Kommentare

Kommentar von unlimit

As far as I can tell, these bags will be the single largest non item-specific bags ingame.

Kommentar von pelicanus

This bag is really worth it's money not to mention it's on a stable price and not varying as the 20slotters on AH, I hope it won't get Unique-Equiped or such, just think about those druids that have both tier 5 and tier 6 and they're trying to get gear for all their 3 specs or paladins, those ppl would be in dire need of bag space, I personally don't like to shard my tier 5 because I got tier 6.

Kommentar von 164229

This bag seems a little pricey for a very insignificant bag space gain.

Most people will be upgrading from the Netherweave Bags (16 Slots; Virtually Free) or the Imbued Netherweave/PMC Bags (18 & 20 Slots Respectively) which are a bit more expensive (50g/350g respectively on our server). So best case scenario you're looking at an extra 6 bag slots at around 200g/slot, worst case you're looking at 2 bag slots at 600g/slot.

It is a lot more efficient for you to simply create a guild bank on an alt. The first slot will set you back roughly 100g (insignificant overhead to create a guild charter) and net you 96 slots - a price of just over 1g/slot.

The only argument you could make for an actual need for these bags would be for tanks taking multiple resist sets to raids, but even with multiple resist sets, full consumables etc you really don't really need it. You've also got to consider the timing of the bags release. With the release of WotLK lurking in the not-so-distant future you could make a safe bet that you will have access equal or bigger bags at a lower cost in the expansion.

Kommentar von Xpariah

The only issue I see with purchasing something like this this late in the expansion is what is soon to be on the horizon. If 22-slot bags will become the norm than this is just a quick way to get ahead of the curve. But if bag slots increase even more, it seems like a pretty steep price for something replaced rather soon (in terms of a MMO's lifespan). If you have gold in excess, by all means. But if you need extra bag space and are tight on cash, I would recommend the previous poster's suggestion about using a guild bank on an ALT and waiting it out until tailoring information is released for WotLK and see what the new bag slots will be.

TL;DR: You've made it this far on 18- or 20-slot bags and if 22-slot will not be the new maximum, it might be in your best interest to wait to see what WotLK will offer you.

Kommentar von zhek

The biggest and baddest craftable bag has always fetched a price far far greater then it's lower (and usually drastically easier to make) version.

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Pre-expansion you were looking at world drops for near EVERY 16 slotter. Mooncloth bags come from a world drop pattern and took a decent chunk of time and effort to make back in the day. So most players had 16 slotters from the AH, via random world drop Traveler's Backpacks. 18 slotters were premium items, two were boss drops, another was a Argent Dawn grind late in pre-expansion.

There's a craftable 18 slotter from way back, but combined with the cost of the mats and how fun it was to earn gold back then (and the fact that the pattern was a world drop off various raid bosses didn't help) I can't say I saw many of them, and definitely never had one myself. I couldn't tell you what the cost of a Bottomless bag was reliably, but it was probably close to a thousand at a point where most players probably didn't have their epic ground mount.

In TBC we see the 16 slotter solidified as pretty much bare minimum, due to dirt cheap costs for Netherweave bags. We see the former premium negated by making 18s MUCH easier to craft, and the new premium becomes 20s. There are two sources for 20s outside of crafting, and crafting them IS generally cheaper and more common then Bottomless bags ever were, so it might mean a slight trend increasing accessibility.

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But either way, I think this still shows a good chance of these things lasting a good ways into WotLK. They'll probably move 18s up to the new standard, 20s will be the new bag size to aim for, and 22s will be the new premium. Maybe late WotLK we'll start to see 24s, but by then, will 1200g matter? You'll have enjoyed having 22s from before you even set foot into Northrend.

Looking back on my post makes me feel like I'm referring to rim sizes, but I think it's value is a bit less epeen flexing then that. I know that for my hunter, going from easy to buy 18s, skipping the now fairly sparse and generally much more expensive then usual 20 slot bags entirely, and just dropping a bunch of gold on these means a decent chunk of space I get to enjoy on a character who only gets 3 bag slots.

Dropping enough gold to fill my bank with these guys? I dunno if most players are ready for that. Some spare gold to make room for whatever you want? Seems a solid purchase, and again, going by existing trends, you won't be worried about replacing them for awhile. Gold isn't worth anything if you have nothing to spend it on. I know that once I got used to earning gold, I got to enjoy the perks of spending it as well. I could penny pinch all the way into late WotLK, but by then, would the money even be a concern?

Kommentar von 145380

Ony dropped 18's
Mags dropped 20's
There's no reason to expect the "boss drop" bags won't be 22's.

