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Kommentar von Anarki

Shadowstep is a great great great skill of surprise and I find it useful in grinding as well. If you spec properly you can gain an amazing ambush burst damage combined with easy obtainable AP boosting items in the Burning Crusade.

Basically what happens upon using this skill is a flash of smoke (much like vanish) on the spot you were standing when you used Shadowstep and the spot behind you're enemy where you will be teleport... this happens in almost an instant. You then gain a 10 second buff. Currently, at least through my experiences this works like a charm.

It used to be 30 yards but due to some lag issues by teleporting that far (having to load new areas all of a sudden) this was reduced to 20 so it would happen instant on all computers.

You can also do combos like Shadowstep -> Sap -> Backstab. This is useful in instances where you have to reach mobs that are standing in trivial spots (since the teleport).

Kommentar von dngnb8

Questions:

1. Do you have to have an enemy targeted when activating or can it be used much like blink?
2. Does it place you behind the target, facing its back everytime (preventing the You must be facing the target error)?

Kommentar von Vexikuri

Shadowstep has been added with patch 2.0.3.

"Shadowstep" (New Subtlety Talent) attempts to step through the shadows and reappear behind your enemy. Your next "Ambush", "Backstab" or "Garrote" ability is increased by 20% and lasts 10 sec. This is only usable while stealthed."

Kommentar von 23914

Shadowstep is a truly fun ability. Think of it like blink, only with certain benefits and restrictions.
Benefits
-low energy cost, only 20 points
-20 yard range
-short cooldown (considering it's a rogue ability) of 20 seconds
-adds a good buff, increasing damage of some abilities
-puts you behind the target

Drawbacks
-if target is against a wall it'll put you in front of them, not sure if this is universal but it happens some times.

that's pretty much it!
It can't be used to teleport you in the air however, so if someone's on a flying mount you can't blink up to them, you'll blink to where they would be if they were on the ground.
also, it's based on line of sight, so you can't always blink to a target on a ledge or something, though I've yet to try in WSG. Otherwise this is just an amazing ability

Kommentar von 3730

I was looking at this talent, combined with Opportunity (5/5), Master of Subtlety (3/3) and Premeditation it is awesome.
You can Premed-Shadowstep-Garrote-Sinister/Hemo/Backstab and Rupture.
The max rank garrote does 810 damage (without AP bonus) and with these talents you get a 52%(!) damage increase. Which results in 1231 damage.
Then when you apply Rupture (which benefits from the Master of Subtlety buff) it will do about 1.4k damage.
This may not seem as a lot, but it adds up. And it can not be dispelled either.
Mages might be forced to ice block, pallys might have to bubble. Anyway, healers have to waste mana for it. Which is always a good thing.

Kommentar von 41445

Good god, and I though my combat rogue was deadly. Think it's time for a re-spec. Just wondering if I should stick with swords or go back to daggers for this build?

Kommentar von 46812

You can activate this while not in stealth in patch 2.3.
The cooldown, however, will be increased to 40 sec.
edit: 30 sec now

Kommentar von AlphaQ

Currently on 2.3 PTR, Shadowstep is changed to give 20% bonus damage to your next ability instead of only Ambush, Backstab or Garrote. Cooldown is also reduced to 30 seconds.

Kommentar von 47946

2.3 is introducing an 8 yard minimum range for Shadowstep.

Kommentar von Silvertale

Actually, it was changed. It doesn't have a minimum range anymore, making it pretty good.

It's now 25 yard range, with no minimum, so you can use it anywhere within 25 yards range.

Kommentar von 52664

With Shadowstep becoming usable even outside of stealth, it becomes the perfect choice for fatty Eviscerate crits.

Theorycrafting with a modest 1200 AP and a 17/3/41 PvP Shadowstep build:

(The 5CP Eviscerate damage formula: -)

1165-1285 -- Regular 5CP Eviscerate
1340-1478 -- 5CP 3/3 Imp. Evisc.
2680-2956 -- 5CP 3/3 Imp. Evisc. Crit.
3082-3400 -- 5CP 3/3 Imp. Evisc. 5/5 Lethality Crit.
3698-4080 -- 5CP 3/3 Imp. Evisc. 5/5 Lethality Crit. Shadowstep
4068-4488 -- 5CP 3/3 Imp. Evisc. 5/5 Lethality Crit. Shadowstep Master of Subtlety (from steath)

That's a roughly a 1K damage increase for a meager 10 energy spent on ShS.

Note that these numbers are pre-armor and resilience reduction. 3/3 Serrated Blades is pretty much de facto for all Shadowstep builds. With SB and a 5/5 (Imp.) Expose Armor in place, the numbers listed will be close to actual damage on (leather and) cloth, as SB and EA in conjunction will lower the armor to 0.

