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Kommentar von Sebas

Sap is a rogue's only PvE / PvP crowd control device that lasts more than a few seconds...improved sap causes your rogue to restealth after sap so you don't die while helping your group/raid with crowd control...just don't forget that sap only lasts 12 seconds in PvP now!

Kommentar von 8460

Good ways to use sap: sap hunter/warlock, kill the pet, then proceed to stunlock hunter/lock and kill him, very useful, with imp sap, you can cheap shot the pet, imp sap is also when that warrior has a healer around, just sap healer, then garrote the warrior keep warrior under stunlock, when warr dead, vanish then proceed to kill the healer.

Kommentar von 8474

Sap is a very useful spell. When you obtain the full talent upgrade it is vastly improved, you can stay stealthed while casting almost 90% of the time. Sap can be effected by stun resists.

Kommentar von RakothMaugrim

The new BC talents will make imp sap a 100% success rate, with only 2 points in it. I also believe they are moving down a tree. Like any opener, it can miss. In the first murder build Sap was affected by Murder wich increased chance to hit with an opener.

Sap is a disorient effect, and just like gouge can be broken by a warrior's berserker rage.

Kommentar von 7735

Just wanted to point out a pvp application for sap that seems oftentimes overlooked. It is quite useful in 1v1/Duels, especially if you have improved sap:

Simply sap the target, then cheap shot and quickly turn around before your auto attack hits. If done correctly, this should stun them, but not break sap, allowing you to restealth and essentially start off the fight with 2 free combo points.

note: In patch 2.0 it is possible to cheapshot without breaking sap and without turning around using the following macro (Taken from Ming's post on the rogue forums)

/equip Bow of Love
/cast Cheap Shot
/stopattack

Change "Bow of Love" to your actual ranged weapon

Just mash this macro when you want to cheapshot without breaking your sap.

Kommentar von 10315

Also the difference between sap and the CCs of other classes is that in PVE, if you do not start a fight right near the sapped mob you won't enter combat mode once the sap finshes with that mob (assuming you have Improved), unlike poly or banish or shackle where you'll either have to fight once the effect finishes or ran away already.

Kommentar von 41395

According to the Patch 2.1.0 notes, Imp. Sap will cease to exsist. In other words, Imp. Sap will be removed from the Sub. Tree and will be replaced with a talent that reduces the energy cost/increases the range of Sap/Blind. The good news is that Sap will now work like it should have TWO YEARS AGO: It will automatically retun you to stealth. This means that, essentially, every Rogue will have Imp. Sap. This frees up 7 talent points for Assassination/Combat Rogues who had to spec down Subtltey Lane just so they could do 5-mans (among other changes in the patch include: Poisons no longer having charges, Rogue's PvP insignia removing stuns, etc.).

Kommentar von 67010

As of patch 2.2 sapping will now flag your rogue if you sap a flagged person.

Kommentar von 67010

As of patch 2.2 sapping will now flag your rogue. If you sap a flagged person.

Kommentar von 67010

As of patch 2.2 sapping will now flag your rogue if you sap a flagged person.

Kommentar von 48190

Sap duration against PVP targets decreased to 10s as for 2.2.0 Patch.

Not a good deal here...

Kommentar von MasterOfDisguise

As of patch 2.4.0, Sap is no longer an Incapaciate effect, instead it is now a "Sap" effect.

Warriors can still use Berserkerwut to become immune to Sap.

Kommentar von 100107

I'm level 63 now and still discovering interesting uses for this ability. Sometimes I'm in a crowded area and need to get my health back. So I find a spot where only one mob is in aggro range, Sap it, sit down, eat, then stealth while eating.

Sap also allows you to move through mobs without aggroing them. Very useful in narrow corridors or other tight spaces.

