improved?
Got Pepe on my 5th alt.

Definitely worth running your alts.

Kommentar von Naiamaia

Does not seem to come with neither the antlers nor the red nose....

Kommentar von planetorange

I got it from 1st try of the daily Stolen gift. 23/12/23
It has higher chance to drop on 1st try of the day.

Kommentar von Mistvessel

Got it on 68 lvl character on 10th attempt of the day. Total 47 attempts.
Also I got the Spielzeugrüstungsset with it, so the manuscript isn't exclusive with the toy items.

Kommentar von dlflyboy

Finally dropped for me today after my 3rd try. Been running 8 toons since the event started. GL all!

Kommentar von Sleiman

Got mine today 23/12-23 on my level 61 evoker took total 9 attempts! run ur alts no need to be 70
gl all

Kommentar von crimminal

Was worried I wasn't going to get it but it finally dropped for me today, Saturday, December 23, on my lvl 70 Demon Hunter after 82 attempts.

Kommentar von Wheeljack

For statistical purposes, got mine today on the second char of the day.
Total attempts wasn't more than 11.

Kommentar von Tigsy89

It dropped for me the first day. I learned it. It's still locked at the rostrum (it's there, just not useable). I reset my interface like Blizz suggested still nothing.

So even though I was lucky, I didn't benefit from it.

Kommentar von skywise8

I got really lucky and got it on my very first attempt.

Kommentar von kingbane

I got mine today on a 63 Hunter Alt. So I don't think I believe that it's higher chance your first time in a day. I farmed it on 8 alts a day lvl 50+.

Kommentar von Dianora

I was running (and testing new built) on my Paladin main while queueing for Timewalk Dungeons. It would've been the 6th attempts of the day and it finally dropped. Now I'm free from this farm.

Kommentar von Naravia

Just received today on my 5th attempt of the day, level 60 warrior alt. Hasn't been to dragon isle yet but has done the very first quest. I have 5 characters level 60-70 and have run the daily about 6 days, so about 1/30 drop.

Kommentar von Cima

8 twinks everyday and no luck so far. The drop rate is ridiculously low for something thats only available around christmas

Kommentar von mdvdt

Got on my 4th kill of the day with an alt lvl 62
Been doing daily with 4 characters since the beginning

Kommentar von WoWGirl305

I finally obtained Hochlanddrache: Winterhauchrüstung on my 11th toon for the day. Total attempts? 83.

Kommentar von detanimationman

For what this unscientific method is worth:

Did it on the first 3 days on all my 12 lv 70 - so that was about 36 attempts. Then went here to check and took the advice that the chance is highest with the first drop.

After that I did it on max 3 chars for the following days until today, 29th, where it dropped on my very first attempt of the day.

Total attempts: not more than 70.

Kommentar von Rudder

Just for all those wondering - I did the daily on 4 toons, and the 4th toon I got the armor for the Highland Drake.

Kommentar von jlrm365

Highland Drake: Winter Veil Armor

If you get this, go to transform your Highland Drake and find that there's a bit missing, there isn't.
It just comes in two parts.

Body Armor -> Winter Veil
Head Armor -> Winter Veil

🎅🎄🎁🥳

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