Let's look at this in a PvP scenario with mitigation. Against an EA'd cloth/leather opponent with 400 Resilience (10.15% crit. damage reduction), you're still looking at a 3655-4032 crit. By the time you've got that opponent EA'd, he's dropped pretty low. Low enough that he's in Dirty Deeds range, which increases your special ability damage by 20%. You Vanish, ShS, then drop the 5 point Evisc hammer.

It crits.

4386-4838 damage killing blow.

How sexy is that... =D

Kommentar von darkyoshi87

Shadowstep now adds a "Mini-Sprint" effect as some veteran Rogues are calling it. It increases movement speed by 70% for three seconds. (This is on the 2.3.2 PTR)

Kommentar von 112089

This new patch nerfed the fun out of my rogue. I really hate playing him now. Rogues where always the oddball classes with some really different talents and abilities. Now if I sap someone it makes me hostile. There goes that fun.

Now we can shadowstep unstealthed...well why would a rogue do that? If I'm unstealthed I can use sprint to cover distance for someone running away. Use blind to stop them from running. or throw out a distract if i wanted to. I really don't see when a rogue has an opportunity to shadowstep while being out of stealth.

If I need to use shadow step then i'm probably going to set them up for something. It's best purpose was blind -> get away and stealth -> shadowstep right back on their ass. now I'm suppose to just blind -> walk away and then shadowstep without going back into stealth?

Blizzard should of really thought this one through. I respecced today to ColdBlood/Prep because I just can't have fun on my rogue anymore.

Kommentar von cheesepizza

the good thing is this is like an intercept... usually u should save it until ur being kited and now that the buff is any ability this is even better.

Kommentar von 100642

Since shadowstep is useable outside of stealth (since the increased cooldown and added threat reduction), it now have alot of new interesting uses. You might even want to consider not using it for stealth opener depending on the situation.

Kommentar von 50132

You can use this in conjunction with Evis for a nice 20% increase in damage to it. it will also helps against resilience since it works on crit and a evis with 20% added damage isnt killed by resil.

Kommentar von Lukrid

For people trying to level lockpicking, or just make a bit more money, I suggest using this skill combined in a macro with pick pocket (with auto-looting turned on, of course).

Kommentar von 50132

just a note this also breaks snare. so if you are rooted you can just shadow-step out of it. altho it would be a little waste but just letting you know.

Kommentar von 99759

I specced to shadowstep today. It's my first time testing the build, and the only thing I dont like about it so far is, that it doesnt break snares. I had got the idea, that it would break nova and so on, but at least when I shadowstepped, sure, I did get teleported behind enemy, but I was still in the nova.

There are still many nice uses for this ability, but this is at least one huge downside of it

Kommentar von Xdreadfather

I don't know if this was already obvious to everyone, but in fooling around I found that this can be used when falling. I use it from time to time to PvP in the Outlands when I'm bored, just hop on my flying mount, bail off and SS behind my target. Considering you can time it right (or just spam the hotkey for it till your in range) you want take fall damage when you appear, much like blinking out of fall damage.

Kommentar von daurenr

5 combo point -> Shadowstep-> Evis

Kommentar von 49396

A fun fact for anyone who is curious... As it is not a hostile attack, using this on a PvP-flagged enemy player while not flagged yourself will NOT flag you, or get you attacked by neutral faction guards. I've been toying with this one in Quel'Danas when I'm too lazy to run up to the top of a pavillion/tower/whatever. Lazy? Sure. But god, that has to be unsettling for the other guy.

Another fun use: teleporting up to the top floor of bunkers in Alterac Valley. Target an archer, Shadowstep, voila. You're there about 20 seconds ahead of your group.

Kommentar von OhTeeSee

If anyone has been in that situation where you see someone sitting down eating/drinking it is recommended that you do not Shadowstep to them and then use Ambush, as the act of Shadowstepping, though not breaking stealth, for some reason causes the target to stand up, losing its "sitting: 100% crit chance" status. Instead, I would suggest shadowstepping a nearby target first (If any are available) to gain the 20% damage buff, and then walking up to the sitting target and ambushing.

Note: I have not tried combining this into a macro as of yet, I will edit further after gathering more information.

Kommentar von 178955

Does anyone notice that is says "Attempts to step through the shadows" so does that mean u can fail?

Yes, depending on terrain, you may very well end up stepping through the world textures, leading to a gruesome death in the Twisting Nether.