If the Sapped target is far away enough from your combat target, you can often re-stealth after finishing with the combat target. This also works sometimes when picking herbs, mining ore, skinning mobs, and looting chests and bodies. The mechanics are still ambiguous, so I can't guarantee that mere distance or facing does the trick. Experiment with it and see what works best for you :)

Edit: I've found another use. When a mob is Sapped, you can change its facing with Distract. You won't see it physically turn, but its cone of awareness will shift to wherever Distract has landed. This can really help when you don't want the sapped target to be "aware" of your combat target. Although again, sometimes the mechanics are tricky, so I can't guarantee that it will work all the time.

Kommentar von 146819

With 2 points in the Dirty Tricks talent (https://www.wowhead.com/cata/spell=14094) Sap has a "10 yard range", but it "Requires melee weapon"?
Who uses a 30 foot weapon?!

Kommentar von Marat

Sweet now we can CC for 1 whole minute can't wait to try it out in Beta

Kommentar von Rarehunter

Still 10 secs in PvP though :/ but it works on Shammies in GW and Druids in Forms! Oh and hunter/warlock pets too but idk why you'd sap the pet when you can sap the master or some other player nearby.

Kommentar von cheesepizza

Would the demon be sapped for 1 min since it does not count as a pc?

Kommentar von 156183

you couldnt hammer on the lock if you plan on sapping the pet since any damage done to the lock would break the sap because 99% of pvping locks spec soul link

Kommentar von 86732

So only alliance can train this? Or do we have to all buy orb's of deception and hope that the trainer in SW doesn't notice?

Kommentar von 154897

Useful macro

#showtooltip Sap
/console SET targetNearestDistance 10
/targetenemy
/console SET targetNearestDistance 41
/cast sap

Saps yourtarget , but if u havent got target ,saps the nearst enemy

Kommentar von 51953

It seems odd to give an ability that you get at level 10, a completely new level of usefulness 61 levels later. Sapping beasts, demons, and dragonkin is useful far earlier than level 71.

Kommentar von cerin616

what i have been wondering is, If you were to sap a city guard, would it give off the alert that the town is under attack?

Kommentar von 234789

"Only works on Humanoids, Beasts, Demons and Dragonkin that are not in combat."

Get in combat to avoid being sapped.

Kommentar von Zmic

"Rogue keep sappin mah healer!"

Kommentar von Zmic

"Rogue keep sappin mah healer!"

Kommentar von 53437

Be careful!
The warrior can IMMUNE the SAP with using Berserker Rage!
Sap after the warrior is coming out from the Arena's Gate!

Kommentar von Delvara

Go tree druids! :/

Kommentar von 318387

ok can some1 tell me wtf sap is ? my point is what it means ? its s.a.p. from some words or it is just sap? it must be a verb :P damn only rogues just rogues :S what the rogue is suppose to do to the other guy and he mains still there like he lost hes brains lol

Kommentar von 340836

Only 3 of those 4 things are playable.. Perhaps the fourth is a small glimmer of hope of what is to come? Most likely not, but a player can dream...

I mean, just think about it. A class that can revert to its original form, which would be a Dragonkin in this case. I don't know about anyone else, but I definitely would be majorly pumped about a Dragonkin class. Just wishful thinking....

Kommentar von Ladadadada

I was wondering if anyone else can shed any light on this scenario: there are two stationary mobs facing each other (such as the pirates on the docks in Tanaris); you sap one and ambush the other. At the end of the fight, sometimes you can re-stealth and ambush the sapped target but sometimes the sapped target has you in combat and the best you can do is to walk around behind him and backstab.

I haven't yet figured out what causes a sapped target to sometimes see me and sometimes not. The targets are nearly always facing each other so it's unlikely to be the direction the sapped target is facing and I have done it at all sorts of different ranges and seen it work both ways. I have even finished the first fight and run right through the other mob before stealthing again.

You can tell when it happens because when you ambush the non-sapped target you will hear two yells of surprise as both mobs see you. If you only hear one, it means you will be able to re-stealth after the fight with the first one and ambush the second.

If anyone knows what is going on here I'd love to know about it.

Kommentar von 667752

how do i get improved sap so i restealth after using it?

Kommentar von 667752

how di i get improved sap so i can restealth right after

Kommentar von Lands

So it doesn't work against hunters?