If you can get 22's now, and use them for the leveling grind (less trips to vendors more time killing), it seems like a worthwhile thing.

Personally, I probably won't replace my 20's with 22's (only have 2 20's), but I will probably replace my 18's with these.

Kommentar von coredumperror

The bag size limit is almost certainly not related to data storage problems on servers. The only thing that your bag needs to hold is the item id (a 5-digit number) and any gem/enchant IDs for that item, which would account for, at most, 4 more 5-digit numbers (and it's probably less than that, since there's so few gems and enchants compared to items that they can use smaller numbers). So, each bag slot needs only store 5 small numbers (2 bytes each), for a total of 10 bytes per slot. Even if every player had a dozen 22-slot bags (including bank slots), that's a very small amount of storage, even for several thousand players per realm. That's on the order of only 20-30 megabytes of storage, total, for a server with a population of 10000 players.

Since there's about 10 million WoW players, you could estimate that the total storage necessary for every bag in game, across every server, in every country, is around 30 gigabytes. That's less than half the size of the average hard disk on a single personal computer.

Kommentar von Warrok

Your breakdown is an assumption of how it could be done efficiently. I think you forgot to store how many of an item are stored in which specific slot of a specific bag. So it might be a little bit more, but nowhere near as much as Blizzard is wanting us to think.

Interestingly a Blizzard employee stated in a bluepost some months ago that there actually is a physical limit to item storage and thus we won't see huge storage space increases in the future. Even back then the argument sounded somewhat weak.

The only thing I could imagine is a certain inefficiency with the size of larger database tables. Though in the end it boils down to the fact that Blizzard might have to upgrade servers which are run by our subscriber fees.

Kommentar von sdkphoenix

The most slots you can have in a bag is 36. Look here. Anymore and your game would crash when you open your bags.

Kommentar von 62113

As a Paladin heavily active in both Tier 6 and PvP, I have 9 sets of BoP gear and respec by the day, sometimes by the hour. In no order: healing raid (balanced/MP5), healing raid (haste), healing pvp (Mp5), healing pvp (haste), healing pvp (balanced), tanking raid (balanced), tanking raid (shadow), Ret pvp, Ret raid, grinding. Granted some sets use some of the same gear but when you play long enough and get every off-spec trinket, might as well use them if they fulfill a niche.

Additionally I have my "purple judgement" set I worked so hard for pre-kara back in the day. That set is worthless to me now if it weren't for the immense nostalgic value I have for it. I know I'm not the only one who's kept an set around for this reason. I just can't bring myself to DE it.

For all the Rogues/Mages/Hunters/Locks out there, try rolling a hybrid if you haven't already, then get back to me on the "worth" of this bag.

Kommentar von coredumperror

Axier, your argument is utterly baseless.

Just for the fun of it, lets assume extreme inefficiency in how items are stored, and each slot requires an entire kilobyte of storage on the server (this is so completely unreasonably high that Blizz would have had to have used a retarded orangutan to code the bag system, so it'd actually be a lot smaller, but this is just for fun). That's 32 * 1024 bytes * 5 bags * 20000 players per server = ~3 gig TOTAL per server. If that's even a measurably significant amount of storage on the servers they're running, Blizz is siphoning more of their > $1billion a year income to their CEOs than I already assume.

Now assume that each each player has to send his entire inventory's worth of data to the server every time he picks up an item (also ridiculously inefficient and unlikely). That's 160kbytes per 20 seconds while grinding mobs. 160k would take less than 3 seconds to transfer to the server even if you were using a 56k modem, and it'd take <0.5 sec on any kind of modern broadband. If 200 players sent 160k to the server at exactly the same second (again, quite unlikely), that'd require ~32.5 meg/sec of download bandwidth for the server to not choke on it. That's about 1/3 the speed of the slowest corporate datapipes that server's use to handle internet interaction with users.

And if any of these numbers seem high to you, don't forget that the original estimate of 1kbyte per slot is probably almost 100 times more bytes than they actually use. That means 3 gigs per server becomes 30 meg per server. 160k per 20 seconds becomes 1.6k. 32.5 meg/sec bandwidth becomes 325 k/sec. All those numbers are so utterly trivial that blizz could safely ignore all the space and bandwidth that is used up by bags.

The real answer to why Blizz limimts our bag sizes is exactly what Zuiko said: "The real reason is game design. They don't want people to have unlimited space so they have to choose what they want to keep and can't keep everything they find."

Kommentar von 46951

This is deffinatly their way to try to control the overflock of cash that's likely gonna happen. From here, to S4, to WotLK people are pretty much gonna be stockpiling their money and doing dailies with nothing to spend on. This like someone already stated will keep the market down. I do however think the price is rediculous, but I can deffinatly see why Blizzard did this.