Kommentar von 111622

You can actually get on the other team's starting spawn point n Eye of the Storm with this, cross rivers, it's not a blink, it's a direct teleport, so even in AV, if you're on the ground, the snow, you can (if there's a person there) teleport to the tower's flag without walking up the stairs.

I hope they fix this hack soon.

Kommentar von 182063

I simply love tihs talent! a nice trick when ure in ab is to go to lm and then if ure about to die u jump off vanish ss one of the enemies and ur safe! love it

Kommentar von 43040

It's the ability that will save a rogue if his enemy gets away from him and kites.

Upcoming nerf. I hope everyone got to enjoy this part of Shadowstep, as with the upcoming patch, this will no longer allow the ability to Shadowstep when rooted any more. Meaning: it's back to being mage and hunter and sometimes locks food again.

Kommentar von qhiiyr

Autorun will persist through shadowstep, beware.

Kommentar von 1771

about the nerf...I got one thing to say to you fellows....

- Escape Artist -

Kommentar von WebBug

Best suggestion for this is to perhaps use Cloak Of Shadows to remove the root then Shadowstep or in most instances it would probably be safer to Shadowstep away from someone quick. ie if your frost nova'd a mage is most likley going to spam ice lance so quicker you get out of his range or his LOS the better ;)

If you use Cloak of Shadows, then you're no longer frozen. If you're not frozen, then shatter combo doesn't work. Also, you'll most likely resist the next Ice Lance anyway. Seems to me like you'd be much better off using that opportunity to get in his face and stunlock him than to run away.

Kommentar von 233332

In Strand of the Ancients, Shadowstep rogues can ShS up to turrets on offense, thereby bypassing gates. There are two good strategies that a ShS rogue can use to capitalize on this.

- Go to the gate everyone else is NOT going to (Green or Blue) at the start. Ride as close to the gate as you think you can get away with, stealth, ShS up to a turret, then cap the GY on that side. The main assault force should cap the other one. Capping both the east and west graveyards early is a huge tactical advantage because it doubles the number of tanks your side has easy access to.

- Get to the Yellow gate as quickly as possible by Shadowstepping up to turrets (again, preferably on the side everyone else is NOT taking so you avoid AOEs etc.). Destroy both turrets on the Yellow gate, which rogues can do very quickly -- I can take out a turret in about 15-20 seconds assuming no interference. This is, again, a huge advantage, because the heaviest fighting usually takes place around the Yellow gate, and you are depriving the enemy of their biggest source of DPS against tanks. It is not typically worthwhile to destroy turrets on any gate but Yellow, however.

With multiple ShS rogues carrying Seaforium in a premade, they could even win the round without destroying a single gate! I would love to see a premade of ONLY Shadowsteppers -- the enemy is standing around at Green/Blue scratching their heads, then all of a sudden "The keep has been destroyed!" LOL!

Kommentar von Skullhawk13

Funniest use i seen so far has been a rogue nearly dead jumping off Lumber Mill in AB to what i thought was certain death only to re appear behind me an backstab :( doh

Never show your back, or we subtly rogues will STAB IT! Ambush >> vanish >> kindey shot >> sprint >> preperation >>> shadowstep >>> cheep shot >> kidney shot >> hemmorage >> slice and dice DEAD! >;)

Kommentar von 301264

hi, im new on WoW, and i need some advice on my talent build
wat u guys think bout this shadowstep bo
https://www.wowhead.com/cata/talent=fhxboxZZebfbhGzdAzVfot

thx =)

Kommentar von Shnissigah

amazing ability...

1. Can be used to avoid fall damage.
2. Flag carriers are NOTHING!
3. Can be used to move up/down/across distances/terrain which would normally cause you to go around.
4. Increases Garrote damage.
5. If used right, can make for an excellent getaway if your Vanish/Prep is on cooldown.

Kommentar von 372694

It's great to combine ShS with the ambush talents (+50% crit and 100% chance on crit to reduce movement speed by 70% and attack speed) so basically we get to apply crippling, deal good damage (if it isn't plate) and reduce attack speed, more useful against some classes than others, but its still less damage. It all depends on the crit of course, that's the only downside.

Kommentar von 181058

just curious but does this still work on turrets in wintergrasp/strand of the ancients?

Kommentar von killerdinoblood

Shadowspet is the perfect suprise atk.Im dueliing my feral druid friend in nagrand and we cant find each other while we are invisable.So he used swift fly form to fly on a tree and stayd there and was calm cuz he think i cant touch him.And then i used shadowstep teleported and OWND HIM.

NOTE:Shadowstep is also good for this-while in PVP some ally is trying to eat and has climend on a safe place shadowspet can suprise him vry much!