Also cannot be cast on self by a rogue

HAHA IM SO FUNNY I SAYING SOME1 HAZ NO BRAIN

Kommentar von faliarin

Apparently with 4.0.1 basic sap no longer removes you from stealth whether you pass or fail at the attempt.
I use this as a preparation for launching my attack.
I move within 10 Yards, Sap the PvE mob and move around to the back and begin my assault.
This is now the first ability that helps you get into position an attack.

Kommentar von Garon132

I was leveling a third rogue a while back, found a very fun moment with this ability in a BG at level 48.

Scenario; I have the flag, no horde are chasing me so I don't blow sprint quite yet.
I see a warlock running to me from a distance, and I know he has a void walker so I wont be able to do much damage

I'm about at the part where the landscape changes. I stealth, dropping the flag, knowing there are no stealth targets on the opposing team.
The warlock pauses, and stares. He then runs towards the flag, most likely laughing at my stupidity.
I sap him before he reaches the flag, grab the flag, then pop sprint and run off.

Yes, I did cap the flag =)

Kommentar von 398789

Rogue sappin' mah sentry!

Kommentar von 449532

"Rogue keep sappin' mah totem!"

Kommentar von 493945

Hey guys, I think there's a *sapped*.

Kommentar von 714854

works on Humanoids, Beasts, Demons and Dragonkin

Kommentar von Suparockr

If in PvP you get this Debuff, just get ready to be poisoned, cheap shotted, gouged, backstabbed, etc. followed by being killed seconds after you break stun

Kommentar von Lohr

Sap is no longer placing the rogue in combat when he/she is visible and the target is sapped.

Kommentar von Furydeath

Anyone else having Sap getting removed randomly on mobs? I'll sap one guy kill his friend then out of no where the other just just drops sap not in combat or anything. guess I should just unglyph that kinda useless for me.

Kommentar von 338334

Abilities that used to trigger on hit, such as the AGI from Fließender Tod no longer trigger when Sap is used.

This means no standing on an enemy to sap them until you have a full buff stack.

Kommentar von FlayOnDarkIron

Imo, the tooltip should read:

Sap
Can't say no.
1 minute remaining.

Kommentar von 128740

The fun of sapping people in the Darkmoon Faire arena until they fight each other and picking off the loser...

Kommentar von gamedisciple

An excellent ability in PvP for the following:

Taking healers out of the fight (they often aren't in combat until after their target engages)
Forcing players to burn their Geerbtes Insigne der Horde or Geerbtes Insigne der Allianz (allowing for other types of crowd control or re-sapping)
Stopping flag runners in Kriegshymnenschlucht while your team arrives
Preventing flag captures in Arathibecken without breaking Verstohlenheit

Kommentar von gamedisciple

Hate the awful "I'm not close enough" noise when spamming Kopfnuss? Well worry no longer! Here's a macro that quietly targets any nearby enemy and then Kopfnusss them in blissful silence!

/targetenemy
/stopmacro
/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/cast Sap
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1

Kommentar von Gyrwym

If you sap a player over and over again each sap lasts shorter and they become immune eventually.

Kommentar von 126811

if a guy is mounted does he breaks his mounted aura when you sap him?

Kommentar von Thottbot

when u see 2 guys in a dunguen and ur all alone...try not to be...u can sap 1 and fight the other sweet if ur low lvled because u can run away heal and fight 1

Kommentar von Thottbot

I love sapping an enemy and then annoy him by dancing or taunting with /chicken :D

Kommentar von Thottbot

i agree lol

Kommentar von Thottbot

lol i luv imp sap u sap them and stay in stealth so they don't know what hit them

Kommentar von Thottbot

When solo, i found this abilty to be very useful. When you need to take out a grp of 2 humanoids, sap one, then kill the other. Rogues dps is high enough that you should be able to kill the one mob and heal and regain your energy before the mob wakes up.

Kommentar von Thottbot

I'll show a pic later on but sap is sweet in instances its the best because mostly theres about 3 in each group of monsters so sap 1 and kill the others with your group and with vanish powder you can vanish so sap one kill 1 and vanish them backstab or another strong killer spell hit them and they are like at low health!