Also, in WotLK, without a doubt, they will be implimenting 22 slot bags much like the 18 slot bags that we have now. I'd imagine that 24 slots will be the new "bottomless/ony bag" 18 slot or "Primal mooncloth" 20 slot bag of BC.

Kommentar von 118118

Actually, there are many many more factors that have to be stored:

The ID of the character who owns the item, which can be upwards of 1 digits (Example) - Look at the URL
Charges.
Random properties (like "Of the Wolf" or "Of the Monkey").
Durability.
What bag slot the item is in.
The "<Created by ...>" tag. (Which is probably a character ID too)
The enchants and gems, as mentioned before.
The text for saved letters most likely has to be stored there too.

Kommentar von 43040

I don't know why you just don't look at the cost of this bag (or any other bag for that matter) as Gold Per Slot.

It's about 55g50s per slot for this bag. That equates to nothing in a days farming, instance running, dailies, etc. Especially when comparing it to the EASE of ATTAINMENT. <<No Spec Cooldowns, etc. Its about 35g/slot more than the current 20 slot bags.

At level 70 you can make 5 times that amount in a couple of minutes. So even with the conspiracy theories of 'blizzard money sink holes', 'database storage', or 'server lockup' (none of which pertain to this comment section) the price of the bag is very affordable to everyone except the lazy.

<rant>Playing wow I have come to realize that the only true 'poor' wow players with no money are the lazy-give me everything free-will raid for easy epics-low people. You know: the ones that have green gear and want to be invited to Kara badge runs on Friday, so that they can do 40 minute Gruul and Mag Saturday and then want runs in SSC / TK on Sunday. Always under geared in an over geared group. Always asking for Buff Food and Mage Tables, while you hope to god that they don't find out you're an alchemist or enchanter. They never have repair money and ALWAYS leave group on first wipe. Yet first to mention how epic they are? You know who I'm talking about. The lurk in every server. </rant>

In any case. An extra 35g per bag slot is not in any way shape or form expensive since Gold Grows On Mobs. And if they don't have gold: Trash Sells for Silver. Either way: You can earn more gold in a day for these bags by grinding, farming, questing, etc. than you will notice so long as you DO something to EARN IT.

The only Real change that any bag comments should address is: When the hell are we going to change out that freaking 16 slot Backpack?

Kommentar von 165220

It's BoE so that people can replace their alts' bags, their lv 1 bank toons' bags, etc....

Kommentar von 160970

This bag will rock.You can get a bunch in a week if you have 6 level 70's as i do.I do the dailies on all of them and get around 700-900gold(depending on green/trash/if i die ofc).Will be well worth the money imo!

Kommentar von 166822

I'm not sure that Blizzard would have to upgrade their servers at all. Last summer there was a PTR available just before ZA opened. It gave the option to load premade toons that came with all possible gear sets. Like for a warrior you got a prot set and two dps sets of gear. On these toons were full (4x) 36 slot bags. Foror's Crate of Endless Resist Gear Storage So it wouldn't be too much of a strain to go up to 22 or even 36 slot bags since they are already programmed in.

Kommentar von 166940

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'll probably wait until WotLK and then buy the much cheaper version of these bags from a tailor. 1200 gold for a bag (and considering that I currently have 4x 20 slot bags so it wouldn't be much of an improvement) is just sick. -.-

Kommentar von 1925

Most values (ids included) in WoW are 4 byte integers. What values one would ever need to describe a bag slot content?

item id
quantity (if it stacks)
charges (if it's of limited use)
durability (if it breaks)
3 gem ids (if it has sockets)
enchant id (if it's enchantable)
enhancement id (if it's a weapon)
timemark (if it expires)

Let's assume all of these values are always stored no matter what kind of item it is. 10 values = 40 bytes, let's round it up to 64 in case there are other values involved.

For the most populated server (34k chars) it's only a bit more than 2mb. Even with storage overhead, unnoticed bank chars and those of frozen accounts, etc, it can't be much larger than an average mp3.

So no, it's not about technical limitations.

Kommentar von Smilomaniac

I speak for most druids, when I say, that this is one needed bag.

As a feral druid, who not only has the 3 tiers, old tiers, resistance gear and the multiple tanking sets...
I'm also a pet and mount collector, as well as costume gear...

My bank which has 4 20 slot bags and 3 18 slots, is filled to the brim with soulbound items. My 4x20 slots on my character, have 8 slots left for drops...

I need these bags.

Kommentar von 139755

Big bag, big bag, booga booga booga booga big bag...