Kommentar von 131118

if u are not stealthed, u just appear behind them and u can use backstab / prevent them from fleeing. If u are stealthed, u appear behind them and u can sap / ambush.

Kommentar von 96710

Thats funny, i have done all of the stuff stated above when BC came out.

I remember seeing a 70 troll rogue in STV and he used shadowstep, i remember wanting to do it so bad i made my rogue hit 70 and made the pvp spec, but with wotlk i went mut/minor sub talents but after my now 4 month break of wow i think i'm gonna come back in a week and i'm going to dual spec my rogue to be shadowstep/assassination so i can play as both.

I have levels 80 80 80 74 74 72 72 70 70 70 so i know practically all the moves in the game; by all means i think this one is not only powerful but the most fun.

Kommentar von 536265

I was born a Sub rogue. ^_^ I ding'd to level 50...in the middle of a level 49 battleground. I placed this talent into my action bar and was oddly curious....the description does NOT do this sucker justice, it packs a PUNCH.

Small anecdote....in the same warsong gulch battle i had leveled in, there was a level 42 undead mage grabbing our flag. The entire team was chasing him, he was about to make a really fast cap....approaching tunnel entrance, up the hill to the lumber mill....(before i continue on, here's some info, to set the stage). I had dinged to 50 among many "congratz" from the other BGers, score was 1-2 horde, and i led the honorable kills, damage done, and killing blows on the team. The mage was obviously skilled, geared in blues and high-greens, knew what he was doing, too...and extremely squishy. If this guy made a cap...it was game. The horde had just killed our flag carrier and there was still a "brutal assault" debuff active (+100% damage), and...this guy was gonna make it. Paladins were blasting our offensive line, hunters were concussing/wing clipping us, and i slither through, we're easily 5 steps from the mage....frost nova. BAM. All of a sudden im the only one left, all our offense getting stuck in place....SO. i hit the panic button. Shadowstep, for the first time. Cloak of smoke around me, all of a sudden im in the tunnel and staring at the back of a mage....AMBUSH! Big yellow numbers: 2,673. As a level 50? Not nearly possible. I was freaking out, the dudes who were looking at recount freaked out, my numbers had jumped almost 3000 points in a split second. I returned the flag, then followed up to grab theirs, run out their graveyard, blow off a sprint/preparation/sprint combo, and capped it. Flawless. I then spent the next while in the battleground trying out my new panic button...

The mage had come back to redeem himself, and returned to the roof of our base to blizzard us away. I started thinking like the rogue character i played, as though that panic button was talking to me again. I wall-hugged, blasted away Shadowstep....and appeared, right behind his squishy throat...two floors above where i had been standing a moment before.

Truly a remarkable attack. Turns tables instantly. Changes the tide of an entire game, if conditions are favorable (see above xD). And if you fit into a sub rogue mold perfectly, like i did at the start of my rogue career, this is your KEY. The panic button....it's amazing. Sub rogues, you'll love it. It was enough to turn a few people i know into spending gold to respec.
SUBTLETY FTW

Rock on, sub rogues, rock on

Kommentar von 258282

ive noticed FoK does not consume Shadowstep.

Does FoK gain the 20% damage benefit from Shadowstep for the duration of the buff?

Kommentar von 557725

I know the coolest thing to do with Shadowstep is SS and ambush, but you will get much more of this talent by first sneaking behind-->ambush then when target escapes SS and backstab.

Kommentar von Magepro

What If opener after SS is Cheap Shot: will it consume (waste) +20% dmg bonus or NEXT yellow dmg still have bonus?

Kommentar von Hidengokill

On the 17/5/2010, an Unconscious Dig Rat (which summons an idle Dig Rat) was used by Jider to solo Patchwerk25.
He used this rat in conjunction with Shadowstep, which created what is now known as "JiderStep".(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Onyx1831##DELIM##

Kommentar von nerflocked

Yet another bull&*!@ rogue skill to make them stupidly OP vs. most casters.

Kommentar von butcher098

Without a doubt, one of the more fun rogue moves available, shame it isn't something trainable. And I can confirm for cjm336 that the 20% increased damage buff, does work with fan of knives. Also stacks with Glyph of Fan of Knives tested it recently.

Kommentar von 321609

With the changes in cataclysm, this will be one of the subtlety "Signature Talents", meaning you will earn it at level 10.

The thought of this made me incredibly happy as i'll be rerolling my poor little level 25 Troll Rogue that I rarely play as a Worgen, and I will be staying Subtlety specced. Aspiring Subtlety rogues everywhere rejoice!