Kommentar von Thottbot

1. Do distract (a bomb looking thing)
2. go behind your target WITHOUT going through anyone.
3. sap!

Kommentar von Thottbot

Subtlety rogues can get a talent that will give you a 90% chance to return to stealth after you sap. However,only 1 target may be sapped at a time

Kommentar von Thottbot

how can u sap with a sword/dagger? i mean wouldnt you need a blunt weapon for that? :p

hope blizz doesnt do what is said above ^

Kommentar von Thottbot

In the coming 2.1.0 patch rogues will gain the ability to remain stealthed while sapping without the investment of talent points in subiety spec.

I quote from the patch

Sap" now automatically gains the full benefit of "Improved Sap".

To see a list of the improvements of the patch
http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_2.1.0_%28Release_Notes%29

Kommentar von Thottbot

Players become immune to sap after about three or four saps. So you cannot just keep sapping someone in a duel.

Kommentar von Thottbot

got buffed :-) im kindoff glad as one of my alts i rogue- u always stay stealthed after sap, no matter the spec...the talent just increases the distance...

buffed instant poison too- removed charges

Kommentar von Thottbot

sap has become the ultimate 'pissoff' move since patch 2.1, i mean all u have to do is stealth around neutral cities and hit people you dont like with it, the guards wont do crap to you.

Kommentar von Thottbot

i love to use sap as a way to get my target to stand still for an Ambush...i don't have distraction just yet so this is perfect =D

Kommentar von Thottbot

Yep, Sap counts toward "weapon use". I was out pickpocketing just for the lolz and my weapon skill hopped up!

Kommentar von Thottbot

cool !

Kommentar von Thottbot

Sap is the best spell ever. U can just stealth and sap! The second best spell, well it's actually not a spell, but is dual-wielding.

Kommentar von Thottbot

yes :) i levelled my mace skill from 1-about 100 in just 3 minutes...the trick is to sap a few times (i have chosen lower lvl mobs too ;) 10 levels lower than me even) and i missed alot at the start-thats actually a very good thing because a miss will cost barely any energy...i am also subtlety specced so its only 32 energy wasted with sap ;) i hope blizz doesn't nerf sap-skill-gaining

Kommentar von Thottbot

When i sap i let the player who i sap just stay there for a while till about 5 sec till the sap wears off. I do this cuz they get impatient and get mad and might be easy fight as they are desperate.

Kommentar von Thottbot

I HATE this move!
as a lock 1 on 1 fights with rogues can be very very hard. the only way i could get out of this is to use my deathcoil.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Ah, true, but don't feel too bad. Every class has its counter- Warlocks have rogues, in my opinion, to keep them in check.

Ah, I miss the days where sap did not have diminishing returns... although I fully acknowledge and accept the fact that diminishing returns on sap are necessary. No diminishing returns? Just find an enemy faction player and sap him, letting your energy recharge. You can keep him there for a good hour if you're patient enough- That is, before the new patch. Now no one can do that- which is a relief. I don't want that to happen to me either.

Kommentar von Thottbot

This is the best PvE use that ive seen of Sap if say there are 2 defense at the flag in WSG and they are both twinks just sap em' and run for ur life tried this tactict in WSG got 3 flag captures in 2 games :P

Kommentar von Thottbot

im a lvl 4 orc rogue on a RP realm, and i love this move. its super great specially with iimp sap!

Story:

