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Kommentar von Baeda94

Die 3% Chance ist ein bischen unlogisch da ich das Rezept bei meiner ersten Kanope die ich wieder zusammensetzte bekam.

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Kommentar von Leronroll

Perhaps with these, we can travel to the city of the dead and resurrect ank-su-namun!

Imothep! IMOTHEP!

Kommentar von Lagundu

*Spoiler Alert*: It contains Mummified Organs which is a grey item that sells for ~~1 gold~~ 2 gold.

Kommentar von Aerensiniac

Cause naturally you would want to open it.
Right after you finished collecting shredder keys from felhound dung in the middle of hellfire peninsula.

Kommentar von 725164

It also can contain the Recipe: Vial of the Sands. Got it myself from this.

Kommentar von 493111

Be warned the recipe for the alchemy mount is not a guaranteed drop, i've completed 2 canopic jars thus far with no luck.

EDIT: gave up after 28 jars.

Kommentar von 125795

As with all archaology items, they should make this recipe BoA or the Jar BoA. I leveled Arch the instant cata came, was only 90skill behind realm first, since I had some connection issues in the start. I do not want to level Arch on another char, since it takes forever. And sadly, the one I have 525 arch on is not my Alchemist. : /

Kommentar von 406436

Not a 100% drop rate if you have 525 alchemy btw.

Didn't drop for me, just got the mummified organ.

/sigh

Kommentar von 493111

I've completed about 25 tol'vir artifacts now; three of the Canopic Jars and still nothing. Tho my giant stack of nearly 5000 nelf fragments that i have no further use for is something i suppose....

I dread getting tol'vir rares at this point.... so many fragments /wrist

Kommentar von 109740

"Sir, we found this recipe in the Emperor's belongings, it appears to brew a concoction that turns you into a dragon!"
"Well, just stick it in that jar with his liver, I have more important things to worry about!"

Doesn't exactly seem plausible does it?

Kommentar von GibbleFenwick

By Nazulu 5 days ago (Patch 4.0.3)
Sorry but you do have to be a Alch in order for a chance to recieve the recipe from the jar.

Please state your source for this information. Otherwise you're just guessing.

Kommentar von komtog

I had my first dig site pop in Uldum at 460 Archeology , though I read somewhere it could start as soon as 425.

But then do you need 525 Archeo for the project to be a canopic Jar, and will you get greys artifact before ?

thanks

Kommentar von Biaxident

The only requirements to find the recipe are:

Level 75
Archaeology 450
Alchemy (probably 1, but I've seen no reports yet from people with less than 450)

Kommentar von wixxed

Looting a keystone is exactly like looting 12 extra fragments. It doesn't matter what you use them on, or how many, and it's never a waste to use them.

Kommentar von kravin6552

Canopic Jar was my first Tol'Vir artifact (did not contain vial). I have now gone through 19 commons and 2 rares and have not seen another jar.

Kommentar von 211587

So I'm up to 7 Canopic Jars solved with no recipe. Since data updates on this page seem a little scarce and we have non-Alchemists submitting data I've decided to guess the drop rate.

What you can do to guess the drop rate at any given stage in your progress is to assume that no matter how many jars and other commons you've completed, there is a 50% chance you should have encountered the recipe and a 50% chance of the opposite. Once you assume this, simply put your number of attempts into this formula:

1 - .

I'm currently sitting at 7 jars complete, which means the drop rate (using my data alone) is 9.4%. Further attempts without success drive this down. Alternatively if we could isolate alchemist data from the rest of the wowhead data, we could map a distribution, with the peak being at the 50/50 cusp from my assumption above.

All of that considered, the comments about how many jars it took individual alchemists to get the recipe are valuable to anyone who might come back and look at this page for reference later - that is if enough players report how many jars it took them.

I plan on coming back to this page and letting other alch/arch fiends know what # jar I nabbed the recipe from. It may let them know whether it is worth their time or if they should simply seek out someone with the recipe and pay a slight premium.

Kommentar von 276211

8 Jars and counting.... Please for the love of all that is good in this world let me find one!

Kommentar von 736591

Is there any trick in getting more Tol'Vir Projects or is it just luck?
Reading somebody already got his 60th Tol'vir project, it seems that something like that takes a lot of time.

Kommentar von AngusMacBeer

When farming tol'vir fragments, I find it REALLY helps to have multiple teleports. I'm a rogue, so I don't have any class utilities like DK/Druid/Shammy/Mage, but there are other ways. If you're up in hyjal and an Uldum site pops, being able to use a kirin tor ring to get to dalaran and then porting to tanaris can save you 5 minutes of flying. Likewise if all of my southern sites go dead its time to hearth to stormwind or take a deepholm potion and use the portal there to get back. There's also a guild reward cloak which will port you to Stormwind on an 8-hour cooldown, which I use as my 'emergency' teleport.