Kommentar von MonkeyChief

As of right now, in cataclysm, this spell will no longer affect any ability - only Ambush or Garrote. However the damage bonus has been increased and the cooldown and energy cost of the ability reduced (from 30 seconds to 20 seconds and from 10 energy to 0).
Overall, I think this is a buff.
For levelling it is definitely a buff as from level 10 you will have both ambush and shadowstep - it'll speed up your travel time from mob to mob and remove a nice chunk of health from any mob that you engage.

For PvP, it's probably still a buff - whilst you can no longer use it to boost the damage of, say, backstab - you can use the spell more often to reach that caster over there, and of course get harder hitting ambushes if you can get back into stealth.

Kommentar von 579832

Anyone who knows when you're gonna learn this spell in Cataclysm?

Kommentar von HandofDeath

when a rogue uses this on my holy priest i go holy crap batman just one shotted me

Kommentar von 148868

Thanks to the new dualspec cost EVERY rogue in pre-80 PvP is subtlety now.

Great job "making all specs viable", or something.

Kommentar von Rarehunter

I've been wondering about the icon... at first, I thought it was a boot or something. But it kind of looks like Zeratul now...

Kommentar von 716084

Shadowstep, ambush laied to waste >:D

Kommentar von Ganbantein

what a lot of rogues tend to do is to jump before using this ability
most of the time it's just a simple jump, but some rogues can get very tricky and jump off a ledge, expecting someone to follow them and then use ShS to counter
it looks like an on-going trend

Kommentar von 76745

I really enjoy this skill, especially in the old days when ppl didnt really know what the heck was going on and rouges pwnd before others even had a chance to cast anything.

Kommentar von cardinalchang

This is my first time playing a sub rogue and this spell is even better than I thought. Here are the facts as at 4.1:

Shadowstep works both in and out of stealth AND in and out of combat;
Shadowstep doesn't break stealth - you can use it while in stealth and use Ambush straight away;
Because Shadowstep isn't an attack (e.g it's more like Blink than Charge), if you are moving when you cast Shadowstep you will keep moving when you land;
Shadowstep doesn't put you in combat (though obviously if you are unstealthed and targeting a red then aggro range could do that) - so you can easily use it as a Blink-style transporter without even having to fight your target.

Yay!

Kommentar von 844275

It is hilarious in Warsong Gulch to grab the flag, run towards a few enemies running to intercept you, and then shadowstep the enemy farthest away, do a 180, and leave them bewildered as to what just happened. It worked at level 14 at least.

Kommentar von micxiao

i just tried to shadowstep a harpy in mount hyjal and fell right through the terrain :'[

Kommentar von guatafu

This can break the game, I have seen rogues Shadowstep to the turrets in strand of the ancients allowing them to go cap the graveyards while the gates are still up... Awesome :D

Kommentar von zxczxczbfg

At least for me, this spell is the bread and Ambush is the butter. I just SStep behind an enemy and ambush them, a passable opener for most normal fights. And sometimes I SStep in the middle of a fight randomly. Sure, it screws up my cooldown, but it looks epic.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Is there a cd on this?

Also, does it require stealth (dumb question) but I cant see it above and im too lazy to log on too have a look ^^

Kommentar von Allakhazam

a very fun and useful ability, can be used on critters and enemies across small gaps or at the bottom of a cliff (if you time it right). it can do weirds things against patrolling mobs, like put you in front of them or right on top of them, which will normally get you detected. If you guys find any other cool things to do with it or places you can get to, pls post them.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Don't I wish I could get shadowstep at level 1.

That'd be a dream :D

Subtlety FTW!

Kommentar von Allakhazam

i have never seen this bad boy in action....im thinkin itz like aoshi off of rouroni kenshin, his little kenpo stuff haha that would be awesome...im goin to go make a rogue now ^^

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Shadowstep is a stealth-only ability with a 20-second cooldown.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

useful if you get stuck also...shadowstep your way out of trouble

and those stupid ores that they put up out of reach but next to mobs

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Listen up, you little retarded rogue dumbasses..

This ability is a SUBLIETY talent tree ability requiring you to have 50 points in SUBLIETY and one in this category which is on the BOTTOM of the page. You do not get this at level 10, 20, 30, 40, or even 49.. you get this at level 50 if you pull all your talent points into SUBLIETY.

This is a message for the mental retarded rogues of World of Warcraft...