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Kommentar von 167444

The "Gigantique" Bag is the largest bag in game that can be used by a player. It is assumed that it will become available when patch 2.4.3 hits the live servers, however this is not written in stone. ex: there was a lot of people hyped up when they thought that riding crops would become enchants, this never made it to the live servers. At the price they are currently asking for the "Gigantique" Bag it is the largest money sink left in the game pre wotlk.
If you are trying to farm for this bag, i would recommend doing all your sunwell dailies every day for a week and a half to buy one.

Kommentar von 145977

First of all cats need more than one slot
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But thats besides the fact

More bags ultimately mean more grinding and I dont give a crap about grinding.

Sets really shouldn't be a problem in terms of bag space. Take the sets you need and leave the ones you dont in the bank.

Yes, I agree that two slots is a nice change but for so expensive a price I would stick with the 20s until your first kill in Northrend drops a 24s. Donate the 1.2k to the guild bank they could use it more =].

But if you are severly mentally challenged then get this bag if you have the money but two slots make a difference just not a big enough one to spend so much on.

Kommentar von 162477

it seems like an aswome bag but to think if its going to cost alot of money :(

Kommentar von Tribunal

Maybe Blizzard is trying to deflate the economy, but I don't see it.

I know players out there who have more personal riches than a Tier 6 server best raiding guild worth hundreds of thousands.

If so, 3-4 thousand is a drop in the bucket for them.

Some players are going to enter Wrath with lots and lots of money, no matter what.

I think this is more just to give an alternative to Primal Mooncloth, and the fact that it's a nice money sink is just a nice bonus.

But that's just my opinion.

Kommentar von 7675

The thing that really gets me about all these new bags is that while they keep increasing space, there is no increase in the need for space. Not only that, but as sizes increase, 2 extra slots is less and less of an improvement over the previous bags.

Kommentar von 91669

No no no, you guys are looking at it all the wrong way, Haris Pilton (Paris Hilton) sells a gigantique bag, it's like all the rich girls who walk around with Louis Vuitton bags
is it worth it to buy a bag for $1200.

Wow money is not real money, so go for broke ^^

Kommentar von 113456

This is, sorry to say, a poor idea.
People will only buy these so they can say "I have an Epic bag!"
Its a show-off item. Nothing more.
Yes, I have the SSO title, I'm working on Rep for the CE Mount, I have 3 different Netherdrakes and 2 different Windriders and I still have just under 8000g, but buying a bag for 1200g? For 2 extra slots? Not mention the waste of the 370g I spent on the bag I will be replacing.

I have 4 PMC 20-slot bags. I will not be buying this/these.
Complete waste of money for 2 Extra slots(for one bag) or 8 slots if your silly enough to upgrade all 4.

Although tbh, if it was a 24-slot bag...I'd buy 4. But Im sorry, 8 extra slots doesn't wing it for me.

Phew!
Rant over. Enjoy your bag(s) everyone.

:Edit: Spelling/This got a Negative rating? Lol? Someone must really like this item.

Kommentar von 138584

In so far as size limitations on bags.. my guess would be if any exist it is how the bag fields are coded in the database. OOPS... wrong/poor field type used, you now only have 128 characters to define the object and all sub components.... more than the actual database size limitations.

Kommentar von 159774

I can see some people wasting gold on buying this bag and trying to sell it on the Auction House to clueless people. This may die down over time; but when patch 2.4.3 heads out to retail versions I'd say expect this; it happened in the past to new items to vendors that people were curious about.

Kommentar von 68650

Why pay 1200g for 2 slots more? just do Magisters Terrace for
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=35516 drop pretty regularly for me...seen 6 drop in last 2 runs...Drops in Reg MgT and think a little more often in Heroic off random trash mobs

Kommentar von 118509

This bag is the largest container in the whole game.(Well at least non-specific ones ex: enchanting bags) It is sold by Haris Pilton in Shattrath City(World's End Tavern) for 1200 gold. I think while it does have a lot of room that price is way to high. It has 22 slots and is BoE. Haris also sells three rings and one head piece. They are all very useless unless you want one for your bank or just to look good. :)

Kommentar von 117629

I am having a problem buying this... I go over to Haris Pilton in the tavern but she offers no dialogue and no "vendor" page :< so I can't buy the bag?
Did they disable her or take her outta service? :<

Kommentar von Shorlin

22 slot bags will probably be the first grade of tailor made bags in Wotlk, so I will be saving my money on this one for something worthwhile in Wotlk like leveling inscription. My main could use the bag space now though.