Another tip I can give is common sense, but always go from one site to the next closest when it's done. Some people might want to farm specifically night elf or fossil fragments, but if you're after the jar you can't have any other priorities.

If you're creative in how you get around Kalimdor, you should be able to get at least 2 digsites in Uldum per hour.

Kommentar von 428699

By GibbleFenwick 9 days ago (Patch 4.0.3)
Please state your source for this information. Otherwise you're just guessing.

Ohai. If you look at the Recipe's page, you will see that it's SMART LOOT.

This means it is only available to people who HAVE THE PROFESSION and don't already have the skill. It's not rocket science. Really.

Kommentar von Ducetius

Yeah I'm starting to really dislike Archaeology as a whole. I know this is supposed to be a secondary profession that takes time to get items from, but the fact that Uldum digsites are such a pain to get, not to mention the number of common artifacts for that respective zone...make it frustrating. I've opened 4 Canopic Jars and still no recipe. I'm 525 alchemy and 525 Archaeology...just no luck whatsoever.

Kommentar von Kanegasi

I can confirm that alchemy is not even required to get this recipe. I have Engineering and Mining and the recipe dropped. I'm definitely not dumb enough to delete it and am seriously thinking about getting rid of Mining and leveling Alchemy just to learn it.

EDIT: Now that I think of it, why is this the only Arch epic not BoA? What if I had an Alchemy alt I didn't want to level Arch on? GJ Blizzard.

Kommentar von Prada

Yo dawg I herd you like RNG items so we put an RNG item in an RNG item so you can grind while you grind.

Kommentar von 743172

can more than one uldum digsite exist at a time or not? o.O

Kommentar von sinderborn

If you're just starting Archaeology, hoping to get this recipe, keep in mind that you will probably gain enough experience to go from 80 to 85 just from surveying...

happy hunting.

Common:

Kanope x2

Skarabäushalskette aus Speckstein x4
Skizze eines Wüstenpalastes x6
Winziges Oasenmosaik x1
Graviertes Krummsäbelheft x3
Sandburg x4
Katzenstatuette mit Smaragdaugen x1

Rares:

Anhänger des Skarabäussturms
Ring des Kindkaisers

Aprox. hours: 51
So far my hunting has not been very happy...

Kommentar von 754575

I have opened two Canopic Jars and so far have observed something very important:

If you have not completed the achievement: The Boy Who Would Be King, then it has a chance to give you one of the artifacts you have not recovered yet. This has been confirmed by a friend of mine.

So if you're looking for the Vial of the Sands recipe and don't have the achievement yet, it could be a good idea to wait until you get it before opening your jars.

Or, you could be impatient like me and open every jar the instant you get it, foaming at the mouth going "RAAAAAA VIAL VIAL VIAL VIAL... oh. Organ."

Kommentar von 754909

So happy! I got the recipe on my 4th jar. However I got all the other common Tolvir artifacts and Ring of the Boy Emperor before my first Canopic Jar. When I received my first jar I completed the The Boy Would Be King Achievement. After my first jar I got another jar straight after it with no success. Then I solved Pendant of the Scarab Storm. I got my 3rd jar straight after and then 4th jar finally containing it.

I opened all my jars as soon as I received them. I levelled my archeology in Eastern Kingdoms until 450 then move to Kalimdor. Set my heart to Uldum and for northern Kalimdor sites took the portal from SW to Mount Hyjal. Hope this helps.

Good hunting!

Kommentar von 465890

I suggest if you are not a alchemist, DO NOT OPEN THIS JAR!

Why, you might ask?

I have a feeling the Vial of Sands recipe might become BoE in a later patch, or maybe even BoA.

Atm, the mumified organs are really not worth it, so just store the jar for later

Kommentar von Cheshin

Okay. So I started the grind for this recipe. Jar number 15 has passed with no recipe yet, I just love how people go crazy after 4-5. I'd say it's much easier to just pay someone a fee to craft with your mats :-) Happy hunting all!

Kommentar von sonicboom510

Before hitting 525 on my Archeology, I had my first Tol'vir project accessible (Canopic Jar). I was also a 525 Alchemist at the time too. Shortly after hitting 525 on Archeology, I was able to complete my first Tol'vir project and Canopic Jar. Believe it or not, I was extremely happy to find out that the recipe was within the Canopic Jar.

Guildie flipped out because he has been farming the recipe for the past week like crazy. Casuals ftw!