Learn2Rogue

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Hey
I've created multiple rouges.I have never been able to learn this ability or use it.Whats up?I cant buy it either.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

if some ones far away from you say goldshire inn roof duel e and shadowstep to get up there very fun

Kommentar von Thottbot

i am a 70 rogue and my current build is 20/0/41. Shadowstep is amazing in pvp, if you have a good crit chance, you can usually 2 shot clothies. Shadowstep is also great for getting to places that would take a while to get to, Like up a hill where a hunter is ranged, just hit shadowstep and you will be right behind him. Very versatile in pvp. Better than mutilate imo. =O

Kommentar von Thottbot

you have alot of skill if your able to kill someone that is not only fighting someone already, but is at 20%

damn i wish i had your skillz

Kommentar von Thottbot

This spell has proved very effective for me in both PvP and PvE. Here's a list of a few reasonings:

1.) It allows you to scale areas much more efficiently. Including up cliffs or across wide gaps. (Not over 20 yrds, of course)

2.) Allows you to quickly tag mobs from those a**holes that like to steal kills.

3.) In PvP, you can hide away from AoE spells until the caster gives up on you or runs out of mana. Then quickly pop this and have your way with them from the back. ;-)

4.) For Warriors, not as effective with pallies, Premeditation + Shadowstep + Garrote + 5 CP Rupture, along with deadly poison stacked 5 times. Three very effective DoTs, probably won't kill an above average warrior, but is definately going to get the most damage through all the armor. Next best thing aside from Shadow Priests and Warlocks.

Here, I've only listed a few of the most important benefits I've discovered from this ability. There are many numerous advantages this gives you from the traditional rogue. Be creative and have fun with this. :-)

Kommentar von Thottbot

The Sub Build is under rated in most cases. I've used Sub since I started my rogue and now with shadow step I am very happy. With the proper gear, and the willingness to dance your toon around and through Mob's and Players the Sub Rogue is very versatile.

I can complete many quests ahead of my level just because I can sneak past stuff 5 lev's or more higher. And then take out named / elite mobs with out bothering with their minions.

A lot of people say don't spec Sub till higher levels. Well this is due to the fact that you can get a higher DPS than a Sub in 1v1 combat scenarios if you spec combat & or assassination. Hence Oh I can kill mobs faster and do more dmg... Well in PVP realms you aren't just worried about Mobs, Players are often more intelligent than mobs. The Ability to sneak up on your enemy and get him before he gets you is priceless in PVP realms.

Not only that but, when it comes to ambush the Dagger with the Higher Max Dmg wins. Solely relying on DPS or speed is for your Off-hand. And well when it comes to players, Most run, after you get them down by half HP, and if your opener does just that; there is no contest.

And Shadowstep Makes Killing so easy it's almost too easy...

Kommentar von Thottbot

i have a lvl 70 rogue. spent lots of money and did some instances, battle grounds, and arena with my builds. first was shadowstep.

pros:
Amazing burst damage that would make ur enemy think ur a god.
Fact u can step in any area within the 20 yards w/o losin LOS is awesome. mage or another range guy on the hills in AV step up and rip them in 2.
with the 10% to AP plus the AGI buster ur AP is extremly high.
fighting a warrior? ghostly strike and evade while dodgin ur gainin CP from setup. from there its what finisher u want.
oh and dont think a 3 step ambush is possible? *!@#$%s. stealth, step, ambush .. build up 5 points, KS, van, step, ambush, while fighting pop the prep Ks should be ready to go, van step ambush. whats that u say u can do 3 hit ambush? ive done it. THINK!
my only 2 cons i got and there might be more is that one if the target is moving and u step they'll just run outa range so u gotta pop a sprinit, and 2 is if the target is say on a cot like in SH instance. u might step behind the cot which will get u stuck. just have some kit a target to u and step out tho.

Combat dagger
not much to but energy regen is a pain if u dont have good hit ability for combat potency. plus the surprise attack target cant not dodge. well theres still and parry and resist. yup had rupture resisted. sucks. ya its good for raids but!

Mutilate.
AWESOME gains in points fast and effective.same energy as backstab but its a double hit. one with OH and MH so when they both crit its say 1200 of and 1500 MH thats a 2700 total damage! WOOT plus a 3 CP evis or w/e u want. just remember to shiv FIRST! to get the poison on cuz the 50% more damage only comes from if the target is poisoned. and yes it'll work with any poisons like hunters poison arrow.this is great for arena and raiding only down fall is if the target is poison immune.but u can still be with the big dogs in instances or raids for dps. 41/20 for raiding and 41/0/20 for pvp. but this is only to help those that want an idea. dont take my words with a grain of salt just think of what ur goin to do with ur rogue first then build from that. besides if u do go combat, u might as well put swords in ur hands.

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I think more people underestimate Shadowstep than overestimate. It is really good for dagger rogues to get that big ambush, but not many people seem to talk about the bleed potential for a hemo rogue...