I was sapping boars one day when a gnome rogue came from no where and sapped me. I had put talents into stealth vision so i easily saw him. He also had a level 70 bud that came and sapped me. I uses my pvp trinket and got away from sap, stealthed and sprinted around a scorpid, the stupid level 70 got attacked by the scorpid, the 70 was a drenai rogue btw, he got poisoned and tried to enter stealth, but the scorpid attacked him out, the he launched is pet at me, but i luckily vanish and shadow stepped behing it and sapped it. I then used premed to clear the shadowstep and vanish CD, and i vanished and shadowstepped towards the gnome rogue, level 57, and stabbed him in the back using ambush, i easily took him to 1/27th health because i had a sick epic dagger, https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=2092/abgenutzter-dolch --- TEH ^&*!ZILLE. Anyway, he was crawling on the floor almost dead and i was about to backstab him to death when he popped deterance, he parried my backstab, then used coldsnap. I was like - "holy poo" he then iceblocked, blinked and deadly threw me. i was at 2/3 health and the drenais pet was almost done with sap, the 70 rogue was pounding me hard with shadowbolts btw. Anyway, the rogue that hit me with deadly throw was now running, i hit sprint and caught up with me, i hit him in the back, but he quickly used, Natures Swiftness + entangling roots. I was stopped in place, but i took out my bow, and deadly threw it at him. He took it hard and was stunned, by then my shadowstep was off CD, so i shadowstepped him and hit him with a pyroblast, crit for 7k. At that time i was at 1/3 health and the drenai rogue caught up with me, along with his pet. he launched his pet at me, but i quickly gouged it, and ran towards the drenai. I dropped a target quickly to distract the drenai. then i one point deadly threw the pet, it triggered ruthelessness, so i was spamming deadly throw and kited him to a lvl 6 boar. The pet grabbed aggro and was 2 shotted by the boar. I then vanished. The drenai was almost done with killing the target dummy. I shadowstep ambushed him for a 3k crit. He gouged me, but i vanished and cheap shotted him. i then shived himx5 for ful deadly poison, he also was given wound and mind numbing poison. i hit him for a 5 point envenom hitting him for 1352. he was at 1/6 health and tried using chain heal, rank 7 on himself. He got it off, also healing his critter pet, speedy from the orphan day event thing. he was at 40% health so i used execute on him. It wasnt enough to kill him so i used hammer of wrath to finish him off.

It was a great, long fight, and i knew i would never be able to do it without sap. So that's why i think sap is a good move.

The End

Kommentar von nervinv2

Two important things to remember in Classic:

Sap will take your out of stealth, unlike it does on retail. If you want to have a chance on staying in stealth, invest points in for an up to 90% chance to stay stealthed.
Sap only works on enemies not in combat, so if you want to sap one and a mage Verwandlung another from a group then coordinate with the mage, so you sap first, mage PMs next. Polymorphing starts the combat, but can be still cast while in combat.

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Kopfnuss

Kopfnuss

35 Energie	10 Meter Reichweite

Sofort

Macht ein Ziel bis zu 1 min lang handlungsunfähig. Muss im Verstohlenheitsmodus sein. Wirkt nur bei Humanoiden, Wildtieren, Dämonen und Drachkin, die sich nicht im Kampf befinden. Jeglicher erlittene Schaden lässt das Ziel wieder zu sich kommen. Es kann immer nur ein Ziel von der Fähigkeit 'Kopfnuss' betroffen sein.

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Zauberdetails

Dauer

1 Minute

Magieart

Physisch

Mechanik

Kopfnuss

Bannart

n/a

GCD-Kategorie

Normal

Kosten

35 Energie

Reichweite

10 Meter (Sehr kurz)

Zauberzeit

Sofort

Abklingzeit

n/a

GCD

1 sekunde

Gestalten

Verstohlenheit

Aura Proc-Chance

100%

Maximale Ziele

1 - Vorgabe

Effekt

Apply Aura: [Stun]
Wert: 1
PVP-Multiplikator: 1

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Ist Fähigkeit
Kann nicht verwendet werden, während Ihr gestaltverwandelt seid
Muss in Verstohlenheit sein
Waffe nicht wegstecken
Stoppt Autoangriff
Kann nicht ausgewichen, pariert oder geblockt werden
Beendet Verstohlenheitsmodus nicht
Das Ziel darf sich nicht im Kampf befinden
Generiert keine Bedrohung
Verhindert Anim
Macht bei verfehlen ignorieren
PvP-Aktivierung
Verwickelt das Ziel nicht in einen Kampf
Unterdrücke Waffen-Procs
Die Aura wirkt nur auf ein Ziel

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