Kommentar von 28355

If the recipe acts anything like the Weather Beaten Journal then the following may happen:
I have many toons with fishing and some with Find Fish - I really didn't need another with Find Fish.
I happened upon another Iron Bound Trunk on a toon that already had Find Fish.
- I wanted to test if opening the Iron Bound Trunk with the wrong toon would destroy the Weather Beaten Journal.
So I mailed the Trunk to a toon that didn't have Find Fish and opened the Trunk... to find that there was, in fact, the Weather Beaten Journal within (I even double checked). I did not loot the Journal or the subsequent other item that was also in the trunk and mailed it back to the original toon that already had Find Fish.
When I checked the box with the toon with Find Fish the Journal was obviously not there then mailed it back again to the toon without Find Fish.
Upon looking in the box the second time the Journal was no longer there. Proving that opening a Box with a Weather-beaten Journal within by a toon with Find Fish will destroy the Journal.

So, if you believe that the recipe may at some future date become BoA then you don't want to open the jar with a toon that doesn't have Alchemy.

Kommentar von shorpo

the contents of a container are fixed from the moment you recieve it

Do you have any source for this data?

Kommentar von elliottdehn

IT BEATS FARMING A SINGULAR MOB FOR A MONTH, EH?

Kommentar von Sindaga

1st jar, got a recipe.

The chance is just random.

Kommentar von thorismud

i m actualy still solving my fist jar but for some reason the tol'vir digsites seem to have dissapeared. i only get like one digsite every 2 hours. it used to be more.

does anyone have hints to get more tol'vir digsite spawns?

EDIT: solved it... no recipe

Kommentar von c0h3n

I have created a thread on the forums to collect the drop rate of Rezept: Phiole der Sande from Kanope for alchemists. Alchemists interested in contributing data can visit it here.

Kommentar von 148144

mistakes blizzard made:
a: canopic jar should have been boa and not bop.
b: tol'vir shouldn't share dig sites with the rest,
c: rare items should have been more fun and the lower than 85 armor pieces more usefull.

ok i accept that this is random. but why should i be forced to grind it with an alt and not with my main.
why should i have to grind everything right from the beggining to get mounts, pets, ach with my main?

Kommentar von 302162

I have now solved 28 Canopic Jars and still no recipe. I have now closed my account which will be expiring March 3rd. I have tunnel visioned this damn RNG/RNG/RNG so long that I have completely lost all interest in this game. For those who don't believe me I will post screens and totals once/if I get the recipe.

As of now I have over 20K NE frags and 12K Fossil, I have quit solving all artifacts except Tol'Vir

This is the worst grind I have ever experienced in any game. Normally I really enjoy this game, however it is now dead to me.

****edit****

Just got the recipe on my 33rd jar.

Screenshot with frags and number of jars completed.

Kommentar von 311584

Dig sites are popping up in Uldum very frequently with the new patch.

Kommentar von Maiqua

When I started farming this receipe I thought that I'd get a lot of jars but the receipe droprate would be low. So far I've gotten only one jar and it's killing me to think that even getting a jar is so frigging time consuming. And this is after 4.0.6 so Uldum sites aren't as rare as before!

I know that my torture has just begun, after all I've only completed 21 tol'vir artifacts. But can someone give me a little hope and tell me that Blizz swiched the droprates of the jar and the receipe around =____= otherwise I'll throw my mouse through the window the next time I get that damn sand castle...

Kommentar von NelleRavencrest

I just got 4 - yes FOUR Kanope's solves in a row O_O

As you can see on the screenshot I solved the 3 of them and on my way to the 4th (Not doing it until I have 2 Hieroglyphs):
http://i55.tinypic.com/jzinpw.jpg

And I'm not even an alchemist, I am so so so sorry for those of you out there farming for it day in and day out. I'm just hunting for the damned Szepter von Azj'Aqir :(

From now on I will be putting these in bank (without peeking into them first). Maybe they become non BoP or the Rezept: Phiole der Sande is turned into BoA or without any bind and also drops for non-alchemists at some patch in the future. Just wonder if the drop inside them is decided once they are solved/created or when the container is opened. In any case the items might just be invisible for non-alchemists with an option of turning them visible in the database somehow in a patch.

Anyway, got nothing to loose by saving them for a few patches other than a bit of bank-space.

EDIT: I'm MAJOR bugged, I've gotten Kanope 6 (SIX) times in a ROW now .............
The mathematic chance for this should be 1 in ~ 117.646 (There is 7 Tol'vir commons, so 7x7x7x7x7x7, this is without calculating in the chance of getting the rare ones, also Kanope might have even lower chance of beeing your solve, making the chance of this happening even less) and I've made a ticket to find out of something fishy is going on after this mornings hotfix. I have Tol'vir fragments to do 2 more solves. But really don't feel like testing if I'm still stuck at the Jar since im actually farming for the scepter. But if I get one more after this one it would bring it up to close to one in a million chance.