Kommentar von 166026

Binds when Equiped! So give to a girl you really like! =D

Kommentar von 146819

Hopefully Blizzard will make bigger Tailored bags in WotLK. It's kind of ridiculous that the biggest bags of all can only hold one type of item.

Personally, I don't want to have to waste my money on the biggest bag I can find when I can just get bags from a Tailoring character I have for the cost of 8 slots. Least of all when it's an over-priced bag that has to be bought from an NPC named after a real-world celebrity.

Kommentar von 173945

Market prices for number of bag slot vs cost in gold fits a cubic curve quite well, and while one never likes to extrapolate, according to the current market a 24 slot bag will cost ~2600g, a 26 will cost ~4800g, and a 28 slot will cost upwards of 8000g. Quite honestly, that's pretty insane ... Blizzard has said that it doesn't plan to expand bag space that much because they are actually having storage issues, but won't they use up more storage if more and more people start making bank alts?

Kommentar von 49112

Personally when I pickup a bigger bag it means I can swap out a smaller bag from my bank, which is at the moment on my main full of 18 slots. So swapping out a 20 slot for a 22 on toon and therefore a 18 for a 20 in bank gains me 4 bag slots. I won't craft myself 20 slot bags for the bank but I will use hand me downs :)

With a Tattered Hexcloth bag available to your alts from ZA just by walking into a cleared instance, Sun Touched Sachel from mgt as a random drop and the possibility of a Pit Lord Satchel from maggy the chances are you already have at least one. Not to mention the Primal mooncloth which costs ~400g on my server

Sure 22 and possibly 24 slot bags will be probably be availible in wrath but hey they might introduce an extra slot, stranger things have happened

Kommentar von 173988

I have a bank alt that has a guild and four purchased tabs. Also, my main has 9 PMC bags. For me to upgrade all 9 bags it would cost 13,200g for a gain of 18 slots, just not worth it. Moreover, the thing nobody's mentioned here is that any bags with the total number of slots not divisible by 4, leaves a bag with an incomplete row. Having crafted and bought Bottomless Bags, or other "odd numbered bags" (I'll call them) -- there are two downsides: 1) You tend to overlook the rows with just two slots - things often 'disappear' in those slots, and 2) The effect of those two-row slots is that they auto fit your screen and reduce the overall size of each slot. A bag upgrade with a full 4 rows is worthwhile and worth the visual overhead (shrinkage). A bag upgrade for a two slot gain is just not worth the visual overhead.

The only reason I'd invest in these would be if I had a heavily-played alt or new main that didn't already have PMC bags. Even then, it'd be a tough call.

Kommentar von 152306

"Gigantique" is perhaps used due to its French-sounding last syllable and the spelling of that syllable (ex. chromatique, musique). It is apparently an inaccurate French translation of "gigantic" (which accurately is "gigantesque").

PARIS, France has quite a powerful position in the world of fashion. One could imagine a fashionable bag to be very expensive. Note that this bag costs a lot of gold.

This fact, combined with the argument that PARIS Hilton (the vendor's name is HARIS Pilton) has an exceptionally fashionable and high-end lifestyle, could lead one to a greater understanding of the name and price of the item.

-Matsim

Kommentar von 78468

Personnally I'm not going to buy those. The only char I have relative bag space problems on is my raiding character. I use it however few hours a day to fool around in Sunwell and then swap to various alts.

Also, I'm almost 100% certain we'll get a 22 slotter at the very start of WotLK. Thing like Imbued Netherweave Bag now (or even Primal Mooncloth Bag), even though Blizzard stated they won't be increasing bag space -much- more.

So no, it's not a money issue, gold is very easy these days. I simply don't think I'll need a bag space increase before WotLK (not to mention I'm considering rerolling).

Then again, it's a good call by Blizzard (and having "epic" bags is really tempting, too ;p)

Kommentar von 145116

since bags cannot be seen neither looking at nor inspecting a character, this time one cannot say this money sink is for people that want just to show off (as those who threw away 1000g to have that stupid label in front of their name!).
1200g can be done in a single day of good work today and 22 bag space is really worth it.

Kommentar von 165068

If you carry 20-slotters and use something else like 18's in your bank, not only are you getting 8 more slots to carry, but you also get 8 more slots in your bank when you move your 20's into it.

Extra incentive to get them imo.

Kommentar von Cr00xY

Discoussion about money and cost effectiveness of this bag is just useless couse if u cant earn money in this game (especially now when there are tons of dailys) then u should play some other game.

I would like to know if she is gonna sell unlimited or limited (when they spawn and such) number of those bags?

Kommentar von 110353

This is putting Mooncloth tailors a little out of business on certain realms.

Mooncloth bags on a lot of realms seem to got for around this price and even higher at times.