To begin, I dont' think cold blood is necessary unless you use mutilate, shadowstep is better for ambush, and being a hemo/fist rogue myself CB is pointless since at 30 energy i'm going to crit often anyway.

For me the AP and agi you get in sub are necessary, but w/o even considering that I open most fights with premed/shadowstep/garrote, and the effects are devastating. The extra 20% added to that bleed, along with the other damage bonuses you get in sub make garrote a formidable DoT.

Not many rogues consider the full potential of the sub tree, and Shadowstep is the juicy apple at the bottom that makes climbing the tree worthwhile wether you like daggers or use hemo.

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Everyone seems to be talking about the effectivness of Subtlety vs Assas/Combat, but you cant forget the fun factor. I personally love Shadowstep just 'cause jumping from point A to point B is more fun than having to walk to the mob. And somebody brought up the point of if someone is moving they get out of range fast. That's what I have imp sap for. imp sap is commonly underestimated, but it makes sapping moving people less annoying.

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actually this is good for feeling good about yourself in pvp, which is okay! always being top of the board is fun! but, i prefer combat because you usually do more damage constantly, than spiking for 3k-4k crits. i think it helps the TEAM more if you do more damage from a combat spec.

P.S. I <3 Nub Clothies

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thought about getting 30/0/31.. atm have
20/0/41 ... though shadowstep is really good as said
for getting to your enemy quick and avoid whirlwind or any kind of aoe.. frost nova etc.. i think i would miss shadowstep to much ^^

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pve.. works nicely though against mobs that are higher lvl than u or same lvl its more of a trick to get down.. so do quests 1-2 lvl lower.. or just farm.. shadowstep ambush.. hit for a sec wihtout doing anything.. ks go backstab... mostly the mob is dead here.. ambush always crit if u farm the right way though if backstab doesnt crit u need to do some hemo maybe xD ftl

else just shadowstep/ambush/1 hemo or 2 .. wait for evis energy and finish... usually i get around 500-1400 dps each battle. though its disapointing as soon as ur ambush doesnt crit xD

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im lvl 66 and i got shadowstep. it hits insanely hard! best crit so far was 2.5k on clothies, about 2k on mail wearers, and 1.6k on some prot pally. Mutilate is ok but id prefer shadowstep. say your fighting a mage and open up with ambush, they'll most likely blink away BUT if u use vanish and shadowstep you'll be right behind him and have a chance to open up with a stun or another ambush (should be safe to open with a stun since blink is outta the way.... just watch out for trinkets!)i know this strategy isnt perfect but hey... its something lol. although i havnt tried mutilate yet i think i like shadowstep better.

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A lot of you people are forgetting the point of a Subtlety Rogue and why it is the best pvp spec. Sure, you go combat and you can sustain dps enough to top the boards in damage.

The point of a subtlety rogue is to do as much damage as physically possible directly out of stealth. Meaning you are a 1v1 rogue.

I know that when i go into battlegrounds, once i've marked my kill, they are done for. I can go 6 on 1 and still kill the person that I set out to destroy. Where is this perfect for?

Warsong Gulch. Everyone knows how completely annoying it is when both teams have the flag, and everybody just camps their flag carrier. This is where the subtlety rogue comes in. With improved stealth, and heightened senses, you can stealth past everyone, see any rogues waiting for an attack, find their flag carrier, sap and destroy. I can't count how many times i've gone 4, 5, even 6 on 1 and still gotten the flag return for the win.

The reason for this is, straight out of stealth you do so much damage nothing can escape you.

So yay, go combat and top the boards in damage, while i'm the one behind the scenes getting the flag returns and topping the boards in killing blows.

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next patch this has a 40 second cooldown but you will be able to use it out of stealth

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For you curious ppl...this comment'll help you on what lvl 2 get the Sub Talent abilities...

Talent:

11 Sub=lvl 20- Ghostly Strike:No requirements

21 Sub=lvl 30- Hemorrhage:Requires 3 in Serrated Blades

21 Sub=lvl 30- Preparation:No requirements

31 Sub=lvl 40- Premeditation:Requires 1 in Preparation

41 Sub=lvl 50- Shadowstep:Requires 1 in Premeditation-1 in Preparation

Hope this helps...

-D3STR0
-63 Lock
-42 Rogue

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Shadowstep vs movement imparing effects

I'm not specc's Shadowstep yet but may if what i'm hearing is right... Now that we can use it out of stealth I read some Rogues are popping Shadowstep when FrostNova'd to successfully close the distance again.