If some of you are hunting Rezept: Phiole der Sande you might wanna press on today and see if you can get a Kanope and get "stuck" on it just like me !

Kommentar von 784549

Fun Facts:

1) I got the vial of sands recipe on my first jar.
2) I got the jar as my 4th Tol'vir artifact.
3) I was at 517 Alchemy
4) This was my 4th rare
5) * *I waited until i had 2 Tol'vir runes or whatever they are before i made the jar* *

Kommentar von helmates

I am not finding more frequent Tol'vir sites in the new patch at all. I get patches of Tol'vir dig sites (say, 2-4 at a time), but still way too many Night Elf dig sites for my liking (say, 6 or more after my 2-4 Tol'vir sites).

There is still much work to be done to make Archaeology fun and worthwhile. Granted the increases in gold value of the greys has helped, but I only consider that to be the start of a long journey.

Kommentar von kabookiejoe

i don't see the point of having this item appear if your not an alchemist, should have a chance to drop all rare patterns for profs.

Kommentar von 797381

oh yes, i sooo wanna toss my pc accross the floor, pity i use it for wow

too much time spent on this

Kommentar von bigwill1685

16 tol'vir things completed and only 2 jars is that really common? i've had 3 sand castles in a row

Kommentar von Maiqua

So far I've opened 10 jars with no luck. I've farmed tol'vir archaeology a little less than a month now with 76 artifacts. There are times when it takes days for a jar to proc and it's driving me crazy. For example my first jar was probably 4th artifact but it wasn't until 36th that I got the second one! And right now the Uldum digsites have abandoned me.

I've never really understood why people whined that the archaeology killed their interest to play but now I'm starting to realize how they are feeling. I'm at the point where quitting is not an option, I have all the mats and I've wasted too many hours. Not only is the grinding damn boring but also the world has lost the last bit of it's magic. I'm just flying around blindly in the world I used to love, now it's just filled with annoying useless digsites and calculations of how long I have to fly to get to the next place.

I'm not against RNG. It's just that the disappointments in this grind are far more painful since the digsites are so rare, artifacts all hog 45 fragments, getting a jar takes so long and most likely you won't even get the recipe. The least Blizz could do is to let you specialize in one race and those digsites would have like four digs instead of the usual three.

Kommentar von 417054

For any of those hunting for the Vial of the Sands: Learning this mount will now be its own achievement as of PTR 4.1 (subject to change)! 10 points.

Vial of the Sands - Learn how to transform into a dragon and carry an ally.

Source: MMO Champ Vial of the Sands

Kommentar von 578617

Why is this and the Vial of Sands BoP? For the time and effort spent in finding this thing (if you're not Alch) I'd like to trade it to someone that has the required level - for the finished product... Is that to much to ask?

Kommentar von qitty

people got no patience nowdays...
it is a rare reciepe live with it!

Kommentar von 581981

Total artifacts:
Dwarf: 32
Draenei: 5
Fossil: 190
Night Elf: 520
Orc: 4
Tol'vir: 140
Troll: 113
Vrykul: 1
Grand Total: 1005

Just thought I'd share my pain.. of those 140 Tol'vir artifacts, there are 20 canopic jars, I am currently working on the Scimitar, which is the last rare artifact for me, still no recipe..

Kommentar von 773237

Aged Yolk all over again.

Kommentar von 816137

Where do we go to farm this? And for it to drop is the level of Archaeology required to be 525?

Kommentar von 822468

I've read many of horror stories about obtaining Vial of the Sands recipe via these Canopic Jars. Well, I have now opened 15 jars, with nothing but stinkin' Mummified Organs in each one. The only reason I picked it up is for this recipe. I have completed every rare Night Elf, Troll, Dwarf, and Fossil artifact. I have all but 2 Tol'Vir artifacts completed. Fifteen jars, no recipe.....I don't think it exists. Lol. I have completed over 500 artifacts now in total....all in efforts to get this. Someone give me a pick-me-up, because I am contemplated giving this up.

Kommentar von philcolwill

As long as you don't open the jar, you can use Schrödinger's Cat principle to work out the likelyhood.

(|Its in there !] + | Its not in there :( ]) /√2

So before you open the jar you can be safe in the knowledge that the Vial of the sands is definately in the Jar.. (and definately not)

its only upon opening the Jar that you discover its not, but thats because your opening of the jar changed the outcome.