Sorry tailors, no Blizzard love for you.

This makes this bag the most dominant one on the market now. 16/18 slotters are quite cheap but, at the same time, they're not as big as a 22 slotter. Primal mooncloth bags are out by far now. Not only do they take an arguably silly amount of time to acquire the reagents if you're making them by yourself, but it also costs a lot of money if you were to buy them from anywhere else.
The cooldown on mooncloth isn't much help either.

Kommentar von 92493

Also note it does not say unique-equipped on the infomation, which means you can have as many as you want (afford :p)

Kommentar von 175306

I so wanna see a twink with 4 of these beauties.

Kommentar von 175895

At the hefty price of 54g 55s a slot (1200/22) I would not recommend buying these unless you are in dire need of bag space. On my server the 18 slot (imbued netherweve bag) are going for 40g-50g each (2g 50s a slot), a much better choice for those who are still saving for and epic mount, gems, enchants, etc.

However, on the other hand if you already have your epic mount, gems, enchants, etc. and you don't know what to do with your gold this is always an option.

Kommentar von 31738

I'd add

meta gem slot
has proc?/proc id

there would probably also be a maximum durability setting, but with some minor data trickery (i.e. storing it as 4 byte hex, give 256/256 durability -- might be less due to values like indestructible or some such) the number could be encoded into a single durability value. whoops. i guess this item throws out max 256 durability http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=34349 :D

With other compression schemes, Blizzard can reduce their object structure size by a lot.

Most likely, the item wouldn't need to care where it was in the Bag, that'd be a function or structure of the Character data.

things like the specific proc, gem bonuses and stats would be stored in lookup tables.

Kommentar von MAVC

People are actually trying to sell these bags in the AH for 1300 to 1500 gold. Don't be a victim. These are sold for 1200 gold in Shattrath. Just a heads up to everyone.

Kommentar von 177839

i don't like this bag coz it kills all my business i sell 20slot bags but ppl will just buy this ones for sure

Kommentar von 66755

I would never ever buy such a bag. Sure, totally it's 24 more slots, but I never ever run out of bag space and 1200g is spend much better elsewhere.

Kommentar von grimnos

This has its own Achievement in WotLK

Kommentar von 166878

the real question is what is WotLK lv 71+ gear gonna be like.

If lv 71 blues are gonna make lv 70 purples look weak you are gonna need a bunch of bag space for the grind up to 80.

Kommentar von 166878

I have a great idea for a money sink that would deflate economy by eating some of the excess cash floating around.

Make a shirt and a tabard that have a tiny amount of armour value and are BOE, and vendor items in outland, no minimum level, and absurdly expensive.

All the 70s making 19/29 twink Alts will buy one for their alt. Since shirts and tabards can't be chanted they can't be made absurdly powerful.

ALOT of excess cash could be eaten up by it.

Kommentar von wrongwayassassin

This is the first buyable bag in the game to be of epic quality. It is also the first 22-slot bag.

It is the third bag in the game to be of epic quality, the others being the Core Felcloth Bag and Pit Lord's Satchel.

Source - Wowwiki

Kommentar von 201030

This bag is part of her line which also includes her perfume, "Skanque."

Kommentar von Eihrister

Let's put things in perspective shall we?

Before the Burning Crusade came out, 18-slot bags, were, as stated above, the premium bag type. But those Bottomless Bags would set you back about 500g. Epic land mounts would cost you, whithout the discount, 1000g. That's 50% of the money needed for the highest available mount (a good indicator to use for this matter).

After the Burning Crusade came out, 22-slot bags, are now, as stated above, the premium bag type. They cost 1200g while the final mount sets you back 5200g.

Sure, they might seem expensive, but we've had this "omg, $x amount of gold for 2-slots upgrade is way too expensive!" ages before the Burning Crusade even came out.

1200g will be peanuts in Wrath of the Lich King when you hit level 80. Most likely relatively seen as much as you now buy 20-slot bags for. Yes, we will have 24-slot bags in the next expansion, if only to be used as the next money sink. Does that mean you will replace these bags soon? Maybe not, if you buy just 4 to have on you, you can just stuff them in the bank when you get 24-slot ones.

As a tanking paladin, I also carry my healing set around, and tanking items for different ocassions.. spending 4800g for 8 slots seems very tempting (I have all 20's at the moment, and pretty much always full).