Apparently the frost/roots still follow the jump, but nonetheless it's a move within striking distance! Any confirmations? Thanks~

(Forum where I read it: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/v3525720)

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Can you use this move in combat since you don't have to be in stealth? If you can then i don't care how good combat/sword spec is im goin sub ^.^

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could we call it an OPstep?
or maybe...the Skillstep?
i hardly await it on my rogue :-) he's only lvl 36 atm but this skill makes me push forward

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I know it would seem insane to have no MS warrior AS hunter or healer but think about it... 5 shadowstep rogues on a 5v5 team. All shadowstep, ambush the opponent's healer and the healer is gone, all vanish (if DoTs are on use cloak of shadows) walk around without being seen until shadowstep is up again, shadowstep, ambush a clothy and its gone, preperation, vanish, shadowstep, ambush next opponent and that person is gone... now it is 2v5 and 2 rogues kill lesser armored guy and other 3 kill the other dude. Stunlock...

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apparently this spell activates no global cooldown so simply make a macro:

/cast Shadowstep
/cast Ambush

or whatever abillity u want to use...

i think it would be fun to make a macro:

/cast shadowstep
/cast sap

sap a target 25 yards away.... lol

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This ability now includes a sprint effect (70% speed increase) for 3sec after using it.

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try going

/cast shadowstep
/stopcasting
/cast ambush

if u put the stopcasting in it works :D

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Alot of people like to bash shadowstep, but I think it's a pretty great spell. I'm hemo and went deep in subtelty for Cheat Death and Sinister Calling, got shadowstep just bc it was convenient. And i ended up loving it!

Everyone who loves this spell appreciates its anti-kiting aspects and huge ambush crits. But hemo rogues can love it, too. The +20% to your next special means you can cast it right before a nice finisher. My evis at lvl 61 grabs + 15%, 20% from Dirty Deeds, and 20% more from shadowstep. It crits nice and hard for around 2000-2900 on mobs (2900 on those voidwalkers, no kidding!). much harder than ambush can do!

I mostly use this spell as a amplify for my finishers. But it's great for all the pvp in outland, too. when i'm being chased i can turn around, SS into them, and start blazing the other way!

Of course, Shadowsteppers know all the fun stuff you can do with teleporting. This post hopes to point out shadowstep is no longer an ambush rogue's move. I didn't know what to spec because I loved big hits but hated the inconsistency of an ambush rogue (not to mention the long cd of Shadowstep when grinding). This really has become my favorite spec ever! Take advantage of it's 20% dmg boost and the Deadliness talent for some great finishers!

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There was a mage I kept squishing in WSG. She stood on the edge of the GY hill thinking she was safe until I shadowstepped up behind her and one shotted her yet again >:3 Every rogue should twink themselves in OL greens and squish some peeps before dinging 60 and pushing on into OL. Its cheap and relatively easy... however considering how fast it is to reach 60 now it would probably take some skill to get enough items before reaching 60.

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Just a little question:
If im stealthing, use shadowstep and then break stealth with cheap shot will the +20% damage buff still be on or does cheap shot consume it?

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I'm a rogue,level 58.So far,i've tested full-possible level builds,that are 49 in Assassination,Combat,or Subtlety.There are some benefits and despites from the last 41 talents:

Mutilate rocks cloth users,that you have applied poisons with first cheap shot and two hits.Cold blood plus Mutilate at 58 equals around 2,000 damage.Only problem is,it doesn't crit often.

Surprise Attacks from combat is,well,not very fun if youre not a PvE-er.Mainly versus cooldowns popping rogue,but the 10% damage to main abbilities is sweet.

Shadowstep:It's fun,but not quite good if you don't have the gear for it.You can ,,blink'' at the blinked mage,and tare him with backstab,asuming youre backstab Subtlety.

The build I intend to use at 70,is 34/0/27.This grants your finishing mooves a plus to everything.You won't have time to use your CP's,due to the fact,that backstab has,with good arena gear,like a mate that I've been discussing this with,a 60% crit chance.Hell of a tough,I would say.

It comes to weather you like ofense,or defense.

P.S:Good luck blinking,it's an abbility that makes wow funnier.

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Alright i see people with swords and maces alike but with this move. They spent 41 points in it and i just want to know, is it for the blink alone or is there some damage they get off sinister strike they love so much? They cheapshot and sinister strike, but it hardly seems fit to use that.... why not garotte? Better use of the 20% right? Still if you like ganking towns and lowbie spots that 70% speed will out-run even lvl 40 mounts and if you get your timing right you should be able to get a cheapshot in before you need to use it anyway.... whatever

Please reply i need help :P

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