All I can say is : Thank god I am not an alchemist.. (or a quantum physicist for that matter).

Kommentar von Moonflower

Blizz patched in something that makes whatever races you completed less likely to pop, right? If this is the case, once you get every tol'vir common and rare, you wont be able to get any more tolvir frags. How can this be considering that the recipe is a bit of a grind?

Kommentar von 773540

Looting a keystone is exactly like looting 12 extra fragments. It doesn't matter what you use them on, or how many, and it's never a waste to use them.

Yes - I have quickly learned to not only use the keystones whenever there's the option to, but also to wait to use them - if there's an available slot and I don't have any keystones, I keep digging until I find one, and then create artifacts.

I would MUCH rather dig less if I can. This is a boring profession. :)

Kommentar von 502129

Tol'vir artifacts can not be found till maxed at 525

Kommentar von 293433

yeah, but the purpose of WoW is to entertain yourself.

Kommentar von 594000

Can a non alchemist get the jar and give it to an alchemist and have the recipie?

Kommentar von Runeweaver

You can find them 450+

Kommentar von Runeweaver

No, the jar is BoP aswell as the recipe.
Edit: This was in reply to someone who asked if they could trade the jar away to an alt to receive the recipe.

Kommentar von 833916

Canopic Jar, I hate you. 3 rares, 87 common (10 jars) and nothing. On the plus side, I am now Cinarawr, The Camel-Hoarder after spotting a camel figurine and getting that mount on the first try. Gotta love how RNG works.

Kommentar von eppon

I might be one of the unluckiest people ever with the RNG of this item.
On my hunter alt, my alchemist, I am trying to get this pattern. I have been trying to for quite a long time. Skilled his Archaeology to full just for that purpose.
So far I have made from Tol'vir alone:
2 rares:
Pendant of the Scarab Storm
Ring of the Boy Emperor
41 commons:
2 Engraved Scimitar Hilt
8 Soapstone Scarab Necklace
9 Castle of Sand
8 Cat Statue with Emerald Eyes.
7 Sketch of a Desert Palace
6 Tiny Oasis Mosaic
1 Canopic Jar.

A single canopic jar within 40+ Tol'vir projects. I have not used keystones because Tol'vir keystones sell for a boatload of gold on my server's AH.

Ironically, on my main without Alchemy, out of 18 Tol'vir common projects I made 6 were Canopic Jars.
RNG on Archaeology overall is terrible.

Kommentar von 543619

I have made myself a little fort out of the Canopic Jars, and throw the innumerous Mummified Organs at people I do not like.

"Peers out of Fort Canopic"

Im king in here!

Kommentar von 522495

16 of these suckers and still no recipe. All up, i have completed 106 tol'vir artifacts, and all but 1 rare :(...... blizzard hates me in a bad bad way.

Kommentar von 839920

Do you need a certain alchemy level to see the recipe? Or can you have JUST you arch level the necessary amount and defragment a jar? Say you had 515 arch, can you get the jar AND the recipe if you have say 70 alchemy?

Kommentar von KennyCommenter

I am hunting for this as well, I leveled my Druid straight to 85 from launch, by only doing Archaeology, needless to say, i was among the first for my server at the time, since most worked to 85 first, but at launch the XP from digsites were broken. One artifact find equaled one level-appropriate Quest XP. I've set up a system that works well for me with archaeology, only because I have seen little feedback on others. I sweep down Kalimdor, doing all the NE, Troll, and Fossil digs, until all possible Digsites are in Uldum. I've been lucky enough to start hitting Uldum, and by the time I reach the last one, the previous one respawned in another part of Uldum. That being said, I've only finished one Canopic Jar... which of course, did not hold the prize I've been seeking. I will have it some day. I'm also curious to see what others have been doing to be able to hit Uldum quickest. Is it just more time spent doing Archaeology overall, or is there some secret I'm unaware of?

Kommentar von markitoantonio

I got in the 3th Canopic Jar

Kommentar von 859185

Arch is blizz's way of eating up time cards. sugarcoat it all you want, its about money

Kommentar von Metazare

I found my Vial of sands recipe in my 8th Canopic jar. 52 solves overall in tol'vir. Just keep digging. You will find it :D

Kommentar von 657097

Wait ... wut?

Kommentar von 883957

I found it amusing the text for the archeology reads... "This jar contains the petrified organs of Emperor Ninjter. He apparently died only a few years into what was hoped would be a glorious reign."

Obviously a pun off all of us wanting the reigns to drop from it.