Kommentar von Enaer

I run a personal profile system for our guild, so that people can easilly access what people have as per spec (say a pally has a main spec Prot, but also has a Holy set, the people setting up a raid/group can see what X pally has for a healing set instead of having him list it in chat) This includes (of the user fills them out) All slots worn, all bags, and bank slots, to a maximum of 34 slots per bag (I do this because I have no idea how large the biggest bag or profession bag will be in Wrath, because they may add larger bags later on)

The entire item DB takes 14.82MB
The entire profile system take (per character) 102KB regardless of empty or filled slots

I do this, by storing it in separate tables

Items - Holds item information like: {14.82MB}
ItemID
Icon
Item Name
and so on

Characters - Holds character info like: {40KB}

Race/Class/Level
Talent Information
Equipped Item IDs
and so on

Storage - Holds character information on Bags and Bank slots (optionally filled out) {62KB}

Kommentar von 95024

for hybrid classes, anyone who farms regularly, crafts or carries excess consumables, extra slots are definitely worth it.

Kommentar von 5688

I'm getting one, just one. The justification is all the extra moolah I'm making from mass dailies, the achievement, and the fact that I am upgrading my 18s, not my 20s. I even have 16s in the bank so the 18 will upgrade a 16, a next gain of 6 slots. Heck yeah! I wouldn't line my bank with these things though, in the xpac you're gonna wind up vendoring them.

Kommentar von 169856

As a Warlock that farms a lot, I usually carry two 20-slot quest-reward bags and an 18-slot bag along with my soul shard bag. Purchasing three of the Gigantiques nets me eight slots personally plus four slots in the bank after the 20-spacers are moved over. Net gain is twelve slots.

If I ever upgrade to 24's in WotLK, these can get moved into the bank for another twelve slots. The Gigantiques will probably last longer than almost any other piece of gear I'll ever have.

Kommentar von weezel

i suspect the exploit for getting this achievement without spending any money on the bag will get quickly fixed!

Kommentar von Lostgirl

HELP! Can someone PLEEEEEASE confirm that this is a 22 slot bag? That kitchen sink must be taking up at least one slot...

Kommentar von 69867

hmm Its worthless, complete waste of money, purpose, sense, space and attention. At least it sells good bags though.

Kommentar von 247409

Big bag for epic adventurers!

Kommentar von psyensou

I was very sceptic to buying these b4 LK, but now it's my best option. The glacial bags http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41600 aren't worth the time investment in levelling my ex-main nor that rep as it is right now. Don't get me wrong, i was semi-hardcore in BC, but now that i'm casual and enjoying myself to the max. I only go for what i feel like and i'll choose the most efficient ways with higher accuracy than before, cause i get more time to think now. I have a tendency to rush things if i don't. Since i went casual i've earned 15k gold net profit. Going casual basically meant getting into other parts of the game than raiding. AH is a great mini-game, There are alotta useful blogs out there and it's fun.

My most useful tip to players is this, do what you feel like and don't mind the rest, BUT if you can't put in the work that's required to get what you want, don't complain! That's a guideline for life as well.

Have fun and merry Christmas!

Kommentar von 295848

but why buy if you can make it?

Kommentar von 237221

Some of you might find this interesting. I bought the bag, and immediately got the achievement. The bag says BOE... and the achievement says that you have to Equip the bag to receive the achievement. However, I even traded the bag to a few guildmates, and friends, and they did not equip the bag and also received the achievement.

The bag is currently in the AH for 1200g.

Kommentar von richardmontes714

Now in Wotlk this now sells for 1199g

Kommentar von joequincy

The game cannot afford to let your client keep a mirror of your backpack storage, as this would open the door to very destructive exploits, so every time you open your bag, or every time you do an action in the game that requires an item, your client must contact the server (the player item server?) to get this information.

Sort of. When you first load your character, the client retrieves the contents of your bags. When you first (in a play session) open your bank, the client retrieves its contents. After that initial retrieval, however, the client saves a copy of the data, and further queries are only made on interactions such as looting a node/treasure/corpse, purchasing from or selling to a vendor, mailing/trading between characters or the AH, or making transactions at the bank.

The client, however, is not the deciding factor on what a character owns (to prevent exploits, as you already mentioned). Instead, the local data is merely a reference copy to allow the user to browse their items without having to make too many queries. For a live demo, find a rare item like the Reins of the Time-Lost Proto-Drake, and use the in-game link provided by WowHead. The client will take quite some time to retrieve the stats on the item, but after it has been cached locally, you will be able to view it instantly anytime later in the play session.

Kommentar von 20596

It doesn't say unique anymore.

Is this intended or it is just a missing tooltip? It seems I can equip more than one of these. Anyone that has done it already? I want a "Gigantique" Inventory, that's why I am asking.

Kommentar von Malvenue

Regardless of all the whining about the price here, the choice is very simple.

If you think it's too expensive, don't freakin' buy it.