Kommentar von 742139

Alright...so I just finished my 12th canopic jar, still no vial recipe. I'm sure I'll eventually get it, but man this is time-consuming. I have 525 Alchemy and 525 Archy. Happy farming and hope you guys are luckier, but be aware that these jars are not guarantees that you will get the recipe. It is bop so make sure you are farming it on an Alchemist. I'll update if I get the recipe.

Edit: still no recipe, I've completed 15 jars now.

Kommentar von 848742

I'll update if I get the recipe.

Don't forget to include your data in this survey.

Kommentar von 898903

I find my first jar and was so excited to open it up. But it only contained junk. I was so disappointed that I stopped doing archeaology for more than a month.

Then one day I decided to give it another try. I found my 2nd jar and, not expecting to get anything, I left the jar in my bag for several hours while I was farming herbs. Finally I opened the jar and I got the recipe!

Amazing !

So, don't give up hope. It can even drop in the 2nd jar (or maybe it might take a bit longer . . .)

And now it's made me rich. I've made at least 75,000 gp in just two and a half weeks.

Kommentar von 717426

So i've made a nice little spreadsheet, easy to read (ty google docs). The toon that is the archaeologist/Alchemist has only ever dug in Kalimdor and hurry's back to Uldum anytime a dig site becomes active.
It shows all the drop rates, gold made, spawns.. etc. so if you're really serious about farming for the stupid Vial recipe like i am... this is what you're in for.

docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtBgxyO93uIqdFVQcGwtZVNyOEN6aUZFRnlwSFdNYlE

Kommentar von 385682

Trying to get the recipe. 23% of Kalamdor spawns are Tolvir. I can probably dig a site and get to a new one in 5 minutes (avg). That means that about every 20 minutes I should have 1 Tolvir dig. That gets me about 13 fragments (avg) per 20 minutes. 6 rares @ 150 frags and 8 commons at 45 frags is an avg of 82 frags per solve in Tolvir. So that's an avg of 6 hours running around digging per solve (higher for rares and lower for commons of course). Given there are 14 artefacts, there is a 7% (ish) chance of working on a jar "next time" per solve (i realize this rate varies as you solve rares assuming rares do no spawn > 1 time). let say each Jar has a 5% chance at the recipe ( i think i saw 3% here but it already bad so...). That is then 0.35% chance of a recipe per "solve". That's 285 solves (on average) to get recipe or 1714 hours or 71 days. Lol, maybe I am wrong. Freaking crazy.

Kommentar von 385682

It will take an average of approximately 200 hours of digging, solving and flying around to get the Vial of the Sands recipe if you are already able to dig in Tolvir and if my model is correct/close. Have a peek.

So my above post isn't so great because rare fragments are not repeated apparently. Here's a better model maybe. My parameters are:
1) time to dig up a site and move to another site = 5 minutes ( I am a druid with 310% flying and am pretty mobile as you know)
2) average fragments looted from a digsite = 13 fragments
3) percent chane a digsite will spawn in Tolvir = 25% ( http://wowdigsite.com/digsites/race-distribution/ )
4) I also assume that once you have solved the rares, you dont have to solve them again.
5) there are fourteen artefacts that have an equal probablity of being your next solve for the first "round". A round is where you solve all the artefacts in the set.
6) there are eight artefacts that have an equal probability of being you next solve after the first "round". ie subsequent rounds you dont need to solve the rares again.
7) the probability of getting the recipe in any given canopic jar is 5% (maybe high - who knows)

So, using this data the fist thing to note is that, on average, we will need to solve 20 jars to get our recipe 1/.05. Now to find out how much it takes to get a jar on average. First, to get a digsite spawn in Tolvir is 25% chance. It takes 5 minutes for me to dig up a site so that means that on average it will take 20 minutes for me to get 13 fragments from tolvir (5/.25) or 39 fragments per hour.

In round 1 where we need to solve the rare we have a total of (45*8) + (150*6) = 1260 fragements to complete the round.
In all subsequent rounds we need to solve only (45*8) common artefacts = 360 fragments

The time required for round 1 is 1260 fragments / 39 frags/hours = 32 hours.
All subsequent rounds are 360 / 39 = 9 hours (rounding as I go :) ). We need 20 rounds on average to get this recipe so total hours is:

32 (first round) + ( 9 * 19) = 203 hour total :). 203 is much better than my first post. If rares spawn only once, it will take an average of 203 hours if all my parameters are close.

Kommentar von outdorzy1

Just got Vial of Sands recipe....first jar......color me shocked.

First Tol'vir site at lvl 460
found 2 keystones along the way
got the recipe at lvl 515....my alchemy is at 525

And here I was in for the long haul! Next fossil solve is Fossilized hatching, and have made some not bad gold with some other things solved along the way. Will be leveling archeology on other toons too...good passtime for those times when chat traffic is high.