But at least stop whining!

Kommentar von 352227

Brilliant haha

Kommentar von 361538

Haris Pilton...:D
What a name?

Could be like Sritney Bears
or Parry Hotter...ect

Kommentar von 359054

THIS will probaly the upgraded version, coming out in patch 3.3

I hope this will fit in the portable hole.

Kommentar von djmarder

Paris will soon be Selling 24-Slot bags with the release of 3.3. They only cost 3000g! w00t

Kommentar von 492636

Why would anybody pay this for bags? im still using the good ol' netherweave ones, and still will in cataclysm, u don't need that much space and 1k + gold is ridiculous, just empty ur bags already, who needs more allowance to fill themselves to the top with junk?

bags are bags there nothing special.. for way less than the price it'd cost u to buy 4 of these u could level engineering, get the jeeves recipe and have complete bank access ;)

and yes i understand its a gold sink, but people can't be that stupid they just have to have it cause its epic... surely?

Kommentar von Ramona

Biggest bag of all times: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23162
Too bad it was only on ptr T_T
So I don't think we're even near the physical limit, not even when having only Portable Holes.

Kommentar von chikawoka

wow are these bags that good?
i got one for 200gold
the rest of my bags are 20 slots

Kommentar von Rolphyle1

Do you need to equip "Gigantique" Bag To receive My Sack is "Gigantique"
Or u can just buy it ?

Kommentar von Punkface

Despite the price... Most people can manage for farm the amount of gold needed for this bad quite easily now. If you can farm the gold and you enjoy toting an epic bag, I'd still shoot for this, although the Glacial Bag has the same number or slots, it's not epic, nor does it give an Achievement.

I think it's still a smart buy, it's not a drastic amount of gold for these days in World of Warcraft, it's a rather large bag, and it awards an achievement. Still a good buy in my book.

Kommentar von lehearts

Must equip the bag for achievement.
Just buying it won't give it to you.

Kommentar von Zephinism

I just bought it for 450Gold off the AH and immediately checked wowhead to see if the price had dropped. Guess I got lucky.

Kommentar von 556334

I read this entire thread, after all the people on here dropping coments.... no one said where to get one or who sells it. Worthless thread.

Kommentar von Gvaz

How much is this to goblins?

Kommentar von Nabril

This bag is highly outdated now. There are several 22 slot bags available now and some are being sold for as little as 300 gold. The Embersilk bag is the cheapest of the 22 slot bags and is definitely worth the money.

Kommentar von xnihilo

I want a discount, this bag has been used before.

Kommentar von Aylana

Ain't as gigantic anymore.

Kommentar von Shabbat

Just dropped by her place as a goblin, and guess what? it was 1080g for me :O with Bartering guild perk!
Either they've made her ignore our best deals or i don't even know.

Kommentar von Westorz

"My Sack" is also gigantique xD

Kommentar von 999038

i had no problem spending 1200g for this bag. sometimes achievements come at a high cost.

Kommentar von albinoette

Sold by Haris Pilton. No associated faction. She can be found hanging out in the World's End Tavern in Shattrath (Outland) at 75.45 30.50.

Handtasche von Dolche & Giganta is a 22-slot bag for 1200g that grants the achievement Meine Tasche ist von "Dolche & Giganta" once equipped.

These are the rest of the items she sells:

Tragbares Loch is a 24-slot bag for 3000g.
- Not to impact Haris' business too severely, but there are 30-slot and 28-slot bags regularly selling under 900g on the AH, and a 32-slot will likely be introduced in Legion.
Elitäres Elementiumsiegel (unique, limited quantity, 2400g). Visible shine on right hand.
Ewiges elitäres Elementiumsiegel (Toy, 3500g). Limited quantity (1), respawn 10-15 minutes. Separate from Elitäres Elementiumsiegel. Visible shine on right hand.
Saphirring für den kleinen Finger (limited quantity, 600g). No visible effect.
Goldenes Eterniumband (limited quantity, BoE, 3000g). No visible effect.
Schwarzer Diamantring (unique-equipped, 3500g). Visible on right hand. Does not "stack" with lvl-85 quest reward Black Ice as of 6.2.3.
Ewiger schwarzer Diamantring (Toy, 5000g). Separate from Schwarzer Diamantring. Make sure you buy the ring you want.

Kommentar von Mypciscraze

You need to go to Shattrath fly to 'Pub' In Lower City See Haris Pilton and buy from Her Handtasche von Dolche & Giganta.

After you will equip Handtasche von Dolche & Giganta you will get done this Achi Meine Tasche ist von "Dolche & Giganta".

See My Video if need it - My Sack is "Gigantique" Video

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