Kommentar von Xiros

can u do the same artifacts more then once in archaeology? plz need to know

Kommentar von 924918

I am not trying to make anyone mad with this post just showing that the random number generation is completely random and that this recipe can be on someone's last jar that they ever make or on their first jar that they ever make. The pictures also show that the Kanope I created was the first item I could create for the Tol'Vir race in Archaeology.

The Rezept: Phiole der Sande dropping plus a mouseover on the Kanope to show the count
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Mouseover of the Kanope by itself next to the Winziges Oasenmosaik I have for the Tol'Vir
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These other two pics are just for validation purposes as far as it being the first one from the Tol'Vir and that I am an Alchemist so I went ahead and learned it.

Mouseover of the Winziges Oasenmosaik crafted showing that its time of creation was after that of the Kanope
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Mouseover of the Phiole der Sande in the Alchemy tab able to be crafted
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(The reason for the cropping on the bottom of the images after the first is due to people logging in on real ID)

(edit: removed hypertext protocol so that the links are visible)

Kommentar von 927258

Is there a way to get Tol vir acrh areas to appear more often, or anywhere else to farm them
beside uldum ?

Kommentar von Eighjan

So; the long and the short of this is; don't waste your time with Tol'vir Archaeology too much if you're not an Alchemist...?

My Main (Enchanter/Blacksmith Warrior) Archaeologist can continue with all other 'Races' knowing that all Kanope are vendor fodder and that turning himself into a dragon will never happen.

Kommentar von Sillicis

Patch 4.0.6 (2011-02-08):
Archaeology fragments now have a hard cap of 200 per race. Players will not be able to collect additional fragments until they complete artifacts to take them down below 200 fragments. Players with more than 200 fragments will not lose additional fragments in 4.0.6, but in a future patch we may remove any fragments above 200.

Do digsites stop spawning if you reach the hard cap? Or are you just unable to collect them?
If digsites of that particular race would just stop spawning. Farming Tol'vir would be a lot easier

Kommentar von 897587

I just completed my first canopic jar to get the achievement The Boy Who Would Be King and opened it to get the recipe and mummified organs! Just need to start getting gold now!

Kommentar von 9dad

I have similar characters on different shards with 525 Alchemy. On Dunemaul I got the recipe on the first jar I found. On Hyjal, I got the recipe on the 11th jar. In addition, I completed:
22 Soapstone Scarab Necklace
13 Engraved Scimitar Hilt
12 Tiny Oasis Mosaic
11 Cat Statue
10 Sketch of a Desert Palace
6 Castle of Sand

Kommentar von RasSanko

Guess im pretty lucky then. Ive skilled up archaeology in 2 days now (just to get the Vial of Sands recipe) and I got it on my first Canopic Jar!

Was at skill 480 also.

Kommentar von Fizzlecog

I started on this thing three days ago to get Rezept: Phiole der Sande. I didnt get a whole lot of tol'vir digs for a while. I read some of the comments on here and quickly got discouraged. On only my third Kanope it actually dropped for me. So don't get frustrated if it doesnt drop for a while, I'm pretty sure the drop rate is a lot higher than WoWhead actually accounts it as. RNG within an RNG within an RNG is a pretty deep dream.

Kommentar von 942707

The recipe from this jar is all about luck. First jar i opened and BAM Vial of the Sands!

Kommentar von Trecker

Has anyone found this recipe AFTER consuming vial of the sands?
I'm an alchemist, have bought the vial of the AH and become a sandstone drake, but want the recipe to be able to make and sell vials for profit.

Kommentar von paul1088

what do i do if im not an alchemist...sell it for a measly 25g or unlearn my profession and use this?

Kommentar von paul1088

I'm going to sell this RNG item inside an RNG item with the RNG chance of not being soulbound. So you can grind while you grind while you grind.

Kommentar von Gero11

I've gotten three tol'vir rares so far, including the scarab mount, and I'm still hunting for this.... /sigh

Kommentar von 938138

Some statistal fun facts about this jar:
These jars occur approximately 10% of the time from Tol'Vir, and Uldum digsites occur arround 20% of the time in Kalimdor, that means one would need to solve an average of 50 puzzles in Kalimdor to obtain this jar. Since the vial of the sands recipe has a 3% chance of being in one of these jars, one would need to solve approximately 1,667 puzzles in Kalimdor to obtain the coveted recipe. After that amount of archeology solving, it seems that a new title is warranted from Blizzard: "Professor Emeritus," which is usually granted to accomplished, retired professors.

Kommentar von noroha

i decided to leve up archeologhy bcs of this drake. 2 days ago i started tonight itd finished. after i read this topic, i lose my hope a bit. but at my first "canopic jar" recipe dropped. its like an hour ago. im really shocked. i just wanted this recipe sooo much. maybe this was my luck. ^^ i spent like 5 hour. my cousen helped me with her mage. she teleported me the whoole kalimdor:D it was quick. she only did follow me and i did fly. im so happy after i saw recipe my face like " :D " . i hope u all can find this recipe soo quick.

Kommentar von 986244

This is a huge grind, i have completed 35 common tol'vir artifacts with only one being the canopic jar. During my grinding however, i have found the reins of the grey camel, so that's a plus. Hopefully some more jars soon, as im losing it a bit out of frustration. Good luck all.

-update :

out of 40 common tol'vir artifacts now solved, i've still only found one jar, i'm giving up for now, as i'm clearly the unluckiest person alive. Will post here again.

-update :

Today was alot better, standing on 56 solves now and got 6 canopic jars, so it's getting better, no recipe yet, for those of you in similar situations just keep going, it will drop. Good luck..

Kommentar von 986909

I've completed all the rares for Tol'vir(yup got the mount!) and have created 58 canopic jars yet to find this recipe. Only missing the Dwarf staff and Troll 2H to have received all rares. Bit discouraged at this recipe drop rate as you get your hopes up for every jar you come across...58 times I've been let down. Those who get on their first few times...be very thankful.

Update:

82 jar solves and nothing (2325 total, 692 tol'vir solves) but you're absolutely right, the very least one gets out of this is gold. Lots and lots of gold. I could easily buy the mount from someone, but I'll feel cheated :P

Kommentar von 986244

I can now go so far as to say that if you don't have the recipe on +- 30000 gold, yes then start complaining. For me anyways, even if you get the recipe on your first jar, you probably don't have enough gold to make it, some of you might have the gold, but most of us won't. Grind for atleast all the achievements and thereafter if you have the gold, just buy the mount. Sure there is a guildie which will ask no money if you give him the mats. And given the guild discount it will be a lot cheaper. The gold whilst grinding this mount with archaeology aren't too bad, so grind the mount, get the gold with farming this, if you don't get the recipe, at least you will have the gold. My idea anyways. Tolvir common solves now 63, 6 jars, 0 recipies. Good luck.

Kommentar von 989418

Due to the posts that on the web dont do anything else than confuse and dont answer this FATAL question i'm going to link a brief conversation i had with a GM today where he CONFIRMS that unless you HAVE the profession (Alchemy) you CANNOT see nor loot the recipy. This is it!

http:**//tinypic.com/r/21l0lkp/6(##RESPBREAK##)524##DELIM##MasterOfDisguise##DELIM##

Kommentar von NiceKittyCat

I don't understand how both the jar and the recipe are both BoP. Dumb as hell in my opinion. I've been grinding forever to get the mount on my main and I'm almost positive it will never happen. There's no way in hell I'm gonna grind archaeology this high on another toon after this nightmare grind. And for the record I have 7 wasted canopic jars so far. Remove the BoP!

Kommentar von Pops715

Okay, stupid question.....when do you start getting Canopic Jars? My Alchemy and Archaeology are topped off and I've been getting dig sites in Uldum. So far I've completed 5 common artifacts but no rares. Could I start getting them any time? Or do you have to complete a certain amount of common and/or rare artifacts first?

Update: Right after I posted this, I got my first jar, which contained what I'm sure will be the first of many mummified remains......(sigh)

Also Update: Right after making that last update, I lucked out and got back-to-back Canopic Jars. I solved both of them before opening one because I was curious as to whether or not you can have more than one of these in your inventory; it turns out that you can. The first one I opened (and second one overall) had the recipe in it. First time I've ever been that lucky getting a rare anything!

Kommentar von pkmnnerd

Just this troll, finally achieved 525 alchemy+herbalism+archeology, thought lets get myself the recipe vial of the sands , prepared for 20hours nonstop archeology, second tolvir dig canopic jar.
And yes first canopic jar second tolvir dig a recipe!#!
Just a matter of lucky but still !

Kommentar von Paes

Can anybody confirm whether banking a Canopic Jar prevents further jars from dropping? I found my first jar, banked it, and haven't been able to build a second jar, despite having completed at least 30 other Tol'Vir artifacts. Is that just bad luck, or do I need to open the jar before I can build another? I see from a few comments that others claim to have banked multiple jars, but just looking for some reassurance. One jar out of 30+ builds seems strange.

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